Loa said in the letter, "Or if Matheson decides to run, Chaffetz then
splits the Republican vote assuring another liberal Democrat in the
Senate." She apparently doesn't under stand the nominating system. If
Chaffetz decides to run the Republicans will select one of them at the party
convention or in a primary. If Matheson decides to run for senate
(or governor), it would be because he may not believe that he could be
re-elected after the re-districting is done. Mathenson's chances of beating
either Hatch or Chaffetz would be very close to zero. His only chance would be
a "Bill Orton" which means that both Hatch and Chaffetz got so dirty
that republican said a pox on both of you and voted for Matheson. Bill Orton a democrat, was elected as representative to the very republican
3rd District back in the 80s after both republicans by their campaigns turned
off even the republicans. Orton served well, until he was hung out to try by the
Clinton Administration over the designation of the Grand Staircase National
Monument. This was the only reason Chris Cannon was ever elected.
=====@LDS Liberal: if not Hatch because he has an R behind his name,
then who should we all vote for? Who is your candidate for Senate
that we should all get behind? Dare you even put forth something of an argument
for something or are you just in to tearing down those you hate?Also, it's interesting to note that you, MormonDem and all the other Liberal
Mormons are nowhere to be found on the article regarding Mormons being called a
cult.Are you not able to step up and defend the religion you claim
membership in? Or does your silence really tell us what we already know?
Absolutely right.Hatch should stay.At home.
BTW, Loa Don Glade, Hatch should honor his committment to the voters of 1976,
and step down already.To correct a potentially misunderstood
statement in my earlier posting. Glade did not suggest that senators should be
seated for life. It is inferred from the comments. I would remind Glade that
senators are reviewed every six years for a reason, to allow their record to be
examined and for them to be replaced if their constituaency feels it necessary.
Many of us feel that it is necessary.
That Mike Richards and Esquire agree on anything is significant. That they agree
on the overlength incumbency of Orrin Hatch indicates an understanding that
Hatch nis not the conservative people in Utah think he is.Glade is
wrong on many fronts, but one of them is that Senators are not seated of life as
Supreme Court justices. They are elected every six years to allow differing
positions to be vetted and sustained. Hatch is not a conservative
Republican. He might once have been, but he has morphed considerably over the
last 24 years. Just because he is LDS, does not make him a conservative, and the
potential for such as a sitting chair of the finace committee is absurd.Hatch promised, those disagreeing notwithstanding, not to serve longer
than the 18 years for which he chastised Frank Moss. Once he got his
"fix" he quickly reversed himself.He is no longer the
"lion of the senate" he was once thought to be.I received
a formal invitation from within my "ward" to a meeting to reelect
Hatch. I will not be attending.
' Is going to require drug tests for Seniors for Social Security?' - ugottabkidn
| 6:56 p.m. July 20, 2011 Supported: *'Hatch proposes
drug testing for welfare, unemployment recipients' - KSL News - 06/16/10 "We should not be giving cash to people who basically are going to
go and blow it on drugs and not take care of their own children." - Sen.
Orrin Hatch ugottabkidn, best post on this story by far.
Sen. Byrd comes to mind, standing and shaking (literally) his constitution
booklet while he tried to speak. I felt sorry for W. Virginia every time he
spoke. As Hatch said some 30+ years ago, its time for new blood.
Chaffetz vs Hatch. That ought to be enough reason to vote for the democratic
candidate regardless of who wins the republican primary. Hatch
has been there too long. Chaffetz is a phony conservative.
Example: he opposes saving the more than 3 billion that would be saved by
eliminating Saturday mail delivery since some of his big campaign contributors
find Saturday delivery a nice convenience. Never mind what would be good for
the country-- just what helps Chaffetz election, for whatever office.
re: freedomingood,The "freedom to destroy a life" is
"sacred" to you isn't it? Who else is given that freedom? Can a
judge give an execution order, even if he personally saw a murder committed,
even if he was 100% certain of the identity of the killer, before that
"killer" had a trial? It is called "due process". Everyone
gets "due process" except an unborn baby. The mother can
go to the abortionist and tell him to abort her baby. That baby has no due
process. That baby is not represented by a lawyer. Its life is sucked out of
that mother, never mind the fact that if it had been left alone, it would have
soon become a baby outside the womb.Mr. Hatch does not endorse
killing unborn babies. Yes, he is getting old, but he has not lost his morals
and he has not abandoned his principles. Life to him is precious.If
it comes down to voting from an "old geezer" and voting for someone
whose party believes in abortion, I will campaign for Mr. Hatch and I will vote
for Mr. Hatch!I do not accept abortion on demand and I never will.
Why should I care if Hatch becomes the Finance Committee Chairman? Is he going
to send Utah more money? As he sees it I am overpaid in my job and don't deserve
benefits. Is going to require drug tests for Seniors for Social Security?
You know why god gave women the ability to give birth? Because he knew men
couldn't handle it. Decribing a pro-choice candidate and being in favor of
abortion is like saying a pro gun candidate is pro murder. After all what are
guns for?Not infringing on a freedom is not the same as endorsing
what one does with that freedom. I would think "conservatives" could
Well, isn't that interesting? Mr. LDS Liberal would rather that we vote for
someone whose party platform endorses the aborting of babies over someone like
Mr. Hatch. If Mr. Hatch were to somehow win the Primary and
actually appear on the ballot for the general election, you can be sure that I
would never vote for a Democrat or for any other candidate whose PARTY tells us
that it is perfectly acceptable to abort babies even if Mr. LDS Liberal demands
that we accept the "law". When they have no respect for the unborn,
their next target is the aged. Oh, wait, Mr. Obama has already thrown the aged
and the Vets under the bus. He told us that he could not guarantee that he
would send out Social Security checks or checks to the Vets. Just
let him try to play a round of golf or try to fly around the country on Air
Force ONE campaigning if he stops payments to our seniors and our Vets. That WILL cost him the election!
It's 4:00 p.m. so it must be shift-change at the Deseret News when the moderator
lets LDS Liberal violate every rule that the rest of us have to abide by.
Nothing changes except the date.
Mike Richards | 7:17 a.m. July 20, 2011 South Jordan, Utah Mr. Hatch
is 76 years old. ============== Nice rant.So
then....why do you keep voting for him?Don't tell me, it's because
of the (R) next to his name.Smeller 's the feller....
I cannot imagine any set of circumstances that would cause me to vote for Orrin
Hatch. He simply must go.
Hatch should stay home, far away from Washington DC.
What a pathetic figure is Sen. Hatch as he tries to pander to the T Party types
who are now squealing about paying their debts. The original Tea Party was
against paying illegal taxes. The current Tea party is the opposite -- they just
don't want to pay their debts! My dad called people like that
hatch is only conservative the last 18 months of each term.matheson,
while not as liberal as some, would further BO's destructive agenda and keep
clown prince harry as majority leader were he elected to the senate.
I agree with letter. Hatch is a national treasure who does his homework above
and beyond what is expected. He will have the opportunity to head the budge
committee which hasn't had a conservative leading it for a long time
(obviously).Chaffetz is a good guy, but very young and a bit naive
and brash. He didn't seem to have the good sense to know not to tell off-color
jokes at a delegate dinner I attended. No one laughed. But he means well.
He's a strong conservative and former football player.The House of
Representatives is meant to change frequently to keep the voice of the people
fresh. The House of Senate is meant to have experienced leaders in there.
Admittedly, a lot of them should be voted out. But Hatch is not one of them.As for Matheson, he is a "blue dog democrat." And he has
voted conservative for a number of things, but not all. It takes him a while to
understand the issues. But if he stays right-centrist, he may continue to be a
good voice for Utah.
Hatch should go.
Andy,I'm also a State Delegate, and one of the silliest things of
Hatch's whole re-election campaign this time is my having to wonder if you're
one of the lucky paid social media brigade amongst rank and file GOP precinct
leaders that Hatch's campaign has been semi-transparently paying $2500 a month
to simply troll Facebook and online news sites and make positive remarks about
his record.Probably not, and so consequently I'd invite you to take
a look at the kind of votes and rhetoric Hatch has supported on his way to being
a "leader" in various committees. I'm not a huge Chaffetz fan either
(in fact I keep hoping the GOP candidate pool will open up a bit more with some
better choices) but Chaffetz already has a better record on many key issues
where Hatch parrots Bennet's worn-out lines:"Well I couldn't
vote that way *yet*" (after more than 30 years of preparation)
"because party leadership still wasn't in line with the higher ideals you
are talking about" . . . blah blah blah -- that represents a *lack* of
leadership capability. Maybe that *was* the way things working in his day, but
we have better choices now.
Hatch has taken so many natural supplements over the years that he could live to
be 100! I am guessing however that they were provided to him (and then some)
for free for his work keeping them from being regulated by the FDA.
I'm a republican delegate and I'm not so sure Hatch should go.I
voted against Bennett because he was on the banking committee when Wall Street
was going crazy, he is a sophisticated business man who understands CDO's etc
and he should have better headed those who warned him against the collapse.
Basically he was fired for not doing his job.I don't have any such
beef with Hatch, and I don't like Chaffetz. That guys is a snake oil
salesman.I'll see who else runs and keep an open mind as to who to
vote for, assuming I'm re-delegated,
Hatch a liberal? Hardly.
It is time for someone that truly believes in and votes in accordance with the
Constitution. Hatch is not that man. It is time for him to go!!!
All of these arguments seem to go against what Hatch was arguing when he ran
against Frank Moss.
Mr. Hatch is 76 years old. How many people who are 76 years old hold a position
like Mr. Hatch? People retire at 65 for a reason. Their bodies wear out.
Their ability to think clearly diminishes.I'm in the computer
business. I have written massive programs, hundreds of thousands of lines long.
When I was younger, I could keep all parts of those massive programs in my mind
at the same time and quickly and efficiently write viable code. Now, I use two
screens on my computer. If the code isn't on those screens, it doesn't exist as
far as my mind is concerned.Not everyone ages the same way or at the
same rate, but just listen to Mr. Hatch in a radio interview. Anyone can tell
that he already struggles to answer questions coherently. It will only get
worse. A Senator's term is six years. He will be 84 in 2018. Do we really think that he is so valuable that NOT ONE PERSON in Utah
can handle the job of Senator other than Mr. Hatch?
History shows that if Hatch was committee chairman, the Finance Committee would
have a big spender as chairman. Chaffetz would surely continue the Republican
tradition of talking about spending cuts, then voting for spending on GOP pet
programs. In either case, I would like to think that Utah could do better than
either of these lifetime politicians, but my expectations are not high on this
This letter is wrong on many counts:1. Chaffetz would not split the
Republican vote in the general election, as his fight with Hatch would take
place in the primary.2. Chaffetz's commitment in the House of
Representatives is for two years only, as that is the maximum term for any
representative.3. Matheson is not a liberal Democrat. Far from it. Ever
heard of the blue dogs?4. Hatch would head the finance committee only if
Republicans gain the majority in the Senate.5. Being head of the finance
committee provides no benefit specific to Utah.Certainly Hatch
should go. But replacing him with Chaffetz would not improve the Senate, the
nation, nor Utah. It's unfortunate that the Republicans can't come up with any
Hatch conservative? Disagree. Matheson liberal? Disagree. Matheson is more in the middle, a centrist which is what our country needs
right now. Hatch, on the other hand, is far tooliberal, more than Matheson.