It's too bad bradley rockstar can't understand the implications of the Utes
movet to the Pac12. This will provide some stability for his job and could
improve his readership by huge margins. For the life of me I can't understand
why he wouldn't work to step up his game, give the Utes their due and prepare
for the next level of sports writing. Quite pathetic that he can't put aside
his bias and jealousy.
@SLC BYU FAN:Just a Ute fan here who can agree with your comment.
Despite the bickering among fans on these boards and elsewhere, the powers that
be at both schools have worked together in the past to make decisions that were
good for the state as a whole. The schools themselves have a better relationship
than the fans might think.
howhard S,I stated my sources in my comment because I have done some
research on this. Your comment reflects old information and does not match the
information done by real reporters.
@davidutefanI did not know that 45,000 people live in evanston
@HedgehogSome of us would have loved to attend but, it's still a
holiday weekend and some of us could't get the Friday off or had family
commitments. My job required me to be there as it's one of the busiest days of
the year. I will be in RES for every home game along with 45,000 of my closest
friends. I'm also planning a vacation with my wife to the Bay are this year for
the Cal game. You can sit at home and cheer for your irrelevant little team
while they lose to Texas and Ole' Miss.
@umanamiCan you tell us where we can read the Pac10 acknowledge that Utah
was in the discussion from the beginning and Texas was the after thought?The truth is the only people discussing it were Ute fans on message
boards. The PAC 10 was stuck with 11 teams after 5 of the Big 12 teams walked
away. Where else could they turn? They couldn't turn to the Big 10, not the
SEC, nor the ACC and Big East (too far away).The PAC 10 was in a
major bind and was actually very fortunate to find a fallback option as willing
as the Utes were. At this point, the Pac10 was desperate to find someone and
after 2 yrs of creating and floating their own internet rumors about the P10's
interest in them, the Utes showed they were equally desperate. It
became a match made in heaven.
@DutchmanMethinks thou doth protest too much. It doesn't matter what Texas
intended, its about what Larry Scott and the Pac10 thought. The
plain truth is they wanted Texas, Oklahoma, etc from the Big 12 and took a huge
gamble by inviting Colorado hoping it would break up the conference and net them
a jackpot. Well it blew up in their faces when B12 commish Beebe
swooped in at the 11th hour and saved the day. With egg on his face and now
stuck with Colorado, Scott had very limited options. He had to find a school
that he could sell to the California school Presidents and was desperate enough
that they wouldn't say no. Utah was the only choice. He couldn't sell Boise
State to them because of academics. He couldn't sell BYU to them because of
religion. The Utes didn't have either of those problems.I know its
tough to accept that the PAC10 settled on the Utes, the truth is always tough to
swallow. But if the Utes were in from the beginning then why didn't they get
offered at the same time as Colorado?
1500-2000 came out to support the Utes? Sounds like attendance is picking up!
I still to this day have no idea why Rock writes about the Utes.
@DutchmanAt this point, it doesn't matter if the Utes were the first
choice or the last choice when it comes to expansion. They're in and nobody's
going to care about the politics of it in a year much less 10 years down the
road, and the other team wasn't even considered.Brad Rock, Robinson,
Harmon, Lya, etc. just enjoy repeating words like "settled" or
"last choice" over and over again to rile up the fans of the other
team. But even more important, most of the local media hacks have
been not only fans of but have invested a lot more time and energy covering the
other team. So when it was left behind in the dust by the Utes, Rock and crew
took it personally and have been lashing out ever since. It's s pretty pathetic
really, look....-Rock claiming the Utes won't ever sell out a PAC-12
championship game at RES-Rock attacking the Utes women's basketball
team after it beat BYU for the MWC championship-Robinson making
strange, unfounded claims about discrimination keeping the other team out -- and
then proceeding to say BYU has more fans than Notre Dame
@Dutchman:I don't think Larry "settled" on Utah &
Colorado, I merely think he knew that was the most likely outcome of this move,
but business dictated he take a shot at Texas and its clinging entouragege.While Texas wants to be king and every other school in that league now
clings to them, they know they will need BYU in that diluted league sooner than
later. What will be interesting to watch will be the debate LDS Church leaders
will likely have behind closed doors, since there are obviously some who feel
BYU being in a "Big League" will take away from the mission of state
schools like the school in Logan.
"Larry "settled" for Utah and Colorado instead of Texas."Come on Rock. Where have you been? Thanks to some real reporting by
Jon Wilner of the Mercury News, Chip Brown of Orangebloods and the Oklahoman it
was revealed months ago that Texas AD DeLoss Dodds played everyone like a fiddle
to get Texas an independent TV deal and a bigger share of the Big 12-2
conference TV money. Texas had no intention of leaving the Big 12-2 for the PAC
12. Do you really believe Texas was going to give up the king's thrown to come
over and be ruled by USC and the other strong headed schools in the PAC 12?
Texas has to rule which is why that conference is still shaky and why BYU will
want to remain independent. Utah and Colorado were in from the beginning.
I honestly think most Ute fans are gracious about this. Texas and its clinging
entourage of schools declined a Pac-16 scenario so Larry Scott merely saw he had
an opportunity with a large AAU caliber research school in a large emerging
media market between Denver and the west coast and felt very good about taking
it forward. Never mind that for decades BYU has been the more dominant media
and attendance draw, Im certain Scott researched the history and realized Utah
was the media and attendance leader until about 1970.Most honest Ute
fans will realize that BYU has stuck with them through the years, since many
realize BYU could have bolted for the Big-12 when it was formed back in 1993
since former president Rex E. Lee was invited by all of the Big-8 presidents and
Texas when the decision was made to implode the old SWC and create a competitor
12 team league to the SEC and a BIG-Ten which had just invited Penn State. Utah
fans should want BYU in the Big-12 now rather than see their programs go the way
Stunningly, spectacularly incompetent. It's time for both the Trib
& D-News to show some of their "journalists" photos of Tom Hansen,
and point out what he used to do, and who is doing that job now, and suggest
that expectations do indeed rise. It's called the real world.We deserve better than this.
Brad, if you can't get the name right on the "most powerful man in College
Sports" then I dread to see what you do with the commissioner of the
WCC.For the record Jamie Zaninovich is not a Women, he doesn't speak
with an accent and he is a Pac-12 (Stanford) Alumnus.The UofU brings
the Pac-12 to Utah, that should be a Utah sportswriter's dream... Instead you
give us an endless string of jealous sounding whimpering and carping. Really you
local media hacks need to get over yourselves already.
"Thats what she said" Michael Scott
There's no way Rock got Commissioner Scott's name wrong by accident. I don't
think he's that poor of a journalist.Rather, it's a subtle dig and
and another act of disrespect toward the PAC-12 and the Utes big move. The sour grapes on the part of the D-News hacks is unreal....all they do
is reinforce the victim mentality and bitterness on the part of Cougar fans.
"Michael Scott"? Really, are you kidding me. The commissioner of a big
time college sports conference, which one of our local teams is in, and you
cannot get his name right. That is embarrassing. Also mentioned is that Larry
"settled" for Utah and Colorado instead of Texas. Well isn't that the
position that most college teams are in. Not many schools would take priority
over Texas, so I guess that puts Utah in some pretty good company. Utah was in
the discussions prior to Texas looking like a possibility. Once the Big 12
looked like it might fold, Larry Scott being smart like he is, swoops in and
tries to get them. Who wouldn't. Local media sure is trying to spin everything
positive about this move into a negative. It is all good Utah fans and don't let
the local media try to convince you otherwise. Go Utes!
Actually, Larry Scott does look a little like Steve Carrell's character on The
Office. Still, I think we should get his name right to show him we appreciate
him coming. (That's what she said!)
The reality check is coming...Sept 10th... and 92,516 seats will be dishing it
out...Good luck utey's...and in the meantime focus and don't let Montana State
be your Apalacha State. That would be an embarassment that would really be hard
to live down.
Let the utes have their celebration. They just made the big time or college
sports. If they win big this season, then uters can celebrate bigger time at the
Rose Bowl. Since that might not happen, let them hoop and holler all they want.
After all, it's almost the 4th of July.
I liked the article, although the headline doesn't seem to quite fit. I don't
think anyone has any illusions about the challenges ahead. It will take far more
effort just to compete in the PAC-12 than it took to run the table in the MWC.
I would rather have those ups and downs though, and have the wins really mean
something. This is a great a great opportunity for the whole State which I think
is worth celebrating.
Rock, when mentioning that the most popular guy at the celebration was the PAC
12 commissioner, you might want to get his name correct. It's Larry Scott, not