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Published: Monday, July 18 2011 12:12 a.m. MDT

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JWDixonizer
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I don't think it iss appropriate for clergy to be sharing what people, even the deceased, share with them without express permission. Similarly, I don't think it's appropriate for journalists and publications to *seek* such stories where no permission exists. Unethical on both parts.

scotsman
Logan, UT

@ JWDixonier

The deceased asked Mr. Bradshaw to let people know he was remorseful. How else is he supposed to do so unless through some sort of media. A very sad story but not because express permission was missing.

ER in EUR
Belgrade, Serbia

Geez, PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE before commenting. Gardner asked that the Bishop share it in an appropriate way that may have an impact on other persons that if by hearing it or reading it they might make a change that could avoid anything like what Gardner did, or the pain he caused. It was mentioned several times. I know the atricle is long and you may not like to read, but unless you read it please refrain from commenting.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

He did have Gardner's express permission and encouragement to share it publicly. Why do people write without carefully reading first?

hask
Chino Hills, CA

@JWDixonizer

Did you read the news article? Here is a quote from the story: "He gave me permission to use my notes and our conversations in any way I think might be of value to someone."

AS for me, I found the story to be riveting. I am inspired by the idea that even the worst people can change. My sister was incarcerated in Draper for many years, and I saw tremendous changes in her.

WPLyon
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

Mr. Gardner apparently made it pretty clear to Bishop Bradshaw that he wanted his story told for many reasons. Being an old bishop I respect privacy and those things that are never shared, but in this matter with RLG it is much different and I appreciate Bp. Bradshaw and Mr. Robinson for putting it in the newspaper. Thank you Bishop Bradshaw!

EnglishAlan
Rugeley, Staffs

JWDixoniser, I would agree totally with you. If you read the article completely, you will see that Mr Gardner did give express permission. As an ex LDS Bishop of two terms, I heard things that I will carry to my grave, and would never dream of revealing them. If given permission to do so, and if I prayerfully thought it would help someone, then I would do so.

If this was printed to sensationalise the latter days of Mr Gardner's life, it would be extremely wrong, but I personally do not come away with that feeling after reading it. I read of a man who has committed heinous crimes, and has taken the life of two innocent men, but who, with help from a sincere minister has come to a realisation of his crime, and feels genuine remorse. I also feel that he came to know that by hearing of his life, he may prevent another young man, or men, of going down that same path. Surely that is a worthwile reason for printing it in the form that we have read.

As far as forgiveness for Mr Gardner, the Lord will decide that. He is the sole Judge.

Rob
Logan, UT

Maybe this will help someone not go down this path.

RSD
Pepperell, MA

This was a fantastic two-part article. Thank you. rsd

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

In the column, the Bishop states, "He gave me permission to use my notes and our conversations in any way I think might be of value to someone."

coachcarter
West Valley City, UT

JWD, did you even read the stories? In both part one and two, it states that RLG had asked that his story be told so that it might help people who are struggling and who are headed down the same path as he went.

Pawps
Sandy, Utah

RE; JWDixonizer/ "I don't think it iss appropriate for clergy to be sharing what people, even the deceased, share with them without express permission."

Keep reading, 2nd page.

He said (Gardner) he feels good that he has had a bishop to "open up to." He gave me permission to use my notes and our conversations in any way I think might be of value to someone.

RockOn
Spanish Fork, UT

Powerful reporting of the events leading to R. Gardner's execution. Well said and heartfelt. Compassionate and in perspective. Thank you Doug for bringing this to light so we can better understand Gardner and particularly his attempts to reconcile. Appropriate and well done.

Quayle
Dallas, TX

So here is a little personal test: do I want - do you want - Ronnie to be forgiven and washed clean, or do we secretly hope that he'll get what he deserves?

I well remember President Faust saying in conference, "I don't know about you, brethren, but I don't pray for justice, I pray for mercy."

Esquire
Springville, UT

Murderers obviously should be punished. But capital punishment should not be the way to do it. I've come to that conclusion over the years and with a lot of thought. I respect other views, but mine is that capital punishment is wrong for several reasons.

Sgt.Schltz
Logan, ut

I was given a great opportunity to teach Priesthood lessons to prisoners in our local jail. Every time I taught the lesson the Spirit filled our hearts and minds. I truly believe that the Lord walks the hallways of jails and prisons offering his peace to all who are humble and repentant. He loves all people regardless of our stature or circumstances. Peace is His to give and His to take away.

Lone Star Cougar
Plano, TX

Excellent article. May God bless Brother Gardner now that he is with Him. May God please bring peace to the victims' families.

John Adams
Miami, FL

"May God bless Brother Gardner now that he is with Him."

With all due respect, Gardner is not with Him.

"'Thou shalt not kill.' (Ex. 20:13.) 'Thou shalt do no murder.' (Matt. 19:18.) Murder, the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought or under such circumstances of criminality that the malice is presumed, 'is a sin unto death' (1 John 5:16-17), a sin for which there is 'no forgiveness' (D&C 42:79), meaning that a murderer can never gain salvation. 'No murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.' (1 John 3:15.) He cannot join the Church by baptism; he is outside the pale of redeeming grace.

Mr. Garnder is in spirit prison awaiting the resurrection of the unjust.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@ John Adams,

Why don't we let the Eternal Judge determine where he is?

Chad S
Derby, KS

Mark 2:17.

I hope the families of the victims found peace somehow. This was a great two-part story.

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