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  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 6, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    With the addition of BYU the WCC will be a regular 2 tourney bid league. The MWC minus BYU and Utah will probably be the same.

    The MWC has larger arenas but plays on the Mtn. The WCC has smaller arenas but plays on ESPN.

    The MWC gives permanent home court advantage in its conference tournament to one team. The WCC's conference tournament is played on a true neutral court.

    The MWC includes travel destinations like Laramie and Albuquerque. The WCC includes travel destinations like Malibu and San Francisco.

    Obviously, the basketball program is being sacrificed for the football program but I really dont see it as much of a sacrifice. The way I see it the move to the WCC is at worst a draw. Personally, I would prefer to see BYU playing on ESPN even if it is in front of smaller crowds for those 8 conference away games. The only other thing that really matters in college basketball is making it to the NCAA tournament and the Cougars will have just as much opportunity to do that in the WCC as they would if they stayed in the MWC.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 5, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    It was great to see Coach Rose in the Freedom Festival parade yesterday as the Grand Marshall. Everyone loved him!

    Can't wait to SEE these games this coming season!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 4, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    Owl

    Try to think outside the box. You don't have to have a dish to watch BYUtv, it is streaming live in HD on the internet. Yes, the worldwide web.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 4, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    Owl

    I have no problem being honest. Where did you read about CNN and MTV being number one in China. My assertion comes from information given to us by the AD at BYU; and yes, I believe him, not you.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 4, 2011 10:24 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica

    I've found that it's easier to watch football and/or basketball when it's actually on TV. Which BYU football and basketball will be. And Utah football and basketball won't be.

    BTW, good call on the deal with Texas. It's over 20 years, which is around 15 million a year...curiously close to the 12-15 million a year that BYU is estimated to be receiving for their ESPN deal.

    But you're right, it is for a longer period of time, so there is that :)

    Keep running your mouth, Owl...it keeps us entertained :)

    Go Cougars!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 4, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    Skywalker.
    ESPN just signed a $300 million dollar TV deal with Texas. You are right. It leaves no doubt who has the most drawing power. And its not BYU.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 4, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    Owl

    "BYU TV is a niche market after thought for BYU fans only..."

    BYU fans AND BYU's opponent's fans -- which will lead to more and more casual fans tuning in to watch BYU football on BYUtv. Don't be too surprised when BYU games on BYUtv consistently outdraw Utah games on the PAC 12 channel.

    ESPN, the Worldwide Leader, left no doubt which team they think has the most drawing power when they scheduled SEVEN BYU games for 2011, but completely ignored the Utes, except for their game at BYU.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 4, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    Cougars1 said:

    "For someone who likes to bag on BYUtv, you sure don't know much about it. You called it a niche market. Correction, it is a major channel; in fact, it is the most watched foreign channel in China. Yes, that's right, someday we may see little kids in China wearing their BYU gear. BTW, your jealousy is starting to turn into an obsession; right up there with Hedge, Chris, and Howard."

    Obsession? How about being honest Cougars1.
    Sorry. Satellite TV is illegal in China. Its only legal for select viewers there and were the Commies say that hotels can have it. Yet people are getting dishes anyway.
    CNN and MTV are the most watched foreign TV in China. Not far behind is some channel from Korea. If BYU was the most watched foreign network in China, BYU would be bragging about it. Yeah some people are watching it on TV and internet. But its not #1.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, WA
    July 4, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    I Still Can't Say It | 12:00 a.m. July 3, 2011
    Holladay, UT
    "Hoops Haven" ... really??

    When's the last tine a WCC team ever won anything??
    ---

    San Diego and Portland beat the Utes last year.

    So by definition you're saying beating the Utes isn't that big of a deal?

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 4, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    Owl

    Though I can't speak for other BYU fans, I have never spoken out of both sides of my mouth. BYU will have more exposure....to those who want to watch the games; whether they are a BYU fan or not. If someone does not want to watch a BYU game, why should I care? That is the exposure I care about.

    Maybe I am the exception, but this is one fan who is happy for the extra money. I know the guys who do the athletic budget, and they appreciate it as well. No apologies.

    If you are going to accuse me of talking out of both sides of my mouth, then you better back it up.

    For someone who likes to bag on BYUtv, you sure don't know much about it. You called it a niche market. Correction, it is a major channel; in fact, it is the most watched foreign channel in China. Yes, that's right, someday we may see little kids in China wearing their BYU gear. BTW, your jealousy is starting to turn into an obsession; right up there with Hedge, Chris, and Howard.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 4, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    Cougar_Independence said:
    "@knight owl

    "BYU TV is a niche market after thought for BYU fans only. There are plenty of other games on ESPN that Jim Bob will watch."

    BYU Tv is available on over 500 cable systems, nationwide. Also on both Direct TV and Dish Network. 50 Million+ homes in north America. BYU TV is available here in Omaha, NE on Cox Cable on the basic cable package.

    Now, that's enough focus on BYU. How about Utah basketball games? What channel will Utah be playing on? Pac12 network doesn't exist yet. My guess, none! Utah = Washington state Jr. Utah will get the worst time slots, and no television exposure, and the program as a whole will sit in the bottom of the pac12 for many years to come.

    Overall advantage = BYU."

    Not everyone gets BYU TV to begin with. And BYU won't be the only school on TV buckaroo. The world does not revolve around the cougar football program and its mighty WAC schedule.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 4, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    shaybo said:

    "Hold on there Night Owl, BYU channel comes on with every dish or directv package.'

    Right. And how many people will watch it other than BYU football fans? Not everyone has a dish or Direct TV.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 4, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    Cougars1 said:

    "Owl

    Despite the fact that you are wrong, I could care less. I really don't see what point you are trying to make."

    Will the real BYU fans please raise your hand!

    First you talk about how BYU has all this great TV coverage to watch across the county. And then you don't care if others watch other than yourself. In the end it won't matter if the kitty cats don't win.

    And then the same fans say that the move to independence is not about the money. But then talk about millions in bowl payouts that have not even happened yet.

    Is there any shame in BYU land besides talking out of both sides of your mouth?

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 4, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    KamUte

    "Keep telling yourself that the WCC is small-time b-ball when BYU is on national TV for every game and Utah can't be seen anywhere, when BYU is in the top 20 again and Utah is still losing to the bottom teams in the conference you're calling small-time and BYU is in the NCAA tournament again and Utah has a losing season...again."

    *******

    I noticed you didn't question any of the rest of my statement other than every game being on national tv. I guess that means that you agree with the rest of the statement? By the way, what does 1984 and Van Halen have to do with anything being discussed here? I guess you didn't have anything else valid to add so you decided to ramble.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    July 4, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Gonzaga, BYU, St Mary's....these are current Big Time Basketball concerns.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    July 4, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    At Mountaingoat

    I hadn't realized that every game is on national television. Can you show us the schedule as we are excited to see it? We would love to see "all" the games on national television. It's simply not true. It might be your wish. Do you think they will replay the 2010 BYU vs. Utah game or USU or Florida State. Why does BYU always win on kbyu? Why can't we go back to 1984? The best thing about 1984 was Van Halen?

    The WCC is small time hoops. Your team is good but stepped down. My team may be bad now but stepped up.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    July 4, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    Hold on there Night Owl, BYU channel comes on with every dish or directv package.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 4, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    re: Cougar_Independence | 1:02 p.m. July 4, 2011

    There was a time when Ute Hoops was flavor of the month here in the beehive state & The Marriott Center could have been mistaken for a tomb.

    What's your point?

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 4, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    I Still Can't Say It | 11:24 a.m. July 4, 2011
    Holladay, UT
    Just a friendly reminder....

    The basketball team from Provo is moving to the WCC ... not the ACC.

    One is a hoops haven. One is not.

    I think you can figure out which one is the "hoops haven" and which is the very small-time basketball league with tiny stadiums.

    *******

    Keep telling yourself that the WCC is small-time b-ball when BYU is on national TV for every game and Utah can't be seen anywhere, when BYU is in the top 20 again and Utah is still losing to the bottom teams in the conference you're calling small-time and BYU is in the NCAA tournament again and Utah has a losing season...again.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 4, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    @knight owl

    "BYU TV is a niche market after thought for BYU fans only. There are plenty of other games on ESPN that Jim Bob will watch."

    BYU Tv is available on over 500 cable systems, nationwide. Also on both Direct TV and Dish Network. 50 Million+ homes in north America. BYU TV is available here in Omaha, NE on Cox Cable on the basic cable package.

    Now, that's enough focus on BYU. How about Utah basketball games? What channel will Utah be playing on? Pac12 network doesn't exist yet. My guess, none! Utah = Washington state Jr. Utah will get the worst time slots, and no television exposure, and the program as a whole will sit in the bottom of the pac12 for many years to come.

    Overall advantage = BYU.

    Go Cougars!

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 4, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    @bigutefan

    "The old MWC had UTAH, BYU, UNLV, SDSU, and New Mexico has top powers."

    Utah is a top power? How many games did Utah win last year? Utah hasn't had anything on the basketball court worth respecting since 2004!

    Let's call a spade a spade, Utah's basketball program is in shambels, BYU's program has won 4 conference championships in'the last 5 years, and 5 consecutive NCAA tournament appearances. College basketball in Utah is dominated by BYU.

    Utah got jimmered this year in SLC (BYU puts up 100+ points!)

    Go Cougars!

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 4, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    re: TrollPolice | 1:29 a.m. July 3, 2011

    UCLA's title were more recent than USF's and they won 7 in a row at one point.

    Ask yourself who won the 1997 NCAA hoops title?

  • Stackhouse paradise, nv
    July 4, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Competition wise the WCC is a step down from the MWC. TV exposure wise it is a step up.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 4, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Just a friendly reminder....

    The basketball team from Provo is moving to the WCC ... not the ACC.

    One is a hoops haven. One is not.

    I think you can figure out which one is the "hoops haven" and which is the very small-time basketball league with tiny stadiums.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    July 4, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    WCC a hoops haven? Is this a joke?

    Besides Gonzaga, who else has done anything in b-ball?

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    July 4, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Does anyone out there REALLY believe the BCS as we know it today will remain intact for more than another couple of years??? Pressure from the DOJ is going to bring major changes before too much longer. So all the BCS garbage/corruption will be ancient history by the year 2014. Mark my words.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 4, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Owl

    Despite the fact that you are wrong, I could care less. I really don't see what point you are trying to make.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 4, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    The WCC is actually in better markets than the MWC. Anything West Coast is better than Laramie, Albuquerque, Ft. Collins, Colorado Springs or SLC as far as size. If BYU can get some games in bigger arenas, I'll bet they could fill them. Cox arena in San Diego, Cow Palace in San Jose, Rose Garden in Portland and Spokane Arena would make for fun arenas.

    The WCC has some of the most beautiful campuses in the world. Wait til you see Pepperdine and San Diego right on the ocean.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 4, 2011 7:56 a.m.

    BYU ranked 6th Nationally in Attendance in 2010-11 with 18,714 per game.

    BYU even ranked 10th Nationally, when you add in Road and Neutral site games, demonstrating BYU's appeal even on the road.

    The WCC ranked 15th as a Conference in attendance last year, out of 31 Conferences, plus Independents.

    If you were to factor in BYU's Home Attendance average of 2010-11 to the WCC Attendance totals of 2010-11, the WCC would have been the 8th ranked Conference Nationally in attendance, just behind....."The Pac 10 Conference."

    BYU's addition to the WCC improves the League in more ways than one..

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 4, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica,

    El-wrong-O ... again.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    July 4, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    Did Utah even draw more than 6,000 fans per game the last few seasons? Oh, please Ute man, post the season averages!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 4, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica
    "I doubt the same Jim Bob will go over and turn on a computer to watch BYU TV."

    First, I'm really not that interested in what Jim Bob is watching. Call me selfish, but I'm more concerned with what I'm watching. And I now have access to watch most Cougar FB and BB games. That's more than the fans of most other universities can claim.

    Second, 55 million household don't need to turn on their computer to get BYUtv, they already get it through their cable or satellite provider. How many households get the PAC-12 TV Network?

    Third, you're right the average Jim Bob probably won't seek out BYU games, just like I don't seek out average PAC10 games. But fans of opposing WCC teams will come to know BYUtv, and if there's some buzz (i.e. the next Jimmermania) the average Jim Bob will come to know BYUtv in HD.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 3, 2011 11:58 p.m.

    atl134

    "...the fact that we lost ONLY 2 of the 3 shows it's a pretty lousy conference."

    Wow, beating the 6th place team in the WCC, Pepperdine(12-21) 67-60 at home, is so impressive!

    What this really shows is how pathetic Utah is, not how lousy the WCC is.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    July 3, 2011 11:58 p.m.

    Wow, so desperate of a title, Hoops Haven, ha! I feel bad for the fans of the team in Provo, they don't know what league they are in, and what sport where, it is like a bomb went off leaving a huge mess. WCC has two teams. The old MWC had UTAH, BYU, UNLV, SDSU, and New Mexico has top powers, Rice can pretend all he wants that the league is going to be really great, the truth is it is awfully weak. Interesting how this so-called religious WCC conference played their tournament on a Sunday. But changed it, that is really why nobody is ever going to invite somebody to the big boy table.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    Hold on there Cougars1. This is where BYU fans get all excited and stretch reality. Great!!! BYU home games will be on TV. Thats why I pointed out the agreement. ESPN and BYU TV are two different worlds. Average Jim Bob sitting on the couch will flip channels to watch a game. And will probably turn to ESPN if a BYU game is on. I doubt the same Jim Bob will go over and turn on a computer to watch BYU TV. Especially if they are not loyal BYU homers with it on Direct TV to begin with. BYU TV is a niche market after thought for BYU fans only. There are plenty of other games on ESPN that Jim Bob will watch.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 3, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    This coming football and basketball seasons are going to be great...I will not have to worry about which team to watch on TV.

    I will watch BYU and then later I can read about Utah since they won't be on TV much...on TV and in the sports section.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 3, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    If I was a U basketball fan, I would do everything I could to keep a low profile.

    U ridicule the size of WCC arenas, yet you do not support your own team and more fans show up at McKeon Pavilion to support the St Mary's Gaels than show up at the HC.

    U diminish the level of competitition, yet you lost 4 of 5 games to WCC teams last year (BYU inclued).

    U had a mass exodus and lost most of your team.

    There's a good chance U may not win any conference games next year. But I think U should pick up a couple of wins against Adams State and San Diego Christian.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 3, 2011 9:17 p.m.

    Owl
    In an interview with 1320, WCC commissioner had this to say.

    Q: Where will the rest of the games be that are not on ESPN?

    We have great regional partners. 80% of our games last year were on regional or national television. The BYU home games that arent selected on ESPN will be on BYUtv. Gonzaga games that arent cleared will be picked up by Root Sports, the former Fox Sports West. Each of our schools have a partner that will take most of their home networks usually Comcast or Cox. Those feeds are shared by region. We plan on getting all games to all BYU fans. I dont see anything but growth.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 3, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    Nightowl

    It does not say in the article that some BYU games will not be shown. Nice try.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2011 8:55 p.m.

    Cougars1 said:

    "Night Owl

    Dig a little deeper. That is all the athletic department has been talking about; the ability of BYUtv to pick up whatever games ESPN does not. Hide and watch. The proof will come this winter when BYU fans are able to watch ALL BYU games. Why don't reference the article that says all of Utah's football games will be televised?:

    I already provided a reference pal, where is yours?
    The WCC/ESPN deal and the BYU/ESPN deal (which pertains to football) are two different agreements. Again I ask. Where does it say that all BYU home basketball games will be shown live on TV?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    July 3, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    With pro sports on the lam this Fall, BYU will be the only game in town (for the state of Utah), as it'll be the only school from this great state showing all of its football and basketball games in HD (on ESPN or BYUtv).

    It's a great time to be a Cougar!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    "Didn't Utah lose 2 out of 3 games to the WCC last season, including to WCC bottom dweller, San Diego?"

    Well yes, the fact that we lost ONLY 2 of the 3 shows it's a pretty lousy conference.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 3, 2011 8:04 p.m.

    Night Owl

    Dig a little deeper. That is all the athletic department has been talking about; the ability of BYUtv to pick up whatever games ESPN does not. Hide and watch. The proof will come this winter when BYU fans are able to watch ALL BYU games. Why don't reference the article that says all of Utah's football games will be televised?

  • jaredM Provo, UT
    July 3, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    Anyone notice that the BYU student section in the MC is larger then any of the gyms from the WCC? That should come as a shock to those teams when they come to play here!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas said:

    ".....Good riddance to fans dressed as missionaries, and blow up women.

    (Nice not to be entering a scandal-ridden league)..."

    What until you see what Pepperdine St. May's & Santa Clara fans do. WCC fans can be crude.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    TrueBlue said:

    ".....That type of situation will NEVER happen again thanks to BYU's move to the WCC. EVERY home BYU basketball will be broadcast on ESPN or BYUtv live, and every game will also be available for unlimited replays."

    Please provide a reference that every home basketball game will be shown live on ESPN or BYU TV.
    See June 9th article in this paper titled - BYU basketball: West Coast Conference, ESPN sign 8-year extension
    There is no reference to that whatsoever in the ESPN deal.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 3, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    @nils

    and you're still obsessed with BYU. Thought BYU was in a rearview mirror?

  • Orem Native Orem, UT
    July 3, 2011 6:20 p.m.

    If Dave Rose really hated the WCC arrangement, he wouldn't have signed the contract extension. He had plenty of opportunities to go to "better" leagues, but chose to stay. I don't think he's lying when he says he's excited about his prospects.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    July 3, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    Five to ten years from now, we will be able to look back and see whether or not this was simply a good move, or a fantastic move. That's what an athletic director with vision brings to the table.

    Kudos to Holmoe for all of his hard work in putting together a package that benefits student athletes and their familes, coaches, fans, alumni, recruiting and financially benefits the University.

    It speaks volumes that the WCC adjusted the tournament for no Sunday play.

    Independence benefits footall, and the WCC will be good for BYU in other sports. BYU also benefits the WCC. ESPN as a partner positions the conference well.

    BYU fans are excited to watch BYU play around the country, and on TV. Isn't that what it is all about? Watching your team play?

    I willing to wait and see how the college athletic landscape changes over the next five to ten years...

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    July 3, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    gizmo33 | 7:48 a.m.
    St. George, Utah
    "whos Jimmer ?"

    ===
    You must have missed the Utah v BYU games this year, half-time of the NCAA championship game where they announced the POY, or the NBA draft.

    Big college basketball fan?
    ........................

    "AZ Dave | 9:03 a.m.
    Chandler, AZ
    You got thrown under the bus Rose"
    ===

    Dave Rose said..."What impresses me about the WCC is their commitment to men's basketball. It's a men's basketball league. The incentives they have to increase the level of their basketball, I was extremely impressed."
    ..................

    "Eventually, with the 2010 realignment opening up new avenues for expansion, the WCC decided to revisit expansion plans. The conference decided that it would only seek out private schools, but would not limit its search to faith-based institutions."

    Seems like a nice fit for BYU. With the ESPN games, and the BYU-HD games, I would expect the WCC is positioned well.

    With 140 MWC championships under their belt, this is a great move for BYU basketball, baseball, and other sports. It's a great move for the WCC.

    Good riddance to fans dressed as missionaries, and blow up women.

    (Nice not to be entering a scandal-ridden league)...

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 3, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    Silent Lurker

    ESPN and unlimited rights to replay games on BYUtv is a HUGE move up from the MTN.

    Last year, BYU played Fresno State in the Marriott Center. Lots of interesting sub-plots with Steve Cleveland returning to BYU to face his one-time assistant, but the game wasn't broadcast because the brainiacs at the MTN (which owned the television rights) thought that reruns of a Sports Statistics show and MWC Roundtable discussion would be more interesting than a live basketball game.

    That type of situation will NEVER happen again thanks to BYU's move to the WCC. EVERY home BYU basketball will be broadcast on ESPN or BYUtv live, and every game will also be available for unlimited replays.

    The WCC isn't a step up as far as overall competition, but it's a monumental improvement in giving BYU's nationwide fanbase access to BYU sports.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 3, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    I accidentally left out one of the potentially biggest benefits, improved quality of non-conference opponents. I can't wait to see what kind of teams BYU will be playing in non-conference games going forward but according to this article, that is a big focus and if we could get more big time programs to come to the Mariott Center like Wake Forest a couple of years ago, that will be huge. Until the SDSU game this year, that was the most electric and exciting game ever at the M.C. and I can't wait to see more of those types of teams on the schedule.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 3, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    When looking at the big picture, this move is very positive for BYU. Here's why:
    1. Television - having most if not all games on national TV will be a huge boost for BYU basketball. It's worked for Gonzaga and it will work for BYU.
    2. More opportunities for BYU fans to see their team live. How many BYU fans do you think go to games in Laramie, Ft.Collins, Col. Springs, Albuquerque etc. vs. the number that will attend in Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego? Many family and friends are already making plans to attend games next season in those locations.
    3. Recruiting - how many players will BYU ever want to recruit from MWC cities vs. the cities where the WCC teams are located?
    4. With BYU, the WCC becomes virtually equal to the MWC. Both conferences should have similar average RPI's, similar number of nationally ranked teams, similar numbers of teams getting NCAA bids and even similar numbers of fans in attendance at road games. The difference is, BYU will have a "home court advantage" for many road games due to the large number of BYU fans in attendance.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    July 3, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    @Silent Lurker, Just the fact that we won't be watching the pathetic, grainy, and terrible camera work on the MTN channel and instead will be watching it on ESPN and the new BYU HD channel makes this a huge "move up" for the fans. The games on the MTN were so awful they were not even fun to watch in the past years.

    My guess is they will make more money in the WCC also, due to the ESPN telecasts alone. Also if I was putting money on it I would guess that the WCC has put more players in the NBA than the MTN.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 3, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    As a proud new member of the WCC we renewed our season tickets and Cougar Club. I will miss the exciting games against SDS, UNLV, NM and Air Force. Hope we can get them to play in Provo in the near future. We moved OUT of the MWC and that is that. New venues can be fun. See you all soon in Malibu. Warm in winter is better than cold. Cougar fans can now take three opportunities to visit SoCal during the worst weather in Utah and enjoy a Cougar BB game and get a decent seat plus attend Disneyland, SeaWorld, and the beautiful beaches. Look west young man for now.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    July 3, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    Because there is a real tournament in basketball, a team's conference isn't terribly important. That said, the WCC will provide as many "challenging" games as the MWC did. After New Mexico, SDSU and UNLV, it was slim-pickings for sure.

    And please, the conference is chock full of big market teams who have some absolutely gorgeous campuses.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 3, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    Silent

    I get your point, I was only disputing that you are calling WCC markets small. They are huge compared to the MWC; and with the addition of BYU it allows the teams in the WCC to take advantage of the large markets that they reside in.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 3, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    The BYU faithful can try to spin this anyway they want but my point is that you really know the truth--the WCC is not a move up.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    Sorry. I meant that Utah is now part of.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    Silent Lurker said:

    "Is localblue is the only honest BYU fan to comment here today? No matter how much the local media claims it is moving up,(joining the WCC) everyone really knows it is moving down, and Utah has nothing to do with it. Slam the Utes all you want, but you will still wake up tomorrow and be in the WCC playing in a small market. The ESPN/BYU tv package can be likened to a tree in the forest. If that tree falls and no one is there to hear/watch it, does it really make a sound/matter?"

    Agreed. BYU's TV deal is nothing compared to an ESPN/ABC/Versus/Pac-12 Network deal that Utah is not part of.
    And BYU's ESPN deal is nothing compared to the $300 hundred million TV deal that Texas just signed with ESPN.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 3, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    Silent

    Pay attention. With the addition of BYU to the WCC, they are now as strong as the MWC ever was. Small market? Are you talking about Laramie or Portland?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 3, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    localblue said:
    I'm as much a BYU homer as the next guy but this is nothing more than propaganda to get fans to accept or believe the WCC is where it's at. The WCC is an afterthought in college basketball and nobody, west or east coast, knows or cares about most of the teams in the WCC. The teams people know, Gonzaga, they are not able to tell you anything about, including the name of the conference in which they play.

    I'm hoping this is temporary and a step to better things. Playing small-time schools in small-time markets is going to do nothing to further the image of BYU and the strength of the program. It's the lesser of two evils and should be acknowledged as such.

    Don't agree. WCC coverage is in the Pac-12 market area. For example: Gonzaga basketball is broadcast into Portland and Seattle Tv markets. Nothing small about that.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 3, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    Is localblue is the only honest BYU fan to comment here today? No matter how much the local media claims it is moving up,(joining the WCC) everyone really knows it is moving down, and Utah has nothing to do with it. Slam the Utes all you want, but you will still wake up tomorrow and be in the WCC playing in a small market. The ESPN/BYU tv package can be likened to a tree in the forest. If that tree falls and no one is there to hear/watch it, does it really make a sound/matter?

  • Unbiased Viewpoint Draper, UT
    July 3, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    Dear Utah basketball fans,

    Please for the love of all that is good don't talk basketball smack. In football you have some arguments, but please don't talk basketball smack.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    I expect this to be a very short stay perhaps 3 seasons at the longest for BYU and by 2014-2015 visiting the likes of Norman, Austin, College Station, Lubbock, Waco, Stillwater, Lawrence and Columbia will become mainstays in Cougar language lingo. The football side has decided they really dont want a championship game for the time being, and the basketball side might be easier to manage with 10 schools, but the Big-Ten worked well with 11 schools for 18 years and perhaps BYU can add to the Big-12 in basketball, something Nebraska and Colorado did VERY little of.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    July 3, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Would it be great to have the WCC tourney in the Energy Solutions arena!!!!!!!

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    July 3, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    With BYU's move to the WCC, the conference becomes an automatic 2- to 3-bid league. Gonzaga has already proven that you can develop a nationally recognized program, even from a relatively small conference.

    Unlike the exclusionary Bogus Championship Series, the NCAA tournament is truly an open championship that gives every team an equal opportunity to win the national championship - see Butler 2010 and 2011.

    BYU basketball will have at least a dozen nationally televised games on ESPN next season vs. ONE during Jimmermania. Television exposure alone makes the move to the WCC a no-brainer. Playing in Malibu instead of Laramie is just an added bonus.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 3, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    Johnjacob

    "The WCC basketball "haven" is made of one school who is lucky the coach hasn't been hired away yet. Get ready for tiny sold out arenas."

    Do you recall that St. Marys' coach turned down the U of U for their coaching job. Your argument is weak.

    localblue

    "Playing small-time schools in small-time markets is going to do nothing to further the image of BYU and the strength of the program."

    Portland, San Fransisco, San Diego. The MWC has more "small-time markets than the WCC.

    This is a good fit for BYU, and as far as the small arenas go, there is already talk of Portland playing home games in the Rose Garden when BYU comes to town. This will be the case throughout the conference, so that is a mute point.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 3, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    All those pictures of WCC Arenas "packed" with College Basketball Lovin' fans, on the prettiest Campuses in America.

    VS

    All those "Empty" Red Chair Seats posing as fans at the Huntsman Center.

    Six Thousand fans at Gonzaga vs. 2,500 fans at Huntsman? Hmmmm
    The same Gonzaga which had 15 National games on ESPN? Utah-0.

    The whole phony construct of the BCS does not translate to Basketball, sorry utes, you'll have to prove it on the court.

    Look at the small gyms of many Big East, and Atlantic 10 teams. Duke plays in a 10k seat gym. BYU's 10k seat gym was obsolete for them 40 years ago.

    It does not matter Utes.

    U can't compete with WCC teams either, that is your reality.

    It's a matter of relativity, apparently it's over your head.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 3, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Top 5 Reasons for leaving the MWC

    #1. ESPN > The MTN

    #2. Malibu > Laramie

    #3. Any conference commissioner > Craig Thompson

    #4. Neutral Site Conference Basketball Tournament > Playing on UNLVs Home Court

    #5. A truly national brand trapped in a league filled with regional schools with small budgets, tiny fan bases and few aspirations to improve.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    July 3, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    The WCC was a one-bid conference last year even with a strong St. Mary's team. It will continue to be a one-bid conference with the addition of BYU. Rose has been a good sport, trying to sell snake oil to us over this move. Everyone knows he doesn't like the move, but every athletic program got thrown under the bus for the football program. This is the cost of independence for BYU. The small gyms will be a surprise for BYU--tough to win those games. BYU will be in rebuilding mode this year.

    I know they wanted to play in the WAC for all other sports--which made sense before the WAC's mutiny. I don't see how this conference makes sense now. Wow Gonzaga, they had mini-runs ten years ago and St. Mary's they have been fielding a semi-strong team...other than that [crickets]. They are only a one-bid conference. Should have joined the Big Sky: better facilities, geographic fit, don't have to set your DVR to watch the Pepperdine game, etc. Could have been fun. But enjoy playing at the YMCA courts, err I mean most of the WCC facilities.

  • MESOUTE Karchaj, A.V.
    July 3, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    All those pictures of WCC "arenas" is too priceless. I still can't believe BYU did that to their basketball team.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 3, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    @new to Utah

    "How can anyone honestly say moving to the wcc is a move up?"

    As far as competition goes, it's probably a move down. As far as location goes, definitely a move up! Malibu vs Laramie? Where would you like to be in January?

    Also, the WCC is just a basketball conference. It's a great fit for a football independent team, because there is no pressure to have football join the conference.

    Point #3: how many teams get an automatic bid to the NCAA tourney from the WCC? Answer: the exact same number as the pac12, MWC, or WAC: 1. Basketball is not like football. Basketball, conference affiliation really doesn't matter. BCS and football conference affiliation is so important and corrupt, not every team has an equal opportunity to get to the NC game.

  • zeba Brigham City, UT
    July 3, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Football was the deciding factor. Top to bottom the MWC was a better fit for basketball, and possibly still for football. It is not all sour grapes though because the ESPN exposure is better than the mtn. I think we should wait 3 or 4 years before we say that basketball got the raw deal.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    July 3, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    Remember the WCC's 1990 Loyola Marymount team that went to the Elite 8 after Hank Gathers died on the court earlier in the year? Bo Kimble shot his tournament free throws with his left hand to honor his fallen teammate. He made every shot. That WCC squad is one that every basketball fan in the country remembers.

    Gathers had averaged 32.7 and 29.0 points in the two seasons leading up to his death. Kimble averaged over 35 points per game in that '89-'90 season. They were as good together as any two teammates the NCAA had seen in a long time. Watching Gathers die on the court in his mother's arms while holding tightly to Kimble's hand left an indelible impression on me. I was a high school basketball player at the time and I remember being so caught up with Loyola Marymount's run in the NCAA tournament, praying that they would win it all for Hank.

    What a fantastic team that was!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 3, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Not only did utah lose to San Diego, they lost to Portland the very next game. This was the same Portland team who got crushed at home by Kentucky. Now, little ute fans come on and try to put down BYU being in a league where utah can't even win. Come on!

    ute fans (BYU followers who follow their every move and have severe little brother disease) just love to follow BYU. Thanks for the support and once again padding BYU article comment count! You're very shallow ute fans, but very faithful BYU fans. Thanks!

    Jimmer for three from the U!

  • One Nil to the Arsenal! Gilbert, AZ
    July 3, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    @ Blue Saint

    Seriously? Kenny (Sammy) g & Ducky have frequent flier miles on Utah Blogs. Glad to know you don't surf there, but your fellow brothers make it part of their daily routine.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 3, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    @I still can't say it

    Do any ute fan really want to talk smack about basketball?

    The last 6 seasons of ute basketball have been embarrassing. Losing to BYU 9 out of the last 10 match ups between BYU and Utah!

    And the WCC has a NCAA Cinderella story every year, aka Gonzaga. Gonzaga has won more games over the last 10 years than Utah.

    Let's be real ute fans. When it comes to basketball, this sport is not your strength anymore.

    After Andrew Bogut left, Utah got jimmered.

    Go Cougars!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 3, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    Any ute with any integrity should be embarrassed to chime in with trash talk on this subject. YoU will be humiliated again in '11-'12. The good news is that you will be humiliated in big (empty) arenas.

  • AZ Dave Chandler, AZ
    July 3, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    You got thrown under the bus Rose

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    July 3, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    How can anyone honestly say moving to the wcc is a move up? It is a much lower rated conference than the MWC and the Pac 12.BYU will clearly be the revenue maker for this conference.I hope it is a short arrangement.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    July 3, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    Most of the schools in the WCC are Jesuit academic institutions. BYU is an academic fit. Here in St. Louis, St. Louis University (Jesuit) tried to do the same by joining the Atlantic 10 which is centered in the Far East. It appears that the idea is working on the West Coast. Here in the Mid West, it is failing miserably for travel reasons, not because of basketball, but because of all sports. In reality, it would make ideological sense for St. Louis University to join the MCC. SLU quit the Missouri Valley and then quit a conference with Marqueete and DePaul who joined the Big East. The problem is a travel issue which BYU appears to have solved.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    July 3, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    The WCC basketball "haven" is made of one school who is lucky the coach hasn't been hired away yet. Get ready for tiny sold out arenas.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 3, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    Several great articles on the UofU and the first two posters are still so obsessed with BYU they feel compelled to come onto a BYU article to show their true nature. I find it hilarious that a Ute fan is actually bringing up the UNLV home court issue as a negative against BYU. There were many Ute fans who said the same things not too long ago. Your own Chris Hill even eluded to the fact that he felt UNLV had an advantage in the MWC tournaments. Fan's and officials from every school felt the same way.(go back and read the archives in their newspapers around the end of Feb.) Yes, SDSU beat BYU in the tournament this year. The Y also beat SDSU twice, once in San Diego. Are you still upset about the Jimmering you got up there on the hill.
    Gonzaga has had as much success nationally as the U had in their best BB years. Gonzaga's run has lasted much longer than the U's and they haven't fallen to the bottom of their conference like U.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 3, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    I Still Can't Say It,

    When's the last tine a WCC team ever won anything??

    I am guessing you have never heard of Gonzaga or St. Marys...thats Ok, they have never heard of Utah either.

    And as far as small gyms are concerned, I would rather play in an arena packed with 5000 fans than play in a great facility which holds 12,000 and have only 500 fans there...

    Any guesses where I am speaking of...

    The Redrocks will sell out before the basketball team does...oops that's already happened...sorry.

    OU812

    This years Ute team will be hard stressed to even come out after half to finish playing UNLV.

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    July 3, 2011 7:48 a.m.

    whos Jimmer ?

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    July 3, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    I'm as much a BYU homer as the next guy but this is nothing more than propaganda to get fans to accept or believe the WCC is where it's at. The WCC is an afterthought in college basketball and nobody, west or east coast, knows or cares about most of the teams in the WCC. The teams people know, Gonzaga, they are not able to tell you anything about, including the name of the conference in which they play.

    I'm hoping this is temporary and a step to better things. Playing small-time schools in small-time markets is going to do nothing to further the image of BYU and the strength of the program. It's the lesser of two evils and should be acknowledged as such.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 3, 2011 7:16 a.m.

    They'll just have to rent bigger facilities or find some way to build bigger ones. BYU's contingent turnout alone will overwhelm every one of these venues...which will still beat a half sold out fieldhouse on the hill any day. BYU will help build every one of the WCC programs just like they've done for the out of state Old WAC and the MWC teams. I don't see this as a problem.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    July 3, 2011 7:00 a.m.

    @ I Still Can't Say It
    "Hoops Haven" ... really??

    When's the last tine a WCC team ever won anything??"

    Try last year when their last place team beat the mighty utes! Your statement suggests that the ute team is nothing! The u would finish near the bottom of the WCC and that is the funny thing about any ute comment, they would still rather get beat by 40 points and play in big places than play in smaller more competitive places and be recognized for their strength and WINS.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 3, 2011 6:32 a.m.

    In the coming year(s), WCC will come to be know as a much better basketball conference than the MWC. They will consistently get 2 or 3 teams in the big dance with one team regularly making it to at least the Sweet Sixteen.

    MWC now only has UNLV as a consistent basketball performer. UNM makes some noise once and awhile. San Diego State did well, but look at their history. With all the players who graduated / moved on, it will be awhile before they reload.

    For those moaning about the size of opposing teams arena, it really makes no difference to me. The only thing I really care about is TV access. Far more people will watch them on ESPN than ever watch them in an arena. BYU vs Gonzaga will be a consistent prime time match up, drawing huge TV audiences.

    The future looks as bright for BYU BB as it does for FB - with Carlino, Harrison, Sharp, and a couple of big guys coming into the program this year along with the return of C. Collinsworth. And hoping Nick Emery, TJ Haws, and Chatman choose the blue and white in future years.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    July 3, 2011 6:25 a.m.

    The obvious cliche "ignorance is bliss" comes to mind for you folks who are having a slow day in Layton and Holladay. Gee maybe BYU A.D. was totally asleep on this one. DUH, did you call or e-mail Tom Holmoe that he made a huge blunder? You are to blame for not sharing your crustal ball visionary insight with others. BTW did you ever hear of Gonzaga? If you are UTE fans you have no worries as no one will bother to watch even home games let alone road games. Aggie fans can't brag either as I watched the final tourney game (USU/BSU) in that conference at the Orleans in Las Vegas (on T.V.) where the arena was not nearly full.

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    July 3, 2011 2:14 a.m.

    I've gotta smile every time a Ute Fan comments on a BYU article. I mean, you put their program in the PAC-10, but you find their Fans still wandering over to talk BYU. It's kind of sick! They're like zombies with one track minds. My goodness, move on! I seriously don't feel a need to know anything Utes. You Ute Fans have been talking all year, that as soon as you become PAC-10 members you would only look for BYU only in your rear view mirrors......Prove it!

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    July 3, 2011 1:43 a.m.

    Gotta love Utah fans talking smack about the WCC.

    Didn't Utah lose 2 out of 3 games to the WCC last season, including to WCC bottom dweller, San Diego?

    Utah fans are operating under the delusion that simply being in the same conference as UCLA has suddenly made that train wreck on the hill a basketball power.

    Is this what we can expect from Utah in the future? USC(football) and UCLA(basketball) will do all of the dirty work, and the Utes will pretend that they actually contributed.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2011 1:29 a.m.

    I Still Can't Say It

    "When's the last tine a WCC team ever won anything??"

    San Francisco won back-to-back national championships, which is more championships than any team in the PAC 12 not named UCLA.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    July 3, 2011 12:37 a.m.

    The small gym problem in the WCC is likely being solved, I hear, by numerous "away" games being played in non-campus arenas to accommodate the fans. More fans means of course more money. BYU's ability to pack fans in is driving this. As they do so even more attention will be paid to the WCC. It needs it despite the WCC statements that it is already nationally recognized, whatever that means and whatever that will buy. But the TV of ESPN and BYUTV in conjunction with larger crowds will soon overshadow the elitist PAC-something which plays to amazingly poor crowds, propaganda not withstanding. BYU is indeed a highly marketable commodity even post-Jimmermania.

  • OU812 Layton, UT
    July 3, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Still using the "UNLV has home court" excuse. I think it was SDSU whom thrashed the Y at the Thomas and Mack this year. Good Riddance!

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 3, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    "Hoops Haven" ... really??

    When's the last tine a WCC team ever won anything??