When they say the glory of God is intelligence, there is no gender mentioned.
Females have every right, both inside and outside the church, to optimize their
@HVH: wearing your victim hat very well today. Who treats women as
accessories? What does women's names in the BOM have to do with the price of tea
in China let alone how "intellectual" a woman may or may not be?
Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? You get it from the LDS
Feminist websites!What about the church and a woman's place? No
details to support any of your silly comments. Do you have any facts for
anything?Maybe when you die you can ask our Mother in Heaven what
She thinks of your little tirade.It's so crystal clear that so many
LDS women are duped by the feminist movement since the 60's. So many of these
websites mingle scripture with the philosophies of men AND WOMEN and then wonder
why they aren't happy in their marriage, why they aren't considered
intellectuals, why they aren't taken seriously and the ever present --- What's
in it for me?I know many spiritual LDS women who know and understand
the gospel and who cherish it with all their heart. They don't seek a place in
the "intellectual" world --- they know where their reward is.
@Charles said: It sounds like it affects the lives of these ladies who are now
on a hunt to produce their own list -- just for women. How sweet. How condescending of you Charles, perhaps if the little women weren't treated
as accessories, that men may reproduce. This would be a great step in treating
people how they should be treated, NOT because society says so but because it is
The Right thing to do.@Charles said: I'm so tired of the "I'm
offended" crowd and how society continually wants to segregate society into
classes so the people they assign to those classes can be pampered. Like the Church and a Women's place?How intellectual or
independent of a thinker can you be, if you need a husband and his "given
authority" for your own Eternal salvation. Then again maybe that will keep
you married if your eternal soul is at stake?And how many Women are
mentioned by name in the BOM?
I have known a number of Mormon women who are world class intellectuals. But
they put their family's needs first, so they are not known (I don't diasgree
with this). There are plenty of female LDS intellectuals.
Bravo WAVE. We need more people like you in the world and in the church!
I get the feeling that this WAVE project is by a group who feels like they are
being left behind. Who knows why it's always a comparison race with women to
"be equal" with men. It sounds of cries "What about us?"Men and women are different. There is a reason? sure.In
reality, does anyone care about this list and if you do, why? How does it affect
your daily life? It sounds like it affects the lives of these ladies
who are now on a hunt to produce their own list -- just for women. How sweet.
And when that list is compiled and noted, then what?I'm so tired of
the "I'm offended" crowd and how society continually wants to
segregate society into classes so the people they assign to those classes can be
pampered.I'd suggest to those who are offended that no women were on
the original list that you worry about your own relationship with the Savior and
forget all the nonsense that society is indoctrinating you with. It's obviously
not healthy and is apparently a distraction for many.
LDS women are generally not intellectual. In fact I can't think of one. They
don't focus on such things. For that matter neither are most LDS men. The LDS
church is not intellectually focused. That was not true in earlier times. Joseph
Smith and Brigham Young tried to teach the church higher level things, but the
people converted to the church were not those type of people, so the LDS church
went down a different road.
Helloo, first of all..Adam and Eve, seriously? Secondly even if..how do you
know what their family was like except Eve incubated and delivered the babies.
Thirdly, traditional by whose standards. If Adam and Eve were the father and
mother of all peoples..well male and female roles certainly are'nt the same
across cultures or races.
Men and women have different roles but are equal partners in the best marriages!
Sometimes role reversal is necessary but not ideal for the family as has been
demonstrated time and time again.
Brigham Young when asked about education for the youth made a statement to the
effect that if he could only educate a fraction of his children, he would choose
to educate his daughters over his sons.Educating his sons would
benefit their families, but to educate his daughters would benefit their
families for generations to come.I have actually spoke at a
priesthood meeting, and have been present when men have spoken at women's
meetings. So, it does happen.
Sounds like a great project, and WAVE's efforts are commendable. The
traditional role of woman and men working together to support and nuture their
families as established and noted by Father Adam and his eternal mate Eve
provides the opportunity for both sexes to be involved in all aspects of this
wonder gifted to us by our Father that we call life and living.
When Mormon women speak at Priesthood session, like the men speak at the Relief
Society meetings, when a Mormon woman can write a book that talks just to Mormon
men (as many GA's have done for mormon women), THEN can you consider that the
Mormon woman intellectual is equal to the Mormon male intellectual.As long as the women can only speak to women, they will not be fully accepted
by the church.
I'm thinking that a culture which encourages the traditional role of men as
breadwinners and women as stay-at-home moms is going to make it a bit more
difficult for the intellectual accomplishments of its women to be seen outside
of the home.