If there is a lockout what happens in the draft lottery ? Do we keep # 3
and # 12 picks ?
I think the Jazz hit a couple of home runs with their picks. Kanter has more
upside than anyone in this draft. From hearing coach Cal talk the Jazz are lucky
that Kanter was ruled ineligible to play or he would have went #1.Burks also has huge upside, but his upside depends on his ability to improve
his outside shooting and defense, he has great instincts and all the physical
tools to succeed, if he has the work ethic to go along with it he could be the
steal of the draft.Both of the Jazz's picks have high bust potential
but if they pan out 5 years from now the Jazz will be one of the best teams in
Sign and trade only works if a player is a restricted free agent. In that case,
the team that holds his rights can offer him more than another team. If a player
is unrestricted, there is no advantage to a sign and trade. Any team can just
make a deal with the player without giving any compensation at all.
Maybe we could do a sign and trade with AK.
@CaptainL, While Jefferson is a really good player, his value is not that great
because of his 15 million contract, while Milsap at 6.2 mil next year would be a
steal, having said that it's kind of a steal for us to have him also, probably
should hang on to him, at least long enough to see how much he improves his #3
skills, who knows he may come back as the outside shooter we need that way he
works during the off season.
@Jazz-Nationi think its more of a plus to us keeping memo...rather
than trading him...he would serve as Kanter's Mentor for a year or
two...plus..once his contract is up...that's a major cap relief on our part...i
say hold on to him unless a very good offer is given...
I think that Memo could be a part of any trade scenario. Memo's 10 million
should be a good bargaining chip.
Brando Roy will never be the same. His contract makes AK contract look like a
blessing. There is no team stupid enough to take that on for what they will get.
Roy will be lucky to get through one more season before hanging it up.
@KakashiI think the Jazz can wait until next year's draft as far as PG is
concerned. They will have a better idea by then if Burks can fill the role well,
at least up to half of the game. Would love to know if he has talked to John
Stockton yet. Good thoughts on Hayward roaming and being more of a play starter.
He and Burks moving on offense will give other teams a headache, that's for
sure. Both of them getting back on D is important, too.San Antonio's
Popovich is adamant that his players get back on defense. Both Hayward and Burks
move well on offense, but Burks needs to improve staying between the person he
is defending and the basket and gettin lower in his stance, but he'll get there.
Watch Ginobili after he scores and how fast he races back to the defensive end.
Anyway, good times.
Cedarpost: Do you just like to be negative? How much have you looked at Kanters
career?He was MVP of the U18 European Championship, even as he played
against prospects a year older than him. In the semi-final game, he posted 32
points, 25 rebounds and two blocks in 39 minutes against the tournament champion
Serbia team. The bronze medal game was even better. In 36 minutes, Kanter scored
35 points on 16/22 shooting. He also grabbed 19 rebounds, stole three balls and
blocked four shots against the Lithuanian team and big man prospect named Jonas
Valanciunas. His overall tournament statistics were 18.6 points, 16.4 rebounds,
1.3 assists and 1.8 blocks
Shaybo: I agree about Milsap, sometimes I think trading Paul is what we need to
do, because he hss the most value and other times I hate the thought of it. I
think now that we have Kanter in the fold, Big Al may be the better choice to
move. He too should have high value and get us needed help. The problem may be
that the FO may want to keep everyone until they see how Kanter and Favors
perform this year. Big Al's numbers would need to be picked up by those two
mostly and they need to show they can do it.I don't think Roys knees are
fixable, he's had surgery but if I remember right it is like bone on bone, kinda
like the kid with SA. If it were just repairs then I'd agree, but I don't think
his knees can be fixed.I hate the thoughts that there won't be any summer
league and possibly preseason or even a delay in starting the season. Very
frustrating.I want to give CJ one more chance to prove he can be
consistent. If he can he is a good player, trade deadline or out.
So Kanter averaged 2 points a game in the Euroleague. If were lucky he'll
average 10 pt and 10 reb in his best years. Definitely not worth the 3rd pick.
Sorry. There's a lot more darkos than dirks. Wasted opportunity. top 3 picks
rarely come around.
@CaptainL, I agree Roy's a risk but he is absolutely a game changer and one of
the few we could get without selling the farm, knee problems can be fixed, look
at AJ. Roy would be a great mentor for Burkes.I could totally live
with a trade that would bring in Granger though, if we didn't have to give up
too much.I would kind of hate to see Milsap go though, knowing how
hard he works during the off season to improve, especially until after we see
him this coming season. I think he is quick enough to guard the 3 if he can get
over the 4 mentality that makes him tend to drop off his guy on the wing and
drop into the lane, a problem Ak has also.
we need a young PG....but not Russell Westbrick....Jeff Teague?....or DJ
Augustine....maybe we could have'em for harris?...or Paul?..i hope
Favors demand the ball more...and make Hayward the catalyst of the offense...let
him run loose...and create plays...i love the stretch they had against the
Lakers at the end of the season...Hayward being responsible for almost all of
the buckets...let hayward become the Jazz's better version of Manu Ginobili....
Shaybo: I worry about Burks and his shooting, that has been my concern about him
all along but I like to try to be positive and hope for the best. Shooting is
one aspect of the game that with hard work can improve, so I'm hoping Burks will
work hard and improve, kinda like Hayward did last yr.Milsap for Roy? No
I don't think so, I don't trust Roys knees. Not worth the risk.I like
Milsap and pieces for Granger.I want to give CJ one more chance to show he
can be consistent, if he can be consistent it will make the difference in at
least 10 wins. Thats how inconsistent CJ was last yr.Like I said, I like
to have high hopes to start each yr, we'll see what happens.It will take
time for these youngsters to come around so they can contribute in a major way,
we'll have to be patient.I love the talented young players we have though.
Capt L,good take,I followed Burks last year at CU,he`s gonna surprise a bunch of
you,I`d still give Millsap a shot at the starting 3 spot,share his minutes with
How would Milsap for Branden Roy work?
The Jazz have taken steps in the right direction. KOC will need to make a few
further adjustments. Those may come soon or may take more than a year to develop
but he Jazz are moving in the right direction.
To ute alumni: The Clippers are not Sacramento. The Clippers are LA.
Sacramento is the Kings!
An honest mistake, missed the comment above, but being a two bit jerk is for
@shaybo: Do you understand the context of the Bell/Maynor discussion? If you
notice the post before mine, someone recommended that we trade Bell and a draft
pick for Maynor. The discussion was about a future event, not a past one.That's the problem with these message boards. Any two-bit commenter can
listen to a small part of the conversation and then, in an effort to sound
smarter than he really is, interrupt the adults with some off-the wall remark.
@CaptainL, after watching some video of Burkes is scary good inside 15 foot so
i'm kind of coming around, but I don't think I would put too much stock in
improved shooting when he's doing it at workouts, CJ makes almost all of his 3's
in workouts.If a team goes out and drafts players hoping to teach
them to shoot their looking for trouble.
Can't wait for the Clipper's season to start. Jazz.......................boring.
Sacramento is going to be exciting now. Go Clippers.
@Doug10, Do you seriously think that Hornacek went to a proven veteran and one
of the more respected 3 point shooters in the NBA and asked him to change his
shooting style? I don't think so.Also you seriously need to get
another source for your stats, Bell hit 35% of his 3's last season.
@Joe5, Bell was not involved in a trade, he was picked up as a free agent,
Maynor was basically given away to OKC in return they took Harpering and his 6
or 7 million dollar contract after which he retired. It was a money saving
thing.Also Wade's 3 pointers came from NBA 3 point line with NBA
defenders on him and he makes them when the game is on the line.
i have never read so much crying about what the jazz do. where are the real
fans. why don't you cry babies go and watch bowling for dollars and leave the
jazz alone. we should be glad to have a major team in such a neat small state.
go jazz. luv ya.
@fastfox: Not bad.I do question why OKC would give us Maynor for
Bell and a draft choice. I guess you have to catch their front office in a
moment of weakness. I never make that trade if I'm them.I also worry
about giving up AJ until Kanter and/or Favors prove themselves. To me, you have
four guys who need minutes at the post positions (PF/C). AJ, 'Sap, Favors and
Kanter (assuming Okur never really makes it back - otherwise you have five). You
have 96 minutes/game at the two positions; not enough to go around.To me, Millsap is expendable. He is undersized. He has trouble guarding PFs
(he's to small) and he's shown he is completely incapable of guarding SFs (too
slow laterally). I love Millsap, I really do. So let's treat him right and get
him to a team where he can play 35-40 minutes a game instead of eroding his
minutes until he becomes a journeyman 3-4 years from now. He's done everything
the Jazz have asked from him. Now it's our turn to treat him right.
@joe5I've got a better proposal....pick up Miles, Watson and AK (for
absolute minimum).Trade Jefferson for IggyTrade Bell and
a draft pick for Maynor.Solves our wing issue and back-up PG
issue.We'll be one of the deeper teams in the league and very young
too!Hope there is n't a lockout because I want to see the Jazz play
3 point percentages:Gordon Hayward's last season at Butler: 29.4%Alec Burks: 29.2%.....
There will be several interesting things to watch for after the long off season.
How will Favors come back? In great shape and with improved skills. Ready
to demand the ball and show he can be a scorer?Will Evans show he can play
some 3? Will he be stronger?Will Milsap show he can play more time at the
3.Will CJ have worked on his game so he can show he can be consistent?
I'll give him one more chance, up to the trade deadline.Will Harris come
back looking to be more of a passer/facilitator.Will Bell play
better/same/worse? Do they trade him?Do they trade Big Al? Especially now
they have Kanter and Favors, or do they look to trade Milsap?Will Watson
be resigned?What about Price/Fes/Elson?Last but not least what
happens with AK?
Current Jazz rosterPost players: Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, Kanter,
Okur, EvansWing players: Hayward, Miles (if team exercises its
option), Burks, BellPoint guards: HarrisIt's obvious
where the weakness are. Here is what I would do to fill out the rest of the
roster.1) Exercise team option on Miles and combine him with Millsap
in a trade for Monta Ellis (GS is willing to move him and this would be an
attractive package for them)1a) If you can't get Ellis figure out a
way to trade for Jared Dudley (Phoenix)2) Sign Earl Watson for
another year of back-up PG3) Sign Fes as a bac-up post player (with
Millsap traded, Okur still in recovery, Evans still a D-league quality player,
the Jazz need someone behind the Jefferson/Favors/Kanter rotation).What about PG depth? Supposedly Burks has the skills to play PG for 6-10
minute stretches and I think Hayward could do it in a pinch as well. The Jazz
need another guard but I think it could be a combo guard instead of a PG. That
will add to the wing and PG depth.
Doug: You can teach correct principals/form etc but you can't shoot them for
him(Fes), it's not Horny's fault. From what I've heard Burks is showing
improvement already since the end of the season, that is a good omen. I'm hoping
they play Burks at the point alot.
I'm not a firm believer you can really teach a player to shoot at the
professional level. You can perhaps teach a player about better shot selection
(chances are Burks and Hayward threw up a lot of questionable shots as "the
man" at their programs). Not sure about Jason Kidd's stats but
can't ever remember him being a great shooter (2 or 3) ever. Let's not get him
mixed up with John Stockton.
"...team that will one day win an NBA Championship...". (Greg
Miller)Never say never...right?New Orleans Jazz 1974 to
1979.Utah Jazz 1979 to 2011...2014 will make 40
years...40 years in the wilderness..."...We live in
an impatient world in Sports...". (KOC)"...I think you
have to be patient...". (KOC)Yeah, any JAZZ fan, that would
wait around, for almost 40 years, for an NBA Championship is obviously,
seriously, impaired with impatience.13 NBA Franchises have yet to
win an NBA Championship.The leaders: Phoenix Suns (43
years)LA Clippers (41 years)Utah Jazz (37 years)(I think the JAZZ are safe from taking the top spot, thanks to the
woeful Clips)Yeah, so, after "...sleeping on it...","...Don't Worry, Be Happy...".Right?Go
Im not a Jazz fan but they made a good decision with the draft. now they just
have to hope that there will be a basketball season and not a lockout
Burks is also on a different team and coach..Give the guy a chance and start
looking for a cafe that serves "Crow."
JFFR since you are doling out credit for the Jazz shooting coach lets point out
how he has helped Fes at the free throw line. Ronnie Price is a dead eye shot
now. Raja Bell averaged 38% from 3 point range for 8 years til Hornacek got a
hold of him and now he is less than 20% for last season, and CJ misses with the
best of them. Sorry the coach can't just have it one way, he is not good.
gdog3finally: "Burks can score but he shot 29% in college from the 3 point
line."Why don't I change that slightly to read: "Wade can
score but he shot 29.2% in eight NBA seasons from the 3 point line."Wade's 3-pt percentagefor each of his eight NBA seasons? 30.2 28.9 17.1 26.6 28.6 31.7 (career best)
30.0 30.6Should Miami dump Wade since he is (to borrow your
words) "a shooting guard who can't shoot" and "an athletic
slasher who can finish, but not drain 3 point shots."
Alec Burk is NOT Ronnie Brewer. Kakashi is right, the Jazz have a fantastic
shooting coach. Keep in mind, Gordon Hayward also shot 29% from 3pt line his
senior year.Hornacek made a legit 3 point shooter out of Hayward and
Matthews. He helped Korver set a league record in 3pt shooting. Burk will be
@gdog3finallythis is why the jazz have a shooting coach...Man...you
are so negative...Jason Kidd shot bad from the three...and lo and behold...he
worked on it..now you can count on him to drain it....Gordon Hayward shot
horrendous during his second year at butler...scouts questioned it...teams
questioned it...most of you guys questioned it when he was drafted (i never
questioned it..coz i know the kid can ball)...and do you know his percentage at
the 3?...45%...wait till after 2-3 years...then judge him...right now...you dont
have the right...since he hasnt played or worked on it yet...
Burks is a shooting guard who can't shoot. He's Ronnie Brewer part II. He can
crate for himself better than Brewer, but is still, like Brewer, an athletic
slasher who can finish, but not drain 3 point shots.Burks can score
but he shot 29% in college from the 3 point line. That's awful given the shorter
3 point line and lower level defense in the college game.As for
Kanter, I am optimistic. He is still a work in progress, as are the others in
this years draft.