@joe5. Is telling the truth whining to you? I am tired of big man projects. I
did not want either big man. Big men have been nothiing but disaters as draft
picks for the Jazz. I have been watching Jazz games since almost right after
they first came here. Picking a big man does not need to be high in the draft.
Mark eaton was in the 4th round. Waste 2nd round draft picks on big men. You get
the best players available in the lottery. I dont understand your logic.
If there is a lockout what happens in the draft lottery ?Do we keep # 3
and # 12 picks ?Recommend
Next year, the Jazz could have two more lottery picks in what could be one of
the strongest drafts in years. The Jazz's pick has been traded to Minnesota,
but is top 14 protected for 2012. The Jazz have also obtained the Warriors'
pick in 2012, which is top 7 protected.If there is a lockout, the
Jazz won't get much of a pre-season to install Corbin's new system or allow the
new players to mesh successfully. If the season is also shortened, any
significant improvement will probably come too late for the Jazz to make the
playoffs. Finally, the Western Conference is still very competitive, and in a
shortened, lockout season established veteran teams will have more of an
advantage than usual. Therefore, it is unlikely the Jazz will make the
play-offs next year, even if they show rapid, marked improvement.Also, even though the Warriors' odds of getting a top 7 pick next year
increased dramatically with Mark Jackson as their new coach, there is still one
"chance in he--" the Warriors won't totally tank the season.Can you imagine the depth the Jazz could build with two more lottery picks in
a very deep draft?
It looks to me like the Jazz were able to select two of the best five players in
the last two drafts--including two very good post players. If someone were to
do a "do-over" of the 2010 and the 2011 drafts in 5 years, after
everything has been sorted out and we know who have become good players and who
have become busts, it would not surprise me, if Favors is rated #1 or #2 for the
2010 draft, and Hayward is rated #4 or #5, in a draft that probably will have
produced 10-12 very good players. At the same time, it would not surprise me if
Kanter turned out to be rated #1 or #2 in the 2011 draft, and Burks turned out
to be rated #3 or #4--in a much weaker draft, but which will probably have
produced 6-8 very good players.
@He-man: I'm struggling with your illogic. You praise the choice of Biyombo
using the evidence that the Jazz strongly considered him. Then you criticize the
choice of Kanter because the Jazz chose him. Don't you see a contradiction in
those arguments?You sound like a whiner to me.
He-Man: Explain yourself if you think the Jazz could have done much better. I
disagree with your assesment, I think the Jazz did about as good as they could,
they got the best big man in the draft and the best 2 guard in the draft. I would have loved to see the Jazz get Jimmer, not because he played for BYU
but because of his game, he would have brought to the Jazz things they really
need, namely great outside shooting and a player who can create for himself and
others. Burks can do the create for himself and others part but Jimmer is a much
better shooter. Both have to work on D but both will be OK . With Kanter
and Burks, the Jazz couldn't have done much better, that is why they were most
peoples number one choice for who had the best draft.
Bobcats losers in this draft? Are you kidding me? Magette might not help them
but cant hurt them any more than Stephen Jackson. Besides Kemba Walker is da man
now. He will be a very good player for them. Bismack Biyombo is not too much
less proven than Enes Kanter. In fact some people thought the Jazz were going to
take him instead. Jazz could have done much better. You wait. If Enes
Kanter is another Dufus Festertag and O'Conner still has his job it will be deja
vu all over again.
Scares me when the experts agree with you. Trading Millsap would be the height
of stupidity. The Jazz don't need to bank their future on teenagers. They need
to keep the players that have proved they can produce, willing to play in Utah
and are willing to work in the off season.Portland just traded
Fernandez, why would they trade Roy?
Like I said, I'm not counting on Evans being able to make that transition to the
3 but if he could WOW. The last 2 yrs drafts would have produced a top notch
player at each position. Kanter at the 5, Favors at the 4, Evans at the 3,
Hayward at the 2 and Burks. I'm hoping Burks can eventually play the 1. I know
both Evans and Burks transitions to the 3 & 1 are long shots but it would be
I think with the talent that the DWill trade has brought in, we are in a good
position to rebound quickly (relatively speaking), Favors, Hayward, Kanter,
Burks, that's a pretty good young nucleas to start rebuilding with and then add
next yrs lottery pick or picks and we should be up and running. I an not
counting on him making a difference but Evans could be a player that will end up
helping us alot, if he can make the move to the 3 spot, he would be a major
positive, he is long, athletic, quick, if he can shoot and put the ball on the
floor alittle and then guard the 3's that would be great. He has the size that
would be perfect for a 3, he could guard the Durrants, Melo's, James's of the
league. I just hope he's working hard and can make the transition to the 3.
The same criticism leveled at MN can be applied to Utah. They were already
stacked at PF/C and Burks is not known for outside shooting or defense. In other words the list of winners and losers is pretty subjective. Based on several quantitative models the Jazz did well. Kanter and Jonas
were the best bigs in the draft. Williams is a good player but will attempt to
play SF where he has little experience. Burks based on some models
may be a better player than Kanter. The Jazz may have gotten 2 of
the top 5 players in the draft.The got the best or 2nd best big and
the best SG in the draft.Keep getting more talent and the Jazz will
start winning. There has been a tremendous talent drain in the last
year or so and Jazz management has not brought back replacement talent. Millsap replaced Boozer, AJ replaced Okur, Nobody replaced Millsap as
back up, Bell replaced both Brewer and Korver, Harris replaced DWill.You can't drop the team WP48 from 140 down to 70 and expect to win.
@shabo: You need to do your homework. Millsap not milsap. Look at Brandon Roy
contract.And his knees are shot.But you were correct about "fools."
Interesting...Kings is listed as loser in this draft
If there is a lockout Jonas will have to wait a year to play anyway. Toronto did
good snagging him when they did.I keep hearing alot of talk about
how Burks can't shoot. Go to Draft Express they have alot of info on Burks and
watch the workout video from Impact Sports. He has been working on his NBA 3
point shooting with Chauncy Billups instucting him on his mechanics. During the
Video he drains one NBA 3 after another from different spots around the arch. He
looks like he can shoot to me. The kid is a baller and can really play. I'm glad
we got him instead of Leonard now.
I disagree with the article saying Toronto didn't have a good draft. Waiting one
year for a prospect like Jonas V. is nothing, especially for a team who isn't
close to contending for the championship. He may turn out to be a better player
than Kanter. Hope not, but who knows?@ shayboNot sure
about moving Milsap. In a year's time, I wouldn't be surprised if Kanter is the
starting C and Favors is the starting PF. If Jefferson balks at backing up
Kanter, I think he should be the one who is traded. Milsap will grumble some,
but he will be very valuable as the backup to Favors. Some teams just can't stop
him, and Milsap always adds a little something to his game each year.
My belief, and it is just an opinion so I could be wrong, is that Roy's career
is virtually over. Even when he was drafted, experts said that the problems with
his knees would probably result in a five-year career. His on-going injury
problems seem to validate those early predictions. At best, I think Roy will be
a role player instead of the franchise player he looked destined to become.But, as I said, I might be wrong. Is the risk worth it?
The Jazz could turn this into a great draft since drafting Kanter makes 2
players with very good marketability expendable, Jefferson and Milsap namely.The Jazz should be able to pick up an outstanding outside shooter in a trade.
At the risk of helping Portland, they love Milsap and Branden Roy would make a
huge difference for the Jazz. Most fans would hate to see Milsap go
including me but he is that extra piece that won't quite fit in next year.
Having said that, Milly has always came back from the off season much improved
on the things that make him better and is probably at home right now shooting
1000 3's a day and working on his quickness to guard the 3 spot and would make
us look like fools for trading him.