To deport or not to deport? Media bashes journalist and undocumented immigrant Jose Vargas; ICE silent

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  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 13, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    There have been several non-criminal, illegal aliens that have been deported. Just because this guy is "relatively" clean doesn't give him a break.

    The authorities often start an investigation on somebody when they get a reliable word a crime is taking place. Such as somebody who admits they have a stash of drugs. The authorities should consider investigating this guy, and deport him if they find he truly is illegal. (Vargas could be lying.)

    It's possible that his employer may be willing to sponsor a work visa to have him in the US, long term. That would be fine, but he would have to leave the country and re-enter the country with the proper documents in this scenario.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 11, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    re:freddysheddy

    The child is innocent - your neighbor isn't.

  • freddysheddy Bountiful, UT
    July 6, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    Hey DefCon:

    I have been in Canada, China, India, Austrailia, Bali, Greece and Mexico. I know. I know how hard it is to get through immigration. I had a fiancee from China. Her paperwork was rejected when we tried to her here through the legal way. She is still in China. We aren't married... Sad story isn't it. But if she was just a hop across the border, I would get her through in a heartbeat. But she isn't there is the pacific ocean in the way. But the problem I have with the system is that it is hateful, it is ignorant, it is racist and it is bigoted. There are many problems with this system, ask anyone that has tried to go through it. And if a system is bad it should be broken so it can be rebuilt.

  • Voice Saint George, UT
    July 2, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    "TO: SoCalChris | 10:56 a.m. July 1, 2011
    Riverside, CA
    I'll never understand lack of sympathy for someone who was brought here as a child and has possibly never even known another home."

    I didn't know people needed sympathy because they moved. When we've moved our family has seen it as an adventure and an opportunity to meet new people. It is what you make it.

  • DefCon1 LAYTON, UT
    July 1, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    freddysheddy | 12:30 p.m. June 29, 2011
    Bountiful, UT
    hatred, ignorance, bigotry, racism,
    -Well I think that covers all the bases except sexism. Liberals really are good for debates now aren't they. Obviously freddysheddy has no place in his heart for the rule of law but let's not let that get in the way of one word insults. My guess is that you have never been out of this country. You have no idea of the importance it is to enter this country legally. This man should be deported and come back when he has gone though the proper channels. Freddysheddy has a complete ignorance in regards to our country, constitution, and system of government. However he is still able to benefit from our 1st amendment right of free speech, which even though ignorant should never be taken away.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    July 1, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    The prisons are full of undocumented illegal felons.

    ICE could/should deport them all.

    Californian prisons are full of them. A good portion of the States have over 50% or their most wanted lists are illegals.

    Ya, ICE is really busy "focusing" on getting them out.

    Why is the government allowed to continually lie to its citizens?

    Democrats are busy ignoring as many as they can because they believe one day all the illegals will be votes.

    Nothing democrats enjoy more than poor minorities that are dependent on handouts from the govt. They have been creating this class for years. Take a look at the economy and not that it is in the tank there will be alot more.

    Do you really believe obama is disappointed? They just see more sheep dependent on the govt which is just what they want.

    Those loser should be deported but you see "New Yorker Magazine" and "NPR" sprinkled throughout which means he is a liberal so he will be left alone.

  • Mr. Bean SLC, Utah
    July 1, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    @SoCalChris: "The piece says he grew up in the U.S. and attended college. Doesn't sound like he came here on a visa."

    Then he musta sneaked in.

    What he needs to do is to go back to his native country and use his talents there to make it a better place so they don't have to pour over our borders looking for... whatever they're looking for. I'm sure they could use him.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    July 1, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    The piece says he grew up in the U.S. and attended college. Doesn't sound like he came here on a visa.

    I'll never understand lack of sympathy for someone who was brought here as a child and has possibly never even known another home.

  • Mr. Bean SLC, Utah
    July 1, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    @Brer Rabbit: "wonder what America would be like with open borders and our nation flooded with hundreds of millions of poor immigrants from all over the world?"

    We'd be just another poor country... full of poor immigrants seeking jobs... displacing American workers... putting them on unemployment benefits... paid from money we don't have and must borrow from places like China.

    You raise an interesting question of which our lawmakers and law enforcers are ignoring like the proverbial elephant in the living room.

    How did this guy get here in the first place? Well, it'd be my guess he came on a legal visa but overstayed. He forgot to go home after his visa expired. Fully forty percent of illegals in this country became illegal that way.

    Our dilemma: As a nation, we are broke ($14.4 trillion national debt). We have an inept president who can't seem to think how to get our economy going again, thinks there are 57 states, spends much of his time on the golf course, is letting our nation be overrun with illegal immigrants, and seems incapable and dumb-founded as to know what to do. God help us!

  • wrz SLC, Utah
    July 1, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    @Jazz Cop: "as long as he's honest about where he's been, why should he be deported..."

    Because he has broken the law. If he earned money in this country as a writer (or any other job) he needs to have a social security number... and he can't get one unless he has permission to be in this country. If he didn't pay taxes becasue he didn't have a SSN that makes him another kind of law breaker like... (gasp) Timothy Geithner, who, as reported in the DNews, failed to pay his taxes until the Obama Administration decided to hire him on as Treasury Secretary.

  • freddysheddy Bountiful, UT
    June 30, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    My neighbor across the street just had baby! And can you believe the infant had the gall to just enter into this country without waiting in line and going through years of pointless redtape paper work. Now it is going to take away valuable jobs from people already living in this country and using taxpayers money, and it might even grow up to be a criminal! This baby needs to go right back to where it came from, the womb! And quick! Or else we are going to have to force it in, and that won't be pretty.

  • Led Zeppelin II Bountiful, UT
    June 30, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    Deport only the ones who are criminals. Deport even the lazy trailor trash who are born here. And deport our politicians on both sides who are the problem in the first place. Let every hard working person who wants to work hard and be an American and respect the Constitution come here.

  • skorpio SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 30, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    I don't care about his credentials or accomplishments,he has broken our FEDERAL LAW.He needs to be deported.The law is the law whether or not the current administration is culling the hispanic community(legal or illegal)for votes in the next election.Instead of him being an example to reinforce the illegals feelings of righteousness in being here, he needs to be deported as an example that we uphold the laws on the books,with no exception.Too much political correctness and not enough enforcement.If we relied only on feelings of "brotherhood and compassion" as to which laws we enforced,NO LAWS WOULD BE ENFORCED.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 30, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    To deport or not to deport? Did he break the law or not? Do we enforce the law or not?

  • lex loci Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 30, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Thank you ICE for a rational, practical approach. I am a republican delegate who just doesn't get my party's disgust for illegal immigrants. So many are contributing members to our society. Deport the ones we don't want but leave the contributors alone. Seems like a great strategy that gives us the best of both worlds.

  • Jonphone Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    I guess break the law long enough and get a "get out of jail free" card. Congrats to life long law breakers..... You've just been given a free pass.

  • freddysheddy Bountiful, UT
    June 29, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    hatred, ignorance, bigotry, racism,

  • Kathy. Provo, Ut
    June 28, 2011 8:09 p.m.

    If I am a citizen and commit all the crimes he has committed would I get a pass and left alone too? Doesn't seem so equal to me.

  • Gruffi Gummi Logan, UT
    June 28, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    My three cents: offer all illegal immigrants a choice between:
    - voluntary departure, with the right to apply for immigration visas, just as other prospective immigrants from around the world do.
    - deportation and a ban, if they don't depart voluntarily.

    Anything else would be a gross injustice to legal immigrants.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    June 28, 2011 5:59 p.m.

    Illegal immigration is always a very touchy subject to discuss. For some countries like Mexico, it is a multi billion dollar industry, as a lot of money goes back to the families of illegals. People in general are very compassionate and want to give their fellow man a fair go. But there is a line and people need to stand in wait for their proper turn.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    June 28, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    If he isn't deported, he should be thrown in jail......

  • Neanderthal SLC, Utah
    June 28, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    @DeltaFoxtrot: "They're only 'unjust' if you want to break them. In the same way speed limits are 'unjust' to those with a lead foot."

    I know what you mean, Delta. I don't need an ID becasue, as a citizen, I've got one. What I'd like, though, is to rob a bank. I need the money and that's where the money is. Dang those pesky, unjust laws against robbing banks! They gotta go.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    "The memo also directs ICE officials to avoid prosecuting a wide array of individuals, including those who grew up in the U.S. and attended college both of which Vargas did."

    Americans should realize that this memo was the result of a de facto DREAM act executive order just issued by Obama in the last 10 days or so, in defiance of Americans' repeated refusal to accept the DREAM act. Certainly this emboldened this fraudulent journalist to "come out" with his illegal status soon after.

    "...persecuted by unjust laws..."

    A flat-out lie. This journalist is not being "persecuted," neither are immigration laws which ensure the integrity and viability of the country "unjust."

    The truth is that this journalist is a thief. He stole a job he had no right to and betrayed the trust of his bosses and readers in the process.

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    June 28, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Current law says the punishment for what Mr Vargas has done is deportation. He should be deported.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    June 28, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Deport him, and the other 20 million illegals with him.

    These immigration sob stories that the liberal media keeps throwing out there aren't winning the la raza/reconquista advocates any points with the public.

  • We the People Sandy, UT
    June 28, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    Deport.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 28, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Let's bring back the No-Match Letters. Surely the feds knew or should have known that his SSN was not valid for employment. And the SSA and the IRS should have known he was using it.
    Soooo...you send a letter to the WaPo and Vargas saying that the number doesn't match and he has 30 days to clear it up or lose his job.
    He take his original Social Security Card (the one doctored by Vargas and Lolo) to the SSA and they laugh at him and ask if he'd like to be self-deported or do time for perjury on his I-9 form.
    There are ways to get the job done but we don't have the political will to do it.

  • Kenwa Mabuni Provo, UT
    June 28, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    As Ali999 said he did not stole anybody's identity....until a few years ago obtaining a social security card was a very easy task and the ID requirement were minimum. Some social security cards said NOT eligible for employment, others said valid for employment ONLY with authorization of INS but at the end employer's just cared about the SS number.

    As I have said on previous posts.....I do NOT believe in amnesty, illegal immigration or any other similar thing...However, let's not blame the illegals only, both sides of the political spectrum (the blue donkeys and the red elephants) have contributed to make this a problem either by ignoring it or by giving free rides to illegals....Example: Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman, signed into law a bill that granted in-state tuition to illegal aliens.

  • Ali999 Lansing, MI
    June 28, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    On the other hand | 11:05 p.m. June 27, 2011
    Spanish Fork, UT
    To those readers wondering whose identity he stole, he didn't. He was assigned a social security number by the IRS.
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    The SS number was issued with the notation that it was NOT eligible for employment. Mr. Vargas then made photocopies of the card with this notation blanked out. He presented these when applying for jobs. All the more reason to require companies to use eVerify to check eligibility.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    June 28, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    If you take the time to read his story you will see that he broke the law over and over again as an adult to serve his own interests.
    And he "came out" just to form his own activist group.
    That's not what a true journalist would do. And it isn't the first time a Pulitzer winner has compromised himself.
    This case is widely known and Obama would do well to deport him rather than allow him to thumb his nose at the law.
    However, I expect they will do what they did for Obama's aunt; give him a green card.
    And thus, our laws will be further weakened.
    Washington lacks the political will to enforce our laws.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    June 27, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    To those readers wondering whose identity he stole, he didn't. He was assigned a social security number by the IRS.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    The entire concept of equal protection under the law is abolished if we knowingly tolerate illegals amongst us.

    Based on this story, we no longer need to obey laws.

    Speed limits- who cares?
    Stop signs are just for decoration and people better stay out of my way!

    Banks are good places to get money- from my account or anyone else's if we don't need to obey laws any more.

    All those income tax papers are a waste of time since we really don't need to pay taxes since laws should not be enforced.

    Now, how is refusal to enforce immigration laws any more acceptable than these other scenarios?

    Crimes should not be tolerated and criminals should be punished. Or, our nation is no longer one of laws and it is every man or woman for themself.

    Thank you, Obama adminstration for destroying our country.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2011 9:18 p.m.

    Mr. Vargas does demonstrate an item. Illegal aliens are working at jobs Americans will and want to do. Remember the D.N. on August 30, 2010 laid off a large number of journalist and staff. Most of these journalist unlike Mr. Vargus had maintained their ethics and credibility.

  • dlw7 LOGAN, UT
    June 27, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    Mr. Vargas says,"I had to do what I had to do to get work". A Bank robber might say, "I had to do what I had to do to get money". They both broke the law. A bank robber will go to jail. Mr Vargas should be deported. They both broke the law.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    June 27, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    I'll bet that Vargas has never once tried to cast a ballot in a state or federal election.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    "Vargas's former editor at the San Francisco Chronicle, Phil Bronstein told The Guardian that he believes Vargas 'has disqualified himself from being a journalist - he is now an advocate.'

    .....

    The Huffington Post, for which Vargas works as a contributing editor, reported that despite his campaign to support immigration reform, Vargas 'still considers himself a journalist, not an advocate.'"

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    Sadly, this bit of self-righteous justification is only one more indication of the all too prevalent dishonesty that pervades not only the journalistic profession but, most importantly, an ever increasing percentage of the country when it comes to fundamentals of law-abiding citizenry.

    What is most worrisome about this story is that it is only a small example of the systemic disregard for law, both its formulation and enforcement on the part of the perennially negligent legislature AND, particularly, by the illegal immigrants who flaunt their disdain by their mere presence and with every self-serving excuse for their illegal status.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    June 27, 2011 6:22 p.m.

    I wonder if his 'false identity' was also collecting from the system, wouldn't surprise me if its a huge scam the popular media needs to make money because everything they produce is garbage, you know, like this guys journalistic 'truth'.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    June 27, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    Only the US has unjust immigration laws, other countries that have stricter laws are OK?

    Stealing someones identity? lying to get drivers licenses? I think journalists need to be honest. He could of returned home at 18 (180 day window of amnesty) and applied for a student visa or residency. Instead as an adult he chose to break the law.

    Deport him. If we can spend 200 billion per year in Iraq to protect our country, we can do half that much here for a year and get our immigration straightened around. Amnesty never works to change behavior, only enforcement does.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    June 27, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    Please do us all a favor send him on a one way flight with the promise of twelve million others to follow.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    June 27, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    Vargas isn't an "undocumented" immigrant, he has many more "documents" than the rest of us. He is simply another illegal alien. If Vargas after many instances of document fraud is not deported, then why bother keeping anyone out? Oops, I guest open borders is what this is all about. There are billions of folks from poor countries like the Philippines that would jump at the chance to live in America. It seems that privilege is for only the "special" illegal aliens like Vargas.

    I wonder what America would be like with open borders and our nation flooded with hundreds of millions of poor immigrants from all over the world?

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    June 27, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    stealing an identity should probably get you deported though, he is probably fbi and can getaway with it.

  • PDonty Tooele, UT
    June 27, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    "Phil Bronstein told The Guardian that he believes Vargas "has disqualified himself from being a journalist he is now an advocate.""

    How is he different from any other journalist? Just because he's now truthful about his biases?

  • southern utah St. George, UT
    June 27, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    Who's identity did he steal to get a paycheck? Is that not illegal? Is that not fraud?

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    June 27, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    as long as he's honest about where he's been, why should he be deported, now if i know him i might even want to read something he writes. however, it's hard to disagree with denvir, it seems he's just a small part of a larger problem, called popular media "and all it's dimensions" lol.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    June 27, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    If he's part of popular media, he's just a small part of a much bigger problem, hard to disagree with denvir on that.

  • GiuseppeG Murray, Utah
    June 27, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    re: DeltaFoxtrot
    I was understandin' ya until you brought speed limits into play. I believe my right to pursue happiness at whatever speed I want should not be infringed. ;-)

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    June 27, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Unjust laws? The laws seem just to me. They also must seem just to every one of the millions of LEGAL immigrants who followed the rules and became members of this nation the correct way. They're only "unjust" if you want to break them. In the same way speed limits are "unjust" to those with a lead foot.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    June 27, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    The fact that he is a journalist should have no bearing whatsoever with ICE, it's not like journalists are high on the list of trusted people and it's amusing they think they are.

    The fact he went to college and is not a felon should weigh in his favor, there are plenty of illegals who are a menace to society who should be first on ICE's list of deportation targets.