Tyler, it's obvious you can't see talent when it's in front of you, according to
Corbin the Jazz would have taken Jimmer if he had been there and Sac. took
Jimmer at 10, not because he's a celebrity or something but because he has the
skills you say you don't see. Jimmer has the skills to be very successfull in
the NBA, not just a reserve or role player but a starter and possibly an
allstar, if players like Nash and Price can become allstars, so can Jimmer, he
has as much potential as they do or did. Jimmer's shooting and ball handling are
already aba level, his passing is much underrated, his floor vision is good, he
won't be the best defensive player in the league but he will do fine. Jimmer is
a winner and he is a hard worker, he will put in the time to improve in the
areas he needs to and will prove people wrong who doubt him.
"Would you mind clarifying your "cult" comments? Are you
referring to star NBA player groupies or simply trying to bash a geographic
region/religion? Either way your comments make little sense." ---Indiana Coug, directed to MiPI'm not sure how my comment made
little sense to you, other than you not agreeing with it. I was talking about
Jimmermania and the amount of pub he gets---much of which I feel is justified
but sometimes out-of-proportion to his status as an NBA rookie and his college
career which netted 3 NCAA tourney victories. "Cult"
followers was a quote from his new coach. You'd know that if you had read the
article. No question many of Jimmers followers have acted crazy---as
many fans do---even bowing to him on national TV. Don't believe me that some of
his fans can get nuts? Ask the Y coed who wrote the op-ed piece to the Daily
Universe about the Jimmer worship--then got ridiculed. It's fun to
watch Jimmermania. And I have no doubts Jimmer is a great player. Doesn't mean I
have to mention him on facebook everyday or light a candle at his shrine.
Jimmer is gonna be a HUGE star in Sacramento. He will thrive under Westphal's
system and will get a chance to start right a way. Yes, he will have to learn
how to defend against NBA point guards but he has the athletic ability to do it
as he proved in the NBA combine. He doesn't have to be a lockdown defender. He
just needs to defend well enough that he is not a liability and this should not
be a problem for him. And we all know scoring won't be a problem for him either.
He will be great with the Kings. It was probably the best situation he could
have landed in - even better than Utah or Phoenix.
@ 1984 for life,"Can't wait to see the reaction from Tyreke
Evans and DeMarcus Cousins the first time Jimmer hoists up a 40 footer."Yeah, an awe-struck face would be fun to see. Especially when the Kings'
fans all go nuts and cheer their heads off.
The only ones who aren't Fredette fans are the ones who got owned by him and
can't accept the fact that yes, their whole entire team got destroyed by a
white, mormon guy who's 6'2''.
Thank you Swoop for the clarification. Hedgie is not a woman of her words is
she?By the way Hedgie, you were wrong 34 times last year on your BYU
basketball predictions. Keep up the solid work.
Tyler you are new to the D-News boards. Hedgie is not a critic, she is simply
all about hating anything and everything about BYU and the LDS church. Go back
and read ANY BYU article and then come back on and comment on how you agree with
1984 for lifeI can't wait to see the faces of Tyreke Evans and
DeMarcus Cousins the first time Jimmer buries a 40-footer as effortlessly as
they hit 15-footers.
Can't wait to see the reaction from Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins the first
time Jimmer hoists up a 40 footer.
I can't wait for the first time he crosses over on Kobe leaving kobe in the
dust, that is when I will the naysayers will have to give it up... And that will
happen. No one has stopped him yet, they have talked about him failing, hoped
he would fail, but he has never failed. His is a great kid with "hard
TJThe Jimmer doubters are crossing their fingers, hoping that Jimmer
has an less than average rookie season. Their worst nightmare would be seeing
Jimmermania in the NBA. The Jimmer haters will be in full panic mode if that
happens. They've already been forced to raise the bar so often it's getting
ridiculous, even for them:Sweet Sixteen - checkConcensus NPOY
- checkNBA draftee - checkLottery pick - checkNBA starter -
already a near lockNBA rookie all-star - pending
Jimmer was a spectacular college player. He earned every bit of what he got and
he earned all relevant NPOY awards. I did not believe this was possible at the
beginning of last season. I do believe it was deserved. I will never bet against
him again. I believe he will have a good NBA career because he simply does not
have it in him to fail. I would be surprised if he is not in the All star
weekend on the rookie team this year and would love to see him in the 3 point
shooting contest. It would be the first time I have watched any all-star weekend
for years. He is in a position to get a lot of PT this year and I am anxious to
see how he does.Extremely classy person.
@ Bugoff,Good analysis of Jimmer, but those who watched enough of
Jimmer's college games (all 3 starting years) know that he'll have no problem
distributing the ball to other shooters. He would've averaged 2+ times as many
career assists had his teammates been just average college shooters.He'll use his long-ball capability to catch sagging defenders off guard.
That'll break down defenses as they scramble to stop it.Jimmer's
cross-over will free him up from perimeter defenders to help open up teammates
because the Kings will then have a number advantage.His ability to
drive the basket AND take phyiscal play will open up teammates for dunks or
treys, and get his 90+% foul shooting into effect.It's going to be
fun watching him grow in the NBA. He'll be an all-star soon enough, then morph
into the superstar he's quite capable of being. He's already a
"celebrity" superstar, and for a reason: he jimmers!The
Kings got lucky.
Freddette has a great attitude. I wish him the best.
IIRC, former Brigham Young great Ainge wore the number 7 during his short stint
in Sacto, after he was dealt by the Celts. Ainge then went on to several
productive years after Sacramento (Portland, Phoenix) before his years as a TV
analyst, PHX coach and GM for Bah-stun.Seven a good choice for the
Jimmer as he helps revive a moribund franchise.
Jimmer will most likely be the starting PG on a team full of players who need
and demand a lot of touches and tend to require the ball in their hands to be
effective.He will be like Nash. So many demands, only one ball. Jimmer's biggest problem is going to be running a team full of gunners
effectively. Everybody knows he can shoot but SAC is full of shooters. Jimmer is going to be taxed to the limit learning how to distribute and pass.
SAC does not play a lot of D so that will come along.If he makes the
transition to distributive PG then he will be a complete PG. If he is in the top
10 in assists then Jimmer has found a home in the NBA. Other teams
will want him as they know he can shoot and it will be clear he has developed
his PG and defensive skills.
hedgehog"I'm sure the Kings will be looking to start over with
the first pick of the 2012 NBA Draft."hedgehog | 11:20 a.m.
Feb. 26, 2011 "Just to let you know how confindent I am in a [Cougar]
loss today [BYU at SDSU]. I will stop any and all posts on [BYU] articles for
the remaining basketabll season if the [Cougars] somehow pull out a
win."Chris B | 11:32 a.m. March 1, 2011Salt Lake City,
UT"In fact, if [BYU] gets to the Sweet 16, I will post nothing but
accolades to your team..."------------------------Your predictions/promises are like pie crusts -- easily made and easily
The most exciting college player as many experts have commented since Pete
Maravich. Unaminous college POY. I don't recall the kid being blocked at the
rim in countless finishes in the half court. Most of America is rooting for
him. His game has so much charisma. Like many I started out a doubter but
after his 49 point game at Arizona I got on board.
Darned if you and darned if you don't. I hope Jimmer who is one of oldest
players drafted, will be good player, but that does not mean the Kantor pick is
those haters are not worth reading. Good luck Jimmer and have fun!
hedge. for living in where ever you live, you sure like to comment
about jimmer and just tell us how awful he's going to be. I think
you'll be eating your words when the KINGS have a better record than the JAZZ
"Jimmermania exists because of the way Jimmer plays, not because of the
hype from Jimmer fans." Sportscenter. I disagree. I think
it's more than just his ball play. Sure, I enjoy Jimmer's game and think he will
do well in the NBA. But "mania" occurs as a result of the frenzied
fandom. Think Beattle-mania. Solid band. Outrageous fan base. Jimmer's got lots
of "intangibles" that would appeal to many fans: he's clean cut,
white, gives a good interview, has a brother who raps, is from a small town, and
played with prisoners. He's likeable. But his worshipfulness have grown beyond
what is typically expected of the #10 pick. But that's just my opinion.Also, though first round picks, no question Stockton and Malone didn't have,
nor had they earned, the hype Jimmer has so far. But Stockton and Malone
continued their incredible work ethic and it paid huge dividends down the road.
Jimmer certainly could do the same. Hopefully he does. But like the
N'Sync, the macarena, and the hula hoop; hype can't make up the difference when
something else is lacking. It's up to him to prove to the detractors that his
game is the real mania.
The NBA is all about filling the seats. Jimmer will fill the seats here in
Sacramento. Yes, he will have bring his skill set up to NBA standards - No
problem. We are glad to have Jimmer, even if it is only for a year before he
becomes one of the Anaheim Royals.
Seeing Fredette holding a Kings jersey rather than a Jazz jersey is a beautiful
thing! I'm excited for the Burks and Kanter picks, but I'm equally happy the
Jazz didn't get Fredette. Great college player does not equal great pro. Just
ask JJ Redick, Mateen Cleaves, Adam Morrison, Steve Alford, and countless
others. College does not equal NBA.
"and that Jimmer will be named to the all-rookie team."true blew,As the 10th pick in the draft he better be...or be
considered one of the biggest bust in NBA history.Even old Adam
Morrison made the rookie team.
"Larry Bird had his critics, too. And John Stockton??? Remember?"TomCA, Adam Morrison had his critics too..... remember?
RE: MiPWould you mind clarifying your "cult" comments?
Are you referring to star NBA player groupies or simply trying to bash a
geographic region/religion? Either way your comments make little sense. To
illustrate I'll remind you of the ESPN headline for the day following the draft:
"Irving 1/Williams 2/Fredette 10". Actually, you might wan to
go to the ESPN website right now... The Jimmer has his own section of the NBA
tab of the website and his name is in more headlines than the #1 pick. Maybe
all real sports fans should consider themselves part of this "cult"
you're talking about.
Everybody is a fan. Everybody is a critic. Can we let them just play
already...hopefully on time and without a long lockout. What worries me is not
whether Jimmer has skills (he does)or if he can play at the pro level (he
undoubtedly can)but whether or not he landed on a team that will help further
his development. Lots of ball-hogs on Sacto. Without serious coaching his growth
and development could be stunted on that team. Evans and Cousins might be
difficult teammates when it comes to running pro style sets, passing and sharing
the ball, etc. Remember, even hall of fame studs like John and Karl took good
fundamental coaching and development as well as their own skills and work ethic
to get where they are now. Will Jimmer get that in Sacto?
@ daddman,What, there's life outside of Jimmermania?Who
knew?@ morganh,I think they're evil twins.
Larry Bird had his critics, too. And John Stockton??? Remember?
What is a hedgehog? Is that something you find on the side of the road?
goodDrThat is exactly the mentality I am talking about. Because I
am not an NBA scout, my opinion is no longer allowed? Isn't discussing and
giving opinions part of the appeal of sports? Of course I am not an expert, but
I feel like I watch enough basketball and read enough of those who ARE paid to
make those judgements to make some of my own. What scout are you?
What gives you the "credentials" to undermine my views? Your pro
Jimmer opinions hold as much weight as my marginal-Jimmer opinions.If you want some expert opinions, most that I have read believe the Kings did
the worst out of any team in the draft.Also, not one of the players
drafted this year will be Hall of Fame caliber. I don't even think any will be
regular all stars. I do think this draft was full of players teams could use in
a rotation who will contribute and fill certain needs. Similar to JJ Barrea on
Dallas.I, along with you, will probably forget about these posts in
the next couple of days.
StarfarerMy sentiments exactly. I don't know if it was you but we also
found out that hedgehog and chris b are the same person.
MiPSo, what distinguishes the Jimmer "cult", from the
Stockton and Mailman "cults"?Jimmer accomplished far more
in college than either one of Utah's "statues".And, the
excitement produced by Jimmer's game is lightyears ahead of anything Stockton or
Malone did in college. Jimmermania exists because of the way Jimmer plays, not
because of the hype from Jimmer fans.
I like Jimmer!
Nothing but good words for the young man himself, he clearly has skills and more
importantly his head on straight, but some of you Jimmerttes need to get a life.
Prediction:Jimmer NBA jerseys will outsell Kantor and Burks NBA
jerseys COMBINED ten-to-one next season.
Utah Jazz fan Chris "Its stupid that people think that its the
end of the world just because utah didn't get ONE PLAYER!"What's stupid is thinking that NOT picking ONE PLAYER couldn't be franchise
altering.How would Bulls/NBA history have changed if Portland had
picked Michael Jordan, instead of Sam Bowie? Or Jazz/Mavericks history, if
Dallas had picked John Stockton instead of Terrance Stansbury? Or Jazz/Spurs
history, if the Jazz had picked Alfredrick Hughes instead of Karl Malone?No, none of those changes would have been the "end of the
world", but any one of those changes could have SIGNIFICANTLY changed Jazz
history.At this point, nobody knows how the NBA careers of any of
this year's draftees will turn out, but if Jimmer turns out to be another
Stockton or Nash, the Jazz will never hear the end of it.Opinions of
the Jimmer lovers are just as valid as the Jimmer naysayers/haters.fyi, Chris, many Jimmer fans are first and foremost, BYU fans; the Jazz are
meerly a team of casual interest for some of them, and the Jazz just lost a good
portion of those fans.
Tyler,it is a good thing that you are not sold on Jimmer making it in the
NBA. Please tell me which team you are the head scout for and I will really be
amused if they were one of the 9 teams that passed on Jimmer. Otherwise, you and
your opinions are just that, your opinion. In the opinion of others, jimmer's
skills will translate into the NBA. Please tell me which player you will
guarantee me that their skills will translate into a hall of fame career in this
years draft. Pick wisely. What you post will be remembered.
I'm encouraged by the comments of those who expect Jimmer to fail, as well as
those who love Jimmer, but don't expect him to amount to much in the NBA.Why am I encouraged? Because those who know Jimmer, know
that comments like that send him soaring high enough to exceed all
expectations.Dissers, Thanks for fanning the Jimmer flame!!!
wowwwww! Its stupid that people think that its the end of the world just because
utah didn't get ONE PLAYER! Go ahead, be a sacramento fan but when jazz have
sucess don't jump back to the jazz wagon just stay at your precious jimmer
"...been in some situations where some of my players have had cult
followings before."---Coach Westphal So he sees
Jimmer's followers as a cult.No surprise. The hero
worship was at fever pitch this past Winter in the Marriot Center. Now it's onto
the Kings bandwagon. Soon "Jimmer" or "James (aka Jimmer)"
will be in the top 5 of Utah baby names. There's a lot of hype with
this pick. Hopefully he lives up to it. Would hate to see the cult disappointed.
Just an FYI to the writer of this article that Marcus Thornton averaged 12.8 ppg
hedgehog"I'm sure the Kings will be looking to start over with
the first pick of the 2012 NBA Draft."yeah, yeahAnd, I'm sure that Jimmer will be a starter for the Kings in his rooke season,
that the Kings will finish with a better winning percentage than they had last
season, and that Jimmer will be named to the all-rookie team.Mark it
It appears that no matter how much success Jimmer achieves, there will always be
those who will never ever give him any credit at all. There's nothing I would
love to see more than for Jimmer to prove them wrong and become a huge success
in the pros just like he did in college. Most especially, I hope he becomes a
huge success with the Kings, if nothing else, just to prove his haters wrong and
silence a lot of his critics, not that they give a darn anyhow. They will
always hate him regardless! As for being a hall of famer one day, I think it's
way too soon to even mention that but with Jimmer's attitude, work ethic, and
determination, I wouldn't even put that beyond him. Only time will tell!
Funny how peoples' passions cause them to go all out in one direction or another
and forget all about balance. Some see Jimmer as the second coming of MJ, and
others see him as a total bust. What is more likely is that he will have a solid
if unspectacular career. His level-headedness and work ethic
increase the probability that he will survive in the league. We have seen enough
first round picks in Utah that never panned out and in most cases they were
either head cases (Luther Wright, anyone?), incomprehensibly bad picks (Walter
Palmer) or not coachable (Kirk Snyder). Occasionally a selfish,
emotionally imbalanced player can stick with the league through talent alone,
but that wouldn't be Jimmer - his talents are limited enough that he will need
all the abilities of his mind and determination to make it. The big
question is how far that will take it, and that is something no body knows yet.
Can't wait to purchase the Jimmer jersey.
Why do Jimmer lovers thing those that criticize him hate him? It is really
simple to why I am not sold on him; I do not think his skills will transition to
the NBA. At least not at the same level as his college game was. I do not hate
him, I hope he does well. I really believe most critics do not hate him, but
Jimmer worshipers do not accept any critiques on his game. I agree with
hedgehog, the Kings will still be in turmoil next year. Jimmer will
not be a star or hall of famer. I put his ceiling at a rich man's JJ Barrea.
Trust me, there are much worse things to be than that. That would mean he would
have a solid career by finding a nice area to fill for a team.
There is one reality now, what you did in the past got you where you are. But
you do in the future will determine if you stay. Jimmer has to produce. But
once he finds his role with the Kings and settles in, I believe he's going to be
a solid addition to their team. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.
This much is obvious, he will do all he can, give all he can, and care all he
can to make it happen. There will always be the detractors, the ones that
belittle. They are not true sports fans who love the game and respect it
regardless of who the player or the team is.
StarfarerWell said ...
HedgeWhat is your point? You dislike Jimmer? Message
received.You hate BYU? Got it.You dislike Mormons. Yeah
for you.The real question is why? Why do you even care? Momma always told me, if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all.It would be different if you actually had something to say except that
you hate BYU and you want Jimmer to fail.Have you ever acknowledged
Jimmer for what he's accomplished? See there's the difference. You
just hate. The Kings were happy to select Jimmer 10th, and frankly
they have a more level head, clear thinking, and are not tainted by hate. So if
you don't mind, I will go with those who are actually paid to have an
Another great hall of famer wore #7. I hope big brother TJ will
execute another contract with Jimmer:"I, Jimmer Fredette will
do whatever it takes to be inducted into the NBA hall of fame one day."
Prediction: NBA League Pass package sales will more than double in the state of
Utah when and if we have a season. The one and only reason....to follow
Jimmer....I will still be a Jazz fan but if he's in the 3 guard rotation which
is the word coming out of Sacramento, I will be watching every game I can.
Well, I'm no Fredette fan, but I will give kudos to the kid for not walking
around as if he's the KING!!!
I find it interesting that people out there cannot accept what Jimmer has done.
So before they get on here let me say first...Yes, he is that
good.Yes. he was taken as a lottery pick and in the top ten.Yes, he can and will play defense. If you are still a naysayer about
this point let me ask... Do you thin he doesn't have the ability? Look at the
combine report. Do you think he doesn't have the heart? How can you question
this kids heart? That's just silly. Do you think he doesn't have the will? Have
you ever seen him work out? I have. No questions.Yes, he has the
potential to start. All this stuff that he isn't good enough is inane, stupid
and silly. there is no argument that you have that isn't countered by examples
that are now successful in the NBA, or in drafts this season that are slower,
smaller, and didn't win POY.What really cracks me up is the vitriol
of people who just wish him to fail. Why? what's in it for you? What do want
him to NOT succeed?Give it a rest.
I'm sure the Kings will be looking to start over with the first pick of the 2012