Brad Rock: BYU football is in a different universe


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  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 1, 2011 1:42 a.m.

    Seven Continents and the International Space Station...the Internet is everywhere.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 17, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    re: Mountainman56 | 12:24 a.m. July 15, 2011

    Thats okay; the Utes have 2 consecutive bye weeks after playing USC.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 15, 2011 12:24 a.m.

    I just had an epihany while reading theses comments. The reason that Ute fans keep coming back to BYU articles to try to prove that they're better than BYU is that they never believed they would be considered for something like a PAC 10 invitation and now that it's happened, they're so astounded, amazed and overjoyed that they just can't fathom that their rival who has beaten up on them for decades (147 MWC Conference championships for BYU vs. 49 for Utah), could possibly be in a position that might be as good or better than their's. They're like Cinderella getting invited to the ball - can't believe their good fortune and always afraid of how things will turn out. Maybe they'll be lucky like Cinderella and it will turn out well. But, even if that happens, they'll never forget the years and decades of being dominated by BYU and so their obsesession will continue, even though they have supposedly moved on to a bigger and better life.

    Meanwhile, you remain just one more team on BYU's schedule. BYU fans are way more excited about playing Ole Miss. and Texas than we are about playing Utah.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 14, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Honor Code

    What 10pm kickoffs?

    Playing WAC teams in Provo still beats playing Wyoming in Laramie.

    The MTN and Laramie - two things BYU fans will NEVER miss.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    July 14, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    And the jealous Ute fans keep coming. . . Don't you guys have something better to do? Hey, be sure to wave at the camera during the BYU vs. utah game because it'll be the only chance you've got to be on national television.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    July 14, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    I can't wait to watch BYU slaughter the teams in the WAC. At least I will be able to go to bed at night knowing that I will wake up in the morning with those high octane scores 45 - 7 or 52 - 0.

    A lot of folks will be snoozing by half time on those 10pm kick-offs!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2011 12:01 a.m.

    Utah Man, "Final Four appearances in the modern era, just like byu. I would take UCLA's three straigh Final Four appearances (2006, 2007, 2008) over Gonzaga's five Sweet 16 appearance any day"

    I'm sure you would. It'll never happen, but I'm sure you would.

  • showmeyatd's Pleasant View, Utah
    July 13, 2011 11:49 p.m.

    BYU has set themselves up nice!!! It's a great fit for how our program is run. No more problems with Sunday play, and we can make our own future. As a business owner I can see why they want to do this. Play whoever they want whenever they want. No more Hair Thompson pulling stupid moves and setting back an already basement confined conference. Honestly the Pac fits Utah better and Independence fits us better. Utah makes more money per season which is obvious with the 22 or so million. The thing is BYU will always have 50 times more money than the Utes. It's hard to fathom how much money our church has. If we want new facilities we build them. BCS money or not we have the means to get things done. The Utes can't say that. The thing that still makes me laugh is this: Utah went to the Pac and should be getting all the media attention. Then reactionary or not BYU stole all of there thunder. If we had stayed in the Mountain Worst Utes would be talked about all day and night. Now it's debatable who has it better:)

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    July 13, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    I Still Can't

    "In the meantime, Cougar fans have resorted to yet another silly metric to measure success against the Utes -- how many times its games appear on ESPN 3."


    Remember how Utah fans were beating their chests last October because ESPN Game Day came to the Utah-TCU game?

    But now that BYU is playing almost every game this season on ESPN or ESPN2, suddenly it's no big deal to Utah fans that Utah was completely ignored by the worldwide leader in sports.

    Get real. We all know that Utedom was thunderstruck when they learned that their first PAC 12 game at USC was going to be televised by, gasp, Versus.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    It looks like Brad Rock had a nice cold drink of kool aid down in Provo Tuesday.

    In the meantime, Cougar fans have resorted to yet another silly metric to measure success against the Utes -- how many times its games appear on ESPN 3. Good luck with that.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    July 13, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    re: Portland Trail Blazers | 5:14 p.m. July 12, 2011

    "USC who? Auburn who? Utah who? Colorado who? Ohio State who? Boise State who?
    Missouri who?"

    I'l take teams that have done something in the BCS era for $17, Alex.

    re: BlueSaint | 6:02 p.m. July 12, 2011

    I'd like to go to a sci-fi convention and prove you wrong but have too much self-respect. So, I'll just wait and see if Roger on American Dad sports byu swag.

    re: RobSing | 6:30 p.m. July 12, 2011

    I wonder if the crew of Red Dwarf ever encountered cougar nation in a pocket of unreality.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 13, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    I liked the comment during Media Day about keeping some of the regional games. Hopefully in 2013 and beyond we'll see a sprinkling of Colorado State, UNLV, Air Force, and dare I say Wyoming.

    And in spite of what Hoke said, now that Rocky Long is in charge, I'm sure we'll meet up with San Diego State again. Long and Mendenhall have a great rapport.

    Here's my dream schedule
    2 WAC teams - including Utah State annually
    2 MWC teams - including Hawaii annually, and excluding Nevada and Fresno State
    2 PAC12 teams - including Utah annually
    1 SEC team
    1 Big East team
    1 ACC team
    1 Big12 team
    1 Big10 team
    Army or Navy annually
    Notre Dame annually

    We can play 13 games if Hawaii is one of them. It would be great to have 7 home games and 6 away. We should make one trip to Texas each year, and one trip to So. California since they're great recruiting grounds.

    Who do I send my request to? Go Cougs!

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    July 13, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    Hedgehog always spins things. Bronco did not say that Utah was the most important game on the schedule, he said that the Utes were still his "biggest rivals"; big difference.

    hedgehog is an embarrasment to real ute fans, much the same way that starfarer and sammyg are to real cougar fans.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    "it's going to be a long row to hoe as the Y marches blindly into independence..."

    Nice try, but with an 8-year partnership with the worldwide leader in sports, an on-campus, state-of-the-art HD television studio (that even impressed the folks from Bristol), a television station that's already wired into 60 million home nationwide, and a steady schedule of nationally televised games, BYU is hardly marching into independence "blindly".

    As with any new venture, there will be hurdles to overcome, but BYU gladly accepts those challenges, in exchange for the freedom to provide access to their fans and the nation, as BYU sees fit, not as the narrow-minded, self-serving failures at the MTN saw fit.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 3:20 p.m.


    "The unique standards of BYU, such as the honor code (which I applaud by the way), has made the Y a laughing stock (unfairly) in the sporting community."

    BYU puts principle over performance
    By Pat Forde

    "I can't relate to the Brigham Young University honor code. But I can respect it... What makes this such a powerful testament is the fact that so many schools have cravenly abandoned their standards at such a time as this, embracing athletic expediency over institutional principle... BYU isn't willing to subordinate its principles for victories. That's a rare stance these days, and a respectable one."

    National laughing stock? I could post dozens of articles published in the last 6 months that directly contradict your claim.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 3:05 p.m.

    "According to Bronco, The Utah game is the most important game on the schedule.

    I can guarantee Kwhitt does not feel the same way."

    Making stuff up again hedgy?

    It's amazing how much inside information you're able to tap into from that little hole in the ground in Michigan.

  • UtahMan4evr Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    To deductive reasoning: Who is being naive? The unique standards of BYU, such as the honor code (which I applaud by the way), has made the Y a laughing stock (unfairly) in the sporting community. And do you really think that 6-pack a half football fan is really going to care about the players? As for an exciting brand of football, if your quarteback and receivers don't improve exponentially the only thing exciting will be the other team running up the score. Despite the rosy scenario you Y fans are painting,it's going to be a long row to hoe as the Y marches blindly into independence.

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    July 13, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    hedgehog | 2:36 p.m. July 13, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI

    "According to brocno, The Utah game is the most important game on the schedule.

    I can guarantee Kwhitt does not feel the same way"

    Wow he said no such thing, he stated he wants to have the best program in the state, Utah isn't the only other team in this state.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 2:41 p.m.


    I'm not bitter sir. It is just the same ol' pre-season lip service by over-zealous Y fans. Every darn year they say they are the bomb? It is hogwash. So, I debate it. Cheers!

  • NW Coug Provo, UT
    July 13, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    I'm excited about the prospects of this season. Its great to be able to watch all these games on tv. What fan would not be excited about that? As for BYU's success, this season is a big opportunity/risk. Realistically, i think we go about 9-4 or perhaps 10-3 on the season (including bowl games). Ole Miss, Texas, UCF, Oregon State, TCU, Utah, and Hawaii are all solid games that are as winnable as they are losable. I think we win 4 of those 7 games and then probably beat the weaker teams on our schedule. That would put us at 9-3. You put a hopeful bowl win in there and we end up at 10-3. I'd be surprised and pleased if we did much better than that. If we could win 9-10 games with all those wins coming on tv, the 1st indy season could be called nothing short of a success!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 13, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    "BYU will look at the game with u as just another game and not anything to worry about"


    According to brocno, The Utah game is the most important game on the schedule.

    I can guarantee Kwhitt does not feel the same way.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    July 13, 2011 2:32 p.m.


    "One question to those BYU fans who think all the TV games are going to lead to better "exposure": Who besides Mormons who support BYU (and believe me that's not every memeber of the Church) are going to watch them?"

    lol at how naive you are. Fans don't watch BYU football because of the BYU's religious affiliation. Fans watch BYU football because BYU plays an exciting brand of football. The exposure to BYU, the players who play for BYU, and the unique standards of BYU, are what will motivate some fans to investigate the LDS faith.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    Just The FAX - "BYU is the odds-on favorite to be invited to the Big 12 if/when the Big 12 decides to expand to 12 teams again so they can have a conference championship game."

    It's good you added "IF" to your statement.

    Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said. "Every year we've been in the Big 12 that we've had a vote about the championship game, we've voted against having it." More than ever, Big 12 survival means keeping Texas happy. I don't see a conference championship game coming back.

  • football43 Morgan, UT
    July 13, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    I too have to laugh that "Papa Smurf Ute" bit on Earnst T. Papa, you are a bit late to the party. Earnest is a legend on BYU articles. He makes me laugh whenever he posts.

  • UtahMan4evr Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    One question to those BYU fans who think all the TV games are going to lead to better "exposure": Who besides Mormons who support BYU (and believe me that's not every memeber of the Church) are going to watch them? ESPN is a cable station and even if three million people watch a game,which are great cable numbers, that is still less than 1% of the American population. And who outside of Church members are even going to pay attention to something called BYUTV? ESPN's satellite stations (ESPN 2, etc.) usually have such bad announcing crews that I wouldn't watch the game no matter who played. And those non-members who do watch the games, is there going to be some kind of missionary lesson taking place at half time so they are "exposed" to the Church? No, they're tuned in because they're bored enough to watch BYU football, with all the trash talking, cheap shot behavior BYU has been noted for over the years. BYU sold it's soul for a mess of pottage for "exposure". But enjoy it while you can. Reality will hit hard in September.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    July 13, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Imagine this....Utah ends a season at 11-1 and BYU finishes at 11-1. Who would look better when the Y loses to someone like Texas or Oklahoma and the u has their only loss to BYU!

    Keep us on your schedule u and you will be sure to have that one loss at least every year. Trying to prepare for the pac 12 every week and then your Big Brother will be too much to handle. In the mean time, BYU will look at the game with u as just another game and not anything to worry about. You can claim the pac 10.1.1 all you want but when you lose to BYU every year, it just won't matter.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 13, 2011 1:09 p.m.


    "BYU acted out of desperation going independent in reaction to Utah's situation."

    More jealous Utah fan propaganda.

    BYU has been discussing and planning for the possibility of going independent since the 90's. BYU's state of the art HD television was nearly completed before Utah was even invited to the PAC 12.

    The only thing Utah's move did was act as a catylist for BYU to put into motion plans that had been years in the making.

    Utah fans are simply showing their insecurity by criticizing BYU's move. The BYU haters thought they'd left BYU in their dust, and suddenly, BYU trumped Utah's ace with a move that could easily steal Utah's PAC 12 thunder.

    It's painful for Utah fans to admit, but Utah fans were just beginning to recover from the shock of their PAC 12 debut being played on Versus, when the avalanche of BYU games scheduled on ESPN began.

    For fans that had supposedly "moved on", having EVERY available BYU game broadcast on ESPN is their worst nightmare.

  • RD10 Holladay, UT
    July 13, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Teams will change their schedule and break commitments and conference rules to play on ESPN.
    Nice quote Bronco

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 13, 2011 1:04 p.m.


    Why so bitter, brother? That just can't be healthy, and it reflects poorly on the great state of Texas.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2011 12:53 p.m.


    All of your trash talk about BYU's inability to put together an elite defense is just hot air. Bronco is an excellent DC and this year he has legitimate two-deep talent at every position. This year's Cougar defense is going make you eat your words, you will see.

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    July 13, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Big UteFan

    Be careful when you wave the 2nd best flag. Utah was not the PAC10's first choice! Texas was the first choice! BYU was voted out by two schools in the PAC10 for political reasons. That's OK. The school stands takes a stand and holds firm to principals - refreshing! So, Utah was(is)third - - - appropriate!

    See you on Sept. 17.

  • eljefeBYUfan Denver, CO
    July 13, 2011 12:37 p.m.


    You can mark it down wherever you mark down your "important stuff" and make NO mistake.

    BYU did not act out of desperation in going independent. That's not the way things are done there. Parenthetically, desperation is not the way long-term plans of this magnituded are made in any major institution of higher learning.

    Watch and learn . . .

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 13, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    @Tommy2shoes 11:24 a.m. July13,2011
    It's really rediculous how some of these utey bloggers really think that by attempting to use hate as a catylyst that they fool themselves into thinking that they are impeding BYU's progress in sports. It's got to be the most laughable of all the different avenues attempted.

    And as for your comments on the Southern Baptist anti Mormon approach my father also resembles that remark somewhat and came to the church many years ago through similar Missouri So. Baptist as well as Presbyterian anti Mormon family upbringing. And believe me you can't get any more anti Mormon than Gallatin Missouri was at that time. Gallatin is about 5 miles from Adam Ondi Ahman.

    In fact in 2003 a Baptist minister in Gallatin Missouri actually did our father's side of the family and the Church a big publicity favor by refusing to marry my cousin's daughter when he found out she was marrying a local Mormon boy. They were married at the last minute by the branch president in the newly dedicated LDS chapel in town. Over 600 local non LDS people approvingly attended...and scared the poor BP half to death. Great Story!

  • groy West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    wow! I am happy for BYU and it's fans, but all of a sudden everyone is talking championships? That's a huge stretch. Notre Dame is on NBC every week, but we haven't seen them do anything great for a long time. I think BYU fans need to take a deep breath and actually wait for the team to play some games.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    July 13, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    This is all pretty impressive. And more college football for us to enjoy and our wives to complain.

    Congrats to the Cougars.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 13, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    As an independent, BYU has to win now more than ever and especially against the good teams on the schedule. There is no wiggle room if BYU is going to make it as an independent. Utah is in a much better situation in the PAC 12 with guaranteed money and exposure with the BCS. Getting back to the Y, I do think there is an opportunity here for the Y to make a last ditch pitch to the BIG 12 conference but it all depends on winning. Beating Ole Miss and Texas would certainly help that cause. I don't think going independent is a long term solution for the Y - only a short term opportunity. I know BYU fans would be doing cart wheels if the Y did get an invite to the BIG 12 in the next few years ... it all boils down to winning. Bronco opted out of a long term deal with the Y which is insane in today's volatile climate of college football coaching UNLESS Bronco already has something on the horizon that he can count on. I think if the Y made it to the BIG 12 Bronco would sign a long term deal.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 13, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    ...and outside of the state.... Utah has two dozen fans at best and half of those are still BYU fans first. Dude...your record is severely warped and scratched and can't even get past the first stanza...especially if you aren't allowed to use verbage and a venacular that other blogs allow that the DNews doesn't. You keep referring to the hatred but still can't mount any credible comeback .... and like I said before... If according to you yourself... being hated for athletic prowse and grouped with the likes of USC, UCLA. Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Alabama, Auburn, Texas, Arkansas et.al. and supposedly put up there by people like yourself...even higher than the actual most hated team of all... Oklahoma... then I guess that puts BYU in really good company. In case you are not really aware... Those above named teams that you are attempting to hatedly put BYU above as most hated are the original Big boys that everyone refers to. And you are only among two of those teams in probably only the 4th srongest conference in College football behind the SEC, Big-12, and The Big-10...in that order

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    July 13, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Big ute:
    Play and win in the bcs, then talk, you haven't won a single game. Just riding on the coattails of others. Association isn't everything, just to say you are a part of the gang. I really believe u was the last choice to get the championship game, nothing more. I hope the u does well, really, but play a game and then spout.

    As to the y, they seem to be in charge or their own future, good.

    AS to the Aggies, we are getting better and Anderson will bring us along.

    U play us in basketball, home and home. This thing about a preseason tournament in Salt Lake is not the thing. The u says they lost 2 non conference scheduling games and yet those talk of making a 3 game tournament. Won't work. Same as for football, 2 for 1, 1 for 1, bcs doesn't want to loose every other game.

    My prediction, the bcs will be gone in three years. As others say, "mark it down"

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    "We're going to be able to play anywhere, any time," said Holmoe.

    ..well, except Sunday.

  • MESOUTE Wandering, Earth
    July 13, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    BYU acted out of desperation going independent in reaction to Utah's situation. Now everything they do is to try to justify themselves and their actions. They are in a better situation, but the way the local media is treating the football program, you would think that they are now, as stated, in a universe all their own. It is amusing. I wish them luck.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    As a former SoBap I resemble that remark. The anti-Mormon was certainly evident in my SS teachers (one of whom was a former LDS). After I investigated the LDS Church I joined after truly feeling this was the right place for me. My former SS teachers have joined the Church also. I guess we'll just have to convert more members in the Texas market before we get that invite. I can wait a 1000 years if need be. No hurry. I love the Cougars regardless of affiliation with a conference as long as it has affiliation with the Saints.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 13, 2011 11:20 a.m.


    "BYU will NEVER be in the Big 12.......NEVA!"

    Don't bet the ranch on that short-sighted statement.

    BYU is the odds-on favorite to be invited to the Big 12 if/when the Big 12 decides to expand to 12 teams again so they can have a conference championship game.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 13, 2011 11:05 a.m.


    If stars next to a player's name on some recruiting site were the only determining factor in winning a national championship, why even play the games?

    The fact is, teams loaded with 4- and 5-star athletes lose to teams loaded with 2- and 3-star athletes all the time. Attention to detail and team chemistry make some teams much greater than the sum of their individual players. The opposite is also true; some teams loaded with talent never reach their full potential because they never mesh as a team.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    You think that BYU will ever get a Sanders or a Reavis to play corner for them? HAHAHAHA! Not a chance.....they can't even get a half-baked defensive end or a linebacker from the black community. That is killing BYU on the national scene.....they can't beat top-notch teams anymore......the defense is so slow.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE was gullible enough to think Ernest T is a real fan. The guy is just a Ute fan troll. No real BYU fan expects BYU to win a national championship this year and we all know we have no more access to the BCS than we did last year. That is not what this is about.

    We are celebrating because we can actually watch our teams games and we won't have to watch them on a high school quality broadcast. We have 10 games on national TV and the worldwide leader backing us and our future schedule.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    RE: Uteanymous
    "LDS church leaders would probably be fine with BYU joining the Big 12".

    Simply put, joining a conference is great for the sports fan.
    Going independent is great for the church.

    Let's say "SLC BYU Fan" gets his dream and BYU joins the Big 12.
    9 Conference games
    1 game obligated to Utah
    1 game obligated to Utah State
    1 game "to spread the word".
    In that scenario, exposure is limited to 5 states (KS, MO, OK, TX, UT).

    Under independence, BYU can schedule across the country and have national exposure. For the church, that is a no-brainer. Fans are still getting used to the idea.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Auburn 5 Stars
    Year Off Def
    2007 0 0
    2008 0 1
    2009 0 0
    2010 3 0

    They had a bunch of 3 and 4 stars then added some offensive and maybe a little cash to grease the path.
    So, get us some 5 star offensive and a 3.5 star defense and watch the score board light up.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    The results of the poll show one thing - BYU fans are the one and only true fan base that is 1oo% delusional.

    Experts are split, most thinking BYU has no chance for BCS, but a few notables think the chances are better (some of them say this because they don't have to play Boise State, Utah AND TCU every year).

    Good luck to the cougars, but playing on ESPN is not a symbol of how good your team is, it just represents a lot of mormons who spend their saturdays watching TV despite not knowing much about football. (I sense a reality show coming on here - the real housewives of BYU alumniville)

  • Alterego Ogden, UT
    July 13, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    Oh and I would love to see a Sammy Linebaugh-hosted show on BYUtv notwithstanding her alma mater. She was the only good thing about the mtn.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    BYU will never get an invite from the Big 12. I heard the press conference from the Big 12 chairman after Nebraska left. He stated that inquires were made by BYU. He also said that they were fine with the status of the new conference when approached with a question about BYU's possible invite. It was painful watching him not saying something derogatory about BYU......he surely wanted to......could see it on his face and in the tone of his voice. Now, I can tell you this, as I've lived in the south for nearly 15 years after escaping Utah......Southern Baptists hate the LDS Church. You know, since I lived in the south I have curtailed telling people I'm from SLC, Utah.......I got tired of being made fun of. BYU will NEVER be in the Big 12.......NEVA!

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Five star defensive backs aren't needed to win a NC. Maybe 11 Four stars could do it.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 13, 2011 10:45 a.m.


    You're right, there aren't huge populations of BYU fans on the other five continents, but there are pockets of BYU fans scattered throughout the world.

    BYU will certainly lose some big games on ESPN, but the upside, is ALL of BYU's big wins will aslo be seen on ESPN.

    When Harline is all alone in the endzone, Collie catches a pass on 4th-and-18, or George trots into the endzone while two defensive players are crashing together, the NATION will be watching, instead of those dramatic moments being buried under the MTN.

    Such moments create an indelible impression on fans, because they'll be shown over and over by ESPN SportsCenter and other national media, and will help to build BYU's brand.

    Imagine what Jimmermania would have been like if all of Jimmer's 40-point games and 30-foot shots had been broadcast live.

  • Utah Man Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    @ Rational

    I stand corrected on the Gonzaga Sweet 16 Tournament appearances. They have a nice program, but like I said, what have they ever done comparatively speaking? No Final Four appearances in the modern era, just like byu. I would take UCLA's three straigh Final Four appearances (2006, 2007, 2008) over Gonzaga's five Sweet 16 appearance any day. Put Gonzaga on a road trip to UCLA, and UCLA and see how they perform.

    By the way, byu has one Sweet Sixteen appearance over a 30 year span. I guess that somehow makes the Cougars God's gift to college basketball. You are delusional, just like your entire athletic department and fanbase. I am glad that you have 10 games on the ESPN family of networks this season. Are you ready to be truly exposed?

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    I'm as big a cougar fan as any, but until we get 5 star recruits on defense, there will be no national title. Yeah, maybe if Heaps scores 50 points a game, but even then, you play the big boy schools and the QB has 2 seconds to throw. TCU will be toughest game on schedule.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Bubble Boy, '"And, the BYU PreSeason National Championship banners were all over in Provo again."

    Yes, every preseason BYU pulls out its National Championship banner -- because it has one and can.

    Personally, I will be a little embarrassed for the U when USC comes into town next year and sees those BCS banners. USC has probably been to more Rose Bowls than Utah has had winning seasons. Certainly more Rose Bowls than Utah has bowls. More national titles than Utah has conference titles.

    It is like when the Lakers or Celtics come to down and see Conference Championship banners in ESA, and retired jerseys for players who never made an All-Star team. I'll bet they think those "Conference" banners are cute. I also think they are a bit embarrassed for the Jazz.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Ernest T Bass,

    If you think that the Y will be in the National Title picture this year and every year from here on out, you are sorely mistaken. 1 loss an it is all over. No matter what your schedule is in the future, if you lose 1 game, it is over. You may still make it to a BCS game if you go 11-1 and have a really tough schedule, but no national title, or even in the picture. The Y will have to make at least 1 or 2 BCS games to be considered for a title. Utah, Boise St, and TCU have all done it twice, and TCU did it 2 years in a row, and still did not have a shot. The Y is in a better position, but another title is not going to be coming to Provo again anytime soon.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 13, 2011 10:29 a.m.


    What you're still missing is BYU made the move to independence to escape the unrealistic restrictions of the MTN. LDS church leaders would probably be fine with BYU joining the Big 12 as long as BYU retained rights to rebroadcast games and to broadcast any games not picked up by the Big 12's television partner(s).

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Utah Man:

    "Gonzaga has played in three Sweet 16's since 1999, not five, and they have never advanced any further."
    Check again, dude.
    '99 Elite 8
    '00 16
    '01 16
    '06 16
    '09 16
    Tournament every year.
    Only kept out of the 16 this year by BYU.
    Check your facts before you smack.

    How does that compare to U? How many PAC schools have done as well or better over that period? Two. U are not one.

    What you and others fail to realize is that being IN the "Conference of Champions" does not make a school a champion.

    I repeat, Gonzaga is competitive with all PAC schools in basketball (though they haven't won a championship like Arizona recently and UCLA distantly. UCLA hasn't made the tourney twice in the last ten years, but have made it to the championship game), and is better than 10 of them -- U included. BYU, you may be in denial about, beat Arizona badly the last two years.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    July 13, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Without trying to rain on your parade, Nationally the exposure will be great for BYU as long as they're successful. If they don't win big games though, it will just be exposed. I think this a good thing for the program but, let's be honest. Of the 6 continents that BYU-TV broadcasts to, 5 could care less. But in all fairness, I don't think they care who wins the PAC-12 Championship game in Zimbabwe either.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    BYU might get an offer from the Big 12, but would Church Leaders take it? They have spent a lot of church resources on this move to more exposure. Joining a conference would be a step backwards to that mission.

    Now that is really drinking a bunch of green Kool-aid before trying to turn it into Jello! There is significant speculation that part of the reason Tom Holmoe has not firmed up more of the 2013 schedule is the possibility of a Big-12 invitation, which would be preferable to all BYU sports. Some of the senior brethren might have a hard time with this one, but it will be leaving Utah State further behind as opposed to the no Sunday play rules BYU has. If anything the LDS Churchs decision to drop football in Rexburg has been a reason for a league like the Big-12 to not be so quick to make BYU an invitation. Particularly when some (a minority) senior LDS Church leaders have such an agenda since BYU gave Utha State the shaft 50 years ago!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    mgr63 | 8:44 a.m. July 13, 2011

    "how many people want to see BYU lose?" That is the important figure.......the majority of the viewership watching ESPN telecasts is my bet."

    First of all, if all BYU was shooting for was the BYU audience, they would broadcast intramural sports.

    Second, what you don't understand is that BYU WANTS such viewers. Many LDS converts started out that way. Others are persuaded to investigate the LDS church to find out what the anti's are so worked up about, and later join as a result.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Hey Dutch,

    Actually no, I think the Big 12 or Big East could be a better fit, I think these conferences might be more tolerant with the religious affliation of BYU and the No Sunday Play policy.

  • AggieLuva South Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    This is so big for BYU. I love how Utah fans all just talk about how much money they are getting. They can barely fill their own stadium each week. They will be playing in front of 100K fans at SC. Can you imagine how SC will feel when they have to come to RES to play in front of 30K. SC will walk out and start laughing. Utah needs to gather more fans, other than the typical bandwagon fans who pretend to be fans and build a bigger stadium. I know I will come to games when the Aggies are out of town, to watch the other power house teams. I can't wait until SC come to town and OU. Congrats BYU on getting HUGE exposure! I am very excited for all the new exposure the entire state will be getting!

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    RE: Jeff29 "The problem with bigutefan and others is that they do not understand the mission of BYU Football."

    By "and others" I think you mean Cougar Football Fans. I think fans are struggling with the concept that the LDS Church drove the move to independence for exposure. There are Cougar fans who say its a great idea, but then quickly announce that the Big 12 will add BYU in 2013. The football fan wants that to be true, because then they can say "see Utes? We're in an AQ conference too, but ours is better". Fans are fans, that's understandable.

    BYU might get an offer from the Big 12, but would Church Leaders take it? They have spent a lot of church resources on this move to more exposure. Joining a conference would be a step backwards to that mission.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    Troll Hunter,

    "Conference of Champions"....... More like, "Conference of Chickens"

    And this was the conference you always wanted BYU to join and would be estatic if BYU got an invitation and joined today. Did I get that right?

  • Utah Man Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    @ Rational:

    Gonzaga has played in three Sweet 16's since 1999, not five, and they have never advanced any further. St. Mary's played in the Sweet Sixteen in 2010, and was blown out. Other than that, the WCC will never be more than a two bid league, at best. You cannot be serious when comparing the WCC, small faith based universities, to the Pac-12, large state flagship universities.

    Pac-12 school's qualify for the Sweet 16, Elite 8, and Final Four with regularity and produce even more NBA players. Any high school basketball player worth his salt will attend a Pac-12 school over a WCC school, end of story.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    There will be more Ute fans watching BYU games this year than watching the Utes.

    Its just a lot easier to turn on the tv and see the Cougars every week.

    EVERYONE will want to see how BYU is doing, even U.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 13, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    10 or 11 or 12 games on ESPN - need we say more. Brown was clear that BYU need not win to get on ESPN. BYU is a national brand. BYU has enough fans that ESPN can make money by televising BYU. If ESPN pushes BYU, more people will watch, BYU get more exposure and more money, and ESPN gets more money. Win, win, win.

    ESPN has chosen to televise BYU playing a bunch of WAC teams that never get on ESPN. Why is that? Do they love San Jose? No, they love BYU. Let's all share the love. All of the haters that watch BYU games hoping and praying that BYU loses only improve the ratings and increase the number of games televised. All of the trolls posting on BYU articles only increases the number of articles written about BYU. I love you haters and trolls. Thank-you from the bottom of my heart. Go Cougars!

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    From the Article: "Some conferences are considering or have instituded rules against late season non-conference game scheduling"

    Yes, only the PAC 10.2 has instituded this rule for their schools just recently.

    "Conference of Champions"....... More like, "Conference of Chickens"

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 13, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Martians decide not to invade Earth now that they can watch their favorite College Football team on ESPN. President Obama decides not to run for re-election citing his opponents unfair advantage of being an alumni of Martians' favorite team. HAL predicts Cougars to go undefeated for the rest of this century. Captain Kirk warps around the Sun to bring the Enterprise's entire crew to see game of the Century between Notre Dame and BYU for the NC on ship's big screen. Aliens abduct silly reporter from DN for inane story.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 13, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    "Smack talk from provo has grown very weak."

    Glad you see that. We don't need to smack talk anyone. Our program is moving into an amazing direction. Life with ESPN will be great and the Church can get the exposure it's looking for. That is the main goal. Things like winning games, getting better recruits, and getting more money are only secondary. BYU shouldn't need to put down any other program when theirs is heading higher and higher up. It's exciting! I'm glad I grew up a BYU fan because it's a really fun time to be one.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    July 13, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    BYU has maybe 2 million fans worldwide, at best???????? My question is......."how many people want to see BYU lose?" That is the important figure.......the majority of the viewership watching ESPN telecasts is my bet.......just read ALL the various sports boards......it is evident.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 13, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Congrats to BYU. It really is phenominal. But with all the missionaries and Mission Presidents all over the world sitting in their living quarters and watching BYUtv day and night who is going to go out and do the real missionary work? I guess the sister missionaries will have to because most of them probably don't like sports.

  • Bubble Boy Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    Too much blue kool-aid! I'm getting a headache. I noticed the quest T-shirts were out in full force yesterday. And, the BYU PreSeason National Championship banners were all over in Provo again.


  • Flames6 North Salt Lake, UT
    July 13, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    If the team loses 6 or 7 games and looks bad doing so, this will really backfire. Of course this could never happen. Anyone who says Utah will be a perennial PAC12 cellar dweller never put any thought into what could happen to BYUs "national brand." I can't wait for mid October to see who is happy and who is making excuses.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    July 13, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    bigutefan -- Running in second place at this point in the process is nothing at which to sneer. What were your expectations? BYU would be invited to the 2011 BCS championship at yesterday's event?

    May I suggest you swallow your sour grapes and allow the season to unfold?

    Jealousy is expected at the attention BYU received yesterday, which certainly overshadowed Utah's entry into the PAC Whatever. That doesn't become anyone. What was seen yesterday might be akin to a team in the old Division 1-AA moving up to a BCS conference and playing for the national title the same year (well, maybe not quite that extreme, but you get the message).

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 13, 2011 7:09 a.m.

    @ bigutefan,

    You wish!

    But, thanks for being a BYU fan, anyway. Nice to see you post so much on your hated rival's articles. Shows you really care about us.

    Kinda why BYU will be getting more eyes on its games than the Utes will, regardless of TV scheduling.

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    July 13, 2011 6:50 a.m.

    @ bigutefan,

    Keep spinning it the way you like to see it. BYU is taking a backseat to NO ONE. Have you ever heard "Second to none"? If you say that BYU is second, then what does that mean about the u? That's right, they are NONE, ZERO, NATTA, ZIP, ZELCH.

    Enjoy your "Conference of Champions". Too bad the Champions will continue to be USC, Oregon, Stanford, etc. The runn'n utes will continue to be in the running, but will never make it.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2011 6:37 a.m.

    BigUte, no one, and I mean, no one knows the value of BYU's deal because much of the value is in exposure. Ever seen one of those "From the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints -- the Mormons" ads? They spend money to put those on. How many of those do you think they get to run for free on BYUtv.

    The value of BYU's deal vs Utah's deal is pretty much a wash, I'd bet.

    As to lesser league. Several WCC sports -- not all, but several -- are as competitive as the PAC, and some WCC teams, Gonzaga with 5 sweet 16's since '99, are as good as any in the PAC, and better than most. The PAC is better than WCC in track and probably baseball, and BYU will be better than Utah in track, and remain competitive in baseball.

    Other than gymnastics and skiing, BYU is equal to, competitive with or better than Utah in every sport, and will remain so.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 13, 2011 5:35 a.m.

    Brother...you have no conceptual idea of what Utah is walking into on September 10th at Memorial Collosium. There's a big difference to being in with the big boys....or playing with the big boys and being... one of the big boys. That wakeup call is less than 2 months away and utey's are going to get thier heads served to them on a platter. Welcome to the new dark ages utey's whether it's not being on tv or not winning much of anything for at least several generations.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2011 1:13 a.m.

    Now it is time to focus on playing on the field! Lets play ball! Go Cougars!

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    July 13, 2011 1:03 a.m.

    The problem with bigutefan and others is that they do not understand the mission of BYU Football. It is truely about exposure; money is secondary (remember, when BYU built all of their new facilities a few years ago, it was done with donations). From a fans perspective, I won't deny that it would be exciting to see a PAC 12 schedule every year and an opportunity to go 9-3 and still play in a BCS game, but I don't think that is how the University thinks about it. Like it or not, the football program is just one piece of the missionary arm of the Church.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    July 12, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    BYU did the best that they could do, so congrats.

    But it still really reads like 2nd place.

    1st place is being invited to join a BCS league and become a BCS team all the while earning 22 million in TV revenue on national TV (Fox)


    2nd place, 8 million contract with ESPN (cable channel), not a BCS team, not in a BCS league, scheduling conflicts, involved with several other lesser leagues for other sports, confusing chaos.

  • Alterego Ogden, UT
    July 12, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    Best part about today was no Todd Christensen or his dictionary :)
    seriously though, it looked soooo much better than anything the Mtn. has produced...since ever. Great personalities great voices great production! I am also actually looking forward to the game broadcast by byutv.

  • Brettski2024 Concord, CA
    July 12, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    Smack talk from provo has grown very weak. Congrats to the cougs though, leaving the MWC was a much needed move.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    July 12, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    As was said in the movie, Field of Dreams, "Build it, and they will come".

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    July 12, 2011 10:53 p.m.

    ND and AL are good company. Yes ND does have a better arrangement. However, BYU is off to a great start.

    There is some hand wringing over playing in the Armed Services Bowl unless BYU is undefeated. Give it some time and BYU will get some great bowl tie ins in the longer run.

    BYU's biggest problem is going to be over scheduling and creating too hard of a schedule. BSU still has the right formula but they no longer have the TV coverage.

    BYU should be able to get at least one game in the Jerry Dome each year and that is a big payoff. Even if BYU loses some games along the way ESPN can still cast them as spoilers against BCS conf leaders.

    Cup cake games can be dropped and replaced with BYU if the payout is good enough. BCS conference leaders would schedule BYU if they were not in the running for the NC. A non conference loss to BYU would not affect their shot at a BCS bowl as long as they won their conference.

    Expect BYU to get rescheduled during some years by ESPN match making.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    July 12, 2011 10:49 p.m.


    How many Utah games are on national TV this year? I mean, besides the one on ESPN that gets broadcast because you are playing BYU.

  • CocoNutzz Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2011 10:32 p.m.

    Great time to be a Cougar. Rise and Shout!!!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 12, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Sorry to break the news to you. All Notre Dame games are on TV this year. Same for Alabama and others if you look. ESPN is not the only network that broadcasts nationally.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 12, 2011 9:18 p.m.

    It was an incredible day. If nothing else BYU showed it can get on tv anytime, anywhere. My favorite part of the day was the round table (which I couldn't watch live, so I went to BYU tv and watched it online!) discussion with Young, Detmer, Edwards, Matich... Man, this is going to be awesome.

    The players are definitely excited to have this chance to play on national tv all the time. They are not taking this lightly. It is mind boggling the media footprint BYU made today and will in the future.

    Best announcement of the day...Four channels of ESPN are back on campus!!

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    July 12, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    If only it was!!!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 12, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    We should be in the national title hunt pretty much every year from now on most years.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 12, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    I thought Bronco was especially eloquent today. He didn't shy away from the tough topics. He was funny at times. He has the University's and athlete's best interest at heart. He blamed no one but himself for their record last year. What a class act!

    I was also impressed with Jake Heaps and Matt Reynolds in their interviews. Their poise with the microphone was evident and their leadership was obvious. Heaps will be a magnet for the cameras, just like Jimmer was. Networks would rather interview an athlete who has his act together and responds humbly yet confident than the athletes who are selling their wears for tattoos, arrested for armed robbery, or . . .

    I really thought when BYU announced their partnership with ESPN originally that we would have the minimum number of games per contract on ESPN / ESPN2. Who would have ever thought we would have 10 with most of them on ESPN and ESPN2.

    And to hear ESPN talk about the schedule . . . their comment was that 2011 and 2012 would be the most difficult and it would get easier every year with plenty of teams from the ACC and Big East willing to play in Oct and November.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    July 12, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    This is GREAT!

    10 Games on ESPN Networks!

    BYU has arrived!

  • RobSing Minneapolis, MN
    July 12, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    BYU is in a different universe? I wonder if it's the same Universe that that secret silly planet that can only be seen from Utah is in?

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    With what BYU is planning with exposure and getting their brand out there, ALIENS will be wearing BYU attire!!

  • VegasBart N. Las Vegas, NV
    July 12, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    Have to admit. This whole set up for BYU is pretty impressive. Still like the MWC (not TV deal) but best wishes to BYU and Utah. I hope our paths do cross every now and then in the future.

  • TMung99 Bluffdale, Utah
    July 12, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    How sweet it is to go onto byutv.org in Europe and watch the entire media day + classic BYU games!

    Oh how great it is to be a Cougar!

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 12, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    WOW, that is all that can be said: WOW! 10 games on ESPN's family of stations, w/ a yet to be announced game at OSU? Which will likely end up on FSN or Versus (heaven forbid), not to mention a 12th for the bowl game? Name one school in the history of College Football, has been on TV for all 13 games? Huh? I can't hear you...why? Because it has never happened. Did BYU's move to independence make sense? Especially to all you naysayers out there, especially the BYU haters in our midst...And you all got sick of Jimmer-mania...

    Yes, we all know, you gotta win baby...and win they will. All of their games? Certainly not, but could they? Yes, anything is possible. Heck, I'd be tickled pink w/ a 10 win season this year, and with alot of this year's team returning for the 2012 season, brace yourselves Cougar fans out there, the next 2-3 years will be something you'll never forget!

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    July 12, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    Hopefully the Holy War stays as salty and full of amazing endings as it has the last several years so that the nation can fully enjoy the good thing we have going here in Utah now that we aren't hidden on the mtn any longer. Likely to be showcased on ESPN from here on out!

    Congrats on the exposure, Cougs.

    Go Utes!

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    July 12, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    USC who? Auburn who? Utah who? Colorado who? Ohio State who? Boise State who? Missouri who?


  • lordandrew1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    Just as it was a great day to be a Ute fan on PAC-12 Day, today was a great day to be a Cougar fan! Despite the absence to specific scheduling announcements, today was by no means a letdown. I hope BYU's Media Day becomes such a spectacle for us Cougar fans!

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    July 12, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    10 games on ESPN...It just keeps getting better! I can now watch BYU and discuss the games with my local friends who will no doubt watch them too. BYU and ESPN grew up together and I am glad to see the two back together. The MTN was a black hole but now I feel like BYU has stepped back into the light.