Jaycee Carrol is a player I'd like to see the Jazz bring in to camp, he has had
a couple of great years in the ACB league , leading scorer, player of the
several times, player of the month, etc. He could be a cheap but good combo
Brahmabull: I think your wrong with your comparisons, Burk will be a good one.
Give him a chance, I agree with Bug, he has shown that his shooting is already
improving. His handles are great, I'm hoping he will get alot of time at point
President Joker::You obviously don't pay attention to comments from the Jazz
staff, they think Haywards best position and the position they want him to play
most is the 2. That gives the Jazz the advantage of having a taller, longer,
player at that position. Haywards best position is the 2.
Terrible pick. A shooting guard that can't shoot... hmmmm. Guess they didn't
think that through. Some names that Burks reminds me of: Kirk Snyder (we see how
that panned out), Ronnie Brewer (only less athletic, same bad shot), Morris
Almond (decent in college but never good enough for NBA)... and I could go on.
He shooting has already improved after leaving CO. That is why he shot up all
the mock drafts. It is clear his shooting is not going to be a problem. Leonard
dropped instead. That gives you some indication about Burks. SA
gave up Hill to get Leonard and Burks is better than Leonard. Think
about that before whining.
First team All Big 12 as a Soph? Umm--I'll take that at #12. This kid has
wonderful gifts to begin with and seems to improve. He's 19--and what might have
we been saying about him two years from now if he would have stayed in college?
What might he have become? These are the kind of guys who become your Tony
Parkers,---Gary Paytons. Mark me down now. I will admit to being wrong about
Kanter if he doesn't pan out but I think it was the right move. No GREAT point
guards available and you must take the big and hope for the best. And this kid
has a chance to be special.
I understand that this was the best pick for us at the 12 but that still does
not address how weak we are at the 3pt threat. I hope that KOC gets some one
with our extra cash or this will end bad. I don't understand how we are not
better considering that we have Jeff for a shooting coach.
All you "Expert" cry babies need to do your homework. This is why
Miller gave the job to KOC and not you.. Get over it the sun will come up
5 years ago we would have been begging for a "flashy" athlete like
Burks. Fickle/uneducated Jazz fans, regretfully, are much too emotional and
The first thought I had when Burks' name was called is that this is like
bringing a Ronnie Brewer type guy back to the Jazz. But the more I read about
him and watch videos it appears that Burks has a much better handle than Brewer,
also I think he has the ability drive and pass, something that Brewer did not
do. I don't think he's quite as good of a defender as Brewer, but still very
atheletic at 6'6". Listened to Hornacek on the radio this morning and heard
him talk about how he wasn't a great shooter when he came into the league, but
he worked hard and developed into one. I think after Hornacek works with him his
3 point shooting will improve over time, just like Hayward and Evans really
improved after Hornacek worked with their shooting.
Mathews made it as a undrafted player for the Jazz, why not Jackson Emery? I
hope there is a summer camp for the NBA.
The Jazz might as well bring Jackson Emery in for Camp and make Burks earn his
job at the two guard position. At least we know Jackson plays good defense and
can shoot the three much better than Burks does.
@nothegame | 8:47 a.m. June 24, 2011If there is no 2011-12 season,
I'm pretty sure that the 2010-11 season record would determine the draft order,
which would mean that the Jazz would own the #11, #12, & #42 picks in the
2012 draft (at least initially). The league *could* choose to include a
lottery, like they do in normal years, which would mean that there is a small
chance the #12 pick could move into the top 3 (the #11 pick is top 7 protected,
and would revert back to GS).Of course, this all depends on what the
new CBA looks like when it is finally agreed on. It is certainly conceivable
that the new CBA could include some new method for determining draft order.
For all those who are disappointed we didn't draft Jimmer, we would have been
the laughing stock of the league if we drafter him at three. When Sactown made
the trade before the draft, they did that with the sole purpose of drafting
Jimmer. I read the Jazz tried to trade up before the Kings selected (with the
Pistons???), but an agreement couldn't be made.Now to Burks. He can
defend, he can shoot the mid-range jumper, he can create his own shot, he can
slash, he is a good FT shooter, and his shooting form looks good. His weakness
is the outside shot and that is why he dropped to 12. The same thing was said
about Hayward's weakness a year ago. The Jazz are fortunate Burks dropped to 12.
i like the picks. Question for all u out there. If there is not a season next
year what happens to next years draft order. Who goe's first ect.
By picking Burks the Jazz addressed two major deficiencies: team athleticism and
the ability to play above the rim. Athleticism doesn't really get better with
practice, but shooting can. I like KOC's comment that in today's league, where
you can't hand check, slashers have an advantage. Burks gets to the line a lot,
and he hits over 80% from the line.
The Jazz were one of the leagues WORST 3-point shooting teams last year and have
done nothing here to help that.
Burks is a tremendous passer, they may try to use him as the 3rd point guard. I
think He and Hayward should be able to hold down that position this year.Burks isn't much of a shooter but I think the Jazz have the best
shooting coach in the league so hopefully he will se some quick improvement on
KOC has his quirks but you want the right players and KOC has a plan for getting
them. In the mean time all young players put a lot of pressure on the Vets to
actually make the changes they should make. With the loss of Sloan
the culture has changed. Sloan loved Vets and continuity. As long as you did
kinda what Sloan wanted you were safe. Further, Sloan loved to draft flawed
projects who worked hard. KOC will trade you in a heart beat if he
can get someone better. He also drafts BPA so he gets more talent and better
athletes. That is more like the SA and OKC cultures. It puts
pressure on the older more expensive Vets. They don't run the team any more like
Boozer did. It shifts the power. The Jazz no longer have to overpay
vets. They trade them for draft picks who are cheaper. If you don't perform KOC
trades for someone who will. KOC will keep getting the best players
he can until he gets a championship. It is a much better model than
the Sloan continuity/basketball school approach. OKC/MEM proved
that a young teams can win.
@Bugoffi agree that it would take a while before the Jazz pick up
steam....i hope the fans wont lose hope...we have a very bright future...i know
we havent won a championship yet...im sure the jazz would have their day of
glory...right now...all they need is our support...make them feel welcome make
them love the city....here's to a very bright future
Many experts had this kid going in the top 8, so he is a good value at 12. He
is an all around great player at everything but 3's which I admit the Jazz
really need, but he has a great mid range and inside game and can always get
better with 3s with professional help and practice.
Hayward is a SF. This allows him to play at his original position.
Boring---------love the Jazz but it is getting harder to put up with yawner
selections like these two. Sorry byronbca and fellow-travelers but while I want
to cheer for the Jazz the Kings will definitely be much more fun to watch. And a
good many of us will be doing just that!
Jimmer got the best situation for him. I am happy for him. He could play for the
Jazz but it was not the best fit for his strengths. Let him polish
his PG and defense skills in SAC for a while. The Jazz are still looking for a
PG in the future. He may or may not be a better fit then.Harris will
improve as he gets to know the team better. However, he tends to be injury prone
and his shooting efficiency has to improve or KOC will trade him. I
think KOC is going to trade him anyway if he does not play D, run the team well
and improve his shooting efficiency. This is just the draft. Wait
for the new CBA and then the trades will begin. The Jazz also have next year's
draft with more lotto picks. The GS pick should yield a good player
in a strong draft. In a lock out year without a camp and pre season the Jazz
will take a long time to jell and probably be back in the lotto next year. They will also make trades. Burks is longer and more
athletic than Bell.
Most of you all complained after the first round pick last year at #9, then
after the season was over nothing but praise for the young man from Butler.I sure enjoy all the Professionals out there that think they know what
they are talking about. Both these draft picks where the correct choices, maybe
not the ones we wanted but they were correct.To all of you that are
now Kings fans well cool because it just proves that you were never true jazz
fans. You are the type of people that believe one player is more important them
the team.Go Jazz
These are quotes from Draft Express "...his play defensively
was very solid and he looked good overall.""...impressed
us with his fluidity in drills, ability to put the ball on the ball on the floor
in competitive play, and the improved consistency of his shooting mechanics with
his feet set....""Perhaps the most positive sign was the
way he shot the ball in drills.""Burks was the smoothest
of the three (Leonard and Lee) off the dribble.""...he
proved in three-on-three competition that he can use his length and skill-level
to get to the rim and draw additional defenders to open up easy opportunities
for teammates.""Amongst all the prospects we saw this
week, Burks seemed to be the most comfortable in his own skin."There are reasons why most boards had Burks as a top ten pick. The Jazz are
going to be okay on this. Wages of Win listed him as the 4th best
prospect in the draft. Hollinger's draft rater put him up with
Leonard as one of the best wings. Give him a year or more like
Hayward. To many GMs rated him highly for him to bust.
The Jazz probably did as well as they could with the players in this draft.
Burks does not have good form when he shoots from distance, but it appears to me
it is a strength issue more than technique. He really changes form for long
range shots. So, as he gets stronger, the distance may come. I am not sure they
did not draft more the best combo guard in the draft. Play him at one, with
Heywards, some one the three, and you may have a very, very good wing group of
As a long time Jazz season ticket holder, I'm excited to have the athletic,
slashing Burks. Burks is the player I was hoping for with the 12th pick in this
year's draft. It's nice to have an athlete that can defend and score.I'm also excited for Jimmer. Everything fell into place for him going to a
weak team that traded their PG. While he could be a good player off the bench
like Eddie House, he lacks the quickness and overall athleticism to run a
playoff caliber team.Those fans that are now Kings fans instead of
Jazz fans, well, you weren't Jazz fans to begin with. I love to see our local
kids do well in pro sports but I never switch my loyalty. FYI, we will continue
to bring in 19,911 with or without you.Black Shirts, let me guess,
you were a 49ers fan when Young was there and now you are a Colts fan, right?
Enjoy the Kings.Go Jazz!
Kings got worst with Udrih trade he was only PG in roster.
Anyone who is threatening to stop being Jazz fans, because Jimmer went to the
Kings, were never really Jazz fans. Good riddance. I will personally have more
interest in the Kings now than I did before, which was zero interest but that's
it.Now onto Burks. I like Burks game and I think the Jazz must have
had him pegged as the best available player. I don't think he plays like Brewer
at all. He is an incredible athlete but that is where the comparisons should
stop. He has a smooth looking jumper, just not the range on that jumper yet,
kind of like DeShaun just before he was traded for Giricek. What I like most is
that he can create his own shot. Last year towards the end of the season, only
Harris and Hayward were able to do that. I would have loved Kawhi because I
think a 3 is a bigger need. In my opinion, Hayward is absolutely a 2 guard. We
still have free agency eventually and who knows, AK might resign, so we can
still get a 3.
1984 for life | 9:23 p.m. June 23, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT You
say the Kings are awful and the Jazz are good? If you haven't noticed Harris is
the worst defensive player I've seen.
@ Black ShirtsYou're killin me with your comments. Keep up the good
work. BTW I feel sorry for the Jimmer. The Kings are awful and he better learn
soon to defer (pass) the ball to Tyreke or DeMarcus.
The Jazz had a hard choice to make between Leonard, Singleton, and Burks, I hope
they got it right. I like this pick because Burks was the only player left who I
think could become a difference maker in a few years.Burks had more
upside than anyone left in the draft, he's a big 2 whose a superior athlete with
an enormously massive 6'10" wingspan. He slipped to 12 because he needs to
work a lot on his shooting and defense, but those are things he can learn.The bottom line with Burks is that he has all the tools to become a
great player, he just needs to learn how to use them.PS: I love how
all the Jimmer trolls are threatening to become Kings fans because of this. Good
luck with that!
What I find interesting is the shift in philosophy. No longer did Sloan get to
pick players to fit 'his' system. The Jazz picked the best talent available
with their picks. Makes you wonder who else would be on the Jazz..
cough.. CP3 cough..
I have commented here that many would be surprised Jimmer was not the first
pick. He went after quite a few other guards were selected. A start at the Y,
but will be a role player in the NBA. Whenever they have a season again.
@B RussThat's what I was saying before the draft...Burks has played some
PG at Colorado due to necessity when their PG went down to injury. He supposedly
did fine. Most importantly, whatever the challenge, he seems to rise to it. He's
a gamer, he plays hard, and he is a good all-round athlete. There will be games
when he and Hayward play side-by-side, both good passers and both with good
court vision. They are going to find the open man most of the time and both can
get off their own shot. Hope Stockton invites Alec up to his gym this summer.
@True Blue, The Jazz already have a shooting guard, Hayward and after the way he
defended Kobe don't tell me he cant defend at the #2.The Jazz
greatest need was a pure shooter and the best shooter by far was Marshon Brooks
who also happened to be the best athlete at the combine, scoring near the top in
almost every athletic ability test.
You guys are ridiculous. Did you see who else was on the board at 12? There were
no good shooters who could also play basketball left. The Jazz needed a guard
and he was by far the best guard available.
In my opinion. Of the players that were left on the board when the Jazz picked
at 12, the only one I would have taken before Burks is Leonard. I think Leonard
not bothering to show up for his Sunday work out had something to do with why
they decided to go with Burks. The Jazz have really been watching film on Burks
the past few days and are said to be intrigued with his ability to also play the
point guard position. That along with his scoring and rebounding abilities.
I'm not worried about the shooting at all.Brandon Roy shot 22% his
sophomore season and by his senior season was shooting 40%. Burks
shot 35% his freshman year and 29% his sophomore year.Burks draws
fouls and his a highly efficient shooter inside. He shoots over 50%. He is also
long and athletic.
Vince | 7:29 p.m. June 23, 2011 The Boonies, MexicoYou'll get
it when Ferdette is dropping 20+ on the JAZZ while Burks is asking for a trade
and hitting 4 pts a game. The kings were the smart team today. KOC is worthless.
I'll get the gear tomorrow. I think the kings just got a lot of fans while the
Jazz will be in the lottery again next year and selling tickets at 1/2 price.
The years are numbered.
@Kakashi, I made a mistake, Golden State had the 11th pick in the draft so they
would end up with #11 and #12 plus their own #12 pick in the second round since
they wouldn't have to give that away twice.
Sorry fans, you don't develop a shot in the pros. You can usually take the FG %
in college and subtract 3-5%. This was even the case for a great shooter like
John Stockton except for the one year he shot 57% from the field. But bottom
line, you either have the eye-hand coordination to shoot or you don't. Perhaps
better decision making at the pro level might help Burks shoot a higher % but
most of the time take the college % and subtract 3-5% and that's what you can
@Doug10you dont build a team around harris...there's a reason he's traded
twice...he just wont give in to a pass first mentality...he will always
be...shoot first PG...@shayboi sure hope there is a
season...i dont want us getting 2 second round picks...hope the jazz
try to trade for felton....Felton would be a better fit than Harris...i
hope...they use Hayward the right way...im getting worried they wont ran plays
through him...he wont be able to show his skill set...
I hope we didn't just draft Brewer and Koufus versions 2.0. Brewer helped a
little bit but was a minor role player at best and Koufus was a joke.
hmm....I'm not the scout though, so we'll see.
Just a quick reminder that Hayward shot 29.4% his final year of college.Oh, I also wanted to remind you that you were upset with KOC for picking
Kanter, Favors, Jeffeson and Milsap, good luck guys, your work is cut out for
you, opposing teams will be packing the lane like never before.
For all those who wanted to draft a 'shooter' ... There are plenty of guys
available in Free Agency whom the Jazz can sign to shoot the ball. I still
think Mike Redd would be a perfect fit for the Jazz. And let's not
forget that Korver, a pure shooter, had to sit lots in the playoffs because he
couldn't defend Wade and without hitting his shot, he became a HUGE liability.
Burks can score the ball. That's for sure. He slashes to the basket and has a
mid-range game. He can dunk the ball any way you want it dunked. Alec Burks
will be a good player for the Jazz. Will he be as good as Kawhi Leonard in the
NBA? I don't think so, but I hope I'm wrong.
I read comments that Burks is not a second version of Ronnie Brewer. IMHO, YES
he is. By his own admission, Locke tagged him as a 'scorer'. He's athletic.
He gets into the paint. We don't need our SG driving into the paint where
Favors, Kanter, Jefferson, Milsap ... you name it ... is waiting with their
defender. All that being said, perhaps Coach Corbin is going to
install a new offense. If I'm CJ, I'm not worried about a slasher taking my
spot. That was already decided when the Jazz shipped Ronnie Brewer off. Come
on Gordon. Really ... come on Gordon!!!I don't consider that I know
more than the Jazz brain thrust so I'll just conclude with ... I'm curious ...
and excited for Jimmer
I really liked the pick. He is a good athlete who plays with a chip on his
shoulder. He did shoot poorly from deep, but had a good FT%, which shows he can
shoot the ball. He has good mechanics and when he develops a jump shot he will
be looked at as a steal
Time will tell. I'm willing to give this kid a chance.
@Kakash, The way it looks there will be no 2011 season, in which case next years
draft would either have to be a lottery or go by last years records, maybe we
get a shooter in that one. That would mean Sacramento's pick would be protected,
but we would still get the #12.
Needs:Big; Shooter.Got an unproven big.Got a
shooter (?) that shot 20 something % from the college 3.2 lottery
picks and you come up with this. (Cleaned up considerably for the DN)Hey, it's KOC and the Jazz...Why should fans expect anything more?
I don't know why everyone wanted Kawhi Leonard or Chris Singleton. It's not
like either one of them can shoot either, and they aren't the athletes that
Burks is. I'm happy with Burks, he's athletic and seems like a hard worker.
Kanter is not another Fesenko, for which we can ALL be happy about. With this
pick I think it means that we will not be resigning Fesenko (hallelujah). It's
not the best draft, but it's also not the worst either.
Love this pick. Obviously Jimmer would have been a better pick, but the price
to get him was too high. Burks can handle the ball and could play PG
at times. If Coach Horny can improve AK's outside game, Burks will look like
Ray Allen after a season. Burks can create his own shot, he's athletic enough
to defend the good 2's and maybe some 1's, the Jazz were one of the worst teams
at getting to the free throw line and they addressed that problem. Good job KOC!
Leonard just got traded to SA for Hill.
Wow will it be nice now not to have to put up with all of the Jimmer backers
that are now swinging to Sac. Great, the ESA will still be filled nightly and
the "whinners" from the south can cry somewhere else besides our web
sites! Just make sure all of you that made the threats of switching and
following Jimmer do just that!
Haha Jazz fans are so ridiculous! I have never heard of a pick you guys didnt
A lot of people think Burks could be the one of the best players to come out of
the draft. Most mock drafts had him going before the Jazz pick. He has all the
tools necessary, including the jumper form, to be an excellent player WITH a
good jumpshot. Did you see Brewers shot?? He had no chance at becoming very
good. Burks is a totally different player, and will still be a huge upgrade
Burks owns the scoring record at Colorado but the people on this board say he
can't shoot. I think his numbers speak for themselves.He is also
averaging 6 rebounds a game which is better than just about any NBA guard and
most NCAA guards, so he must be somewhat aggressive and he can handle the ball
which is great. Good choice KOC, got your big and a shooter, the
team can use Harris and build around him and be contenders still.
The Jazz just Jimmered themselves in the foot.
Just watched college hoops, Burks shooting motion is inconstant that's why he
misses lot or just can't make it. I mean 3's, which is very important against
Did you see his unhappy face? He is already trouble.
@Bugoff, Burks had the tools to defend (keyword) but didn't. How is he a better
shooter than his critic's claim when he hit 30% from college 3 point line? What
will he shoot from 3 feet farther out.@Black shirt, I agree with you
on Brooks, he is a far better athlete than Burks and can shoot the lights out.
My only worry about him is he is a ball hog.
Jimmer was the only shooter left after about 7 or 8, so with him going to
Sacramento, the Jazz had to pick the best "athlete" left. I'd rather
have seen Singleton for defense, but maybe Burks will surprise us.Way to go, Jimmer! On a team without a starting PG! Into the fire you go!
Wages of Win project Burks as the 4th best pick in the draft of the college
players based on their model. He is right after Leonard. He also ranked high on
Hollinger's drafting model. Burks is a much better pick than most
people realize. I personally wanted a shooter but Burks should
develop better shooting than he showed in college.
Kawhi Leonard...Chris Singleton...maybe they saw something in Alec Burks that we
didnt see...i would've loved it if they added a shooter...we lack a few shooters
One can only hope that Burks is the one San Antonio coveted and we'll end up
with Tony Parker out of this. For a team so desperate for outside shooting this
is not a good pick. With him being a slasher with no outside shooting he will
not be doing much slashing with opposing teams packing the middle even worse
Go watch Burks play. CO ran a weird offense. Burks is an athlete. He has the
tools to defend and will. He can shoot much better than his critics claim. Most
boards had him at about 10. He is not Brewer. He has good shooting
form. Give him a couple of years and he should develop into a decent player. I am not thrilled but who were better alternatives at 12? Singleton has
his own limitations.
KOC, I'm going to prove I'm smarter than you. Marshon Brooks!
Before the Jazz put together another trade they need to waive KOC.
My new team is the KINGS, Evans, Cousins, and Ferdette. That team will be fun to
Well Jazz fans, Burks is not Jimmer and he's not Brewer. Let's wait and see what
he brings to the court, to the team. I'm betting he will be in the top 7 of the
Jazz rotation sometime in his second year. I know one thing...with the addition
of Kanter and Burks, the Jazz just became a better overall rebounding team.
Burks can't shoot. The Jazz get another CJ. KOC you are terrible. Jimmer will
drop 20 on the Jazz and Burks will get 2 max. This is...............
Wow. Hopefully a trade will occur. If Burks can't slash to the hoop, he will
be ineffective. Defense issues as well. Another depressing draft.
79Ute.....I is well documented that he can not shoot. What a waste of a pick.
Hope he can shoot. Jazz seem to attract shooting guards who can't.
And you were worried about the Jimmer! Can you say bust! this pick was a waste.