Sweet, it will be fun to play USU annually.Enter Hedgehog......
I wonder why USU signs a contract that has them playing in Provo four years out
of five. Utah signs a contract that has them once in slc and once in logan.
So no one will call the Utes too big headed to play the Aggies anymore?? I
think not. At least the AD wasn't too big headed to schedule a 2 for 1 =P
BYU gets 2 for 1, Utah doesn't. Hmmmm....can someone say ESPN?
@ unwhollyThey likely signed for the paycheck. Romney stadium
doesn't hold many paying fans. (It does sell out for BYU, however, but there
are a whole lot more seats generating revenue in Provo.)
@ taciturn...BYU...ESPN....Logan likes to be a part of
Both BYU and Utah have political entanglements whether they like it or not that
require them to visit Logan. In the case of BYU their athletic department has
been able to use the attendance and stadium capacity issue to their advantage
for the past 3 decades which is why you havent seen a trait-up home and home
BYU/Utah State contract in over 30 years. Chances are BYU will be paying Utah
State for the second of the two straight games at LES for 2015 (Utah State will
get $500,000 for the 2012 visit to Provo for just a bus trip), and as bankrupt
as Utah State athletics is, they could use such a cash infusion. A Big-12
invitation for BYU could require this all to be rearranged on short order for
2013.Like other Cougar fans I dont like the idea of BYU playing in
Logan and like growing throngs of Ute fans feel that Utah State should just
realize if they want in-state rivalry games with the bigger in-state draws, they
better be willing to travel down Sardine Canyon to I-15 to Salt Lake City and
@Doctor J"...BYU...ESPN.... Logan likes to be a part of
that...who wouldn't???"As far as ESPN goes, Utah State is
already part of it. The WAC has a contract with ESPN through 2017.
There were lots of rumors that future schedule announcements would be made last
week at Media Day, but we only got some vague hints that a lot of things are
done or close to done, but they're not telling what they are yet. Then we get
Southern Miss yesterday (a good pickup) and Utah State today. This has all the
appearances of a slow trickle of announcements, possibly leading up to some more
announcements of marquis opponents. I'm excited to check the sports pages
@toosmartforyou & unwholly:Word has it Utah-AD Chris Hill will
not sign any new deals with Utah State that will send Utah up to Logan beyond
the 2014 date. If that basketball non-schedulincontroversyey is any indication
by mid-decade Utah State will even see fewer Logan visits by their bigger
in-state Wasatch Front rivals if ever in the revenue sports. Utah has big sums
of Pac-12 $$ coming in and BYU for now has fairly large sums of ESPN/own network
$$$ flowing in, and before mid-decade possibly Big-12 $$$. The only way for the
Aggies taccessss some of that is travel to SLC or Provo. RES will likely be
expanded to 60,000+ seats so why should either Utah or BYU travel to play at
Romney Stadium that barely seats 26,000? All the "traditionions" in
the world won't support that kind of a deal.
These annual football contests are terrific for these kids.
USU has been playing national programs on the road in exchange for big checks
for at least four decades. In this case, USU gets the big check without big
expenses. However, you've never seen Oklahoma in Logan.
Ho hum - this game is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. BYU needs to
move on and throw the old Oqure bucket in the trash can once and for all.
BYU does not appear to be worried about filling Nov game dates. This is a game
that could have been moved to Nov if it was needed to fill in games.
Every top team needs stat padding games.Last years BYU/USU game was
an aberration.BYU should easily dominate the Aggies.Go
@ FYI...USU gets on ESPN when they play Auburn & BYU!BYU gets on
ESPN when they play.
Great to see the schools playing each other for the state championship.I'm just surprised U are playing them on Thursdays. hh said this wouldn't
happen and that U would only play on Saturdays. Everytime hh tells me to
"mark it down", the opposite seems to happen.Now maybe U
can admit also . . . there's a place for Thursday and Friday games.
@ SLC BYU FANI'm not advocating BYU go to Logan; I was just
explaining why USU goes to Provo. Remember that to be the head coach at USU you
have to be mediocre and throw in a win against an in-state team every 6 or so
years. Win too many games and a better program hires you away; lose too many
and the alumni insist you get fired. And when you suddenly win the in-state
game (once about every 6 years) immediately pronounce it a "heated
rivalry" so the university students who were in junior high school the last
time you won will really think you've arrived. That's the formula for keeping
the job in Logan. That, and just smiling when your former employer (UTAH)
refuses to play you because they have nothing to win and everything to lose, in
their view, so they won't bother with such trivial opponents from now on.Also, who just got regional jet service to Denver via Frontier? (HINT:
It wasn't Logan but a place closer to SLC that has two universities next to it.)
I'm glad to see the series continue! Personally, I love the in-state rivalries.
BYU doesn't schedule Utah State because USU is a quality opponent; BYU schedules
USU because they are in-state and it is fun for Utahns. This game isn't for the
exposure, it's for the state of Utah.
This does it for me! Such arrogance, such hypocracy! BYU claiming
to want to continue plying USU in football (on their terms - 2 home games for
one.) Then express their goal, as an independent, to win the hypothetical Utah
State championship - of course to do so they must have an unfair playing field.
Before the Y has demanded Utah State give up a home basketball game
for them to play at the Energy Solutions Arena (Delta Center). Also, in the
past, the Y has demanded the two for one advantage to keep playing USU in
football. Once again they have shown their true darker side. Since
our the conference alignment, I have advocated playing BYU and USU on
alternating years. Now that Utah as signed a four year deal with Utah State
(equal home field games) I plead to the U to not schedule the Y for those same
years. Stick up for our brothers to the North while sticking it to our brothers
to the South.
This a perfect fit for the Y, two more non AQ conference teams for a team that
will never qualify for a BCS bowl as an indy.
This slot should have been used to schedule a team East of the Mississippi.
Playing the Aggies every year does nothing for BYU. I'm puzzled by all the
people who think we should be constantly helping USU...
With Gary anderson at the helm, that Utah State team is improving. They would
have had a much better record last year if not for injuries. It kind of bothers
me that Utah and BYU (utah in basketball) seek 2 for 1 deals with Utah state.
Just man up and play them. Utah State in 2013, will not be the
pushovers of yesteryear. There is a VERY good chance that Utah state takes more
games from BYU and Utah than many of us would think.
Who am I sir;hahahahahahahahaha! I am a USU grad and fan and I see
no problem with the schedule. 1. USU needs money. They get a bunch more if
they come to Provo.2. USU gets ESPN exposure when they play BYU3.
BYU is scheduling some 2(away) for 1(home) series with some very good teams and
needs more home games to even it out for a few years. USU obliged.4. USU
hasn't been good in football for 20 years. BYU could schedule a stronger team
for their strength of schedule but they continue to schedule USU every year. 5. The Basketball game in Energy solutions arena allowed twice the number of
fans to attend the game. Playing in the 9500 seat spectrum would have left many
fans wishing they had tickets. Do you think anyone at Utah that has
anything to do with Ute scheduling even reads yours or any one else's DN posts?
@TJ You made some good points, some things I hadn't considered.
thanks for the post!
I loved the part of the article that said that BYU officials tackeled Gary
Anderson, put him in a hammer lock nearly tearing his arm off at which time
enduring unspeakable pain Gary succomed to BYU's unrighteous demands.Come on - no one forced USU into this schedule. It has monetary advantages to
a team that not that long ago was being talked of as on the brink of loosing D-1
status. Gary Anderson is a good coach and USU doesn't have to accept anything
that does not have mutual advantages for them. You have to find a better way to
fund a college athletics program than to increase tuition and fees to students.
What exactly am I missing here?BYU agrees to 2 for 1's with big name
schools all the time and its not questioned. Of course not, because thats what
BYU has to do to play these schools. BYU understands this and it doesnt make
these big name school arrogant or disrepectful in the least.On the
other hand, BYU is the school getting a 2 for 1 with a Utah St and all of sudden
this type of thing is arrogant and its treating USU like a second class school.
Sorry but the differences in prorams between a school like Texas and
BYU are the exact same difference that you have with BYU and USU. If not moreso.
Its not arrogance, its the truth. BYU is trying to prove they
deserve 1 for 1's with big name schools. USU knows they have to prove they same
thing when it comes to playing BYU, hence they agree to a 2 for 1 with BYU.
Totally agree. USU is doing it for the money. Also, maybe this will even
things out when BYU went to USU (in basketball) 4/5 years in the early 2000's.
Also, this works out well for BYU as far as winning these games.
Heaps will be a senior in 2013, as will so many of this new team we have. Then
more games at home where USU hasn't won since the 70's. I like this new
arrangement. Should make this one-sided rivalry more interesting. Hopefully
aggie fans can learn to be more mature when this series ends and stop being like
everyone else and thinking BYU is their rival when they are not. BYU has one
rival. USU needs to find a rival where the opposite side actually gives a hoot
about them...try Idaho for starters.
Given BYU and Utah's success in recent years in Logan, I can understand why BYU
doesn't want to play there and Utah doesn't mind heading up there every other
Well BYU gets a 2-1 with Utah State and Utah gets 2-2. Is there really any doubt
who the top program in the state is (BYU), and who the worst is (USU)?At least Utah State has a really good chance of competing in the new WAC for
once starting next year given all of the good teams the WAC has are leaving.
Why is everyone so against in state games? USU needs all the help they can get,
much like Utah needed all the help they could get back in the 80's and 90's when
BYU carried them along. Look how that worked out for Utah? It's true, Utah State
is the little brother and needs help. Why can't both bigger programs help out by
getting them more exposure? Sure last year was a fluke for BYU losing in Logan.
Coach Anderson is doing a great job and needs a little more help before Utah
State starts making another name for themselves. As for Utah dodging USU in
basketball is nothing less than being humiliated by USU every time they play.
How can the little brother beat us every time? In state games are the funnest
games every year for the in state kids that play for each team and the fans.
Keep it going and if that means 2 for 1's at the Y, I'm fine with that. Go Aggies!
I just hope that BYU is able to win these games. These games don't really help
BYU's credibility as an Independent. I see it as quick fix so BYU can focus on
scheduling the bigger games. I hope we can put usu back in its
rightful place in this rivalry. It has been hard enduring the ridicule from
Utah and USU that comes with a loss to little brother.
I like having BYU play USU every year. I'm fine with having it a 2 for 1 and I
would be fine with it being a 1 for 1. Whatever Tom Holmoe feels like he needs
to do to make it work with the rest of their schedule. I would like to see USU
improve and become a good team every year and if this helps them do that then I
am glad.On the otherhand it wouldn't bother me one bit to quit
playing utah. I'm not opposed to playing them but I really wouldn't miss it if
BYU didn't play them. In my opnion utah is going to be a very mediocre pac10
team with only occasional success so playing BYU is going to be much more
important to them than it will be for BYU. Utah is going to need to at least be
even with BYU head to head to continue to compete for instate recruits since the
allure of 6-6 and 7-5 seasons is not going to get any recruits excited. They can
only do that if they actually play the game. We'll see if BYU is still
interested after the next couple.
"In my opnion utah is going to be a very mediocre pac10 team with only
occasional success so playing BYU is going to be much more important to them
than it will be for BYU. Utah is going to need to at least be even with BYU head
to head to continue to compete for instate recruits since the allure of 6-6 and
7-5 seasons is not going to get any recruits excited. They can only do that if
they actually play the game. We'll see if BYU is still interested after the next
couple"a credible, and unbiased opinion if ever there was one.
"Utah is going to need to at least be even with BYU head to head to
continue to compete for instate recruits"Ducky,You
need to change the word compete to DOMINATE.Last year Utah took 4
of the top 5 instate players. Currently this year Utah has the 3rd, 6th, 7th..
and soon (Zach Lindsay) the 9th best instate talent.Currently bYu
has no top 10 instate talent for the 2012 class.
@ who am I?Man, you should have been in the negotiations with AD
Holmoe instead of USU's AD Barnes. You would've taken Holmoe to the woodshed in
those negotiations! You're a genius! I don't know why you're not an AD
yourself. You're wasting so much of your time and talents here on these BYU
boards when it's obvious (from your handle) that you're such a U homer! It is
what it is. No use crying over spilled milk... especially when you don't have a
horse in the race!@ wedgie,Lindsay going to the U will
be big, but that's only if he gets his academics in order. As of right now he's
an academic non-qualifier. So if he does get to the the U it won't be until
2014 at the soonest. So that really won't count in the U's recruiting stats
this next year. Who cares about recruiting stars anyway? It's what you do on
the field that matters. And why are you bringing up U recruits on a y article
about scheduling with USU? Inferiority complex, much?
Looks like big brother has more cachet in Cache Valley than little brother.
@Chris BryantIt's just my opinion but if you look at the pac10 you
can see that with the exception of USC every other team in the conference is
mediocre most of the time with only occasional seasons where they are top
quality. A couple of years ago Cal was pretty good, now they aren't.
A few years ago Oregon was merely mediocre but now they are good. Same with
Stanford. The Arizona schools are up and down, more down than up, Oregon st. was
ok for 3-4 years and is now back to mediocre.You can disagree with
me as to how utah will perform every year but you'd be alot more credible if you
actually put a little thought into what I wrote before throwing a fit about
it.Do you think utah is going to be a consistent 10 win team in that
conference? I think most reasonable people think they'll be just like most of
the other programs with most years being 6, 7, 8, wins and an occasional 5 win
or 10 win year. If they can consistently win 8 games I think utah fans should be
Go Aggies. Smoke them again.
Duckhunter | 12:36 p.m. July 21, 2011 Highland, UT "Do
you think utah is going to be a consistent 10 win team in that
conference?"Probably not. However, 8-4 in a BCS conference
will be much more satisfying than 9-3, 10-2 playing 6 WAC schools and
non-conference games including Utah and Oregon State which, by your words are
mediocre teams. Assuming that you include UCF as a mediocre team, that leaves
TCU, Texas and Ole Miss on BYU's schedule that are teams that will provide
worthy competition.Way to schedule "up".
Ldsfan | 12:44 p.m. July 21, 2011 South Jordan, UT The only
reason that USU "smoked" us last year was because we were cheated.
Our boys were not well coached (not Bronco's fault) and they didn't try (not
Bronco's fault either). He has replaced the coaches that cost us that game (not
his fault for hiring them in the first place).
@CarnakSo it looks like we're in agreement. That being the case I
have no idea why you and Chris Bryant are making an issue out of it. Could it be
you just don't like to see it in writing from a BYU fan? I'm not sure why that
matters, things are what they are regardless of who points it out.
Now let's hope that your team can actually live up to your expectations. In the
BCS era, they have never been there. Good luck with that WAC schedule.
Duckhunter,I don't mind your prediction. I am hardly throwing a fit
over it. My point is that you are known to be a Ute-pessimist. You are always
going to give a "glass half empty" perspective. And then you start
acting like a drama-queen. Utah will never "need" BYU. I can't think
of any reason why they would. Its just to poke at people who have a complex
I can't believe anyone would be proud of BYU doing this to Utah State. USU
negotiated for them with the WAC, stood by them, and turned down an opportunity
to the MWC to help them. Then BYU demands a 2 for 1. That's the thanks they get.
My hat's off to Chris Hill for showing some class.
DuckhunterEspn has a list of the "bottom 10" during football
season. I recomend you get to know this list because half the y's schedule is
made up of these teams. Sure you are playing some other competitive programs but
over all the schedule for the forseable future is very uneven especially at
home. The Utes on the other hand are in an extremely competitive Pac 12. If the
Utes do as you say, they will still go to a much better bowl game than an 11-1
BYU team. Even when BYU schedules 5 wins a year like they have done the BCS is
much further away for BYU than it has ever been. You can not "Hawaii"
your way into a BCS game any more.
@Chris BryantBut of course you got all bent out of shape about it or
you wouldn't have replied the way you did. And I'm not a "ute
pessimist" at all, I am a ute REALIST which is something sorely lacking in
utah fandom and therefor it gets utah fans all bent whenever I state my
opinion.The truth is this, Utah has had two great seasons in its
entire history, both of them have come in the last 7 years. They were great
years and I've never denied it or denigrated them. Utah is also now in the
pac10, an enviable place to be, good for them. Utah is not a national power,
utah is not the national brand BYU is, utah is not consistently ranked nor has
it ever won very many conference championships let alone a National
Championship. utah doesn't have a single national award winner in football. In
short utah is a good program presently with almost no history of success and
even during these last 7 years has been pretty mediocre other than those 2 great
years.Nothing about utah's program leads me to believe they will
ever be more than occasionally good. That's all.
Duckhunter,amusing response. You say that you are a
"realist" and then you say that the five years in the last seven that
were not BCS years were "mediocre". Over those five years, Utah
44-20, a winning percentage of 69%. They were 4-1 in bowl games. They were
also 2-3 against BYU, and did not win a conference championship. All in all, not
great, but not mediocre. If that is "mediocre", then most college
football programs would love to be "mediocre". You don't exactly
paint an accurate picture. It doesn't bother me, just pointing out your
complex. If it makes you feel better to assume that I am "out of
shape" over you, you give yourself far too much credit. Another amusing point is that you did not defend your statement that somehow
Utah will "need" BYU. "need" them how?
Who am I sir? | 10:59 p.m. July 20, 2011 Cottonwood Heights, UT By
the way BYU is still playing USU home and homes, what happen to the Utes, oh
yeah there scared.
bigsoccer | 3:11 p.m. July 21, 2011 Syracuse, UT But remember,
Utah still has Blechen. Burton, on the other hand, is in the NFL.
Utah will continue to play Utah State when the political heat comes down on them
from the legislature for not continuing the basketball series. BYU continues to
play Utah State becasue they will get the political heat from the USU alumni who
are high ranking General Authorities in the LDS Church. Ever notice how BYU
quickly went through two athletic directors when they couldn't work out a
schedule with the Aggies between 1995 & 2005? Utah Stte has enough plants
in the State Capitol and LDS Church headquarters to get them what they need from
their bigger in-state rivals!
1984 for life | 3:28 p.m. July 21, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Do
you just follow Bigsoccer around, do you have a crush on them, its true though,
Utah isn't big enough to get a 2 for 1 at home, so they still have to home and
home with USU.
A two for one series might be the best financial deal for both teams. Do we know
how much the Aggies will get for playing two games at BYU (where Aggie fans are
plentiful). Cougar fans, we should be grateful to the Aggies for giving us that
extra home game. We are in the same position with ND, Texas and any other
premier team in college football and so will have plenty of home games to fill.
The Utes probably will never ever face the silly policy (but financially sound)
of 2 fer 1 but will start demanding it from some lesser teams even though they
may not need to. Hopefully, in 5 more years the Aggies will improve so much that
they can win the Utah Championship and move into a BCS Conference. Get to the
level of the Basketball team and you'll start getting some of the better players
wanting to play at your beautiful campus. I tutored my neighbor's boy in Algebra
and he's off to be an Aggie. Treat him well. Thanks for helping the Cougars now.
It won't be forgotten and hopefully never repeated.
@Chris BryantI told you why utah needs the game with BYU more than
BYU does. In my opinion utah will seldom win more than 8 games in a season and
even 8 wins will not be a regular occurence. I think they'll win 6-7 games most
years with the occasional better year and the occasional worse year. That is
pretty standard for most of the pac10 teams that aren't usc.I do not
expect them to be as bad as wsu or sink to the depths ucla currently resides in
but you never know. Right now there is an understandable euphoria
over going to the pac10, that has resulted in a good number of instate recruits
wanting to be part of it and utah has benefitted from that. However, once the 6
and 7 win years settle in as the standard that euphoria will subside and in
order for utah to keep getting an equal number of instate recruits they need to
beat BYU on at least an equal basis. And yes utah's other 5 years
were mediocre. Only once did they even win 10 games and that season ended badly.
No one was happy with it.
Utehaterforlife | 4:24 p.m. July 21, 2011 Syracuse, UT Nice
meeting your other screen name soccermom. I can tell it is you by the excellent
Dear Gonefishn,Okay I'll bite. Indeed the lower half of the schedule
for the next few years and maybe forever might be the dregs of the barrel. It's
the upper half that will determine how BYU finishes. Playing Idaho, Idaho State,
Utah State, San Jose State and New Mexico State will fill our stadium and
coffers while we negotiate with Conf USA, Big East and ACC for better games in
the Oct through Nov months. Someday we hope to have a schedule like the Utes,
but today is not that day. Expect to hear more exciting news over the next two
years as we play these lesser ranked schools enjoy the paydays that they'll
receive helping our program succeed. This will give us a couple more years to
ramp up the quality and depth of our players. The Utes don't have two years to
ramp up because my favorite teams from Arizona and California want to beat you
down now. Welcome to my childhood conference and I wish you well. Now throw this
old carp back in the water and I'll be on my way to San Jose.
1984 for life | 4:44 p.m. July 21, 2011 Salt Lake City, UTUtehaterforlife | 4:24 p.m. July 21, 2011 Syracuse, UT Nice
meeting your other screen name soccermom. I can tell it is you by the excellent
grammer.-----1984 for life:If you're going to
resort to gramm(e)r smack, you miiiight want to spell everything right.
Utah could be anywhere from 3-9 to 12-2 (winning the PAC playoff and the Rose
Bowl) next year. I suspect they will be about the same as last year
but the South is weak with USC on probation. And Utah has demonstrated in the
past they can win big games. You can't count them out if they luck into the PAC
playoff. Utah could get better later in the year as they get the new
offense down and the new players get experience. However, most teams struggle
the first year they switch offenses. There is also a question of depth. The PAC
is a war of attrition.
@ Tommy2ShoesNever is a long time.However, I can't
remember a BYU fan admiting BYU will play "weak schedules", maybe
forever...Your candor is refreshing.The schedule WILL
improve as the AD has more time to develop a scheduling relationship with teams
worthy of BYU's goal of a National Championship.This years schedule
has Texas, UCF and TCU as quality opponents.Mississippi has become
the Vanderbuilt of the SEC West.BYU fans have pretty much dismissed
Utah and Oregon State as quality teams (Big mistake, in both cases).Utah State, San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho, and New Mexico State came to
the rescue for Tom Holmoe, but unfortunately represent some of the weakest
football programs in college football.Hawaii MIGHT be a tough game
for BYU, not because they are any good, but because they hate BYU and the game
is at Hawaii.Anbody that would tutor a neighbor's kid, in Algebra,
no less, is a great example for all of us.Thanks for being a great
What are the chances of BYU on the Nevada schedule in 2012? Are the Cougars
still looking for games since it is Independent?
I think the U of U should bag playing football with BYU and USU. It would be OK
to play basketball because there are more games. But, I think the U should
elevate their thinking from now on because they are in the big time now,
thankfully. Utah should be, hopefully courting football relationships with BCS
conference schools.......Big East, Big 10, SEC etc.... Let BYU have some
"glory" for a change.......the coveted "Beehive Boot" is the
only "hardware" they'll bring home ever again.......man O man?
@DuckhunterI can see your point, but I disagree with it. Sure, Utah
will probably win 6-8 games per year on average. They will have occasional
seasons of higher and occasional seasons of lower win totals. The euphoria will
wear off if they are only winning 6-7 games. But I think there will
be enough 8-9 and even 10 win seasons to keep the excitement for the program up.
In reality, its impossible to say that Utah will struggle or Utah will succeed.
Far too many unknowns. We make our predictions based off what we like to see.
I like Utah, so I give them the benefit of the doubt. I still don't
see how going 44-20, TWO seasons (2009, 2010) of double digit wins, and 4-1 in
bowl games counts as "mediocre" but again, if that's mediocre in your
book, the vast majority of programs would love to be mediocre. You referring to
it as mediocre just proves my point......
Here is my take on the 2-for-1 series with USU: I don't like it. BYU should
treat their in-state rivals as equals. I know USU has not been terribly
competitive in the rivalry for the last 30+ years, but they did beat us last
year and the Aggies are showing signs of improvement in their program with Gary
Anderson at the helm. Having said that, I can understand why Holmoe would try to
get a 2-for-1 agreement with USU at this juncture because BYU has had to sign
2-for-1 deals with big name programs like Texas and Notre Dame, so he needs to
balance out the home schedule over the next few years until BYU can start
getting home-and-home matchups with the big name programs.
@Chris BryantAs I said, I do not think utah will be a bottom feeder,
Kyle is too good a coach for that, but 6-8 wins a year is where I think they
will average. The truth is expecting any more than that would be unrealistic.
However the trend with the better pac10 teams is that they win 7-8 games on
average but every few years they have a great team that goes 10-2 or 11-1 and if
Utah can be one of those better teams that has that great season every 5-6 years
then they should be fine.As far as mediocre goes Utah has records of
7-5, 8-5, 9-4, during that span as well as the great 13-0 and two 10-3 records.
They finished 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 3rd and 2nd in the MWC during that time and
were ranked in all the final polls two times. Maybe "mediocre" is to
strong a word overall, even though some of those seasons were definately
mediocre, how about 'better than average'? That probably fits better.
@Duckhunterabsolutely agree with everything you said.
BYU is in such a precarious position. If Notre Dame gets on the phone to
schedule something....it happens. They, really are the only legitimate indy
team. They have a network contract and every game they play is #1 priority every
week in our country. BYU is so not popular. Look at what happened????? They got
dissed by everyone.......very sad, but they deserved such a calamity. Honestly,
the last half of BYU's schedule in the next few years is a joke. I don't, like
the rest of the world, wanna watch the worst Div 1 teams in the country play
BYU? BYU will slaughter them.....nobody wants to see that. The ESPN contract
will be gone sooner than later...... as there are only about 2 million BYU fans,
at best, that will watch. The games against decent teams will be viewed by a
gazillion people......hoping that BYU gets crushed.
@FYI"As far as ESPN goes, Utah State is already part of it. The
WAC has a contract with ESPN through 2017."And the Pac10.2 has
a deal with ESPN, but Utah gets exactly 0 Pac10.2 games on ESPN this year!Hmmm.....Independence anyone?! ESPN 4 Life!
I dont see why UofU wont come to Logan at all in Basketball, UofU is the distant
3rd best program in the state. USU can get USC to come to Logan, but UofU is all
of a sudden too good for it? USC > UofU.
dartstock1"What are the chances of BYU on the Nevada schedule
in 2012? Are the Cougars still looking for games since it is Independent?"
Probably not very good after Nevada and Fresno State reneged on the
WAC deal, but that could change in the future.------------mgr63"I think the U of U should bag playing football with BYU
and USU."The BYU-Utah rivalry is much more important to the
Utah fanbase than it is to the BYU fanbase. Most of Utah's fanbase (90% of Utah
students) is from Utah and much of it consists of "Utah fans" who are
really just BYU haters. Without the rivalry, those BYU-hating "Utah
fans" would have very little reason to remain "Utah fans".On the other hand, much of BYU's fanbase (2/3's of BYU students) is from
outside of Utah, and many of those fans are hardly aware of the BYU-Utah
rivalry.Utah would be foolish to stop scheduling BYU, because in
down years, BYU fans help fill RES at least once every other year.
The bottom line is that without a conference, BYU can't get good teams to come
to Provo unless they offer them 2 for 1 deals. Since BYU fans demand a certain
number of home games, BYU used their leverage to stick it to USU with a 2 for 1.
USU can't afford not to play the cougars right now so they deal. Utah on the
other hand has guaranteed home games each year with quality opponents, so they
are willing to play USU on the road as a way to essentially give their fans an
additional home game (for which they will likely spend less money on tickets
than the will at RE stadium) that counts as a road win should they be
victorious. All in all I don't think that this is an indication that BYU is
gaining ground over the U, if anything it shows some of the negative aspects of
the Cougars' current predicament. And as always USU gets the short end of the
stick. Nothing new to the Aggies. I personally don't mind driving to Provo for
a chance to see my team beat the Cougs.