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Published: Friday, June 24 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

"I've closely observed how deeply Romney analyzes issues. He sees the good in others' views and seeks win/win solutions . . . ."

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to what Romney is saying about President Obama and the current administration, particularly Obamneycare.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Romney is pandering to the ultra-right-wing Evangelicals in order to gain their votes.

Romney, along with the author of this letter clearly demonstrate a deep failure to understand the phrase "With LIBERTY and Justice for ALL". That doesn't just mean heterosexuals, Ryan. It clearly means Every American. Not to mention the unconstitutionality of legal discrimination against Citizens just because they're "icky".

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

When Romney ran for the senate, he promised to be a stronger advocate for gay rights than Ted Kennedy.

George
Bronx, NY

come on Ryan, this failed argument has been struck down repeatedly by the courts and the people have stopped listening to those that oppose gay marriage. If you want to guarantee to lose the debate keep making these same baseless arguments.

praxis
Salt Lake City, UT

Lets look at some of Romneys claims:

1. In 2007 he claimed that the NRA had endorsed him - the NRA never did.

2. The same year he claimed that his father had marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. No record has been found of such a march and he later conceded that he only "figuratively" saw his father march with MLK.

3. This year Romney said of President Obama, "Instead of encouraging entrepreneurs and employers, he raise[d] their taxes." In fact, President Obama has not raised taxes on corporations during his three years in office. In December, he extended the Bush tax cuts.

4. Romney claims he did not raise taxes as Governor of MA. Technically, he did not raise taxes but he is responsible for the largest hike in fees in the state's history.

5. Romney claims that as Governor, he delivered a balanced budget every time. He only did this by dipping into the states rainy-day fund early and often - and failed to replenish the funds. He left office with the rainy-day fund reduced by more than $1.5 billion!
-information from MSNBC First Read

Grandma Char
Kaysville, UT

@George Just because a few activist judges make choices that are not consistent with true American values (family values) doesn't mean that the gay marriage issue is a valid one. Also, I don't know what people you are referring to, but God loving, God fearing people still oppose gay marriage.

What homosexuals do not understand is that marriage is meant for the creation of families, and until two people of the same sex can create a baby together without outside help, they are not meant to be married.

I am really tired of hearing the comment that not allowing gays to marry is taking their liberty away from them. So, your neighbor owns a cadillac, and you think you deserve one, too.....but you can't afford it.

May I state again that marriage is meant for the creation of families. If children were meant to be raised by two people of the same sex, two people of the same sex would be able to create babies.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To Grandma Char: I had a vasectomy prior to my marriage, the state still saw no reason to deny me a marriage license.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Grandma Char,

I've been married for many years, and my spouse and I have not produced children, yet we are very happy together and can't imagine not being married to each other.

Is our marriage invalid because we didn't make babies?

I note that you inject God rather powerfully into your argument. Why do your particular religious beliefs trump the civil rights of other people who don't belong to your religion?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@GrandmaChar

"Just because a few activist judges make choices that are not consistent with true American values (family values) doesn't mean that the gay marriage issue is a valid one. Also, I don't know what people you are referring to, but God loving, God fearing people still oppose gay marriage."

You probably also thought the judges who overruled interracial marriage bans were activist judges too.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@praxis,

If you believe MSNBC is a credible unbiased source of information that will be accepted by all readers, then I have a bridge in New York City that I want to sell you. Quoting MSNBC as a credible source of news information is just as nuts and quoting Fox News.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

What's nuts about FOX News?

There are always three sides to every story.

FOX tells their side.

MSNBC tells their side.

Somewhere, in the middle between those two well defined extremes, you'll find the truth.

"News" (accurate, unbiased reporting of an event) does not exist. It has been replaced by "OP/ED" Journalism.

"News" does not sell.

"OP/ED" Journalism does.

Now, about that bridge...

VST
Bountiful, UT

@There You Go Again,

You stated:

"What's nuts about FOX News?

"There are always three sides to every story.

"FOX tells their side.

"MSNBC tells their side.

"Somewhere, in the middle between those two well defined extremes, you'll find the truth."

You just made my point. Thank-you!

praxis
Salt Lake City, UT

@VST 12:00pm "Quoting MSNBC as a credible source of news information is just as nuts and quoting Fox News."

Additional sources reporting the items from my previous post:

1. No NRA endorsement
- Washington Post
- NY Times
- CBS News
- NRA website

2. Claimed his father had marched with Martin Luther King, Jr.
- Romney conceded that this was not true
- CBS News

3. President Obama has not raised taxes on corporations.
- Washington Post
- CBS News
- ABC News
- Newsweek

4. Passed largest hike in fees in the state's history.
- USA Today
- Reuters
- Concord Monitor (Massachusetts)

5. He left office with the rainy-day fund reduced by more than $1.5 billion!
- Boston Globe
- CBS News

VST
Bountiful, UT

@praxis,

Much better. But I would caution you in just quoting sources without making a specific point about those sources. For example, what is your point in all these claims made by Romney? Is it that he will not always be truthful or distort his position in an attempt to score political points? From my perspective, ALL politicians will exaggerate their claims and in some instances will outright lie. It is called political posturing.

As for your claim about Obama "not raising taxes on corporations" that is not correct. For example he has raised them for corporations and individuals through several small increments that results in $210 billion in new taxes over the next 10 years, or just over half of all the new revenues the health care law authorizes. Other provisions include new fees (translation tax) on health insurance companies and prescription drug manufacturers, and a new tax on high-cost "Cadillac" health insurance plans. Those increases impact corporations as well as individuals.

Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT

@grandmachar
a few problems with your logic first it was not a few activist judges it was several judges, all the credible peer reviewed research, every major field of study and professional organization that studies and deals with human behavior (The APA for example) and a majority of Americans (check recent polls). Your view is a vanishing view of a (not soon enough to be) by gone and ugly time in our in history.

Maudine
SLC, UT

And another one bites the dust! New York just approved same-sex marriage! Whoo-hoo!

Grandma Char
Kaysville, UT

Me thinks you protesteth too much.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

Romney joked about being unemployed to a group of unemployed in FL.

He grasps the issues all right in 'let them eat cake' way.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Grandma Char;

"God loving, God fearing people", who oppose gay marriage are free to NOT enter into one. Isn't that easy? Now, what you aren't free to do is to enact laws that discriminate against us simply because you oppose Liberty.

What YOU don't understand is that Marriage is meant as a means to safeguard a family's property and inheritance. There is NO REQUIREMENT that marriages produce children. If it were otherwise, old people wouldn't be allowed to marry. Sterile people wouldn't be allowed to marry. Do you understand this issue? I seriously doubt it.

Family Values applies to GLBT families as well as heterosexual families. We are all part of, and have families of our own, just like you. It is Anti-American to enact discriminatory laws.

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