@Calgaryi dont want to label anyone a bust till they've actually
played for at least 2 years...Most people here posted Hayward was a bust
pick...and look what he did...took command at the final games...where teams are
vying for a playoff spot...played honest d on Kobe...scored 22 pts and was the
catalyst of the offense during that 4th quarter....right now...all these
rookies...have potential...you wont really know till they actually played...or
come to practice with the team...give him at least 2 years...everyone gave CJ 6
Roy's knees are fine? Oh, I didn't know that having no cartilage in the knee
meant the knee is fine, LOL! He is done. Why else would Portland give Wes
Matthews the largest 2nd year player contract of all-time to replace Roy?By the way, Durant and Roy don't play the same position. Your arguments
are weak and pointless as always.
Yes Valanciunous is putting up monster numbers in the world U19, but I don't
think he's gone up against any NBA prospects yet either, he is literally the
only top prospect playing in this tournament; I think everyone expected him to
win the MVP. Valanciunous's stats against Euroleague players are much more
telling. The fact that Koufos won MVP in the Euro U 18 (which is in
fact a very similar tournament as far as talent level goes) should give one
pause. And just because Jonas is doing well doesn't mean Kanter will fail. I'd
love to see the 2 match up again in the real world championships.
Calgary: I watched those HS videos, they can be troublesome but it doesn't sound
like that is how he plays in practice or for his countries teams. I would rather
be optomistic than pesimistic unless there is recent evidence to prove
otherwise. All the recent comments by coaches , scouts, players (UK)would lead
to him being a hard worker, skilled, and a winner. Just because you like Jonas,
doesn't mean you can't like Kanter and hope for the best with him. I like Jonas
too and hope he succeeds but now Kanter is with the Jazz I hope they made the
right choice and Kanter continues to dominate like he did for his teams in
Turkey. There is no reason to believe he can't.
Captain L I base my comments on the games I saw from his High school in 2010.
Watch Youtube videos "Enes Kanter defensive breakdown" and
"offensive breakdown" - No effort, no defense, consantly outplayed and
outhustled by smaller kids, lots of airballs and missed dunks. If he turns on
intensity for the games like Nike Summit ( which is show off game with no real
meaning so it is useless in evaluation) or workouts to sell himself it tells me
he is not giving 100% every time he steps on the floor. High school or NBA you
should be playing hard. It just condusing to me to read all the praise from Jazz
coaching and scouting staff when videos shows complete opposite. Hopefuly I am
wrong but call me a big pesimist when it comes to Kanter. Add lockout in
equation and my pesimism grows even more.
Dr.Truth... Koufos played in Euro U18 this is World U19 which is different as we
have USA, Argentina and other strong teams from all world. Give JV props,
21.5pts, 14.9 reb, and 3.7 blk, 84% FT shooting is very good - MVP of the
tourney again for sure.
Kanter is not going to tear up in Eurobasket as he is not going to get
minutes... no way 19 year old kid will take away minutes from older countrymen
from Turkey team, especially after not playing basketball for a year. I hope I
am wrong but Kanter has all signs of bust written all over. By the way Koufos
was bigger them Kanter when Jazz drafted him - had body and height to play and
yet he suffered major confidence blow after sitting in Sloan's doghouse and
never was able to show what he can do. Kanter outplayed JV in one game
2 years ago... JV was way smaller and skinier at that time.. in other game it
was 22 pts to 20 pts so very close I would say. It would be nice if Turkey would
be playing in this World championship to see how that would turn out now... to
bad they had such a bad team that did not make qualification.
Jonas is tearing up the U19 championships.......didn't Koufos tear up the U19 or
U18 championships?? that worked out well. If Kanter tears up the Eurobasket
versus NBA players/professional adults then maybe that would somewhat translate.
Kanter has a NBA body today. Jonas-probably needs to put on a few
pounds like Koufos did. Can he?????????
Calgary, you have nothing to base your comments on other than the fact he hasn't
played in alot of games. The games he has played in he was great. Why the
negative attitude towards the kid? KOC and staff seem to think he can be very
good and has the skills, toughness and work ethic they want in a player.Give the Kid a chance, when he did match up against Jonas, he out played him.
I like Jonas, I like his motor and attitude but Kanter has more advanced skills
and more bulk to bang down low. Until proven otherwise, I'll trust the Jazz FO ,
that they did their homework and took the player they think will end up being
the best player.
Kanter is not going to see lots of minutes in that tourney, he will be third
option behind Asik and Erden. And I agree with PTB that Kanter unfortunately is
overrated... Jazz missed on great pick Jonas Valanciunas who is tearing up in
World U19 championship now leading everybody by big margin in pts, reb and blk.
Read recent tweets from Draftexpress - steal of the draft by far!
The new CBA should fix the only advantage POR has over Utah. That would be POR's
MS money. Keep shuffling players and GMs, you might luck out one of these years.
In the mean time Utah is implementing a plan that will result in a
contender. It may take another 2 years but it will happen. Kanter is a
reasonable risk. Bigs are risky. Utah has Favors and Kanter, one or both are
going to be very good to great. In the meantime Utah has Millsap who
a lot of teams want and AJ who should be vastly improved (based on his play in
the last month of the season). Utah also has Hayward and Burks with
more lotto picks to come. The Utah problems fix over the next year or two. POR? well they appear to have bad Karma. Maybe if they quit hijacking
players from the Jazz things will go better for them? Utah is a
couple of players away from contending. Let's see if Harris adjusts, and if the
3 point shooting and defense improve. I expect all 3 areas to
improve. And the Jazz rookies will improve.
Roy's knee is fine, thanks for wondering.And no, i'm not made at
KOC, besides Utah doesn't even have Williams anymore anyways, how did he work
out for the Jazz anyways? Is he still on the roster?Roy was already
on the team, so why would they select Durant? Of course they would go for the
big man in Oden, duh. Every GM would've too if they were in POR's situation.P.S. - thanks for Wesley Matthews, us Blazer fans love him!
"In 2009, Kanter earned MVP honors (186 ppg, 16.4 rpg) while leading Turkey
to a third-place finish at the FIBA Europe Under-19 Championship."Wow! 186 points per game! He is good!
I think Portland from Sandy is still mad that KOC worked Portland's GM in that
trade in 05 that brought DWill to Utah instead of Portland. If Portland's GM
would have taken Williams or CP3 maybe Kanter would be going to them instead. I
would be a disgruntled fan too if my team's GM passed on Kevin Durrant, and
either DWill or CP3 for Webster and Oden. Can you imagine what the
Jazz would look like if we had got stuck drafting Martell Webster? Scary. Is he
even in the league anymore? I for one would like to thank Portland for helping
the future of the Jazz look so bright.Re Portland: It's too bad
about Roy's knees, looks like the Trail Blazzers are in for another long
Enes has to be a fine young man. He came to the USA for education and
basketball. Even after being ruled ineligible by the NCAA he stayed in school at
UK, turning down European Pro dollars. The NCAA still considered him a UK
Basketball Player. They counted his credit hours and GPA as if he were an active
player. Most of us UK fans believe the NCAA wanted him to return to Turkey, so
they could penalize UK with lost scholarships.. He fooled them by having a
better than 3 point average. We also believe had he gone to Wash. U, Duke or any
NCAA preferred school, the $33,000 his Dad received for education expenses would
not have been a problem. It's a good thing Cam Newton, Josh Selby, or Cory
Magette didn't go to UK, or we and they would be suspended forever.
Portland Trail Blazers | 12:05 p.m. July 7, 2011 Sandy, UT You
guys know all about over rated, Greg Oden hahaha
RE: Portland Trail BlazersThanks for the expert input. I will
cancel my Jazz tickets because of your input. But just wondering....how much
have you seen him play? I have not seen him, at all. What does color have to
do with it?
My husband told me that while we were at the gym this morning he saw on the TV
monitor that Deron Williams will be playing for Turkey as well. Any confirmation
Great! Experience is needed and he should get plenty playing in these
tournaments. Of course there is a possibility of injury, but isn't there that
everyday in everyones lives? These young men need conditioning as well as
experience so I believe it is a plus-plus! Good luck Enes. You are making the
right decision because of the potential for a "lost" season in the NBA
Nobody cares. Just another white player for the Jazz. Nothing new, nothing
special. If Jazz fans honestly think he's the answer and prayer to
change the Utah franchise, well, they're in for a BIG surprise. He is not. He's
If something is not done soon.... All NBA players are going to be playing in
Turkey. Or elsewhere. If they reach an agreement simular to the disaster that
already happened and if history repeats itself. I will find another hobby.
I agree that getting Kanter some quality minutes against many of the best
players in the world will be the best thing he can do for himself. The
potential to get hurt is always part of the game. This is a teenager who needs
development. Go Turkey!
the thing i worry about remember a few years back the kid from spain we drafted
instead of parker got injured in a home spain summer game and was never the
same. is the jazz protected if kanter hurts his kness or such. but good luck, i
love the picks this year. hope we get the strick settled. also next year is
supposed to have some great players.thanks.
This should be good for Kanter, the World Championships are the next highest
level of play in the world, if he can do well there he should be able to do well
in the NBA. Hopefully this wont be the last time in the next year we get to see
him play.If Kanter has a breakout performance, then we have probably
seen the last of Milsap in a Jazz uniform. Re Anonigma: I wouldn't
be surprised if NBA TV caries the tournament, they carried a few Euroleague
championship games last season, ESPN 360 also might carry it.
"In 2009, Kanter earned MVP honors (186 ppg, 16.4 rpg) while leading Turkey
to a third-place finish at the FIBA Europe Under-19 Championship."186 ppg is pretty darn good. He definitely should have been the number 1 pick
with that stat alone. Oh wait, that was in Europe so it would be metric system.
Divide by 10 and it's 18.6 which sounds more reasonable.
Would be good to Kanter play against some quailty competition. Hope he players
well and we get to see to how good or what areas Enes can improve on
Anywhere to watch this online? Don't think we'll be seeing any NBA action for
quite a while...