I can think of at least one very small market of which people desire not only to
stay in and play in (even when it is winter) and that is Green Bay, smaller than
Provo with no large cities close by for support.The reason, they
build dynasties. Utah does not.Until the front office is first
class, the team will never be first class.When restructuring a
Corp., you do not start at the bottom and work up. You start at the top and work
down.If everyone is open for trade, other than the Millers, then
lets trade, starting at the top.I know, I know...you don't throw the
baby out with the bath water. But the baby will never get clean if the water
isn't changed some time.
Who are the most likely future superstars (not just all-stars) in this year's
draft?Remember, a superstar is unstoppable offensively, and has at
least one other top talent, but can have a weakness that's more than offset by
their offense and the other talent.Think about any past/present
superstar, and you'll see what I mean by their not having to be
"perfect."So,- Irving: maybe, if he can pile
up assists.- Williams: maybe, if he can indeed play SF very well.-
Kanter: maybe, if he doesn't have knee issues AND can play team ball.-
Knight: doubtful; too many unknowns, and bad comparison numbers.- Walker:
nope; too smallish; jimmered at Jazz evaluation.- Valanciunas: maybe; many
unknowns, but can shoot foul shots, so maybe can score well in time?-
Fredette: sure; no real weaknesses that can't be fixed (see premise above).- Singleton: doubtful; defense alone doesn't make a superstar.- Burks:
doubtful; college career indicates a good role player at best.- Thompson:
doubtful; college career indicates a good role player at best.The
Jazz need to draft a future superstar at 3. Without one, they'll remain
mediocre.Pickins are slim, but there are pickins.Or,
trade for one. Hah!
Utah trades no. 3 pick (30 cents) and Mehmet Okur (nickel) to Sacramento for no.
7 pick (25 cents), Jason Thompson (dime), and $7.9 million in cap space (25
cents). Final tally: Sacramento (35 cents), Utah (60 cents).Here's
the beauty of this one: Sacramento adds $7.9 million in 2012 payroll (the
difference between Okur's 10.9 million expiring deal and Thompson's $3 million
deal) to jump four spots and grab Brandon Knight (a better fit for them than
anyone at no. 7). Meanwhile, Utah sheds $7.9 million to drop four spots and take
hometown hero Jimmer Fredette who they couldn't have taken at 3 without being
ridiculed then trots out a Jimmer/Gordon Heyward backcourt next season that
would basically melt the entire state of Utah into hot lava. I can't live in a
world where Jimmer doesn't play for the Jazz. I just can't.This
leaves us with 7.9 million saved - Pick 7 Jimmer & Pick 12 Singleton /
Hamilton / Burks or ThompsonGood deal IMO
After spending way too much time reading, listening, and researching who the
Jazz should pick at 3 I am now convinced that the top 3 players in this draft
are Irving, Williams and Kanter.Knight however, is the safe pick.
Picking Knight wont get you fired, he will be a solid starter 5 years from now,
but he won't be an all star, he will be a Devon Harris clone (whom the Jazz all
ready have).Kanter is a risk, but he could be great and he can play
a position that is extremely difficult to fill in the NBA - center. Kanter has
more upside than Knight, and for a team that rarely picks in the top 5 the Jazz
need to go for the home run and the only home run hitter at 3 is Kanter.The Jazz should roll the dice and grab Kanter, he is the only impact
player likely to be available. I would rather the Jazz swing and miss on Kanter
than get a role player that never makes a real difference.As for the
12th pick the Jazz should simply pick the best player on the board, regardless
@wombat1247i like your idea...instead of Jason Thompson..maybe we
can have Omri Casspi or Marcus Thornton
Make it Kanter and Jimmer and all will be well.
Knight a Devon Harris clone...not sold on that at all. If Knight was a junior,
them maybe that would be a valid guess. Knight will be a solid NBA guard for
whomever picks him tonight, but how he develops as a point guard is anyone's
guess. I'm hoping KOC goes Kanter or Jonas V., and which do I like most? Just
don't know enough to choose.
ESPN mentions that San Antonio is looking at trades involving Tony Parker.The Jazz can try to improve via the draft (which has not worked very
well for teams like Minnesota, the Kings, or the Clippers to name a few), or
they can try to get better via the trade (like Boston, LA, and Miami). I'd love to see if the Jazz could get some good players from other teams now
(Parker?), rather than wait 3 years to see if this draft pans out.
Lets keep the fingers crossed - in a perfect worldWilliam/JimmerThat would be the most exciting combo for us and our needs
While I do agree with some of these ideas, it is my feeling that we dont need to
waste a pick on another 2o year old center. We have what will be a very good one
in Favors. Resign Devin Harris and you have 15 points and 8 assists a night.
Bring in someone to tutor Favors like Tyson Chandler. Let Dallas have the #3 for
a point guard they so desperately need. Sweeten the pie by throwing in Okur to
Dallas. We have backups for Devin and Haywood is going to be the SG. With a
front line of Favors, Millsap, and Jefferson, then throw in a back court of
Harris and Haywood, we could be very young and good for a long time to come.
The funniest part of this article is the beginning. The reporters are constantly
nagging O'Conner and everyone else in the Jazz org. and they can't get them to
utter a peep. It drives them nuts so they beat the speculation horse until it is
nothing more than a pile of bones. Surely they have to realize that if the Jazz,
or any other team who are not talking about the first pick might hurt their
chances of getting the player(s) they want if they let it slip but their nature
is stronger than common sense so they keep trying. And this is not
the most important draft in franchise history. The most important one is the one
who brought the best / highest impact players to your team, or the one where a
team chooses a bust while another team chooses a future supetstar with a later
pick. The drafts that brought Stockton and Malone are 1 and 2 (you pick the
order) and 2005 brought Williams here so that is #3. No one knows how important
this one will be for several years.
SAC has a better offer from SA than Okur for a good player and moving up. 8 Mill
and a good player is too high of price to move up 4 spots. Harris
and Parker have similar numbers. Chandler is a FA and can't be traded.There is no reason to dump the 3 pick. The Jazz may take a player they don't
need that bad if they know they can trade him to another team below them and
get what they do need and still get the players they want. You may see MN play
the same game. The Jazz could take Kanter, then wait to see what CLE
does (and other teams moving up) and then trade down with TOR, WAS or SAC for an
SF/SG while still getting Valanciunas/Knight with their lotto pick. The problem
is SA (and other teams) offering Parker. HOU needs a big badly. They need Kanter
or Valancuinas and would pay dearly to get either. There are going
to be some trades tonight. CHA, MIL and GS would like to trade down. The Jazz are prepared and know what combo of players they want including
existing ones via trade.
@WombatYou really ought to cite it when you're quoting someone verbatim.
That's straight out of The Sports Guy's trade machine column.
Kanter, and yes if there Jimmer. Great draft! If not new favorite team? Who ever
takes the Jimmer.
The Jazz are an attractive team with their history of Karl M and John S. They
have also blended foreign players in this world of global expansion. I just
wish for the best for a franchise that appears to be "head and
shoulders": above the rest. I am a DePaul fan and Tyrone Corbin has an
interesting background with links to the Blue Demons who have fallen on hard
If SA will give up Hill for the 12th pick you know for whats sake DO IT! Hill is
twice the athlete Jimmer is and maybe a better shooter as well, then the big
thing he is proven Jimmer isn't. Draft Kanter then trade the 12th pick.
Dallas desperately needs a point guard?? The trophy they just hoisted begs to
differ on that opinion...I think the local media is keeping people's
hopes up that the Jazz will draft Jimmer. I don't think it's going to happen. If
he's there at 12 they'll pass on him. National media is saying there is no way
they would pick him because it's too much pressure for both Jimmer and the Jazz,
I agree with that it makes a lot of sense. Trade the 3 to Washington for the 6
and 18 picks, get Walker, Singleton, and Brooks.
I have to agree with byronbca--the top 3 picks are Irving, Williams, and Kanter.
I am officially on the "draft Kanter" bandwagon, after watching
several highlight reels of this guy. He plays large, he has good foot movement
(might need to quicken foot speed), he's pretty diverse, already, on offense,
and he's not afraid of contact. He's the kind of emotional player you want on
your team.I hear people talk about a risk with his knees, but I
haven't seen anything concrete about his knees. I haven't seen evidence that he
has missed a substantial number of games due to injury. Prone to injury may be
more smoke than substance.
I'm not impressed with Brandon Knight enough to draft him at #3. His dribble is
too high for his height. His shot is average at best, and thats considering he
played on a loaded team where he didn't have to take poor shots. Unless Irving
is somehow available at #3, I really don't see a PG getting drafted in the top
5/6.Drafting Kanter at #3 opens up several options for the twelfth
pick, and also opens up several trade options. Knight shuts down options at
#12, and shuts down trade options.
76ers fan for entire life ... until this afternoon when I see who selects The
Do Not Take Brevin Knight!
If the Jazz do draft Kanter and somebody like Kemba or Vesely slips to 8 or 9,
the Jazz should try to move up. Ante Tomic might be able to move the Jazz up 3
or 4 spots and if we have Kanter, Tomic becomes very expendable.The
perfect draft would be Williams somehow slips to 3, and Kemba either slips to 12
or at least slips far enough that he's within reach to trade up and grab him.A Williams/ Kemba combo could be lethal, but a Kanter/ Jimmer combo
could be pretty good too.
Maybe the writer of this article can tell us what team in the NBA needs to draft
a player that does NOT have an impact.No more draft articles...until
the draft, please.
I love all the negative Knight comments and pro Jimmer comments I'm seeing or
hearing on the radio. Let's be realistic here - Knight is younger, has more
upside, is more athletic, a better defender and can score in more ways and is
about 95% as good of a long range shooter as Jimmer. Really, let's stop being
homers and step back into reality, big-boy professional basketball mentality
here. Jimmer is a good guy and will be a good pro, but he's not Knight.That being said, i'd rather see us find a way to land Derrick Williams.
A future front line with Williams and Favors would be impressive... too bad I
think some other team will make a deal with Minnesota for him.
As much as I want the Jazz to draft Jimmer, if Kanter is available at 3, I'd
prefer they make that pick. His upside as a dominant center is too hard to
resist.The Jazz haven't had a dominant center since Eaton, and he
wasn't even a scorer. Kanter could be.As far as Williams or Irving
go, I'd pick Jimmer over them at 3 any day. Jimmer's upside is greater because
of his range, cross-over, and ability to finish at the rim (upper body
strength). Williams and Irving don't have all three of those qualities as
possibilities.@ Doctor J,Funny! But true?@
byronbca,Wasn't Jimmer reported to have taken Kemba to the woodshed
during their Jazz evaluation? I don't see where Kemba would be good for the
Jazz. He didn't assist in college any better than Jimmer did, and had better
options for those assists.
The Jazz will draft Kanter at the #3 unless Williams falls to them because MN
takes Kanter at the #2 spot.By the number #12 pick if Jimmer is
there he will be a Jazz. If not, Kevin will take some risk on an unknown player
whom he thinks might be great some day. Most likely he will waste this pick.Everyone on here is so high on the current Jazz team. If I remember
right, they couldn't win a game the second half of the season.
@CJ Miles - True, but they were without half of their starters, and where still
trying break in a new head coach, who had stepped in mid-season. I
think the Jazz do draft Jimmer (which I don't think they will) then they'll
probably trade him to another team for some other players. Regardless of what
happens in the draft, the Jazz have some house cleaning to do with some of our
Re: WhatsInItForMeKanter is a one inch taller Al Jefferson (at best,
5 years from now). Undersized for a center, good moves, big body, no
defense.Jimmer's upside is greater than Williams or Irving? What
are you smoking??? Seriously, stop thinking with your hearts and
think with your heads...
@ Doctor J | 9:47 a.m. June 23, 2011 Manti, UT "Do Not
Take Brevin Knight!" I think you're pretty safe there since Brevin Knight
is no longer in the NBA.Here's hoping the Jazz do take Brandon
Someone mentioned Ante Tomic. If you look at his recent play and development, he
does not figure to ever play in the NBA. Be nice if he had or did pan out, but
that potential curve didn't end up where it was hoped it would.
Re: WhatsInItForMeIn the month of March when it mattered most Kemba
was the best player in college; he is a winner who led a bunch of no name
freshmen to the national championship. I love the idea of him coming off the
bench playing the combo guard role. He is instant offense but he is also a
proven defender, Kemba is a better all around player than Jimmer.As
for their workout together, lets be honest here, that was like a home game for
Jimmer, and everyone who reported that Jimmer got the best of Kemba was a homer
who was there to see Jimmer in the first place. The coaches all said it was one
of the most competitive workouts they've ever seen, which means that it was a
close battle. I'll take the weight of a national championship over 1 close
workout any day. As a Ute fan and Alum I will admit that Jimmer
would be a good fit in Utah too, but getting Kemba at 12 would be the steal of
Kanter seems to be the right pick, but only to use as trade bait. Kanter has
not proven that he is any better at defense than Jefferson. He is a scoring
center which is the same as AJ. I say we take Kanter and package him to
Minnesota for Williams. Then we take Jimmer, Kemba, Burks or some other guard
Shawn.....Don't forget that same coach is back next season. No one knows if he
can even coach in the NBA.With AK gone, the defense will be worse
next year. I don't see this team winning more than 30 games. Harris doesn't
make the players around him better. Neither does AJ.The Jazz need
interior defense worse than anything. Next they need a shooter. The best odds
in this draft are Enes and Jimmer to fill those needs. I can't stand teams that
take the best player even if they don't need help in that area. Smart teams
draft players who will help the team be better regardless of being the best
player available. That's why San Antonio is so effective in the draft.
Forget Jimmer....he won't be available at #3. *rolling eyes*Only
the locals can turn "Jimmermania" into an illness....
"With the 3rd overall pick Jazz trade their 3rd and 12th to Miami for
Kanter will go to the Jazz @3, next the Jazz should trade the 12 pick &
Miles to Memphis for O.J. Mayo. I believe he is available and was traded last
season @ the trade deadline only to be nixed because the trade was minutes to
late. Go get him Kevin he is what we need at the 2 spot, and maybe we can get a
later pick of Memphis also.
The Jazz can't take Jimmer. #32 is retired.
There is absolutely NO indication Kanter will not play defense. At
6'11" (may grow) and 260 with 5% body fat he moves just as quick/fast as
Williams (who a lot of fans want to needlessly give Millsap up for by trading up
one spot), he should be a killer on defense. He will be just as big as Fes in a
year or two and a lot quicker and faster. Any game film of him as a
16 year old on defense in an all star game is not an indication of his defensive
ability.He is going to take some time to develop but he is probably
the 3rd best player in the draft(Irving, Valanciunas and Kanter). Williams is a
tweener and he is not an SF. He is no better than Millsap. It is
insane to give up Millsap to get Williams. Besides other teams want
Kanter bad. Draft him and trade him to HOU for whatever you want. WAS wants him.
SA is desperate to replace Duncan. Kanter has inside moves and can shoot
outside. Keep him and replace AJ in a couple of years when his
contract is up. Lots of good options.
All I can say for sure is this; if the Jazz are on the clock with the 12th pick
and Jimmer Fredette is still on the board they better take him or I will be one
upset fan. And if the don't take him and he pans out to be a fine
NBA player, which he will, in time jobs will and should be lost over it.
Veracity which NBA franchise plays in Green Bay? HArd to understand what he is
saying.SA is looking for young center to replace Duncan so the Jazz
who have a higher pick should beat them to the punch.
@ 1984 for life,Doctor J was being sarcastic about how Brandon
Knight will turn out. Didn't you get that?That's why I called it
"funny" in my previous post. It's probably quite accurate.@ byronbca,If Kemba's a better player than Jimmer, why was he
jimmered in their Jazz evaluation? If you want to believe the reporters of that
were all homers, that's your perogative. But you're wrong.Even if it
"was a close battle" like you said, then how is Kemba so much
"better" than Jimmer? Sounds like you're admitting they were equal.@ CJ Miles,You apparently didn't watch what Corbin did with
the team near season's end. He'll be a GREAT coach for the Jazz. He understands
the importance of team defense, which kind of defense got Miami and Dallas into
the finals.It also got that Laker win in LA with a hodge-podged team
that went up against a team that was expecting to win it all again.@
ouisc,I'm glad I have that Jimmermania illness. It feels pretty
good! Ya oughtta try it.
If I were the JAzz, this is what I would try to pull off today-Part
1-Portland wants to shed Miller and needs a PG badly. With the acquisition
of Gerald Wallace, they might like Batum, but don't need him.Jazz
trade DHarris ($9.3M) for non-guaranteed $7.8M Miller and Batum ($2.2M). TPE
that Jazz have from last year might be needed to make the numbers work, but it
is close. Jazz Waive Miller and keep Batum.Part 2-Cavs
drafting Irving don't need Sessions, but want another lottery pick. They also
need to shed their Lebron TPE, which expires 7/1, I believe. Jazz
trade Bell ($3.3M), #12 pick, and Okur ($11M) for Sessions ($4.3M), JJ Hickson
($2.2M) and Cavs TPE to cover deal (about $10M). Result=Jazz
draft Jonas V #3 (or whomever else they want)- unlike other top 8 teams, they
can wait 1 yr as their frontcourt is loaded.Bell for BatumSessions for HarrisHickson for Okur#12 pick for about $18M$18M can buy some serious free agents!!
Old Timer if Hill is twice the player Jimmer is and is a better shooter tell me,
please, why he was not the leading scorer in the nation. You are looking
through the glass darkly. You truly have been out in the Boonies far too long.
Being from New Mexico you just don't like anyone from BYU.
Jazz pass on Jimmer please. 13th pick is the Suns and if they pick Jimmer Steve
Nash will mentor him and other teams will only wish...A few years down the road
he will help lead the Suns to an NBA Championship! So please everyone thru 12
pass on Jimmer!
Jimmer is going to Sacramento.
LAjazz good idea. One thing Cleveland wants Okur? Portland and SLC still have