Seven Continents and the International Space Station...the Internet is
re: Mountainman56 | 12:24 a.m. July 15, 2011 Thats okay; the Utes
have 2 consecutive bye weeks after playing USC.
I just had an epihany while reading theses comments. The reason that Ute fans
keep coming back to BYU articles to try to prove that they're better than BYU is
that they never believed they would be considered for something like a PAC 10
invitation and now that it's happened, they're so astounded, amazed and
overjoyed that they just can't fathom that their rival who has beaten up on them
for decades (147 MWC Conference championships for BYU vs. 49 for Utah), could
possibly be in a position that might be as good or better than their's. They're
like Cinderella getting invited to the ball - can't believe their good fortune
and always afraid of how things will turn out. Maybe they'll be lucky like
Cinderella and it will turn out well. But, even if that happens, they'll never
forget the years and decades of being dominated by BYU and so their obsesession
will continue, even though they have supposedly moved on to a bigger and better
life.Meanwhile, you remain just one more team on BYU's schedule.
BYU fans are way more excited about playing Ole Miss. and Texas than we are
about playing Utah.
Honor CodeWhat 10pm kickoffs?Playing WAC teams in Provo
still beats playing Wyoming in Laramie.The MTN and Laramie - two
things BYU fans will NEVER miss.
And the jealous Ute fans keep coming. . . Don't you guys have something better
to do? Hey, be sure to wave at the camera during the BYU vs. utah game because
it'll be the only chance you've got to be on national television.
I can't wait to watch BYU slaughter the teams in the WAC. At least I will be
able to go to bed at night knowing that I will wake up in the morning with those
high octane scores 45 - 7 or 52 - 0. A lot of folks will be snoozing
by half time on those 10pm kick-offs!
Utah Man, "Final Four appearances in the modern era, just like byu. I would
take UCLA's three straigh Final Four appearances (2006, 2007, 2008) over
Gonzaga's five Sweet 16 appearance any day"----------I'm
sure you would. It'll never happen, but I'm sure you would.
BYU has set themselves up nice!!! It's a great fit for how our program is run.
No more problems with Sunday play, and we can make our own future. As a
business owner I can see why they want to do this. Play whoever they want
whenever they want. No more Hair Thompson pulling stupid moves and setting back
an already basement confined conference. Honestly the Pac fits Utah better and
Independence fits us better. Utah makes more money per season which is obvious
with the 22 or so million. The thing is BYU will always have 50 times more
money than the Utes. It's hard to fathom how much money our church has. If we
want new facilities we build them. BCS money or not we have the means to get
things done. The Utes can't say that. The thing that still makes me laugh is
this: Utah went to the Pac and should be getting all the media attention. Then
reactionary or not BYU stole all of there thunder. If we had stayed in the
Mountain Worst Utes would be talked about all day and night. Now it's debatable
who has it better:)
I Still Can't"In the meantime, Cougar fans have resorted to yet
another silly metric to measure success against the Utes -- how many times its
games appear on ESPN 3."ESPN3??? Remember how Utah
fans were beating their chests last October because ESPN Game Day came to the
Utah-TCU game?But now that BYU is playing almost every game this
season on ESPN or ESPN2, suddenly it's no big deal to Utah fans that Utah was
completely ignored by the worldwide leader in sports.Get real. We
all know that Utedom was thunderstruck when they learned that their first PAC 12
game at USC was going to be televised by, gasp, Versus.
It looks like Brad Rock had a nice cold drink of kool aid down in Provo
Tuesday.In the meantime, Cougar fans have resorted to yet another
silly metric to measure success against the Utes -- how many times its games
appear on ESPN 3. Good luck with that.
re: Portland Trail Blazers | 5:14 p.m. July 12, 2011 "USC who?
Auburn who? Utah who? Colorado who? Ohio State who? Boise State who?Missouri who?"I'l take teams that have done something in the
BCS era for $17, Alex.re: BlueSaint | 6:02 p.m. July 12, 2011 I'd like to go to a sci-fi convention and prove you wrong but have too
much self-respect. So, I'll just wait and see if Roger on American Dad sports
byu swag. re: RobSing | 6:30 p.m. July 12, 2011 I
wonder if the crew of Red Dwarf ever encountered cougar nation in a pocket of
I liked the comment during Media Day about keeping some of the regional games.
Hopefully in 2013 and beyond we'll see a sprinkling of Colorado State, UNLV, Air
Force, and dare I say Wyoming. And in spite of what Hoke said, now
that Rocky Long is in charge, I'm sure we'll meet up with San Diego State again.
Long and Mendenhall have a great rapport.Here's my dream
schedule 2 WAC teams - including Utah State annually 2 MWC teams -
including Hawaii annually, and excluding Nevada and Fresno State 2 PAC12
teams - including Utah annually 1 SEC team 1 Big East team
1 ACC team 1 Big12 team 1 Big10 team Army or Navy
annually Notre Dame annuallyWe can play 13 games if Hawaii is
one of them. It would be great to have 7 home games and 6 away. We should make
one trip to Texas each year, and one trip to So. California since they're great
recruiting grounds. Who do I send my request to? Go Cougs!
Hedgehog always spins things. Bronco did not say that Utah was the most
important game on the schedule, he said that the Utes were still his
"biggest rivals"; big difference. hedgehog is an
embarrasment to real ute fans, much the same way that starfarer and sammyg are
to real cougar fans.
"it's going to be a long row to hoe as the Y marches blindly into
independence..."Nice try, but with an 8-year partnership with
the worldwide leader in sports, an on-campus, state-of-the-art HD television
studio (that even impressed the folks from Bristol), a television station that's
already wired into 60 million home nationwide, and a steady schedule of
nationally televised games, BYU is hardly marching into independence
"blindly".As with any new venture, there will be hurdles
to overcome, but BYU gladly accepts those challenges, in exchange for the
freedom to provide access to their fans and the nation, as BYU sees fit, not as
the narrow-minded, self-serving failures at the MTN saw fit.
UtahMan4evr"The unique standards of BYU, such as the honor code
(which I applaud by the way), has made the Y a laughing stock (unfairly) in the
sporting community."BYU puts principle over performanceBy
Pat FordeESPN.com"I can't relate to the Brigham Young
University honor code. But I can respect it... What makes this such a powerful
testament is the fact that so many schools have cravenly abandoned their
standards at such a time as this, embracing athletic expediency over
institutional principle... BYU isn't willing to subordinate its principles for
victories. That's a rare stance these days, and a respectable one."National laughing stock? I could post dozens of articles published in
the last 6 months that directly contradict your claim.
"According to Bronco, The Utah game is the most important game on the
schedule.I can guarantee Kwhitt does not feel the same way."Making stuff up again hedgy?It's amazing how much inside
information you're able to tap into from that little hole in the ground in
To deductive reasoning: Who is being naive? The unique standards of BYU, such
as the honor code (which I applaud by the way), has made the Y a laughing stock
(unfairly) in the sporting community. And do you really think that 6-pack a
half football fan is really going to care about the players? As for an exciting
brand of football, if your quarteback and receivers don't improve exponentially
the only thing exciting will be the other team running up the score. Despite
the rosy scenario you Y fans are painting,it's going to be a long row to hoe as
the Y marches blindly into independence.
hedgehog | 2:36 p.m. July 13, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI "According to brocno, The Utah game is the most important game on the
schedule. I can guarantee Kwhitt does not feel the same way"Wow he said no such thing, he stated he wants to have the best program
in the state, Utah isn't the only other team in this state.
@ygradydadI'm not bitter sir. It is just the same ol' pre-season lip
service by over-zealous Y fans. Every darn year they say they are the bomb? It
is hogwash. So, I debate it. Cheers!
I'm excited about the prospects of this season. Its great to be able to watch
all these games on tv. What fan would not be excited about that? As for BYU's
success, this season is a big opportunity/risk. Realistically, i think we go
about 9-4 or perhaps 10-3 on the season (including bowl games). Ole Miss, Texas,
UCF, Oregon State, TCU, Utah, and Hawaii are all solid games that are as
winnable as they are losable. I think we win 4 of those 7 games and then
probably beat the weaker teams on our schedule. That would put us at 9-3. You
put a hopeful bowl win in there and we end up at 10-3. I'd be surprised and
pleased if we did much better than that. If we could win 9-10 games with all
those wins coming on tv, the 1st indy season could be called nothing short of a
"BYU will look at the game with u as just another game and not anything to
worry about"Defibman,According to brocno, The Utah
game is the most important game on the schedule. I can guarantee
Kwhitt does not feel the same way.
UtahMan4ever"One question to those BYU fans who think all the
TV games are going to lead to better "exposure": Who besides Mormons
who support BYU (and believe me that's not every memeber of the Church) are
going to watch them?"lol at how naive you are. Fans don't watch
BYU football because of the BYU's religious affiliation. Fans watch BYU football
because BYU plays an exciting brand of football. The exposure to BYU, the
players who play for BYU, and the unique standards of BYU, are what will
motivate some fans to investigate the LDS faith.
Just The FAX - "BYU is the odds-on favorite to be invited to the Big 12
if/when the Big 12 decides to expand to 12 teams again so they can have a
conference championship game."It's good you added
"IF" to your statement.Texas athletic director DeLoss
Dodds said. "Every year we've been in the Big 12 that we've had a vote
about the championship game, we've voted against having it." More than
ever, Big 12 survival means keeping Texas happy. I don't see a conference
championship game coming back.
I too have to laugh that "Papa Smurf Ute" bit on Earnst T. Papa, you
are a bit late to the party. Earnest is a legend on BYU articles. He makes me
laugh whenever he posts.
One question to those BYU fans who think all the TV games are going to lead to
better "exposure": Who besides Mormons who support BYU (and believe
me that's not every memeber of the Church) are going to watch them? ESPN is a
cable station and even if three million people watch a game,which are great
cable numbers, that is still less than 1% of the American population. And who
outside of Church members are even going to pay attention to something called
BYUTV? ESPN's satellite stations (ESPN 2, etc.) usually have such bad announcing
crews that I wouldn't watch the game no matter who played. And those
non-members who do watch the games, is there going to be some kind of missionary
lesson taking place at half time so they are "exposed" to the Church?
No, they're tuned in because they're bored enough to watch BYU football, with
all the trash talking, cheap shot behavior BYU has been noted for over the
years. BYU sold it's soul for a mess of pottage for "exposure". But
enjoy it while you can. Reality will hit hard in September.
Imagine this....Utah ends a season at 11-1 and BYU finishes at 11-1. Who would
look better when the Y loses to someone like Texas or Oklahoma and the u has
their only loss to BYU! Keep us on your schedule u and you will be
sure to have that one loss at least every year. Trying to prepare for the pac 12
every week and then your Big Brother will be too much to handle. In the mean
time, BYU will look at the game with u as just another game and not anything to
worry about. You can claim the pac 10.1.1 all you want but when you lose to BYU
every year, it just won't matter.
MESOUTE"BYU acted out of desperation going independent in
reaction to Utah's situation."More jealous Utah fan propaganda.
BYU has been discussing and planning for the possibility of going
independent since the 90's. BYU's state of the art HD television was nearly
completed before Utah was even invited to the PAC 12.The only thing
Utah's move did was act as a catylist for BYU to put into motion plans that had
been years in the making.Utah fans are simply showing their
insecurity by criticizing BYU's move. The BYU haters thought they'd left BYU in
their dust, and suddenly, BYU trumped Utah's ace with a move that could easily
steal Utah's PAC 12 thunder.It's painful for Utah fans to admit, but
Utah fans were just beginning to recover from the shock of their PAC 12 debut
being played on Versus, when the avalanche of BYU games scheduled on ESPN began.
For fans that had supposedly "moved on", having EVERY
available BYU game broadcast on ESPN is their worst nightmare.
Teams will change their schedule and break commitments and conference rules to
play on ESPN. Nice quote Bronco
mgr63,Why so bitter, brother? That just can't be healthy, and it
reflects poorly on the great state of Texas.
mgr63,All of your trash talk about BYU's inability to put together
an elite defense is just hot air. Bronco is an excellent DC and this year he has
legitimate two-deep talent at every position. This year's Cougar defense is
going make you eat your words, you will see.
Big UteFanBe careful when you wave the 2nd best flag. Utah was not
the PAC10's first choice! Texas was the first choice! BYU was voted out by two
schools in the PAC10 for political reasons. That's OK. The school stands takes
a stand and holds firm to principals - refreshing! So, Utah was(is)third - - -
appropriate! See you on Sept. 17.
@ MESOUTEYou can mark it down wherever you mark down your
"important stuff" and make NO mistake.BYU did not act out
of desperation in going independent. That's not the way things are done there.
Parenthetically, desperation is not the way long-term plans of this magnituded
are made in any major institution of higher learning.Watch and learn
. . .
@Tommy2shoes 11:24 a.m. July13,2011It's really rediculous how some of
these utey bloggers really think that by attempting to use hate as a catylyst
that they fool themselves into thinking that they are impeding BYU's progress in
sports. It's got to be the most laughable of all the different avenues
attempted.And as for your comments on the Southern Baptist anti
Mormon approach my father also resembles that remark somewhat and came to the
church many years ago through similar Missouri So. Baptist as well as
Presbyterian anti Mormon family upbringing. And believe me you can't get any
more anti Mormon than Gallatin Missouri was at that time. Gallatin is about 5
miles from Adam Ondi Ahman. In fact in 2003 a Baptist minister in
Gallatin Missouri actually did our father's side of the family and the Church a
big publicity favor by refusing to marry my cousin's daughter when he found out
she was marrying a local Mormon boy. They were married at the last minute by
the branch president in the newly dedicated LDS chapel in town. Over 600 local
non LDS people approvingly attended...and scared the poor BP half to death.
wow! I am happy for BYU and it's fans, but all of a sudden everyone is talking
championships? That's a huge stretch. Notre Dame is on NBC every week, but we
haven't seen them do anything great for a long time. I think BYU fans need to
take a deep breath and actually wait for the team to play some games.
This is all pretty impressive. And more college football for us to enjoy and our
wives to complain.Congrats to the Cougars.
As an independent, BYU has to win now more than ever and especially against the
good teams on the schedule. There is no wiggle room if BYU is going to make it
as an independent. Utah is in a much better situation in the PAC 12 with
guaranteed money and exposure with the BCS. Getting back to the Y, I do think
there is an opportunity here for the Y to make a last ditch pitch to the BIG 12
conference but it all depends on winning. Beating Ole Miss and Texas would
certainly help that cause. I don't think going independent is a long term
solution for the Y - only a short term opportunity. I know BYU fans would be
doing cart wheels if the Y did get an invite to the BIG 12 in the next few years
... it all boils down to winning. Bronco opted out of a long term deal with the
Y which is insane in today's volatile climate of college football coaching
UNLESS Bronco already has something on the horizon that he can count on. I think
if the Y made it to the BIG 12 Bronco would sign a long term deal.
mgr63...and outside of the state.... Utah has two dozen fans at best and
half of those are still BYU fans first. Dude...your record is severely warped
and scratched and can't even get past the first stanza...especially if you
aren't allowed to use verbage and a venacular that other blogs allow that the
DNews doesn't. You keep referring to the hatred but still can't mount any
credible comeback .... and like I said before... If according to you
yourself... being hated for athletic prowse and grouped with the likes of USC,
UCLA. Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Alabama, Auburn, Texas,
Arkansas et.al. and supposedly put up there by people like yourself...even
higher than the actual most hated team of all... Oklahoma... then I guess that
puts BYU in really good company. In case you are not really aware... Those
above named teams that you are attempting to hatedly put BYU above as most hated
are the original Big boys that everyone refers to. And you are only among two
of those teams in probably only the 4th srongest conference in College football
behind the SEC, Big-12, and The Big-10...in that order
Big ute:Play and win in the bcs, then talk, you haven't won a single game.
Just riding on the coattails of others. Association isn't everything, just to
say you are a part of the gang. I really believe u was the last choice to get
the championship game, nothing more. I hope the u does well, really, but play a
game and then spout. As to the y, they seem to be in charge or their
own future, good.AS to the Aggies, we are getting better and
Anderson will bring us along.U play us in basketball, home and home.
This thing about a preseason tournament in Salt Lake is not the thing. The u
says they lost 2 non conference scheduling games and yet those talk of making a
3 game tournament. Won't work. Same as for football, 2 for 1, 1 for 1, bcs
doesn't want to loose every other game.My prediction, the bcs will
be gone in three years. As others say, "mark it down"
"We're going to be able to play anywhere, any time," said Holmoe...well, except Sunday.
BYU acted out of desperation going independent in reaction to Utah's situation.
Now everything they do is to try to justify themselves and their actions. They
are in a better situation, but the way the local media is treating the football
program, you would think that they are now, as stated, in a universe all their
own. It is amusing. I wish them luck.
As a former SoBap I resemble that remark. The anti-Mormon was certainly evident
in my SS teachers (one of whom was a former LDS). After I investigated the LDS
Church I joined after truly feeling this was the right place for me. My former
SS teachers have joined the Church also. I guess we'll just have to convert more
members in the Texas market before we get that invite. I can wait a 1000 years
if need be. No hurry. I love the Cougars regardless of affiliation with a
conference as long as it has affiliation with the Saints.
mgr63"BYU will NEVER be in the Big 12.......NEVA!"Don't bet the ranch on that short-sighted statement.BYU is
the odds-on favorite to be invited to the Big 12 if/when the Big 12 decides to
expand to 12 teams again so they can have a conference championship game.
christophIf stars next to a player's name on some recruiting site
were the only determining factor in winning a national championship, why even
play the games?The fact is, teams loaded with 4- and 5-star athletes
lose to teams loaded with 2- and 3-star athletes all the time. Attention to
detail and team chemistry make some teams much greater than the sum of their
individual players. The opposite is also true; some teams loaded with talent
never reach their full potential because they never mesh as a team.
You think that BYU will ever get a Sanders or a Reavis to play corner for them?
HAHAHAHA! Not a chance.....they can't even get a half-baked defensive end or a
linebacker from the black community. That is killing BYU on the national
scene.....they can't beat top-notch teams anymore......the defense is so slow.
Papa Smurf UTE was gullible enough to think Ernest T is a real fan. The guy is
just a Ute fan troll. No real BYU fan expects BYU to win a national championship
this year and we all know we have no more access to the BCS than we did last
year. That is not what this is about.We are celebrating because we
can actually watch our teams games and we won't have to watch them on a high
school quality broadcast. We have 10 games on national TV and the worldwide
leader backing us and our future schedule.
RE: Uteanymous"LDS church leaders would probably be fine with BYU
joining the Big 12".Simply put, joining a conference is great
for the sports fan.Going independent is great for the church.Let's say "SLC BYU Fan" gets his dream and BYU joins the Big 12.9 Conference games1 game obligated to Utah1 game obligated to Utah
State1 game "to spread the word".In that scenario,
exposure is limited to 5 states (KS, MO, OK, TX, UT).Under
independence, BYU can schedule across the country and have national exposure.
For the church, that is a no-brainer. Fans are still getting used to the idea.
Auburn 5 Stars Year Off Def2007 0 02008 0 12009 0 02010 3
0They had a bunch of 3 and 4 stars then added some offensive and
maybe a little cash to grease the path. So, get us some 5 star offensive
and a 3.5 star defense and watch the score board light up.
The results of the poll show one thing - BYU fans are the one and only true fan
base that is 1oo% delusional. Experts are split, most thinking BYU
has no chance for BCS, but a few notables think the chances are better (some of
them say this because they don't have to play Boise State, Utah AND TCU every
year). Good luck to the cougars, but playing on ESPN is not a symbol
of how good your team is, it just represents a lot of mormons who spend their
saturdays watching TV despite not knowing much about football. (I sense a
reality show coming on here - the real housewives of BYU alumniville)
Oh and I would love to see a Sammy Linebaugh-hosted show on BYUtv
notwithstanding her alma mater. She was the only good thing about the mtn.
BYU will never get an invite from the Big 12. I heard the press conference from
the Big 12 chairman after Nebraska left. He stated that inquires were made by
BYU. He also said that they were fine with the status of the new conference when
approached with a question about BYU's possible invite. It was painful watching
him not saying something derogatory about BYU......he surely wanted
to......could see it on his face and in the tone of his voice. Now, I can tell
you this, as I've lived in the south for nearly 15 years after escaping
Utah......Southern Baptists hate the LDS Church. You know, since I lived in the
south I have curtailed telling people I'm from SLC, Utah.......I got tired of
being made fun of. BYU will NEVER be in the Big 12.......NEVA!
Five star defensive backs aren't needed to win a NC. Maybe 11 Four stars could
davidutefanYou're right, there aren't huge populations of BYU fans
on the other five continents, but there are pockets of BYU fans scattered
throughout the world.BYU will certainly lose some big games on ESPN,
but the upside, is ALL of BYU's big wins will aslo be seen on ESPN.When Harline is all alone in the endzone, Collie catches a pass on 4th-and-18,
or George trots into the endzone while two defensive players are crashing
together, the NATION will be watching, instead of those dramatic moments being
buried under the MTN.Such moments create an indelible impression on
fans, because they'll be shown over and over by ESPN SportsCenter and other
national media, and will help to build BYU's brand.Imagine what
Jimmermania would have been like if all of Jimmer's 40-point games and 30-foot
shots had been broadcast live.
@ RationalI stand corrected on the Gonzaga Sweet 16 Tournament
appearances. They have a nice program, but like I said, what have they ever
done comparatively speaking? No Final Four appearances in the modern era, just
like byu. I would take UCLA's three straigh Final Four appearances (2006, 2007,
2008) over Gonzaga's five Sweet 16 appearance any day. Put Gonzaga on a road
trip to UCLA, and UCLA and see how they perform.By the way, byu has
one Sweet Sixteen appearance over a 30 year span. I guess that somehow makes
the Cougars God's gift to college basketball. You are delusional, just like
your entire athletic department and fanbase. I am glad that you have 10 games
on the ESPN family of networks this season. Are you ready to be truly exposed?
I'm as big a cougar fan as any, but until we get 5 star recruits on defense,
there will be no national title. Yeah, maybe if Heaps scores 50 points a
game, but even then, you play the big boy schools and the QB has 2 seconds to
throw. TCU will be toughest game on schedule.
Bubble Boy, '"And, the BYU PreSeason National Championship banners were all
over in Provo again."Yes, every preseason BYU pulls out its
National Championship banner -- because it has one and can.Personally, I will be a little embarrassed for the U when USC comes into town
next year and sees those BCS banners. USC has probably been to more Rose Bowls
than Utah has had winning seasons. Certainly more Rose Bowls than Utah has
bowls. More national titles than Utah has conference titles.It is
like when the Lakers or Celtics come to down and see Conference Championship
banners in ESA, and retired jerseys for players who never made an All-Star team.
I'll bet they think those "Conference" banners are cute. I also think
they are a bit embarrassed for the Jazz.
Ernest T Bass,If you think that the Y will be in the National Title
picture this year and every year from here on out, you are sorely mistaken. 1
loss an it is all over. No matter what your schedule is in the future, if you
lose 1 game, it is over. You may still make it to a BCS game if you go 11-1 and
have a really tough schedule, but no national title, or even in the picture. The
Y will have to make at least 1 or 2 BCS games to be considered for a title.
Utah, Boise St, and TCU have all done it twice, and TCU did it 2 years in a row,
and still did not have a shot. The Y is in a better position, but another title
is not going to be coming to Provo again anytime soon.
ModerateWhat you're still missing is BYU made the move to
independence to escape the unrealistic restrictions of the MTN. LDS church
leaders would probably be fine with BYU joining the Big 12 as long as BYU
retained rights to rebroadcast games and to broadcast any games not picked up by
the Big 12's television partner(s).
Utah Man:"Gonzaga has played in three Sweet 16's since 1999,
not five, and they have never advanced any further." ------------Check again, dude.'99 Elite 8'00 16'01 16'06 16'09 16Tournament every year.Only kept out of the 16 this year by
BYU. Check your facts before you smack.How does that compare
to U? How many PAC schools have done as well or better over that period? Two.
U are not one.What you and others fail to realize is that being IN
the "Conference of Champions" does not make a school a champion. I repeat, Gonzaga is competitive with all PAC schools in basketball
(though they haven't won a championship like Arizona recently and UCLA
distantly. UCLA hasn't made the tourney twice in the last ten years, but have
made it to the championship game), and is better than 10 of them -- U included.
BYU, you may be in denial about, beat Arizona badly the last two years.
Without trying to rain on your parade, Nationally the exposure will be great for
BYU as long as they're successful. If they don't win big games though, it will
just be exposed. I think this a good thing for the program but, let's be honest.
Of the 6 continents that BYU-TV broadcasts to, 5 could care less. But in all
fairness, I don't think they care who wins the PAC-12 Championship game in
@Moderate: BYU might get an offer from the Big 12, but would Church
Leaders take it? They have spent a lot of church resources on this move to more
exposure. Joining a conference would be a step backwards to that mission.Now that is really drinking a bunch of green Kool-aid before trying to
turn it into Jello! There is significant speculation that part of the reason
Tom Holmoe has not firmed up more of the 2013 schedule is the possibility of a
Big-12 invitation, which would be preferable to all BYU sports. Some of the
senior brethren might have a hard time with this one, but it will be leaving
Utah State further behind as opposed to the no Sunday play rules BYU has. If
anything the LDS Churchs decision to drop football in Rexburg has been a reason
for a league like the Big-12 to not be so quick to make BYU an invitation.
Particularly when some (a minority) senior LDS Church leaders have such an
agenda since BYU gave Utha State the shaft 50 years ago!
mgr63 | 8:44 a.m. July 13, 2011 DALLAS, TX"how many
people want to see BYU lose?" That is the important figure.......the
majority of the viewership watching ESPN telecasts is my bet."First of all, if all BYU was shooting for was the BYU audience, they would
broadcast intramural sports.Second, what you don't understand is
that BYU WANTS such viewers. Many LDS converts started out that way. Others
are persuaded to investigate the LDS church to find out what the anti's are so
worked up about, and later join as a result.
Hey Dutch,Actually no, I think the Big 12 or Big East could be a
better fit, I think these conferences might be more tolerant with the religious
affliation of BYU and the No Sunday Play policy.
This is so big for BYU. I love how Utah fans all just talk about how much money
they are getting. They can barely fill their own stadium each week. They will be
playing in front of 100K fans at SC. Can you imagine how SC will feel when they
have to come to RES to play in front of 30K. SC will walk out and start
laughing. Utah needs to gather more fans, other than the typical bandwagon fans
who pretend to be fans and build a bigger stadium. I know I will come to games
when the Aggies are out of town, to watch the other power house teams. I can't
wait until SC come to town and OU. Congrats BYU on getting HUGE exposure! I am
very excited for all the new exposure the entire state will be getting!
RE: Jeff29 "The problem with bigutefan and others is that they do not
understand the mission of BYU Football."By "and
others" I think you mean Cougar Football Fans. I think fans are struggling
with the concept that the LDS Church drove the move to independence for
exposure. There are Cougar fans who say its a great idea, but then quickly
announce that the Big 12 will add BYU in 2013. The football fan wants that to
be true, because then they can say "see Utes? We're in an AQ conference
too, but ours is better". Fans are fans, that's understandable.BYU might get an offer from the Big 12, but would Church Leaders take it?
They have spent a lot of church resources on this move to more exposure.
Joining a conference would be a step backwards to that mission.
Troll Hunter,"Conference of Champions"....... More like,
"Conference of Chickens" And this was the conference you
always wanted BYU to join and would be estatic if BYU got an invitation and
joined today. Did I get that right?
@ Rational:Gonzaga has played in three Sweet 16's since 1999, not
five, and they have never advanced any further. St. Mary's played in the Sweet
Sixteen in 2010, and was blown out. Other than that, the WCC will never be more
than a two bid league, at best. You cannot be serious when comparing the WCC,
small faith based universities, to the Pac-12, large state flagship
universities.Pac-12 school's qualify for the Sweet 16, Elite 8, and
Final Four with regularity and produce even more NBA players. Any high school
basketball player worth his salt will attend a Pac-12 school over a WCC school,
end of story.
There will be more Ute fans watching BYU games this year than watching the Utes.
Its just a lot easier to turn on the tv and see the Cougars every
week. EVERYONE will want to see how BYU is doing, even U.
10 or 11 or 12 games on ESPN - need we say more. Brown was clear that BYU need
not win to get on ESPN. BYU is a national brand. BYU has enough fans that ESPN
can make money by televising BYU. If ESPN pushes BYU, more people will watch,
BYU get more exposure and more money, and ESPN gets more money. Win, win,
win.ESPN has chosen to televise BYU playing a bunch of WAC teams
that never get on ESPN. Why is that? Do they love San Jose? No, they love
BYU. Let's all share the love. All of the haters that watch BYU games hoping
and praying that BYU loses only improve the ratings and increase the number of
games televised. All of the trolls posting on BYU articles only increases the
number of articles written about BYU. I love you haters and trolls. Thank-you
from the bottom of my heart. Go Cougars!
From the Article: "Some conferences are considering or have instituded
rules against late season non-conference game scheduling"Yes,
only the PAC 10.2 has instituded this rule for their schools just recently."Conference of Champions"....... More like, "Conference
Martians decide not to invade Earth now that they can watch their favorite
College Football team on ESPN. President Obama decides not to run for
re-election citing his opponents unfair advantage of being an alumni of
Martians' favorite team. HAL predicts Cougars to go undefeated for the rest of
this century. Captain Kirk warps around the Sun to bring the Enterprise's entire
crew to see game of the Century between Notre Dame and BYU for the NC on ship's
big screen. Aliens abduct silly reporter from DN for inane story.
Brettski2024"Smack talk from provo has grown very weak."Glad you see that. We don't need to smack talk anyone. Our program is
moving into an amazing direction. Life with ESPN will be great and the Church
can get the exposure it's looking for. That is the main goal. Things like
winning games, getting better recruits, and getting more money are only
secondary. BYU shouldn't need to put down any other program when theirs is
heading higher and higher up. It's exciting! I'm glad I grew up a BYU fan
because it's a really fun time to be one.
BYU has maybe 2 million fans worldwide, at best???????? My question
is......."how many people want to see BYU lose?" That is the important
figure.......the majority of the viewership watching ESPN telecasts is my
bet.......just read ALL the various sports boards......it is evident.
Congrats to BYU. It really is phenominal. But with all the missionaries and
Mission Presidents all over the world sitting in their living quarters and
watching BYUtv day and night who is going to go out and do the real missionary
work? I guess the sister missionaries will have to because most of them
probably don't like sports.
Too much blue kool-aid! I'm getting a headache. I noticed the quest T-shirts
were out in full force yesterday. And, the BYU PreSeason National Championship
banners were all over in Provo again.sigh...
If the team loses 6 or 7 games and looks bad doing so, this will really
backfire. Of course this could never happen. Anyone who says Utah will be a
perennial PAC12 cellar dweller never put any thought into what could happen to
BYUs "national brand." I can't wait for mid October to see who is
happy and who is making excuses.
bigutefan -- Running in second place at this point in the process is nothing at
which to sneer. What were your expectations? BYU would be invited to the 2011
BCS championship at yesterday's event?May I suggest you swallow your
sour grapes and allow the season to unfold?Jealousy is expected at
the attention BYU received yesterday, which certainly overshadowed Utah's entry
into the PAC Whatever. That doesn't become anyone. What was seen yesterday might
be akin to a team in the old Division 1-AA moving up to a BCS conference and
playing for the national title the same year (well, maybe not quite that
extreme, but you get the message).
@ bigutefan,You wish!But, thanks for being a BYU fan,
anyway. Nice to see you post so much on your hated rival's articles. Shows you
really care about us.Kinda why BYU will be getting more eyes on its
games than the Utes will, regardless of TV scheduling.
@ bigutefan,Keep spinning it the way you like to see it. BYU is
taking a backseat to NO ONE. Have you ever heard "Second to none"? If
you say that BYU is second, then what does that mean about the u? That's right,
they are NONE, ZERO, NATTA, ZIP, ZELCH.Enjoy your "Conference
of Champions". Too bad the Champions will continue to be USC, Oregon,
Stanford, etc. The runn'n utes will continue to be in the running, but will
never make it.
BigUte, no one, and I mean, no one knows the value of BYU's deal because much of
the value is in exposure. Ever seen one of those "From the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day Saints -- the Mormons" ads? They spend money to put
those on. How many of those do you think they get to run for free on BYUtv.The value of BYU's deal vs Utah's deal is pretty much a wash, I'd
bet.As to lesser league. Several WCC sports -- not all, but several
-- are as competitive as the PAC, and some WCC teams, Gonzaga with 5 sweet 16's
since '99, are as good as any in the PAC, and better than most. The PAC is
better than WCC in track and probably baseball, and BYU will be better than Utah
in track, and remain competitive in baseball. Other than gymnastics
and skiing, BYU is equal to, competitive with or better than Utah in every
sport, and will remain so.
@biguteyfanBrother...you have no conceptual idea of what Utah is walking
into on September 10th at Memorial Collosium. There's a big difference to being
in with the big boys....or playing with the big boys and being... one of the big
boys. That wakeup call is less than 2 months away and utey's are going to get
thier heads served to them on a platter. Welcome to the new dark ages utey's
whether it's not being on tv or not winning much of anything for at least
Now it is time to focus on playing on the field! Lets play ball! Go Cougars!
The problem with bigutefan and others is that they do not understand the mission
of BYU Football. It is truely about exposure; money is secondary (remember,
when BYU built all of their new facilities a few years ago, it was done with
donations). From a fans perspective, I won't deny that it would be exciting to
see a PAC 12 schedule every year and an opportunity to go 9-3 and still play in
a BCS game, but I don't think that is how the University thinks about it. Like
it or not, the football program is just one piece of the missionary arm of the
BYU did the best that they could do, so congrats.But it still really
reads like 2nd place.1st place is being invited to join a BCS league
and become a BCS team all the while earning 22 million in TV revenue on national
TV (Fox)vs.2nd place, 8 million contract with ESPN
(cable channel), not a BCS team, not in a BCS league, scheduling conflicts,
involved with several other lesser leagues for other sports, confusing chaos.
Best part about today was no Todd Christensen or his dictionary :)seriously though, it looked soooo much better than anything the Mtn. has
produced...since ever. Great personalities great voices great production! I am
also actually looking forward to the game broadcast by byutv.
Smack talk from provo has grown very weak. Congrats to the cougs though,
leaving the MWC was a much needed move.
As was said in the movie, Field of Dreams, "Build it, and they will
ND and AL are good company. Yes ND does have a better arrangement. However, BYU
is off to a great start. There is some hand wringing over playing in
the Armed Services Bowl unless BYU is undefeated. Give it some time and BYU
will get some great bowl tie ins in the longer run. BYU's biggest
problem is going to be over scheduling and creating too hard of a schedule. BSU
still has the right formula but they no longer have the TV coverage. BYU should be able to get at least one game in the Jerry Dome each year and
that is a big payoff. Even if BYU loses some games along the way ESPN can still
cast them as spoilers against BCS conf leaders. Cup cake games can
be dropped and replaced with BYU if the payout is good enough. BCS conference
leaders would schedule BYU if they were not in the running for the NC. A non
conference loss to BYU would not affect their shot at a BCS bowl as long as they
won their conference.Expect BYU to get rescheduled during some years
by ESPN match making.
NightOwlAmericaHow many Utah games are on national TV this year? I
mean, besides the one on ESPN that gets broadcast because you are playing BYU.
Great time to be a Cougar. Rise and Shout!!!
MichiganCoug.Sorry to break the news to you. All Notre Dame games are on
TV this year. Same for Alabama and others if you look. ESPN is not the only
network that broadcasts nationally.
It was an incredible day. If nothing else BYU showed it can get on tv anytime,
anywhere. My favorite part of the day was the round table (which I couldn't
watch live, so I went to BYU tv and watched it online!) discussion with Young,
Detmer, Edwards, Matich... Man, this is going to be awesome. The
players are definitely excited to have this chance to play on national tv all
the time. They are not taking this lightly. It is mind boggling the media
footprint BYU made today and will in the future. Best announcement
of the day...Four channels of ESPN are back on campus!!
If only it was!!!
We should be in the national title hunt pretty much every year from now on most
I thought Bronco was especially eloquent today. He didn't shy away from the
tough topics. He was funny at times. He has the University's and athlete's
best interest at heart. He blamed no one but himself for their record last
year. What a class act!I was also impressed with Jake Heaps and
Matt Reynolds in their interviews. Their poise with the microphone was evident
and their leadership was obvious. Heaps will be a magnet for the cameras, just
like Jimmer was. Networks would rather interview an athlete who has his act
together and responds humbly yet confident than the athletes who are selling
their wears for tattoos, arrested for armed robbery, or . . .I
really thought when BYU announced their partnership with ESPN originally that we
would have the minimum number of games per contract on ESPN / ESPN2. Who would
have ever thought we would have 10 with most of them on ESPN and ESPN2. And to hear ESPN talk about the schedule . . . their comment was that
2011 and 2012 would be the most difficult and it would get easier every year
with plenty of teams from the ACC and Big East willing to play in Oct and
This is GREAT!10 Games on ESPN Networks!BYU has arrived!
BYU is in a different universe? I wonder if it's the same Universe that that
secret silly planet that can only be seen from Utah is in?
With what BYU is planning with exposure and getting their brand out there,
ALIENS will be wearing BYU attire!!
Have to admit. This whole set up for BYU is pretty impressive. Still like the
MWC (not TV deal) but best wishes to BYU and Utah. I hope our paths do cross
every now and then in the future.
How sweet it is to go onto byutv.org in Europe and watch the entire media day +
classic BYU games!Oh how great it is to be a Cougar!
WOW, that is all that can be said: WOW! 10 games on ESPN's family of stations,
w/ a yet to be announced game at OSU? Which will likely end up on FSN or Versus
(heaven forbid), not to mention a 12th for the bowl game? Name one school in the
history of College Football, has been on TV for all 13 games? Huh? I can't hear
you...why? Because it has never happened. Did BYU's move to independence make
sense? Especially to all you naysayers out there, especially the BYU haters in
our midst...And you all got sick of Jimmer-mania...Yes, we all know,
you gotta win baby...and win they will. All of their games? Certainly not, but
could they? Yes, anything is possible. Heck, I'd be tickled pink w/ a 10 win
season this year, and with alot of this year's team returning for the 2012
season, brace yourselves Cougar fans out there, the next 2-3 years will be
something you'll never forget!
Hopefully the Holy War stays as salty and full of amazing endings as it has the
last several years so that the nation can fully enjoy the good thing we have
going here in Utah now that we aren't hidden on the mtn any longer. Likely to
be showcased on ESPN from here on out!Congrats on the exposure,
USC who? Auburn who? Utah who? Colorado who? Ohio State who? Boise State who?
Just as it was a great day to be a Ute fan on PAC-12 Day, today was a great day
to be a Cougar fan! Despite the absence to specific scheduling announcements,
today was by no means a letdown. I hope BYU's Media Day becomes such a
spectacle for us Cougar fans!
10 games on ESPN...It just keeps getting better! I can now watch BYU and
discuss the games with my local friends who will no doubt watch them too. BYU
and ESPN grew up together and I am glad to see the two back together. The MTN
was a black hole but now I feel like BYU has stepped back into the light.