I can pretty much guarantee I am the only one who thinks this but every year I
hold out hope that somehow wedgie has gained some IQ points and alas he makes a
comment and blows that theory right up to the land of unicorns and rainbows. But
no matter, I guess BYU should load up their schedule with Montana State,
Wazzoooo, UCLA, Colorado, Cal. PHEW! what a mean schedule that would be.
I thought this Independence was going to bring in nationally competitive schools
to play BYU. Next thing I know is DNews talking about Southern Miss and USU?
Wow.Where are the schools of the caliber that BYU claims they are?
I hope your right Uteology and TCU overlooks BYU like they did in 2006. Now
that Robert Anae is gone Utah and TCU will not be shown the plays before we run
them. Should make the games much more interesting for Kilani Sitake and Dick
Bumpas. Both of these D coordinators knew exactly what was going to be run by
our formations. I'm excited for both of these match ups now that Anae is gone.
gchrisThe point is this: Every team has "cupcakes" on
their schedule, including Utah, which in the future will probably be regarded by
fellow PAC12 members as the "cupcake" on their schedules.------------You mean like how TCU sees BYU on their 2011 schedule?
That Idaho State @ BYU game is interesting because it's on BYU TV. That means
Idaho State is not just "playing for the money", they're playing for
BYU's money. Instead of getting a check from ESPN for broadcast rights, they'll
get a check from BYU."Every team has cupcakes on their
schedule".1280 pondered what a typical BYU schedule would look like.
About 3 major teams, 3 or 4 mid-majors, the rest cupcakes. Looking at 2012-2015
the schedule is pretty much Texas, Boise State, Utah, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech.
Those are probably the marquee games. Fans can expect mostly cupcake teams to
fill out the next 3 years.
@What Now?The point is this: Every team has "cupcakes" on
their schedule, including Utah, which in the future will probably be regarded by
fellow PAC12 members as the "cupcake" on their schedules. BYU will
have to balance their schedule, just as Notre Dame does (no, I'm not saying BYU
is Notre Dame)and play some teams who might not be as competetive but need a BYU
game for the money and their own exposure. Southern Mississippi is not one of
those teams, just as Central Florida is not one of those teams this year. Utah
will have its hands full competing in the PAC12 conference year in and year out
and should worry less about what BYU is doing. The BYU game might be the biggest
game on their schedule (from the comments of their fans) but as BYU grows its
program, the Utah game will become less important to them. I think I'll go make
a pan of cupcakes.
Wish they'd come out and play UNC...
@gchris"Montana State" = cupcake?Montana State
has defeated Idaho State 12 out of the last 15 years.Idaho State @
BYU 10/22/11.Rankings:BYU "Cupcakes"Utah State 104San Jose State 113Idaho 103New Mexico State 119Utah "Cupcakes" (re: your
comment)Arizona State 28Cal 54Washington St. 85Colorado 76BYU plays 4 of the
worst 17 teams in college football in 2011.Idaho State is 3 and 33 over
the last three years.Want to see a "Cupcake" schedule?Check out BYU Football 2011.
@NightOwlAmerica "Nationally ranked teams will be part of Utah's schedule
every year." And yet, ironically, there are none on their
schedule so far this year. Granted, that will change, as it always does, but it
is rather humorous that the two PAC 12 schools in the 2011 preseason top 25
(Oregon and Stanford) are not on Utah's schedule this year.Sidenote:
BYU has 1 preseason top 25 team on their schedule (TCU, #14), but playing a
schedule with the likes of Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, UCF, Oregon State, and Hawaii
that, too, will likely change.@NightOwlAmerica "BYU's
recruiting footprint will not change or improve hardly at all." Nice crystal ball there. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. It
is encouraging to note, however, that we already have two recruits this year
from the state of Florida, which is more than we've had from that state in the
past 3 recruiting classes combined.But, again, time will tell if
your statement proves true or not. I, for one, am inclined to disagree with you
Southern Miss is a decent opponent, they arent a powerhouse by any means but
still a solid team. Anyone who expects BYU or any team in the country for that
matter to schedule tough opponents every week is being unrealistic. Even the top
BCS conference teams have lesser opponents on their schedule, some schedule
nothing but cupcakes for their non-conference schedule. What BYU is doing is
putting together well-balanced schedules for the future. They have a good mix of
top quality opponents as well as solid opponents mixed in. And there are a few
cupcakes but like I said nearly every team has a few cupcakes on their schedule.
The only teams that dont are of course the cupcakes themselves who struggle
against every team they play.
Come on people!BYU's recruiting footprint will not change or improve
hardly at all. The already get a recruit from here and there around the country.
The majority of which come from the western U.S. Go back at look up BYU's player
history. You are competing against every other D 1 football program in the
country. Get real.
Portland Trail Blazers said:"One more thing...Miami
(the real "U" university), Notre Dame, Texas, Florida St., Penn State,
Georgia Tech, USC, Washington, Cal, have all have or will be coming to BYU, or
in your words, the land of unicorns and rainbows.So if BYU can get
those guys to come to BYU,and Utah cannot, what does that make Utah/Rice-Eccles
stadium? The land of _______ (fill in the blank)."One other
thing.... Nationally ranked teams will be part of Utah's schedule
every year. They are in a BCS conference now that has ranked teams all the time.
@Dutchman"But you are exaggerating a bit to say that BYU's
recruiting footprint covers the entire nation, aren't you?"No.
@ Johnson 72 Want to see a cupcake schedule? How about Montana St.,
Arizona State, Cal., Washington State, Colorado. Oh, Utah does have one tough
opponent on September 17. Can't wait for that one. Building a schedule as an
independent will take time and effort, but Holmoe is doing a good job. Southern
Miss would probably beat most of the teams on Utah's cupcake schedule, including
Still no comment from Hedge...priceless
Laser,"Week after week the most popular and most read articles
are about BYU"One of the most popular articles about BYU this
week is about the critically injured BYU students getting treatment in the burn
center at the University of Utah. It just goes to show that from time to time
we can all come together for the common good even if it means some BYU students
have to find their way to the University of Utah hospital. I hope they recover
fully but I know they are being treated by some of the best medical people in
Johnson72, I'll give you points for cleverness, which is part of the purpose of
posting here for you, isn't it? For accuracy you get a zero, but since when has
that mattered. The Idahos and New Mexico States are necessary filler on a quick
change of direction, but Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, etc. are the meat of
the schedule. Every schedule has cupcakes, but the real nutrition comes
elsewhere. It looks like BYU is doing fine.
@ DutchmanUhhhh...You are talking ND and I am talking BYU. Apples
and Oranges. People respect BYU MUCH more than you would think. I know I lived
in Oklahoma for 15 years and was a big OU fan. Just look at the number of kids
who respect the Honor Code who are not even LDS. By pointing a some who do not
like the HC does not mean that everyone doesn't like it."Mark
it down", BYU will be gaining lots and lots of positive attention in the
coming years and will leave the u in the dust!
I think I'm going to have a much harder time teaching my kid how to make
cupcakes than byu's cupcake scheudle coming up.
Duckhunter,From the list of states that you mentioned I am sure
Utah's recruiting footprint comes pretty close to being the same size. But you
are exaggerating a bit to say that BYU's recruiting footprint covers the entire
nation, aren't you?
@Dutchman" Most kids want to stay relatively close to home thus
BYU's recruiting footprint will stay pretty much where it has been and where it
is now."Uh Dutchman....BYU just got committments from two
players from Florida, multiple players from California and are probably going to
get a committment from a kid from S. Carolina here in the next few months. That
doesn't count the kids they currently have from Texas, Alabama, Indiana,
Florida, Illinois, Hawaii, Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, California, Arizona, Colorado,
and basicly every single other western state.In otherwords BYU's
recruiting footprint already covers the entire nation and the numbers of
recruits from outside the west are increasing already.Does utah have
a "recruiting footprint" that geographically large?
Hedgie,Do you ever tire of commenting on BYU boards, only to be
proven wrong over and over and over again?
Weird that 2014 now has more opponents penciled in that 2013 does. Not even the
Utah game has a set date in 2013. Colorado and Colorado State have their
rivalry dates set through 2020. They should lock that down, unless Utah is
looking at that one year BYU, next year USU rotation.
Howard S., "And the best they can do is Southern Miss.?"No, the best they can do are Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech -- other former
National Champions, like BYU. Like other National Champions who've voluntarily
come to BYU, like USC, and National Championship Contenders like Washington and
Miami (defending National Champion) who came to BYU and got their butts kicked.
Hey HedgeHog,So if the Big12 offers BYU to join, you know for a
fact that the stipulations you stated in your comment earlier will happen huh?
(eye roll)I think this is what you are hoping for, another
conference showing religious intolerence to a private (LDS) school.I
think I now know where your coming from....
defibman,"With greater and greater exposure, BYU will be
bringing in great players from all over the country."That sure
has worked well for Notre Dame hasn't it? They have had access to kids from all
over the country and have yet to win a BCS bowl game. Most kids want to stay
relatively close to home thus BYU's recruiting footprint will stay pretty much
where it has been and where it is now.
I like this series. Hopefully we are ready to play well since 2013 will be the
lasy year of Heaps and Co.
*Let us know when ALL these teams show up (obviously USC, UCLA, and AZ will be
coming) UCLA has been "recently" but the rest, not a chance
hedgehog | 8:34 a.m. July 20, 2011 Ann Arbor, MIHmmmm, a 1 for 1
with a Conference USA team??I thought holmoe was going swing the
massive "brand" hammer on these low non AQ conferences.Interesting. Even with the ESPN "free money" given out to any
takers, playing in Provo is still a very hard sell.------Since
Ute fans claim that the cutoff for recent and ancient history is 2004, here are
the teams that have visited Provo since then:USC, UCLA, Arizona,
Boston College, ND, Florida State. Future schedules include GA Tech,
ND, Texas. Girlse St is also coming to town, but "since they a
bunch of cheerleaders lol," you probably won't count that one.Oh and the NC2010Utes (per Zane Taylor) will be at LES in a couple months.I'd say it's not that hard of a sell.Let us know when these
teams show up to RES. We'll be waiting with baited breath.
If and I mean "IF" the Big 12 ever entertains the notion of inviting
the kewgs, they would come in as a second tier program. Texas would never put
up with all the high maintnance demands of bYu.bYu would not get
equal pay as Texas.bYu would be forced to play on Sunday.bYu would
not be allowed access to all content for bYutv.Just reality folks.
This agreement with Southern Miss shows we shouldn't have Oct. and Nov.
scheduling problems, their statement shows that:"We have shown over
our history that we like to play quality non-conference opponents and, by
signing a home-and-home series with BYU, this is another example of that
philosophy in our scheduling,"
Hmmmm, a 1 for 1 with a Conference USA team??I thought holmoe was
going swing the massive "brand" hammer on these low non AQ
conferences.Interesting. Even with the ESPN "free money"
given out to any takers, playing in Provo is still a very hard sell.
SLC BYU Fan,Does that mean that Notre Dame is on board to join the
BIG 12-2(?), because Texas AD DeLoss Dodds is on record stating that the
conference will not expand without Notre Dame. Just wondering if your
information has AD Holmoe and AD Dodds getting a positive nod from Notre Dame to
Oh my goodness! So. Miss?
(L) South Carolina 13-41 (W) Prairie View A&M (FCS) 34-7(W)
Kansas 31-16(W) Louisiana Tech 13-12(W) Marshall 41-16(L) East
Carolina 43-44(W) Memphis 41-19(L) UAB 49-50(W) Tulane
46-30(W) UCF 31-21(W) Houston 59-41(L) Tulsa 50-56(L)
Louisville 28-31These teams are right on par with BYU so it should
be another close game for both teams.
One things for sure playnig Idaho State is better than playing utah.
Week after week the most popular and most read articles are about BYU. Kudo's to
cougar fans who really care and a big thanks to ute fans who read BYU articles
first thing each morning and pretend not to care.All reporters and
newspapers know, if you want readership, write about BYU.
Not only are they a good team, but can you imagine the recruiting possibilities
this will bring? With greater and greater exposure, BYU will be bringing in
great players from all over the country.But then again we could just
go for those wonderful athletes from Montana, or try to recruit athletes away
from USC, Stanford and the like to play in RES. LOL!
KY and Vandy are about as good as MI the last 3 years.
Well hedgehog 3/4 of the PAC is worst then the teams you mentioned, utah
Southern Mississippi's Strength Of Schedule was 97 out of 120 and they still had
five losses. Say what you will, but losing to this team would be like losing to
Utah State. (oops sorry) See for yourself: (L) South Carolina 13-41
(W) Prairie View A&M (FCS) 34-7(W) Kansas 31-16(W)
Louisiana Tech 13-12(W) Marshall 41-16(L) East Carolina 43-44(W) Memphis 41-19(L) UAB 49-50(W) Tulane 46-30(W) UCF
31-21(W) Houston 59-41(L) Tulsa 50-56(L) Louisville 28-31
BYU is on ESPN 10 times...
Southern Mississippi's football stadium holds 33,000.It should
easily be filled for the BYU game.Southern Mississippi:has won 9 games twice in the last 10 years.has had 10 consecutive
winning seasons.played in bowl games 9 out of the last 10
seasons.0 and 9 against SEC teams over the last 10 seasons (did not
play SEC in 2009).6 and 6 against teams from other BCS Conferences
in the last 10 seasons.What, at first glance (Conference USA etc.),
appears to be two winnable games, could easily end up a win, at Provo and a
loss, at Hattiesburg.All the makings of a potential "trap"
game, especially at Hattiesburg.Go Cougars!
Howard:This just in: Georgia Tech is in the ACC! Your long nightmare
of a wait is over.
This one game (Southern Mississippi) being firmed up for 2014-2015 tells me the
Big-12 by 2013 is a very real possibility for BYU. Holmoe will need some good
mid-major home and homes by then and I think he is discussing schedules by
contingency at this point at the advice and possible consent of Texas and Big-12
commissioner Dan Beebe. I think Texas went ahead and did the contract for
2013/2014 on the basis that BYU just might be a league member by then and it
will move under the league schedule. Typically a program committed to true
independence will have 9-10 games for 2013 firmed up by this point.
Uh howie....Georgia Tech is in the ACC. Home and home. LOL!
StrikerYou must have forgotten about your scintillating future
schedule of New Mexico State, San Jose State, Idaho, Idaho State.Hey, but the upside is that with Boise on the schedule too, BYU may be the
Idaho state runner up.Nebraska... the ACC? yeah right we'll keep
waiting... and if they do call it will be 2-for-1s.Oh, and we'll
also keep waiting for that call from the Big 12... and waiting... and waiting...
UU32 is exactly right. BYU needs a mix of top teams and then some solid teams.
So. Miss is a solid team. It is a winnable game and if BYU wins it is a
respectable win. BYU shouldn't, and won't, play only elite teams. They need a
good mix and this is a good mix. It also contributes to their goal of playing in
different parts of the country. This is a really good game to schedule, well
done Tom. Also nice analysis of it UU32.
Howard S.,That's right, you got it! They are playing one of the
better teams in a decent conference. You already missed deals he announced with
Texas, Notre Dame, Boise State, Mississippi, Georgia Tech, Hawai'i, etc. Just
one more quiver too add to their collection. Aren't you glad they aren't
scheduling teams like Montana teams? Man, that would be lame. Gee, keep up
with BYU news a bit more will ya? Maybe you should check back to BYU blogs 10
times instead of 5 times a day so you aren't missing the news!Look
for more announcements about Nebraska and ACC teams etc.
According to Tom and Bronco the phones are ringing off the hook with teams that
want to play BYU... And the best they can do is Southern Miss.?
hedgehog,We must look good in your rearview mirror -- you can't take
your eyes off of us!Have fun watching the games!
I believe we'll continue to see more additions like this, to fill up the middle
part of our schedule. By 2013 or 2014, I think we'll have a schedule that is
comparable to AQ conferences, excluding the SEC.I'd much rather play
a solid C-USA opponent like So Miss or UCF than one of the bottom teams in an AQ
conference like Washington St or Colorado.Some U trolls like to brag
about their record against AQ conference teams, but their recent games include a
lot of teams like Louisville (2X) and Iowa St. So Miss is at a much better team
than these type of programs. Most preseason polls have So Miss in
the 40 - 55 range, which is the same range as Oregon State, Cal, and Arizona.
All indications are that So Miss will continue to perform comparable
to a middle team in an AQ conference.Great addition to the schedule,
and more proof that we are going to be able to have a solid schedule going
forward. Go Cougs!
DD JayMario "I'd like to see a home and home scheduled with
Southern California..."If you weren't a Utah troll, you'd know
that BYU had a home-and-home with the Trojans just a few years ago.And, BYU will be hosting Notre Dame and Texas in the near future, something
the PAC 12 Utes will never be able to pull off with that cute little stadium on
Good scheduling pickup for BYU. I like it. The Screaming Eagles are usually a
physical team and play hard.
If this is not a Nov. game then holmoe has failed big time.
Despite the jealous rants from the kids on the hill, Holmoe is putting together
a solid schedule for future years. A good mixture of teams like Texas, Boise
State, and Notre Dame, mixed with teams like Hawaii and Southern Miss is just
the type of schedule you want -- challenging, but not unreasonably so.
Great team to play! Teams in the South are getting a chance to see BYU play in
person. I've never been so excited about seeing BYU schedule teams. Wish we
could see the beat down BYU put on them in Provo on BYUTV.
hedgie,One more thing...Miami (the real "U"
university), Notre Dame, Texas, Florida St., Penn State, Georgia Tech, USC,
Washington, Cal, have all have or will be coming to BYU, or in your words, the
land of unicorns and rainbows.So if BYU can get those guys to come
to BYU,and Utah cannot, what does that make Utah/Rice-Eccles stadium? The land
of _______ (fill in the blank).
Wake me up when Utah actually accomplishes something in the land of unicorns and
I'd like to see a home and home scheduled with Southern California soon like our
red neighbors to the north. We'll have to settle for Southern Mississippi and
maybe College of Southern Idaho in the meantime.
This game will balance out the schedule- it's not upper echelon, but not
necessarily a gimme either.To detractors- It's always better to pad
your schedule than to be the pad!
Brett Farve -- "What can I say? He's no Steve Young."
They aren't ND or Texas... but they'll probably do better than the Utes this
coming year. I say a pretty solid pick-up.
Southern Miss is an upgrade from Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado State, UNLV.
Certainly better than the Idaho and Idaho States of the world. Nice pick up by
Holmoe. This is the kind of game that will be crucial to BYU upgrading its
entire schedule and getting exposure throughout the country. It isn't a top tier
game like an Alabama, Auburn or Oregon, but you can't have a schedule full of
all top 20 teams. You need to play other games that will lighten the load while
still building the strength of schedule and credibility. This years schedule has
a good dose of top competition, but the bottom half of the schedule is too weak.
Scheduling Southern Miss types in the future rather than the bottom of the WAC
will be very helpful and neccessary.
Good points, Farid. And I would add that a win on a thursday or friday counts
every bit as much as a win on a saturday. Furthermore, poll voters are far more
likely to see a thursday or friday game that is televised than a saturday game
that isn't televised.
"Now if they can get Kentucky and Vandi they can claim all the dredges of
the SEC."The error in conference affiliation aside, The top
teams in the SEC play the dredges of the SEC every year. It works for them, and
all we ever hear about is how SEC teams have to play other SEC teams week in and
week out. What's wrong with BYU doing it? Similarly, Boise State has made it to
two BCS bowls by playing some of the the very same teams that will be on BYU's
schedule next year and the year after. It worked for Boise State. Why can't BYU
I don't get all the snarky comments about having to play on Thursday and Friday
nights. Thus far, it would seem that they are few and far between.But really, why wouldn't you want to have your team play on a weeknight, when
no one else is playing, on national TV, thereby freeing up your Saturdays for
other things. I'll agree that playing on Thursdays made BYU (and the
WAC & MWC) seem lesser when compared to the big conferences, but that was
more than a decade ago and most top-20 teams have since played a mid-week game.
To my Ute friends: why wouldn't you rather play on a Thursday night
on a national network as opposed to playing on a Saturday on a regional network?
Granted you can watch either, but these days it is all about exposure, and ESPN
Not a Texas or Notre Dame, but still it's good to balance the schedules for 2014
and 2015 with a fairly strong team like S.Miss. to ensure that BYU doesn't have
too many cupcakes on its schedule for those years, such as Utah.
2014? Shouldn't BYU be part of the Big 12 by then?
"Now if they can get Kentucky and Vandi they can claim all the dredges of
the SEC."Well, wedgie, thanks for acknowledging that the mighty
BcS conferences pad their schedules with the weaklings of their own
conferences.Guess what: If Utah doesn't perform well the first
couple years, they will be super-glued to the bottom of the PAC. They'll find
athletes would rather play and succeed at a top tier MWC team, like Utah was,
than get their heads beat in at a bottom-of-the-heap PAC club, and the PAC cache
will not matter.Do I believe Utah will be successful? As long as
Whitt is the coach. Do I think Max was right? Mostly, no, but
some, like you, validate his view every day...
"Your sports acumen is showing again, Southern Miss is in Confrence
USA"MacNasty,I was wrong, you are right. It's not a
SEC team but a Conference USA team...........LOL!
Conference USA is the next step down from the MWC. They tend to be a solid team
comparable to an Air Force in the CUSA. I agree that we should all
celebrate with ice cream. It will be out of this world and I certainly cannot
wait to see it on Thursday night on KBYU or the world leader.
So. Miss. is not in the SEC, but they are "perty" good. This is exciting for me and my family. It's great that BYU is planning on
playing all over the country. Now I have to decide whether to hit up the
creamery before or after my broom hockey game.
Solid opponent, its a good thing for byu to pick up the middle of the sec teams.
This calls for a trip to the BYU creamery! My momma is from MS.
I'm pretty sure we'll be planning a trip back to MS to watch the Cougs. All I
can say is that I wish it were sooner. Didn't Bertt Farve play at
Hedge Hog,Your sports acumen is showing again, Southern Miss is in
Confrence USA and have been bowling for the last nine years. Shall we now talk
about the present and future dredges of the PAC, hum?
Another solid opponent. They went 8-5 last year including the 31-28 loss to
Louisville in the beef o brady's bowl. 3 of the other losses were between 1 and
5 points. A better team than I first thought they would be. Can't wait for
Now if they can get Kentucky and Vandi they can claim all the dredges of the
SEC.Wake me up when AL,FL,LSU,GA,AU come to the land of unicorns and