Speaking of BYUtv, the NCAA has called an Aug. 22 summit to discuss collegiate
networks, according to CBSSports.com.Texas is the key guy the NCAA
wants to talk to concerning their soon to be launched Longhorn Network. CBS says
they havent confirmed it yet, but the summit may also include BYU, the Big Ten,
Notre Dame (who reportedly also wants to start their own network) and the
Mountain West.You dont have to be very smart to figure out that BYU
and BYUtv are way ahead of the curve in this network business. The college big
boys will be monitoring all that BYU and BYUtv does as an independent very
closely. I think the NCAA is very jittery looking at potential major
changes looming in 2014 when the Big 12, SEC and (iirc) Big 10 come up for new
TV deals. Once again BYU is the catalyst for change and breaking new ground.
They are once again the straw that stirs the college football drink and everyone
is paying attention to them as a result. I guess being a
"Pioneer" is just in their blood. Btw, Happy Pioneer Day!
@dh48"Utah's TV package will grow as the team is successful."Yeah, maybe they'll get some games on the Home Shopping Network too.
It's hilarious to see all the Utah fans change tunes now that they're finally
getting a TV deal of their own. It's equally ironic that their first game is on
a Thursday night.@Imacowman"Non-BYU sports fans do not
know BYU TV exists and will never find it"I get the feeling you
don't pay attention very well...the whole purpose of BYUtv is so that BYU fans
can see BYU broadcasting. If BYUtv was worried about competing head to head with
Versus, etc for the general sports fan then you'd see them advertising
nationally to raise awareness, which they're not doing. They have ESPN to handle
the national stuff.That's just the point, BYUtv doesn't care about
the general sports fan, they only care about BYU sports fans. I have family and
friends who live all the way up in Alaska and they get BYUtv in their basic
cable package and can now watch every BYU game on TV. Hopefully you'll
finally get it (but I'm not counting on it).
@westcoast1"I'd rather be a team in a prominent conference with a
shot at the Rose Bowl every year with the accompanying exposure that this
brings"Just ask Washington State fans, they're certainly living
the Pac10.2 high life. Nobody is buying it ute fan. Especially not
from a fanbase that has a history of disappearing during lean years (check out
attendance during the late 90's). Your fanbase just started getting a taste of
some success on a fairly regular basis. Now that taste becomes once a generation
or so. I hardly think many Ute fans will find that satisfactory.
Re: hedgehogSince you brought it up, the New Mexico Bowl scored a
1.8 in Nielsens, which factors to about 2.8 million households. In comparison,
the Las Vegas Bowl scored a 3.3 or 5.4 million households. So, what we learn is
that roughly 2.6 million more households watched Utah lay an egg versus those
that watched BYU trounce UTEP. Go ahead and pound your chest over that exposure!
I knew you'd have a qualifier though for not including the one positive bit of
national exposure that BYU football scored last year. How much do you want to
wager that more people saw BYU's victory over UTEP than saw any of BYU's games
on Versus or CBSC or even the Florida State ESPN game?
"BYU's landslide victory over UTEP in the New Mexico Bowl was on nationally
televised ESPN last year. Don't you just hate it when facts get in the way of a
good rant?"giantfan,I was doing you a favor by not
mentioning it. Though it was covered "nationally" no one saw it....do
I need to post the ratings? and how it compared with other dredge bowl games?
Yea, I didn't think so.Looks like your billions of bYu fans just
didn't seem to care enough to toon in...sad really.
sammyg, since you missed th point of my comment, I will use smaller words.
I did not say anything about national coverage. I said that such coveage does
not mean success. Norte Dame has has been independant for years with all of
their games broadcast on NBC. If they couldnt win it all, I have zero faith bYu
will.National coverage= national championship, history says no...
Just a thought here .....What would happen if BYU and Utah simply
stopped playing each other (I acknowledge it won't happen anytime soon).After a few years, the hatred would cease (at least lessen) and Ute fans
would kind-of root for BYU and vice versa. I know that right now, I would just
as soon see the 'U' go 0-12 and suffer (it would make BYU look better). But if
the two schools didn't play, I would probably watch some of their games and look
forward to a good season for the Utes.It's like Weber State. We
don't play them, but they are "in state" so I check the scores and see
how they do. I think the same would apply for the Utes. Not saying
it's what I'd like to see happen, rather just wonder how it would shake out if
it did.Good for Utah regarding the telecast(s). As an official
"old folk," I remember the days when the NCAA limited the number of
games you could have on television (it was like two or three). Prior to 1984, I
think I saw BYU play once on TV. Yay for all-games-televised.
ImaCaMan"Non-BYU sports fans do not know BYU TV exists and will
never find it..."10 of 12 BYU games will be on ESPN this year;
the Idaho State game on BYUtv and the pending Oregon State game (which could be
on ESPN, Fox, or BYUtv), are hardly a concern as far as exposure.BYU
games on BYUtv will probably be missed by the casual channel-surfing sportsfans,
but guaranteed, fans of opposing teams will find the game if they're one of the
60 million who have access to BYUtv. As word spreads of BYU games being
broadcast on BYUtv, so will casual viewership.
Re: ImaCaManYou may be right that non-BYU fans will have trouble
happening upon or finding BYUtv but that seems to be a moot poing since more
than half of BYU's games will be on ESPN this year. The average fan certainly
knows how to find that channel! What's even better is those that want to see BYU
play will certainly have access to each and every game all over the world (ESPN,
BYUtv, BYUtv app). Not something a Ute fan can reiterate in say California or
Ann Arbor Michigan!
hedgehog,BYU's landslide victory over UTEP in the New Mexico Bowl
was on nationally televised ESPN last year. Don't you just hate it when facts
get in the way of a good rant?
Sammyg said...byU "was still in the game in the second half for
a while" against TCU. LOLOh man! Can you really justify a 28
point loss? How was that exposure in Logan?Still rolling!
@pitt ute"It is so funny how many y fans are on this link. Are
these the same bYu fans who say they dont care about Utah?"You
think this is funny? Go look up any BYU article and you will be humored
considerably more by the shear volume of Ute fan comments respectively.Several of us care about ute fans, thus we try to help them through some
things. And of course several people just overlook facts all together.Here's a prime example, there are about 2 million local fans within the
reaches of the KJZZ tv signal. There's less than 10 out of state fans by fact of
the comments to this article.If you can't receive the tv signal and
watch the games then why comment on the story? Does tv coverage and viewership
determine national relevancy? Several BYU fans think so. Several Ute fans don't.
Thus the banter.The rivalry is deep and after having the PAC invite
rubbed into the faces of Cougar fans for so long the ability to comment on the
tv coverage is just another way to even the field.ESPN = national
coverageKJZZ = regional coverageESPN > KJZZGlad
This is exactly what I predicted would happen. Local station so local coverage.
But the truth of it is that 99% of ute fans live in Utah so most of them will
get to see the games. I am also willing to bet utah will make more money from
KJZZ than they did from the mtn. One of the problems with the mtn for BYU was
that BYU made alot more money from the local KSL broadcasts than they did from
the mtn. BYU took a huge hit in the wallet with the mtn contract, several
million dollars worth, and they did it for the good of the other schools in the
mwc who had no tv deals at all, locally or nationally. The truth is all of the
schools besides BYU, and maybe utah, made more oney from the mtn than ever
before so that is why they consistently voted agaisnt BYU having any outside
deal.Just one more reason BYU left those leeches behind. So this is good for utah and is actually a good example of why they need a
conference. This sort of deal is the best they can do on their own.
Non-BYU sports fans do not know BYU TV exists and will never find it, pending
their service even carries it. Versus, CBSC, as a sports fan I check them out
every Saturday. Having lived all over the country, outside of the Ward no one
cares about BYU or their TV station. They sure aren't going to go out of their
way to hunt down that staton to watch one of the many chump-of-the-week home
games BYU has scheduled. ha!
It is so funny how many y fans are on this link. Are these the same bYu fans who
say they dont care about Utah? I find it funny that all these zoobies think a
good TV deal will spell instant success. Notre Dame has had all of their games
nationally broadcast on NBC for years and they have an amazing history for their
program. But how many national championships have they won in the last 10 years?
If a team like ND with all their history, fans and great TV deal havent been
able to win the big one, what makes bYu think they will. Good luck in the
nothing bowl again bYu, we will be playing in yet another BCS game very soon.Go Utes!
@HedgehogThat's funny. BYU held TCU to 31 points and was
still in the game in the second half for a while. Your guys gave them 47.
BYU & games on TV = Nephites & Rameuptom.
@TJ: The story is about KJZZ covering the Utes locally where the majority of
fans are located. There are not many state colleges that have huge national
followings, or have all their games nationally broadcast.
hardcoreute;"KJZZ is better than BYUtv. Period End of Story
Final Stick a Fork in It.Anyone who says differently isn't a fan of true
sports, like I am!"What planet are you from? BYU goes to 60
Million homes. Kjazz goes to about 2 million. If your a fan living in Utah,
Kjazz is great. If not, your out of luck unless your a big fan of radio. TomahawkRedWhat you say is true but off point a bit. I wasn't
talking about who has the easier path. I simply stated that BYU could go to a
BCS bowl and Utah could be sitting home in December in reply to a anti-Y person.
BYU could even end up there with one loss if they are ranked high enough
and their loss is against a top 10 team. Not likely but possible if the
circumstances are right.
A very nice post by "More Mature Y Fan". The rivalry has certainly
seen things swing from one side to another. My grandfather used to tell me
stories of when the U so completely dominated the Y for 40 years or so that
there was talk of taking the Y off their schedule. USU was the only local
competition that the U had to get up for, along with Colorado. But things
change. Looking at the whole picture, I, too, think that this next
step is good for both the U and the Y. I also think that by going separate
ways, the bitterness and ugliness of the rivalry will soften and hopefully
become one where there can be mutual respect from both sides.
This is good news, and not unexpected. Hopefully HD cameras will be used which
is very different then just broadcasting on KJZZ HD. I have Comcast, that has
KJZZ HD, and every high school and college sporting event I have watched on KJZZ
HD has been without HD cameras... So the picture quality looked like The Mtn...
Does anyone know if HD cameras will be used? And when will KJZZ HD be available
on DISH and DIRECTV?
More Mature Y Fan...You live up to your screen name! Great post!I agree with your remarks 100%!!!
If anything it will make games a ton easier for local fans to see. It is hard
not having Jazz games on KJZZ because they used to be easy to watch on TV. Not
so much anymore.
Two things have forever changed the rivalry for the worse. Money and the
internet. In my days of fandom Utah wasn't the focus; the Holiday Bowl was.
Utah was a win virtually every year. I also remember the friendly
cooperation between Utah and BYU. BYU didn't have a place to practice in foul
weather so Utah allowed BYU to practice in Utah's dome. Today that wouldn't
happen because there is importance placed on recruiting and the dollars star
athletes bring to the school. Secondly is the behaviour of the fans on the
internet. It seems there is almost a competition to be a bigger fan from both
sides.The fact is that BYU signed an excellent TV contract that
appears to reflect the direction the First Presidency wants to go. Exposure
over monetary gain. Utah has no TV contract because it joins in the last year
of the PAC's current contract. That is the sacrifice they are making. BYU is
heading to a great journey as is Utah. Can't see the situation for what it is?
BYU gets greater exposure immediately. Utah sacrifices for a year then has a
splendid contract. In the end both schools win.
TJ,Of course all that is true. But one thing needs to be
clarified.To get to a BCS game, BYU will need to go undefeated...
period. A 1 or 2 loss BYU won't get in. But Utah can still get in with 1 or 2
losses.That's where our conference affiliation brings the most
value, and why us U fans believe we are in a better place than BYU is.
Bitterman (fitting name) ...If all of the utes games were on KJZZ,
you might have a point. Since they're not... you are a troll.Thanks for playing.
Good news for those in Utah.Some fun Saturdays coming up.
Why not sign a deal with a team that wins, recruits in-state kids, and has good
fan support: a.k.a. Utah State
Wow, both Utah and BYU will be on local free over-the-air digital HD television.
I'm glad to see that the schools are finally catching up to Utah State.
(grin)On another note, it's good to see sports back on KJZZ (ya
know, the reason LHM purchased the television station) after the Utah Jazz
abandoned their local fans for greed.
KJZZ is better than BYUtv. Period End of Story Final Stick a Fork in It.Anyone who says differently isn't a fan of true sports, like I am!
I'm happy there will be more Utah games available on tv this year! This is
great news for football fans in the state of Utah.
@ Rock...What? Was it something I said? The Utes have fans here in
Utah, right?I was just saying that the KJZZ distribution is adequate
for the Ute fans here in Utah.
I find the comparisons between TV exposure useless. I am comfortable as a Utah
fan saying that BYU has Utah licked as far as exposure and TV footprint (next
year and the year after as well) and KJZZ is less than ideal (especially if
Steve Brown is involved at all). Big deal. It does not bother me. BYU has a
larger fan base spread out over a larger region. Big deal. Are we as Utah fans
here to cheer for our team or rip on the other team? All I care about as a fan
is this . . . is my team winning? Is my team giving it their best effort and
leaving it all on the field? I cheer for my team and couldn't care any less
as a season ticket holder, I just hope they pick up some of the road games.
Arizona State, Oregon State, UCLA, and Washington don't have guaranteed national
TV deals. They have to win first. Utah is in the same boat. KJZZ is just a
back-up after MT ST. Congrats!
Last year I lost my job, my tickets, and my cable TV. I hung to the games with
ESPN Radio and KSL Radio (BYU Games) and ESPN gamecast online. Great to have
free TV football again.Although this year I am going to all of the Utah
games plus 2-3 road trips to make up for last year.
"But how did the 3 national games go last season?" and "It is pretty clear to see who is and is not relevant on the
National Stage."Jeffey,Let's tak a look at ol' bYu
National games last year..K?Air Force Versus LOSEFl. St
Versus LOSEUtah St ESPN LOSETCU Versus
LOSEAnd all four were blowouts.Thanks for playing
So lets see... BYU = 8yr contract with ESPN (World Wide Leader in
Sports) who will feature BYU 10 times next season.. Every game that is not on
ESPN will be shown on HD BYUtv. BYU is set up to receive anywhere from 9-12
million in the first year of Independence. Keep in mind BYU had an athletic
program running in the black already with the 1.2 million mtn. west payout.
Utah= 1 game on ESPN (thanks to BYU) 1 game on Vs. (thanks to USC)
and 1 game on FSN (FSN?) - Then Utah can also be seen on Kjzz. Which is
strictly regional. I guess the bright side is, Utah has 3 games on national TV.
But how did the 3 national games go last season? (47-7) (28-3) (26-3). I think
this years games on National TV will probably turn out about the same. Utah has
some serious ground to make up before catching up with even the bottom teams in
the PAC. It is pretty clear to see who is and is not relevant on
the National Stage. BYU > Utah
Sammy G and BYU/RSL fan, thanks for joining us. It is always good for a laugh
to read the threads regarding my Utes (even while in the Middle East) to find
without fail the petty thoughts of certain Y fans directed against my Utes.
Thanks for showing your support to the U of U which obvivously occupies way too
much of your time. WestCoast1 was right, Utah's position is far better than
BYU's anf only a reality challenged Y fan would see it differently.
Utah's TV package will grow as the team is successful. Both schools are
embarking on a new journey. Let's hope both enjoy tremendous success.GO Coug's, Good luck Utes!
westcoast. You have some good points but there are other considerations. BYU has
several "bowl" type games a year, nationally televised along with all
their other games. Every team has an uncertain future. Look as Washington,
Colorado and every other bottow third team in every conference, BCS included. IF
BYU does well enough, they will be in a BCS game at some time in the near
future. No guarantees, but that is possible. If Utah does bad enough, they could
be sitting at home during the bowl season. No guarantees for either is
there. Being a team in a prominent conference only takes you so far
doesn't it. Ask Washington State or Colorado if they wouldn't trade a bunch of
their affiliation money for a couple of good seasons and a BCS game. I am sure
that any sports fan with a knowledge of the national football landscape would
sammyg from Springville, UT:I'd rather be a team in a prominent
conference with a shot at the Rose Bowl every year with the accompanying
exposure that this brings, as opposed to a team with an uncertain future with no
guarantees other than a small bowl in Dallas overshadowed by the Cotton Bowl
each year. Any other sports fan with knowledge of the football landscape would
agree with me as well.
A one year bandaid for just a few games. No big deal. The big deal starts in
2012. I'm glad to get more of the loose ends tied up for this year of
KJZZ will be adequate for the Utes' target audience.
Shucks! It was sure fun gloating about ESPN and AM radio. I guess
I'll waste time now allowing the 'ute fan' to grow within me and watch a game or
two. A regional tv contract for a regional team, I like that.
I like it, due to the PAC still being under its pathetic old broadcasting rights
deal the possibility stands that a lot of games won't be nationally broadcast so
Utah sets up a one year deal with a local provider that will greatly benefit the
state. Just one more way the university of Utah is giving back to the community.
Next year when the new deal comes onto effect something like this will not be
possible. Love being a Ute fan!
@ TJ, My, aren't we a bit jumpy this morning, are we? But I can understand
where you're coming from, bro! Like you said, "...the ESPN horse is long
dead, buried, and decomposed." Here's hoping none of the airhead fans from
either side will start such nonsense as you referred to. I'm a huge Cougar fan
but I also love to see the Utes continue to be a great success and root for them
against all their opponents except BYU. Glad the Ute fans will be able to see
their team locally on TV. The future indeed is looking great for both programs,
but it won't mean a dang thing if they don't win. Go Cougs! Go Utes!
"TV" is most certainly not TV. Or have you learned nothing from the
sad and pitiful tale of the MTN? Market exposure, and the resulting revenue, is
very much the driving force behind the conference expansion that has become the
primary ammunition for the utes cries of "supremacy". But the good
news is that with one notable Ann Arbor exception KJAZZ should indeed cover and
serve the sum and total of the ute fan base. Rather than troll, this BYU fan
wishes to congratulate the utes on finding the perfect fit.
This is actually good news. I was nearly certain that the Montana State game
would not be televised (like the San Jose game last year).It doesn't
matter to me, since I will be at all of the Ute games this year. But it's nice
the rest of the fans can see it on TV.
I have mixed feelings here. Of course I am happy to be able to see my Utes play
on TV any time I can. But I would love them to have more national exposure.
Since I have young children, I cant make it to every game so I love having them
on locally. When I lived in Pittsburgh me and several Ute fans would get
together and watch games on Versus and others. As the program continues to
improve, the bigger TV deals will follow.Go Utes!!
Any channel > The Mtn.
For us non-Utah Utes, we'd like to see the U on ESPN a few times. Between
Versus, CBS College Sports, and the Mtn there were very few U games I couldn't
see. KJZZ isn't enough for a university trying to be a national power (or even
a regional power trying to get some exposure outside of the Great Basin). I
wish Hill & Co. could get us more exposure here in SoCal. After all, this
is where U'll be recruiting for football and basketball to match the PAC-12
talent level, so what can U do for us out-of-state tuition payers?
Y fan here, glad we can watch all Utah games, most likely now with this deal.
Love Coach Whit and Chow. Wish them every success this year. If they are great
this year they'll be snapped up by Fox, if not, KJZZ works for me. It will be at
least as good as BYU TV and probably Utes will earn some extra cash and who
doesn't need that. I'm an old PAC-8 and Cal season ticket holder that
appreciates a great college football game. Both schools better start recruiting
players and assistant coaches. Next, upgrade all athletic programs starting with
football and basketball. Hope we all succeed.
TV is TV. As long as we can get it locally, life is good for Ute fans. I will be
watching them.And Y "fans" \ U trollers. Shut up about
comparing to ESPN. That horse is dead buried and decomposed.