Harry Reid announced the scheduling change
Timmy Geitner is stepping down, the last of the notorious wrecking crew of
Obama's original henchmen. What timing! When will any of these people
remaining in Obama's administration and in Congress be held accountable for
their attempted debacle of this nation? Oh, yah, next election.
Defaulting is the only recourse the US has. All these politicians new all along
what they were creating and they have force the hand of the American people in
this precarious conditions. There is no other way out of the mess that Obama has
put this country in. Raising the debt limit only creates a more serious problem
for our future. The debt is not going away and to keep making it worse seves no
purpose. My only suggestion for the congressmen is to ask, no demand
that Obama resign his post becasue of his ineptness of being able to work within
the means of what we have. It's time for Obama to resign and let someone else in
there who knows how and what a budget is for and live within his means. Ground
all the jets so Obama cannot run away and hide from his duties and
responsibilities, he must face the music and be accountable to America.The budget has been made and if its not to his liking then he must undergo an
attitude adjustment, preferably one with his resignation.
this is all talk and political pandering.the white house takes care
of wall street, and when wall street sells off prior to August then beware, but
most likely wall street will continue as usual which will be a good indicator
there will not be a default.The last time there were tax cuts it
cost the country and economy big time. George W. thought he was doing good but
his tax cuts cost and did not help.Utah has a GDP of 100 billion
annually and the those tax cuts cost the country 1,500 of our annual GDP's.
Yep, 1500 GDP's the size of Utah, so in hindsight it was not good even though it
sounds good and looks good on paper but it would take all the money Utah makes
in any way shape or form to pay off that debt, and it would take 1500 years.
Man that is a lot of money.
Re: facts_r_stubborn | 2:59 p.m. June 30, 2011"It would be the single
biggest catastorphe in our history."Then Obama had better make
sure this 'catastrophe' doesn't happen. He's the captain at the helm of the
Titanic and my advice to him is slow down and take the warnings seriously. The
Republicans have said 'NO' to more taxes and so Obama had better get out the
knife and start cutting the fat out of the budget.The only way to
get an alcoholic's attention is to cut of his supply of booze and the same goes
for Obama and the spend-what-they-don't-have liberals.
@Fitness Freak, I believe that would be the Executive Branch of Government,
ultimately the President.
"In a challenge to President Barack Obama, the chamber's top Republican
invited him to the Capitol to discuss the impasse with GOP lawmakers."President Obama is busy and shouldn't have to go to the Capitol to
discuss the impasse with GOP lawmakers when there are over 50 Senators there
whom they can have discussions with. This is merely grandstanding on
the part of Republicans.One man even if he is the President isn't
going to make a difference if none of their colleagues in the Senate have been
able to make a difference? If there is an real impasse Vice President Joe Biden
will join his colleagues in the Senate and vote on legislation. Otherwise the
Senate should get to work, do their job and let Obama do his. If there is a
50-50 split in the Senate then Joe Biden will come to vote.The
grandstanding and childishness of Republican Senators needs to stop. The
President has a job to do and so do you and if you can't do yours then it is
time for you (and any Democrats) who can't do your jobs to be sent home.
Ho hum - same ole same ole... Been down this same dusty street about a half
dozen times now with Harry and Barack. Same ole scare tactics and misinformation
being belched out by Obama - like a teleprompter slide he keeps replaying over
and over and over. Grandma will eat dog food and little children will shiver in
the cold unless I get my tax hikes. What a bunch of hooey. I hope the GOP holds
firm on NO TAX INCREASES because all Barack wants is more of our money to pay
off his far left cronies especially since it is coming onto to a new election
cycle. Keep in mind that there are a whole slew of new tax increases from the
middle income folks like us on up to the high wage guys - all signed into law
and ready to roll out on the stoke on mid-night Jan 1 2013.... to start payment
on Obamacare. Corporations also get blasted with these new taxes big time- small
to large companies. So, don't be fooled by Barack's sad tales and scare tactic
bull because that is exactly what it is.
Obama read 'em the riot act. Good for him.
@lost in DC"Doesn't he mean, "the tax INCREASES I'm
proposing..."? "What do you think 'The tax cuts I'm
proposing we get rid of' means? He didn't say anything factually wrong. Besides,
if we're going to pretend to be fiscally responsible we can't just ignore half
the equation when it comes to the budget. We got into this mess because we spent
too much and taxed too little and that's not a good combination. @fitness freak"A question: IF the U.S. does go into default,
EXACTLY who decides who will/won't get paid? Is it the Pres.?, the Treasury
sec.,etc.?We still do have revenues coming in.I've read
a lot about the issue but I don't really understand how the INCOMING revenue
gets used. "I believe it's the Administration that gets to
decide but Congress would of course be able to pass bills to direct funds
various ways assuming they get through the senate and get signed by Obama.
Maybe Obama could help show leadership by ending Michelle's expensive trips when
she is not an elected politician? Maybe Obama could help show leadership by
getting the United States out of Libya? Maybe Obama could show leadership by
cutting corporate taxes so that company's quit relocating overseas where tax
rates are lower? Maybe Obama could help show leadership by NOT having a press
conference bashing Republicans in the House and Senate? Isn't this mess a
function of his failed policies that doubled the deficit and provide "not
so shovel-ready jobs"? That press conference does not promote a cooperative
spirit. Maybe Obama could help show leadership by cutting funding to abortion
groups like Planned Parenthood? Maybe Obama could help show some leadership by
cutting foreign assistance to countries and groups who don't deserve our money?
Maybe Obama could show some leadership by bailing out my student loans rather
than failing corporations that should have gone into bankruptcy like Mitt Romney
reasoned? That would stimulate my economic growth and help me (and others bailed
out) to spend more.
A question: IF the U.S. does go into default, EXACTLY who decides who
will/won't get paid? Is it the Pres.?, the Treasury sec.,etc.?We
still do have revenues coming in.I've read a lot about the issue but
I don't really understand how the INCOMING revenue gets used.
Republicans are puposly doing nothing on the debt limit. WHY?? Because they
want Obama to fail. They are sabotaging every effort to create jobs, and get the
economy going. They think you wont vote for Obama if america fails. They dont
care about the consequences. In 2012 lets vote republicans out of every office,
and let the democrats get going on fixing our problems without the
obstructionism of the GOP. The GOP has never done anything worthwhile, and never
Let me give you just one specific example. Standard and Poors said that if the
U.S. defaults on its obligations it will lower its credit rating to D, the last
rung on its scale. So what is a credit rating? Well, for insurance companies and
other financial institutions who hold trillions in government debt, it would
lower the value of those assets to the point where regulatory action levels will
be triggered, placing the entire financial industry in liquidation. Deposits,
insurance claims etc. will not be paid out. The government bond portfolios of
retirees and retirement plans will be worthless and the market will collapse.Is this something your dare devil representative playing chicken with
your future is telling you? I think not. It's all a big game, a big joke to make
you think they are serious about deficit reduction.Pass a
constitutional balanced budget amendment. Impose strict spending limitations,
adopt a pay as you go philosopy. All fine, and very necessary and important for
our long term prosperity and survival as a nation.However, the debt
ceiling and past obligations already incurred has nothing to do with the core
issue. Take it off the table.
But before I discuss consequences of not raising the debt ceiling, I will say I
agree with those who believe, doing nothing to stop the bleeding debt situation
will eventually land us in the same place as not raising the debt ceiling, (i.e.
default on our obligations), not to mention an anemic economy and very real
threats to our survival, both at home and abroad. It's just that I expect that
we have adults and leaders solving the problems not two year olds, wo are so
afraid of voters they can't bring themselves to lead.Now, for just a
few of the things that WILL happen and it's not a maybe. The bottom line is,
defaulting on U.S. debt will make the last 3 years seem like living in paradise.
The economy won't just dip into recession, it will grind to a halt. The U.S.
will lose all respect in the world, and severly weakened and crippled, will
eventually become vulnerable to attack from our enemies. Defaulting on our debt
would eventually lead to the end of the United States as we know it. It would be
the single biggest catastorphe in our history.
A family needs to cut its spending or increase its income to balance the budget
and so should the government. If one spouse favors getting a second job and the
other spouse favors a decrease in spending to balance the budget that is
analogous to the Republicans and Democratic positions in this debate. Fine, work
it out. But that is where the analogy ends. If the family runs out
of options, and simply can't pay its debts they have legal recourse to file for
bankruptcy. Not so with the "full faith and credit of the United States
government." I argue that should never be held hostage, and it's shameful
that many politicians choose to do so. They are demagogues. There are other more
direct ways to apply political pressure. The best and foolproof way is to have
the White House and veto proof majorities in both the house and the Senate.
Short of that negotiation is the only route short of chaos and the decline of
our nation.In my next post I will discuss just some of the
catastrophic events that will, I say will follow a defualt of U.S. obligations.
Again we see that ideals without action are worthless. Murky plans without
detailed written goals lead to murky outcomes. That is the problem with politics
and especially the far right and left extremes that have way to much control and
influence these days. Not that the ideals and general concerns are wrong, they
are right on. It's the actual steps we take and the way we do it where empty
rhetorical read meat politics let's us all down.The issue of the
debt ceiling should never come up in discussions of how to balance the budget or
cut the size of government. The issue should be about the appropriate programs,
spending and taxes. There should never be a question about whether or not the
U.S. government should pay hard obligations it has already incurred. This is not
hard to understand, so why do so many voters and their itching ear politicians
get it wrong.Not raising the debt ceiling is analogous to a family
in debt not paying back it's obligations, when it should have a budget and cut
its spending. Too many people walk away from their debts, when they could pay
ok no recess kiddies untill you get all your homework done and dont forget to
clean off your desk tops before heading home.
No wonder there is so much laziness in the world today, including people who
don't seem to think they should have to work 40 hours a week to earn their
living. They are taking their direction from our leaders, who work about 6
months out of the year.
Obama just isn't used to hearing the word 'no'. First it was Israel and now
it's the Republicans. Obama is in over his head and somebody needs to throw him
a life jacket.
"The tax cuts I'm proposing we get rid of are tax breaks for millionaires
and billionaires, tax breaks for oil companies and hedge fund managers, and
corporate jet owners," Obama countered.Doesn't he mean,
"the tax INCREASES I'm proposing..."? This guy can't even tell the
difference between tax cuts and tax hikes, no wonder he runs up $1.5 trillion
Good. When lawmakers behave like bad kindergarteners, we SHOULD take away their