Utah Jazz need an impact player or two from this draft


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  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    June 23, 2011 5:34 p.m.


  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    June 23, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    LAjazz good idea. One thing Cleveland wants Okur? Portland and SLC still have some connection?

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Jimmer is going to Sacramento.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    June 23, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    Showtime !!

  • Parkite1 Park City, UT
    June 23, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Jazz pass on Jimmer please. 13th pick is the Suns and if they pick Jimmer Steve Nash will mentor him and other teams will only wish...A few years down the road he will help lead the Suns to an NBA Championship! So please everyone thru 12 pass on Jimmer!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    June 23, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Old Timer if Hill is twice the player Jimmer is and is a better shooter tell me, please, why he was not the leading scorer in the nation. You are looking through the glass darkly. You truly have been out in the Boonies far too long. Being from New Mexico you just don't like anyone from BYU.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    June 23, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    If I were the JAzz, this is what I would try to pull off today-

    Part 1-
    Portland wants to shed Miller and needs a PG badly. With the acquisition of Gerald Wallace, they might like Batum, but don't need him.

    Jazz trade DHarris ($9.3M) for non-guaranteed $7.8M Miller and Batum ($2.2M). TPE that Jazz have from last year might be needed to make the numbers work, but it is close. Jazz Waive Miller and keep Batum.

    Part 2-
    Cavs drafting Irving don't need Sessions, but want another lottery pick. They also need to shed their Lebron TPE, which expires 7/1, I believe.

    Jazz trade Bell ($3.3M), #12 pick, and Okur ($11M) for Sessions ($4.3M), JJ Hickson ($2.2M) and Cavs TPE to cover deal (about $10M).

    Jazz draft Jonas V #3 (or whomever else they want)- unlike other top 8 teams, they can wait 1 yr as their frontcourt is loaded.

    Bell for Batum
    Sessions for Harris
    Hickson for Okur
    #12 pick for about $18M

    $18M can buy some serious free agents!!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 23, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    @ 1984 for life,

    Doctor J was being sarcastic about how Brandon Knight will turn out. Didn't you get that?

    That's why I called it "funny" in my previous post. It's probably quite accurate.

    @ byronbca,

    If Kemba's a better player than Jimmer, why was he jimmered in their Jazz evaluation? If you want to believe the reporters of that were all homers, that's your perogative. But you're wrong.

    Even if it "was a close battle" like you said, then how is Kemba so much "better" than Jimmer? Sounds like you're admitting they were equal.

    @ CJ Miles,

    You apparently didn't watch what Corbin did with the team near season's end. He'll be a GREAT coach for the Jazz. He understands the importance of team defense, which kind of defense got Miami and Dallas into the finals.

    It also got that Laker win in LA with a hodge-podged team that went up against a team that was expecting to win it all again.

    @ ouisc,

    I'm glad I have that Jimmermania illness. It feels pretty good! Ya oughtta try it.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    June 23, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    Veracity which NBA franchise plays in Green Bay? HArd to understand what he is saying.

    SA is looking for young center to replace Duncan so the Jazz who have a higher pick should beat them to the punch.

  • JazzMan Centerville, UT
    June 23, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    All I can say for sure is this; if the Jazz are on the clock with the 12th pick and Jimmer Fredette is still on the board they better take him or I will be one upset fan.

    And if the don't take him and he pans out to be a fine NBA player, which he will, in time jobs will and should be lost over it.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 23, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    There is absolutely NO indication Kanter will not play defense.

    At 6'11" (may grow) and 260 with 5% body fat he moves just as quick/fast as Williams (who a lot of fans want to needlessly give Millsap up for by trading up one spot), he should be a killer on defense. He will be just as big as Fes in a year or two and a lot quicker and faster.

    Any game film of him as a 16 year old on defense in an all star game is not an indication of his defensive ability.

    He is going to take some time to develop but he is probably the 3rd best player in the draft(Irving, Valanciunas and Kanter). Williams is a tweener and he is not an SF. He is no better than Millsap.

    It is insane to give up Millsap to get Williams.

    Besides other teams want Kanter bad. Draft him and trade him to HOU for whatever you want. WAS wants him. SA is desperate to replace Duncan. Kanter has inside moves and can shoot outside.

    Keep him and replace AJ in a couple of years when his contract is up.

    Lots of good options.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    The Jazz can't take Jimmer. #32 is retired.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    June 23, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Kanter will go to the Jazz @3, next the Jazz should trade the 12 pick & Miles to Memphis for O.J. Mayo. I believe he is available and was traded last season @ the trade deadline only to be nixed because the trade was minutes to late. Go get him Kevin he is what we need at the 2 spot, and maybe we can get a later pick of Memphis also.

  • Sega South Salt Lake, utah
    June 23, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    "With the 3rd overall pick Jazz trade their 3rd and 12th to Miami for Lebron James"

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 23, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    Forget Jimmer....he won't be available at #3. *rolling eyes*

    Only the locals can turn "Jimmermania" into an illness....

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Shawn.....Don't forget that same coach is back next season. No one knows if he can even coach in the NBA.

    With AK gone, the defense will be worse next year. I don't see this team winning more than 30 games. Harris doesn't make the players around him better. Neither does AJ.

    The Jazz need interior defense worse than anything. Next they need a shooter. The best odds in this draft are Enes and Jimmer to fill those needs. I can't stand teams that take the best player even if they don't need help in that area. Smart teams draft players who will help the team be better regardless of being the best player available. That's why San Antonio is so effective in the draft.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    June 23, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Kanter seems to be the right pick, but only to use as trade bait. Kanter has not proven that he is any better at defense than Jefferson. He is a scoring center which is the same as AJ. I say we take Kanter and package him to Minnesota for Williams. Then we take Jimmer, Kemba, Burks or some other guard at 12.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    Re: WhatsInItForMe

    In the month of March when it mattered most Kemba was the best player in college; he is a winner who led a bunch of no name freshmen to the national championship. I love the idea of him coming off the bench playing the combo guard role. He is instant offense but he is also a proven defender, Kemba is a better all around player than Jimmer.

    As for their workout together, lets be honest here, that was like a home game for Jimmer, and everyone who reported that Jimmer got the best of Kemba was a homer who was there to see Jimmer in the first place. The coaches all said it was one of the most competitive workouts they've ever seen, which means that it was a close battle. I'll take the weight of a national championship over 1 close workout any day.

    As a Ute fan and Alum I will admit that Jimmer would be a good fit in Utah too, but getting Kemba at 12 would be the steal of the draft.

  • TownsvilleJazzFan Townsville, Queensland
    June 23, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Someone mentioned Ante Tomic. If you look at his recent play and development, he does not figure to ever play in the NBA. Be nice if he had or did pan out, but that potential curve didn't end up where it was hoped it would.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    @ Doctor J | 9:47 a.m. June 23, 2011
    Manti, UT

    "Do Not Take Brevin Knight!" I think you're pretty safe there since Brevin Knight is no longer in the NBA.

    Here's hoping the Jazz do take Brandon Knight.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    June 23, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Re: WhatsInItForMe

    Kanter is a one inch taller Al Jefferson (at best, 5 years from now). Undersized for a center, good moves, big body, no defense.

    Jimmer's upside is greater than Williams or Irving? What are you smoking???

    Seriously, stop thinking with your hearts and think with your heads...

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    June 23, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    @CJ Miles - True, but they were without half of their starters, and where still trying break in a new head coach, who had stepped in mid-season.

    I think the Jazz do draft Jimmer (which I don't think they will) then they'll probably trade him to another team for some other players. Regardless of what happens in the draft, the Jazz have some house cleaning to do with some of our current players.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    The Jazz will draft Kanter at the #3 unless Williams falls to them because MN takes Kanter at the #2 spot.

    By the number #12 pick if Jimmer is there he will be a Jazz. If not, Kevin will take some risk on an unknown player whom he thinks might be great some day. Most likely he will waste this pick.

    Everyone on here is so high on the current Jazz team. If I remember right, they couldn't win a game the second half of the season.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 23, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    As much as I want the Jazz to draft Jimmer, if Kanter is available at 3, I'd prefer they make that pick. His upside as a dominant center is too hard to resist.

    The Jazz haven't had a dominant center since Eaton, and he wasn't even a scorer. Kanter could be.

    As far as Williams or Irving go, I'd pick Jimmer over them at 3 any day. Jimmer's upside is greater because of his range, cross-over, and ability to finish at the rim (upper body strength). Williams and Irving don't have all three of those qualities as possibilities.

    @ Doctor J,

    Funny! But true?

    @ byronbca,

    Wasn't Jimmer reported to have taken Kemba to the woodshed during their Jazz evaluation? I don't see where Kemba would be good for the Jazz. He didn't assist in college any better than Jimmer did, and had better options for those assists.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    June 23, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    I love all the negative Knight comments and pro Jimmer comments I'm seeing or hearing on the radio. Let's be realistic here - Knight is younger, has more upside, is more athletic, a better defender and can score in more ways and is about 95% as good of a long range shooter as Jimmer. Really, let's stop being homers and step back into reality, big-boy professional basketball mentality here. Jimmer is a good guy and will be a good pro, but he's not Knight.

    That being said, i'd rather see us find a way to land Derrick Williams. A future front line with Williams and Favors would be impressive... too bad I think some other team will make a deal with Minnesota for him.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Maybe the writer of this article can tell us what team in the NBA needs to draft a player that does NOT have an impact.

    No more draft articles...until the draft, please.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    If the Jazz do draft Kanter and somebody like Kemba or Vesely slips to 8 or 9, the Jazz should try to move up. Ante Tomic might be able to move the Jazz up 3 or 4 spots and if we have Kanter, Tomic becomes very expendable.

    The perfect draft would be Williams somehow slips to 3, and Kemba either slips to 12 or at least slips far enough that he's within reach to trade up and grab him.

    A Williams/ Kemba combo could be lethal, but a Kanter/ Jimmer combo could be pretty good too.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 23, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    Do Not Take Brevin Knight!

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    June 23, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    76ers fan for entire life ... until this afternoon when I see who selects The Jimmer.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 23, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    I'm not impressed with Brandon Knight enough to draft him at #3. His dribble is too high for his height. His shot is average at best, and thats considering he played on a loaded team where he didn't have to take poor shots. Unless Irving is somehow available at #3, I really don't see a PG getting drafted in the top 5/6.

    Drafting Kanter at #3 opens up several options for the twelfth pick, and also opens up several trade options. Knight shuts down options at #12, and shuts down trade options.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 23, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    I have to agree with byronbca--the top 3 picks are Irving, Williams, and Kanter. I am officially on the "draft Kanter" bandwagon, after watching several highlight reels of this guy. He plays large, he has good foot movement (might need to quicken foot speed), he's pretty diverse, already, on offense, and he's not afraid of contact. He's the kind of emotional player you want on your team.

    I hear people talk about a risk with his knees, but I haven't seen anything concrete about his knees. I haven't seen evidence that he has missed a substantial number of games due to injury. Prone to injury may be more smoke than substance.

  • Large Tuna Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    Dallas desperately needs a point guard?? The trophy they just hoisted begs to differ on that opinion...

    I think the local media is keeping people's hopes up that the Jazz will draft Jimmer. I don't think it's going to happen. If he's there at 12 they'll pass on him. National media is saying there is no way they would pick him because it's too much pressure for both Jimmer and the Jazz, I agree with that it makes a lot of sense. Trade the 3 to Washington for the 6 and 18 picks, get Walker, Singleton, and Brooks.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    June 23, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    If SA will give up Hill for the 12th pick you know for whats sake DO IT! Hill is twice the athlete Jimmer is and maybe a better shooter as well, then the big thing he is proven Jimmer isn't. Draft Kanter then trade the 12th pick.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    June 23, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    The Jazz are an attractive team with their history of Karl M and John S. They have also blended foreign players in this world of global expansion. I just wish for the best for a franchise that appears to be "head and shoulders": above the rest. I am a DePaul fan and Tyrone Corbin has an interesting background with links to the Blue Demons who have fallen on hard times.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 23, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Kanter, and yes if there Jimmer. Great draft! If not new favorite team? Who ever takes the Jimmer.

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    June 23, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    You really ought to cite it when you're quoting someone verbatim. That's straight out of The Sports Guy's trade machine column.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 23, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    SAC has a better offer from SA than Okur for a good player and moving up. 8 Mill and a good player is too high of price to move up 4 spots.

    Harris and Parker have similar numbers. Chandler is a FA and can't be traded.

    There is no reason to dump the 3 pick. The Jazz may take a player they don't need that bad if they know they can trade him to another team below them and get what they do need and still get the players they want. You may see MN play the same game.

    The Jazz could take Kanter, then wait to see what CLE does (and other teams moving up) and then trade down with TOR, WAS or SAC for an SF/SG while still getting Valanciunas/Knight with their lotto pick. The problem is SA (and other teams) offering Parker. HOU needs a big badly. They need Kanter or Valancuinas and would pay dearly to get either.

    There are going to be some trades tonight. CHA, MIL and GS would like to trade down.

    The Jazz are prepared and know what combo of players they want including existing ones via trade.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 23, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    The funniest part of this article is the beginning. The reporters are constantly nagging O'Conner and everyone else in the Jazz org. and they can't get them to utter a peep. It drives them nuts so they beat the speculation horse until it is nothing more than a pile of bones. Surely they have to realize that if the Jazz, or any other team who are not talking about the first pick might hurt their chances of getting the player(s) they want if they let it slip but their nature is stronger than common sense so they keep trying.

    And this is not the most important draft in franchise history. The most important one is the one who brought the best / highest impact players to your team, or the one where a team chooses a bust while another team chooses a future supetstar with a later pick. The drafts that brought Stockton and Malone are 1 and 2 (you pick the order) and 2005 brought Williams here so that is #3. No one knows how important this one will be for several years.

  • bobby d Beaver, UT
    June 23, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    While I do agree with some of these ideas, it is my feeling that we dont need to waste a pick on another 2o year old center. We have what will be a very good one in Favors. Resign Devin Harris and you have 15 points and 8 assists a night. Bring in someone to tutor Favors like Tyson Chandler. Let Dallas have the #3 for a point guard they so desperately need. Sweeten the pie by throwing in Okur to Dallas. We have backups for Devin and Haywood is going to be the SG. With a front line of Favors, Millsap, and Jefferson, then throw in a back court of Harris and Haywood, we could be very young and good for a long time to come.

  • OrlandoJazzFan Winter Springs, FL
    June 23, 2011 6:35 a.m.

    Lets keep the fingers crossed - in a perfect world


    That would be the most exciting combo for us and our needs

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    June 23, 2011 6:07 a.m.

    ESPN mentions that San Antonio is looking at trades involving Tony Parker.

    The Jazz can try to improve via the draft (which has not worked very well for teams like Minnesota, the Kings, or the Clippers to name a few), or they can try to get better via the trade (like Boston, LA, and Miami).

    I'd love to see if the Jazz could get some good players from other teams now (Parker?), rather than wait 3 years to see if this draft pans out.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    June 23, 2011 5:48 a.m.


  • scalman Temecula, CA
    June 23, 2011 5:39 a.m.

    Knight a Devon Harris clone...not sold on that at all. If Knight was a junior, them maybe that would be a valid guess. Knight will be a solid NBA guard for whomever picks him tonight, but how he develops as a point guard is anyone's guess. I'm hoping KOC goes Kanter or Jonas V., and which do I like most? Just don't know enough to choose.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 23, 2011 4:59 a.m.

    Make it Kanter and Jimmer and all will be well.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 23, 2011 4:24 a.m.


    i like your idea...instead of Jason Thompson..maybe we can have Omri Casspi or Marcus Thornton

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 12:57 a.m.

    After spending way too much time reading, listening, and researching who the Jazz should pick at 3 I am now convinced that the top 3 players in this draft are Irving, Williams and Kanter.

    Knight however, is the safe pick. Picking Knight wont get you fired, he will be a solid starter 5 years from now, but he won't be an all star, he will be a Devon Harris clone (whom the Jazz all ready have).

    Kanter is a risk, but he could be great and he can play a position that is extremely difficult to fill in the NBA - center. Kanter has more upside than Knight, and for a team that rarely picks in the top 5 the Jazz need to go for the home run and the only home run hitter at 3 is Kanter.

    The Jazz should roll the dice and grab Kanter, he is the only impact player likely to be available. I would rather the Jazz swing and miss on Kanter than get a role player that never makes a real difference.

    As for the 12th pick the Jazz should simply pick the best player on the board, regardless of need.

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    June 23, 2011 12:24 a.m.

    Utah trades no. 3 pick (30 cents) and Mehmet Okur (nickel) to Sacramento for no. 7 pick (25 cents), Jason Thompson (dime), and $7.9 million in cap space (25 cents). Final tally: Sacramento (35 cents), Utah (60 cents).

    Here's the beauty of this one: Sacramento adds $7.9 million in 2012 payroll (the difference between Okur's 10.9 million expiring deal and Thompson's $3 million deal) to jump four spots and grab Brandon Knight (a better fit for them than anyone at no. 7). Meanwhile, Utah sheds $7.9 million to drop four spots and take hometown hero Jimmer Fredette who they couldn't have taken at 3 without being ridiculed then trots out a Jimmer/Gordon Heyward backcourt next season that would basically melt the entire state of Utah into hot lava. I can't live in a world where Jimmer doesn't play for the Jazz. I just can't.

    This leaves us with 7.9 million saved - Pick 7 Jimmer & Pick 12 Singleton / Hamilton / Burks or Thompson

    Good deal IMO

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 23, 2011 12:21 a.m.

    Who are the most likely future superstars (not just all-stars) in this year's draft?

    Remember, a superstar is unstoppable offensively, and has at least one other top talent, but can have a weakness that's more than offset by their offense and the other talent.

    Think about any past/present superstar, and you'll see what I mean by their not having to be "perfect."


    - Irving: maybe, if he can pile up assists.
    - Williams: maybe, if he can indeed play SF very well.
    - Kanter: maybe, if he doesn't have knee issues AND can play team ball.
    - Knight: doubtful; too many unknowns, and bad comparison numbers.
    - Walker: nope; too smallish; jimmered at Jazz evaluation.
    - Valanciunas: maybe; many unknowns, but can shoot foul shots, so maybe can score well in time?
    - Fredette: sure; no real weaknesses that can't be fixed (see premise above).
    - Singleton: doubtful; defense alone doesn't make a superstar.
    - Burks: doubtful; college career indicates a good role player at best.
    - Thompson: doubtful; college career indicates a good role player at best.

    The Jazz need to draft a future superstar at 3. Without one, they'll remain mediocre.

    Pickins are slim, but there are pickins.

    Or, trade for one. Hah!

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    I can think of at least one very small market of which people desire not only to stay in and play in (even when it is winter) and that is Green Bay, smaller than Provo with no large cities close by for support.

    The reason, they build dynasties. Utah does not.

    Until the front office is first class, the team will never be first class.

    When restructuring a Corp., you do not start at the bottom and work up. You start at the top and work down.

    If everyone is open for trade, other than the Millers, then lets trade, starting at the top.

    I know, I know...you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. But the baby will never get clean if the water isn't changed some time.