The tea party folks in Utah presently are somewhat quiet it is true, but then
the elections are a year and a half away. We will hear a lot more from them
starting at the first of the year, as candidates begin to identify themselves.
Trying to find specific bills online thru Utah gov and finding out how specific
legislators voted is next to impossible. I stand by my previous statements
though. Just pull up the Dnews archives and you can find his statements. On
some I do agree, I must admit. However, I stand by my statement about Carl
Wimmer being able to read the pulse of a nervous electorate. It is all about
Carl and not about the people of Utah. Most definitely not about honoring those
who richly deserve it.
Webb and Pigaelli are part of the growing gaggle of "commentators" (I
use the word loosely)who:Blame all things that don't work out well
on the tea party.Through their "commentary" try to
convince us that they ACTUALLY CARE about the future of the Republican party,
when in reality they're mostly upset that Republicans STAND FOR SOMETHING and
aren't willing to "go along to get along" anymore!
How can it be a smear when it happened? I am only calling him out on his votes
(or the lack thereof). It is amazing when people want to call out a smear when
it is based on fact. Look back at his voting record. He missed a key vote (going
to find it and report) and then voted against honoring the Code Talkers. That
one I will never forget. Mike and Jenny4U, if you could explain that vote and
what it signifies / represents about constitutional principles I am all eyes to
I agree Mr. Richards, I really get tired of liberals who bash on principled
conservatives without knowing anything about them. The tea party has done much
to engage people in the election process and should be commended, even though I
don't consider myself one. I'm a mainstream conservative who likes John Huntsman
and Carl Wimmer.
RE: BlueWhat has the 60% done for the last several decades as the
debt bloomed, spending increased?When you are unwilling to take any
principled stands very little good is acomplished.when you willing
to compromise wiht other unprincipled people, what good will really be
accomplished?There can be no real change until congess is changed.
Mike Richards 3:55 p.m."...all they are doing is being
political bigots who smear anyone who does not agree with them and their
views."Coming from you, Mike, that's hysterical...
Pignanelli and Webb use the most inflammatory words of anyone in the media. If
I used the words they use in their article to describe the right-wing folks that
these two obviously hate so much, my comment wouldn't get posted. I'd love for
these two to define what is so "crazy," "uber right wing,"
"ultra conservative," and "far right" (all terms found in
the above article) about those who believe the Second and Tenth Amendments are
indeed a part of the Constitution, who believe the government should not spend
more than it takes in, who believe $14 trillion in debt is alarming, and who
believe in getting the government out of our lives and off our backs.It's hard to believe these two were once relevant in Utah politics. Now it's
obvious why they no longer are. Their arrogance and lack of respect toward
those with whom they disagree explains why they have chosen to make politics a
game of personal attacks rather than constructive dialogue on issues.A broken economy, three wars (and who knows how many secret wars) and $14
trillion of debt are the results of moderates and liberals. Time to give
conservatives a chance.
So, we've already got people personally attacking Carl Wimmer. What are Mr.
Wimmer's campaign points? Could we at least hear what he wants to do before
smearing him? When liberals and moderates use the term "tea
party" to further their own party's agenda, we have a problem. They, like
those who smear Mr. Wimmer, need to list points of contention with the "tea
party", otherwise, all they are doing is being political bigots who smear
anyone who does not agree with them and their views.
Ejm, It is clear you do not know Wimmer. You sound like a liberal hater
who spreads nothing but negative energy. Wimmer will be our next Congressman.
I think Rep. Wimmer is all about Rep. Wimmer. I am not alone in this thinking.
Go back to this past year when he was not able to cast a vote in a special
session because he had to be out of town on business. Or go back when he voted
against honoring the Navajo Code Talkers for their service during WW 2. With all
due respect these were men who served as part of the Greatest Generation, men
who were discriminated against in our society because of their race. He voted
against the resolution. I have a difficult time supporting anyone who voted
By the way I do know who Carl Wimmer is and he would have my vote over any other
person I can think of. He is an honorable man who needs to be our next
"Utah could have two women win US Congressional races this next
year..." Why would we want two women in congress? I am a woman
and I see that comment as offensive, who cares about the gender of the person
running? Do they have the correct values? I have no idea who Mia Luv is but I
know I would not vote for her simply because she is a woman! Although I
supported Tim Bridgewater I do like Eagar and wish her well.
Richard, this is not a blame-game.The 20% of the nation that is
"hard" left isn't going to get us out of our debt problem, and the 20%
of the nation that is "hard" right can't, either.It's a
consensus among the middle 60% of the country that will eithe solve this
problem, or join us as we all drive over the cliff next month.For
me, I like my job and the ability to keep a roof over my head and food on the
table. I don't think I'll have either of those things a year from now if the
zealots on either the left or the right fail to reach an agreement very soon.
@ BlueIf the 'mess' you are referring to is our $14 trillion debt, then
blame mostly lies with the so-called 'pragmatists.' Who stood firm on their
opposition to the expensive Iraq war? The 'far' left and 'far' right. Who
stands in opposition to expensive and dangerous involvement in Libya? The same
groups. Who has passed huge social programs while 'compromising' to keep a
conservative tax rate? 'Moderate' Republicans and 'Moderate' Democrats. The
fact we cannot pay the bills is not the fault of ideologues, it is those who
believe "problem-solving" involves everything except ever taking a
stand on any issue.
One of the few times I think Lavarr is on the money.
"Given the results of recent county and state conventions, I see little
hope for a mainstream, pragmatic, problem-solving candidate..."Which is exactly why we're in this mess.Pragmatic problem-solving
has become a handicap, a negative.Passionate belief, regardless of
how fact-free and irrational it may be, has become a virtue.Utah -
please - settle down, release your ego, and think.When have we ever
had a _greater_ need for pragmatic problem-solvers?
What about the special interest groups that are supporting Hatch?
You are right to be concerned LaVarr. Your beloved Republicans are engaged in
self destructive infighting even as they attempt to drive the political car off
the cliff. It's hard to see how this debt ceiling episode ends up well for them.
Utah could have two women win US Congressional races this next year if Cherilyn
Eagar and Mia Love both decide to run.