to Bill: You don't need continued revelation. The prophets weren't continually
told about the Word of Wisdom. But we still live it.
To Grace: You make a bunch of notes without really gaining an understanding of
why they occurred. Continued revelation is needed. Talking about temple oaths
and why they occurred is between the President of the Church and the Savior of
which is the head of the Church. The others really don't require any statements
to the contrary because they basically are ridiculous as shown by your total
hate.And what book is villified by your Mormon relatives and now
gifted at the door. If you are talking about the Book of Mormon, then you
really don't understand the importance of this magnificient book.
@youtes "To do that about what?"I was
referring to the post by "Grace | 11:20 a.m. June 29, 2011"
@Utes Fan"To obfuscate, muddle, exaggerate, etc."To do that about what?
@youtes"Grace: What's your point?"To
obfuscate, muddle, exaggerate, etc.
Grace: What's your point?
@MTGIRL2I really think you need to go back to the King James version
and read that scripture again.If you got it out of some other
version, then we need to talk about who is authorized to interpret the
scriptures. There are a lot of KJ scriptures that are pretty poor, but other
versions are so far off that one would hardly know that it is scripture.Also, what do we do with all the missing scriptures?
The elephant in the room is why it takes a secular agency to shed light on a
religion that has had its own prophetic voice for its entire 181 years? Just
looking at the factual history of the church makes non-members dizzy at the
180's (ie., total reversals of its core teachings):Maybe claiming
that plural marriage is the order of heaven and then rescinding that revelation
50+ years later was confusing... Or proclaiming that black skin was a curse and
prohibiting that race from priesthood vestments for almost 150 years was
offensive to historical, Biblical Christians... Or could it be that
vascillations on the temple oaths and then total removal of them in 1991 added
to the confusion... Take the aggressive flight from/ and attack of any group
that smacked of Joseph's D&C 132 revelation was hard to understand... As
was the 20 year obfuscation of John D. Lee and his 50+ cohorts...The
LDS "evolutionary" process eventually has the earmarks of a religion
that is in continual metamorphisis. If it isn't in perpetual reinvention, why
is the book that was vilified by all 6 of my previous Mormon generations, now
gifted at doorsteps?
MTGIRL2, Since the book of Revelations was written before many of
the other books in the New Testament, I guess you would have to throw them out
as well, right? The warning in Revelations was referring ONLY to the book of
Revelations. Thank goodness for that. I really enjoy the New Testament. I would
hate to have to throw it out.
The truth is out there? And not Cosmo Kramer's "out there"
JM, The Bible is about Jesus blood redemption, you will find this scarlet thread
throughout the Word of God. The Prophesy of the Blood, From the very beginning
of human history, it is revealed. When Adam and Eve sinned, God shed innocent
blood in order to make them clothes from animal skins (Gen 3:21). This is a
picture of the covering of righteousness that we receive when the Lord Jesus
Christ died for us.God told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac (Gen
22).But, Abraham saw a ram in a thicket. Isaac was set free, but an innocent
animal's blood was shed instead.The night of the Passover, God instructed
each house to slay a lamb and put the blood on their door. God said in Ex 12:13,
"When I see the blood, I will pass over you." In the temple,
thousands of sheep, oxen, and doves were killed and their blood spilt as
sacrifices for sin. And finally, the Lord Jesus Christ died upon the
cross. His death was the fulfillment of all the prophecy and promises. Rev 13:8
proclaims that He was slain before the foundation of the world. He came to die.
There were a few small inaccuracies but on the whole it was a nicely presented
video. I was pleasantly surprised since you see so many inaccuracies out there.
For the person who said the church was conservative hmm That kind of
comment has always bothered me. The Church is not political. Many people in the
church are conservative politically but that is not the Church. Politics is not
our religion. It might pay to keep that in mind. :D
I am an employee of CNN here in Atlanta and a Mormon. Glad to see something
postive written about my employer.
"Where did we get to a place that the trappings became so dominant in our
Church?"I don't know that it has been that way in my
experience. As a member of an Elders Quorum Presidency, I have to say most of my
involvement in the church is simply getting down to the nitty-gritty of helping
myself and others to live a Christ-like life, that is to say serving people in
very practical ways. And the thing that stands out most from my experiences in
the church from childhood and throughout my youth is learning about the Savior,
his teachings, the Atonement, etc. Sure, I learned about Joseph Smith and Golden
plates, etc., but always in the context of the broader mission of the savior and
his gospel, and I make no apology for it. These things were essential to the
Savior's mission in my view.
@IdahoCoug I agree that Christ is the Center of our lives, the center of the
BoM and the Gospel, but He is also the center of everything, every trapping:
auxiliary, service project, calling, Home Evening, Word of Wisdom, etc. My
point of view is that Christ changes some "trappings" as cultures and
people change, and others stay the same (and you might notice more of those
eternal truths as you reread the BoM, attend the Temple, and continue your
studies :), carry on). All things point to Christ.@Moniker Some fulltime DN commentators admit they are
"anti-Mormon." "DN anti-Mormon" refers to them and people
who try to work something negative about Mormons, LDS faith, etc into every
article, perhaps hoping to lead down. Sometimes they pretend to be
LDS in their first comments, then not later etc. A recent AP
article discussed how "anti-Mormonism" is alive, while some other
forms of bigotry are dying. We shouldn't bury our heads about this. Many keeping bigotry alive reject the title "anti-Mormon," even to
themselves. Some dont want us to know what they are up to, others know that
anti-Mormons are often "mean people" who fight "COEXISTing.
RE: Razzle2I'm not sure why your ancestors journals claim that
polygamy started with Brigham Young around 1850. That is simply not true. Joseph
Smith introduced polygamy long before even his wife knew about it. You should
read Todd Compton's (active LDS), I believe sold at Deseret Book "In Sacred
Loneliness".Also CNN's reporting although accurate seemed to me like
he took the "Preach My Gospel Manual and was using that as his source.One more thing, people- we do still practice polygamy in our temples and it's
doctrinal! (See section 132 of the D & C) I have asked my wife that if
something ever happens to her what her views would be if I marry someone else
and are sealed to that person too. Is that not polygamy?
Linus - great comment! My favorite LDS quote was by Joseph Smith who said (I
paraphrase) that outside of the Savior everything else is just trappings. As I
am re-reading the Book of Mormon it is clear that it is almost soley looking for
and teaching of Jesus Christ (with a few wars and contentions thrown in for good
measure). You have to strain to find any of the trappings of Mormonism within
that book that seem to dominate much of who we are perceived to be today.Where did we get to a place that the trappings became so dominant in our
Church? It can be very difficult to get through the "clutter" of
everything else Mormonism and to the heart of the Gospel - Jesus Christ, His
atonement, and our need to honor his atonement by being as loving and charitable
as possible. For me, my testimony centers on the Savior, service and
charity. Everything else is trappings and clutter.
While I appreciate the effort to provide some accuracy in their depiction of the
trappings of Mormonism, there was no effort to accurately characterize their
core Christian feelings of love, reverence, gratitude and worship of Jesus
Christ as Savior and Redeemer of mankind through His great atoning sacrifice.
"Fox may be biased, but it is fair to say they are more balanced than the
others. During the Massachussettes senator elections they were pretty much 50/50
in Republican/Democrat coverage while the others were about 70/30 in favor of
Democrats"But does it count if the anchors all show bias for
Republicans and against Democrats. Fox covers Obama a ton but how much of that
was calling him a radical, socialist, extremist, who some say isn't born in
america or isn't christian, who has a radical pastor who teaches black
liberation theology...and he's a racist? Even if it's 50/50 that doesn't mean
it's fair and balanced.
it wont change anything the people that always have nothing but negative
comments and views towards the people of the LDS faith will not change their
perception one iota. but thats ok I know a lot of LDS people and they will just
keep on going and never be discourged
"Evangelicals are famous for keeping their flock in the dark as much as
possible and discouraging them from any sort of investigation. Pretty sad but
very predictable."Are you serious? I think you have it
backward. In Revelations it warns people not to add extra-biblical
"revelations" (i.e., book of mormon). I used to belong, I know there
are good people in your church, well meaning, but the Bible is what you need to
follow, and they don't encourage that. Its all about joseph smith,etc. You are
the ones kept in the dark. Hope you will have an open heart. Have a blessed
Professor Butler gave an amazingly accurate account of Mormon belief. The only
error I noticed, was a small one, that doesn't have a bearing on doctrine, which
was her statement that the vision of Moroni was in the Sacred Grove, rather than
in Joseph's bedroom.Congratulations to CNN and Professor Butler for
a great representation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Nice. I think we should thank them. Maybe that would encourage more accurate
DanO,You misrepresent the Pew Study. The Pew Study did not rate the
broadcasters on their "truthful reporting" or knowledge of current
events. It rated those who watch the programs on they, the viewer's grasp of
current events, and then backtracked or linked their knowledge in response to
their questions about TARP, auto bailouts, etc, to give the ratings for
"most informed viewers claim to watch which broadcast."People with the best/accurate answers to the questions listed the comedy shows
as their most-watched show. Fox-viewers were kind of mediocre, but way way
above the marks given those who claim reliance on network newscasts. All that
tells me is that the better read/up-to-date viewers are bored with typical
news/info sources, and can laugh harder as they really know what's going on
despite the twists and turns of Colbert and Stewart.
JM:I have to say that the term "anti-Mormon" really bothers me
and a lot of people I know. If somebody has a particular criticism of the
church or something that doesn't quite rub them the right way, that doesn't
necessarily make them "anti-Mormon". I happen to have more than one
criticism regarding LDS doctrines and practices, but I also have a lot of LDS
people in my life whom I love. My criticisms and reservations don't make me
anti-Mormon. Moreover, I have spent over 30 years educating myself (25 within
the church) and I never say anything that I know to be false. When you use
the term "anti-Mormon", you attempt to swiftly and abruptly discredit
a person before really listening to or digesting what they have to say.If
somebody says something that is factually incorrect, I think it is appropriate
to point out the error and, in addition, provide the correct information. If it
isn't a matter of factuality but rather perception, it's fine to share any
insight that you feel might make a difference in helping somebody see things a
different way. The term "anti-Mormon", however, is divisive.
A few years ago, I was told by multiple people who served in the military in
Iraq that Fox News was the only news station that reported it accurately. They
didn't like the other news stations because they twisted the story to fit the
liberal view, while Fox told it how it was.Fox may be biased, but it
is fair to say they are more balanced than the others. During the
Massachussettes senator elections they were pretty much 50/50 in
Republican/Democrat coverage while the others were about 70/30 in favor of
Democrats (the margin may not have been even that narrow, either). Some
Republicans don't like Fox because of how fiery it can get, while the Democrats
hate it because it often exposes the truth.That being said, I am
rather surprised that CNN actually reported this accurately, and I hope Fox
comes out with one of their own to improve their reputation.
Anderson Cooper on CNN is part of the cause of misconceptions when he reported
each night the news on Warren Jeffs with the Salt Lake Temple in his background.
I am never satisfied with these kinds of public explanations of LDS doctrine for
the simple fact that they always focus on the issues that are of the most
interest to outsiders rather than focusing on the doctrines that are actually
the most important. They spend all their time defending the LDS Church from
common misconceptions instead of informing people that the basic differance is
simply the fact they church leaders seek to be led by revelation directly from
How could the liberal CNN do an accurate news piece on a religion that is
clearly to the right?I thought liberals hate America and hate
Are you kidding? I have yet to have a Gospel Doctrine teacher who can present
the Gospel accurately! I have not had a single seminary or institute teacher who
taught it accurately. Why should I expect CNN to get it right?
I am amazed that anybody got it right. It just shows you that journalists and
academics can get it right if they try. However, I do wonder with Reverend
Huckabee at Fox if they would ever be as accurate. I once heard a news anchor at
Fox say that Mitt Romney's home state was Utah. Yes, the governor of
Massachusetts is from Utah. Other comments related to the LDS church seemed well
off the ark. No, I don't think Fox will ever nail this one down as CNN did.
Yes, the "truth", the questions Pew asked are completely biased
(sarcasm)Percent who could name:The current vice presidentTheir states governorThe president of RussiaPercent who knowAmerica has a trade deficitThe party controlling the HouseThe
Chief Justice is conservativePercent who could identifyTom
Foley/Nancy PelosiRichard Cheney/ Robert GatesJohn
I wish most "Utah Mormons" will watch this video and finally accept
the fact we are no longer "bread white" and all from Utah.In fact - Utah Mormons have been the minority of Church membership for quite
some time now.I waiting patiently for the 1st Hispanic Apostle to be
Moniker, It is probably true that your circle of friends in Taylorsville
is all aware that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not
practice polygamy. I have met people in Detroit who were confused about this
subject. I also met people on my mission in Las Vegas who had false notions on
this topic. I have also found website that speak of Warren Jeffs as a
"Mormon Leader" giving no indication that he is not part of the same
group that the missionaries who come knowking at people's doors are.
In the US media the coverage of this has gotten better in the last few years,
but there are websites that spread false information and many people skim the
news so slightly that they will come away with false impressions.
Actually the best place to link is mormon.org. That website is specifically
geared to telling people about the Church.
RE: DanO | 3:21 p.mName a source that isn't biased.Even
Pew Research has a liberal bias.Colbert Report and The Daily show
are comedy shows with a strong liberal bias, NOT a good source or real
information.If you rely on the comedy network for your information,
you are deep trouble my friend.
I hope Fox News does the same thing (explains LDS beliefs) in the near future.
It will be interesting to see how "fair and balanced" their
presentaion is and compare it to CNN's reporting.
Mugabe,The Chistian Church. The N. T. uses the word church to translate
ecclesia, in Greek literally "the called out" referring to those who
are saved(invisible church) and not to a religious assembly.We know
that all things work together for good to them who love Godand are called
according to His purpose. (See Romans 8:28) The Sovereign God(uncreated creator)
of the Bible, who calls(elects) according to his purpose.Nicene
creed: We believe in one holy(sanctified) catholic(universal believers) and
apostolic Church.Gospel(euangelion,2098)Good News or Good message.
St Paul, By this gospel(evangelical)l you are saved, if you hold firmly to the
word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I
received I passed on to you as of first importancea]: that Christ died for our
sins according to the criptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the
third day according to the Scriptures,(1Cor 15:2-5).The true Gospel was never
@ Emily, regarding the LDS church discouraging its members to search LDS history
from sources other than LDS, while I see you point, I think that is changing.
Especially in light of Anderson/Turley tome on Mountain Meadows, Bushman RSR and
the JS Papers. The problem with historical sources, of either side, there is too
much bias. I think and hope that is finally changing.
That is nice to get some fair coverage and to not pander to some religions that
don't care for the LDS church. As for polygamy, there is still quite a few
people that do think that this is part of the church practice. I don't know if
Romney or Huntsman would become president, but I do hope that they will not feel
that they have to hide what their religion is. I do think that people in this
nation are understanding who the Mormons are more, but there will always be
misconceptions and people who try to spin things to make it sound like they are
following some really bizarre ideas. I read some of the things anti's will spin
and if I didn't know more then they obviously do, I would be quite alarmed.
Wish with the internet, people would check out what they read.
Job well done, CNN. Certainly, more could be expounded upon, but folks who want
to know more can do that by going to the church website or visit a church in
their local area.
I'm a conservative that does not like Fox News.CNN did good based on the
time constraint.For everything CNN got right, MSNBC is messing it up even
worse.For the record according to my ancestors journals, polygamy was not
introduced to the general church until 1850 under Brigham Young, although he
used quotes from Joseph Smith. Most members never practiced it, as it was
commanded only to a few. However, since the polygamous were so prosperous, the
majority of the next generations came from polygamous families.
The world is on a campaign to change the name that God has given us that
entitles us to become "fellowcitizens with the saints and of the household
of God." In every dispensation the Lord has appeared personally to settle
disputations as what name we should be known by. He came in 3 Nephi, when the
people were murmuring about this thing. (27:4)He came in our
dispensation, Doctrine and Covenants 115:5, and revealed to all of the people,
not just the prophet, the same information, "For thus shall my church be
called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
(v 4)"Why do you suppose that the word "Latter," is
included in the name? It has to mean that those who were members of Christ
church in former times were also called saints. Judging from Paul's teachings,
It appears that this name change was the result of the apostasy of the early
saints.We may be doing more harm than good by trying appeal to the
other "faiths," if there is such a thing. The scriptures teach us
that there is "One Lord one faith one baptism."
I can't speak for the world, but nobody I know is laboring under the delusion
that mainstream LDS practice polygamy. If it wasn't clear already, we can thank
Big Love for getting the word out. The question that people ought to
be asking themselves, in my opinion, is not if mainstream LDS practice polygamy,
but: Was Joseph Smith, a founding prophet to both the LDS church and the RLDS
church, visited by an angel with a flaming sword and threatened by said angel if
he declined to practice polygamy?Joseph Smith did claim to be
visited by an angel and threatened if he did not practice polygamy. Those who believe this account should not be embarassed by polygamy or
apologize for it because it must have been instructed of God. Those who
reject this account care little that the LDS church has since abandoned the
practice. It seems that simple to me, anyway.
I watched the short clip done by Professor Butler, and there were some things
that she did not get right. I don't mean to be nick picky, nor is it my intent
to criticize the commentary, but when answering questions concerning the Church
of Jesus Christ, the doctrine, pertaining to the question, should be taught.
The statement that Professor Butler made that, "Joseph was the founder of
the church," is way off base, and is misleading, not in harmony with the
doctrine. one of the four important doctrines we are to make sure that the
people we teach understand is found in "Preach my Gospel." It
states:Beginning with the First Vision, God has again reached out in
love to His children. He restored the gospel of Jesus Christ and his priesthood
authority and organized His Church on the earth through the Prophet Joseph
Smith. the Book of Mormon is convincing evidence of this Restoration. (Page
7)This is important because it establishes that God did not restore
to this earth a "Christian church." The Christian church was the only
church organization on earth, after the apostasy of the early Saints, and prior
to the restoration of the gospel.
Analysis of the Church was fair but constrained by time. Many people would like
to expand on some of these beliefs. I guess they could go to lds.org but I doubt
many would. Overall, it was as fair an analysis I have seen.
VST, while you might trust them, it doesn't mean they're unbiased, they just
seem to support your own biases. And Eddie, according to Pew Research, public
knowledge of current affairs isn't Fox News strong point. They scored a 35 on
high knowledge level. Admittedly, CNN scored a 41, but both were bested by
Colbert Report/Daily show at 54.
I thought it was a nice description without getting defensive or pointing
fingers. Just nice and to the point!...And, very understandable!
My cousin has a moral disability. He can take advantage of other people, and he
doesn't seem to see it as something that is wrong, that he ought to be ashamed
of. If you watch the movie "The Bad Seed", you will get an idea of
what I am talking about. Some people are just wired differently.
@VST["What political news source do you trust the
most?"Fox News scored the highest at 28%. CNN was second at
18%. All of the others were way behind these two (10% or less).]If,
as conservatives believe is the case, everyone else is the "mainstream
liberal media" and then there's Fox... wouldn't that mean Fox would win
because all the others are splitting the mainstream media vote? So I don't think
the poll really says all that much except that Fox News is where conservatives
get their news. I have a feeling that if asked "what political news source
do you trust the least" fox would also win that one for the same reason.
It's rather anomalous which tends to lead itself to strong opinions one way or
I have to agree that this was one of the most neutral and accurate non-LDS
depictions of Mormonism that I have seen. It doesn't come close to answering
every question people will have or addressing every aspect they may have heard
about but it also didn't perpetuate false beliefs. Now the challenge
remains that even a very neutral and accurate portrayal of the LDS faith will
still seem very odd and silly to many. That is just the nature of spiritual and
supernatural beliefs. They tend to defy logic by their very nature which is why
religion is all about faith.
@ MenaceToSocietyYou have not seen the "test" that was
given to a various people about current events. FOX News people scored much
higher than CNN or any other news givers. The quality of questions were such
that made it completly unbiased.This article really suprised me
also. CNN is not known for its facts, but I do have to admit, they have turned
things around the last few months. Maybe they have been looking at the polls and
see where they are vs FOX News along with MSNBC, and the big three news
'Accurate' and 'religion.' That's cute!
Patriot, I couldn't help laughing when I read your comment"CNN
could save itself a lot of trouble by just adding a link to lds.org. People
could then find out all they wanted about our beliefs and then some. You can
never trust a news organization to be accurate ... too much bias and political
motivation in the big news organizations today."Bias and
"political" motivations is exactly why many people would seek out a
news organization to find out about a particular religion instead of going
directly to the source. A third party is more likely to be transparent, since
they aren't trying to convert you. CNN used a very neutral tone, which I
appreciated."Evangelicals are famous for keeping their flock in
the dark as much as possible and discouraging them from any sort of
investigation. Pretty sad but very predictable."These remarks
can easily be applied to the LDS church as well, since they discourage their
members from using outside sources to investigate church history and beliefs.
Even if a book or article is historically accurate, it can be labeled
"anti-Mormon" if it doesn't present the church in a positive light.
Well done within the time constraints and fairly stated.
Another step in the right direction. Maybe more people will start to realize
that an LDS president will not try to force their values on the citizens of this
country any more than JFK tried to as the Catholic president.
Good job. A fair video with all the key facts in place within the time
constraints. Nice to see a fair impartial report. Hats off to Mr. Ferguson.Keep up the good work.
Now if we could just get the DN comment anti-Mormons to be accurate.....: )
CNN could save itself a lot of trouble by just adding a link to lds.org. People
could then find out all they wanted about our beliefs and then some. You can
never trust a news organization to be accurate ... too much bias and political
motivation in the big news organizations today. I think most of the fear and
hate misinformation is coming from the evangelicals since they see their bottom
line ($$$) being effected if a Mormon is elected. Evangelicals are famous for
keeping their flock in the dark as much as possible and discouraging them from
any sort of investigation. Pretty sad but very predictable.
Draper, UTYou answered your own question. Fox rocks, CNN sucks.
Why would you be surprised CNN got it right? It's not Fox News.
"Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or
rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no
record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoiceswhenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always
hopeful, and endures through every circumstance."-1 CORINTHIANS
13:4-7"Jesus replied, 'The most important commandment is this:
The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. And you must LOVE the Lord your God
with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength. The
second is equally important: Love your neighbor as yourself. No other
commandment is greater than these.'"-MARK 12:29-31"So now I (Jesus) am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just
as I have loved you, you should LOVE each other."-JOHN 13:34"We LOVE Him, because He first loved us."-1 JOHN
4:19When I was at the lowest point in my life, I heard a chap named
Dr. Robert H. Schuller saying, "Tough times never last, but tough people
Wow, other then ending abruptly, that was a good video.
Wow, I'm shocked... CNN got it right with the facts in this short clip. That's
great and I really appreciate it. yes i do.
I watched this last week and while you could nit-pic here and there and want
this or that added I thought it was fair given the format and time constraints-
that is about all you ask for in such a forum