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Obama: 30,000-plus surge troops leaving Afghanistan

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  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    June 23, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    What? No more false accuasations from the liberals about the "Mission Accomplished" banner?

    Like I said, I told you so....

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    June 23, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    To liberal posters who deride Pres. Bush on the "Mission Accomplished" deal...

    If you had done an ounce's worth of research you'd know the "Mission Accomplished" banner was not, repeat, was NOT put up by any staffer, etc in the Whitehouse. It was put up by the ship's crew (the USS Abraham Lincoln) as a way of highlighting the fact that they'd just completed a 10-month deployment, the longest U.S. Navy aircraft carrier deployment since Vietnam. Yes, Whitehouse personnel made the banner but it was at the Navy's request (the USS Abraham Lincoln did not have the capabilities to make a banner like this). The Secretary of Defense at the time, Don Rumsfeld, even made sure that any 'mission accomplished-type' phrase was edited out of Bush's speech. Call Bush a liar if you wish but even the Navy has said on numerous occasions this is true.

    Again, do your own research and I'll come back later and say 'I told you so'.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    June 23, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    So much for staying until the job is done.

    So much for showing the world that Americans are a nation of do-ers.

    Just remember this....

    1) 50 years from now when history shows Afghanistan REALLY started to fall apart again in the summer of 2012, don't blame George Bush. (Well, you will anyway, forgetting entirely that it was The Clueless One, Obama, that announced a mandatory troop reduction even before he committed the troops to a surge.) Is that a stupid way to run a war? Why yes, Virginia, it is.

    2) When America experiences more and more terrorist attacks on our own soil as a result of emboldened terrorists, remember we had a chance to fight them across the ocean and 'bravely' decided to symbolically stick our heads in the sand and run away.

    I don't like the idea of having our troops over there any more than you do. As a matter of fact, I am one of them. But let's at least stick around and give the Afghanis a fighting chance. We should fight it to win and, no, America's public is not doing that.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    June 23, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    To those who blamed Bush for getting us into war: Remember, the 9/11 terrorists were already in the U.S. with their plans ready before he became president. Also remember that Democrats in Congress were very vocal in support of both wars when they authorized them. The difference is that demos wanted us out of Iraq before the mission was complete. The surge strategy of the Bush administration gave the new government of Iraq a chance to survive. We should not lose the advantage we have gained over Al Qaeda by pulling out of Afghanistan before the job is finished. Does anyone believe that the Afghani government is currently capable of defeating Al Qaeda? Or that Al Qaeda is no longer capable of continuing their stated wish of killing as many Americans (and other "infidels") as they can?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 23, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    I am not suggesting that we place troops in every country, because terrorists can be found everywhere. However, it was obvious that Al Qaeda and the Taliban (both in Afghanistan) were the most threatening of the groups. Invading Afghanistan was the most logical step in the war on terror. What would you have done differently? Put a want ad in Kabul and hope somebody turns in Bin Ladin?

    And was not Saddam Hussein an evil tyrant? Was he not a threat? Look at the United States since the Civil War and most, if not all, of our wars have been mostly in the interest of establishing freedom (although WWII and the War on Terror have more personal reasons). Americans love freedom, and the Iraqis love their new freedom (9 out of 10 soldiers will tell you that).

    Have you noticed that terrorists seem to be more busy attacking our troops and getting hold of a country than attacking US citizens? A group in charge of a country is far more dangerous. The Nazis or Communists would not have been big threats had they not secured hold of the German and Russian governments.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    June 23, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    So, conservatives, which is it?

    1. Leave the troops in Afghanistan for an indefinite amount of time so the conservatives will pout?

    2. Bring the troops home from Afghanistan so the conseravtives will pout?

    If President Obama brought world peace and gave every person a puppy, you guys would complain....

  • goatesnotes Kamas, UT
    June 23, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    ". . . to focus on nation building here at home." It's the one sentence in the speech that tips us off about his naive view of evil -- he's isolationist, or at least wants to be. The history of World War II is that we passed through a similar period before we were compelled to snuff out Hitler's German war machine. We sat it out, and only England was left in the Battle of Britain before we responded. With three foreign wars raging with no end in sight, it will be interesting to see just how isolationist we can remain on his watch.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 23, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    @Riverton Cougar

    So your terrorism policy would be to station US troops in any area of the world where terrorists are hiding?

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    June 23, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    I think I'll borrow the words of my grandfather and address them to some of the conservatives on this board who will find fault with Obama no matter what decision he makes, "You would complain even if you were hung with a new rope" LOL

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    'I'd rather the fight be at their place than ours. What say you?' - Riverton Cougar | 9:41 a.m.

    I WAS fighting at their place rather than ours. I WAS one of those people sent to front lines.

    Yongson, Seoul, South Korea. America has over 30,000 troops at any given time by the Demilitarized Zone or DMZ by the North/South Korean boarder.

    It's the most heavily fortified boarder, on earth.

    As such, I recognize the value of American lives because I was THERE, close too it, first hand being lost in pointles wars.

    I will concede that there will AWLAYS be war. And yet, we are tired of it. The 'faulty inteligence' that sent us to invad not one, but two countries wears thin on the American public.

    Unable to justify an American invasion of other countries.

    Supported by zero support for Libya.

    Osama Bin Laden is dead.

    If you'd rather 'they' fight the war THERE vs. here, well guess what?

    We are. Odds are we will never truly leave Afghanistan. Thanks Bush.

    But tell me, when exactly, was SAVING American lives 'un-patriotic?'

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 23, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    Pagan,

    One can come to the conclusion from your post that you are against the war on terrorism. I've got bad news for you: whether or not the Democrats in America want to stop fighting, the terrorists will want to keep fighting. Bringing all of our troops home is just begging for another huge terrorist strike as big as 9/11.

    It's not fair to the American civilians to make this war a defensive war. The terrorists are targeting all American citizens, not just the military. I'd rather the fight be at their place than ours. What say you?

  • Phill Provo, UT
    June 23, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    No need to be in Afghanistan. Most conservative Republicans wanted and have been calling out of Afghanistan. I don't understand the lack of unity within the Republican party regarding this matter. Ron Paul is a happy camper.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 23, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    @runwasatch

    Start 2 wars to earn yourself a second term. - W.

    The public was fooled for almost 8 years under W.

    Bringing our troops home from an endless war the Republicans started sure seems like an attempt to "fool" the public.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 23, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    Finally. This war that should have been "accomplished" during the last presidency will come to an end.

    Two of W's and the Republicans messes getting cleaned up. Over 100,000 troops have come home from Iraq, and now Afgahnistan.

    Thank you Mr. President. It's not easy inheriting a tire-fire from the previous guy. Especially when his party critisizes you for not cleaning up their messes quickly enough.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 23, 2011 7:32 a.m.

    Wait. Why isn't Obama dressed up in flight suit on a aircraft carrier saying mission accomplished? Why does it seem that everyone is mad that Obama is sending the troops home?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2011 7:16 a.m.

    One question to those against Obama.

    What did the previous administration or the Republican party for that matter...

    do to bring even THIS many troops...home?

    On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al-Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taleban regime in Afghanistan.'
    - GEORGE W. BUSH - 10/07/2001


    *"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

    Even Redshirt can only produce 'gas' WMD's. Not Nuclear.

    Whereas...

    *'Last U.S. combat brigade leaves Iraq' - By Rebecca Santana - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/19/10

    'Seven years and five months after the U.S.-led invasion, the last American combat brigade was leaving Iraq, well ahead of President Barack Obama's Aug. 31 deadline for ending U.S. combat operations there.'

    I know where my suport lies. It's with the person bringing our troops HOME.

    Not the party that continues to send them IN.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2011 7:12 a.m.

    We the people need to send this charlatan president packing, along with about 90% of the other charlatan politicians in Washington who pretend to represent our values. Americans would be better off without these powermongers making us look like total fools to the rest of the world.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    June 23, 2011 5:51 a.m.

    (Pipedream... I know... but) I'd like to see the troops used to take out the corrupt druglords in Mexico.

  • kge Syracuse, UT
    June 23, 2011 4:50 a.m.

    Wasted $$$, Wasted lifes, Long-term medical cost for Veterans, middle of the road response from Pres Obama (the Intern President)... political decision not based on request from congress, the American People or commanders on the ground. I don't like people who can't take a solid stand -- the President can't and the last on e miscued. Let's hope we elect a Leader and a Statesman in 2012. Our country can ill afford a third pretender that echoes 'Hope' or 'Mission Complete'.

  • runwasatch Ogden, UT
    June 22, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    Send in the troops to distract the public from real issues... Bill Clinton

    Bring home the troops to distract the public from the real issues...Obama

    this time the public won't be fooled.

    Afganistan is no where near ready to defend itself... Obama is just willing to sacrifice that country in an effort to win the election here at home.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 22, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    If terrorists take over Afghanistan, Obama will take a lot of heat for it. I just hope the war for terror in Afghanistan really is over (it should be after nearly a decade).

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    June 22, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    i hope o tells the enemy what time, day and location we will be leaving. the guy is a pure genius. 18 months left. hopefully we can survive until this community organizer leaves the white house and maybe the country.....well I can hope!

  • B Logan, UT
    June 22, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    Obama mentioned that we have to start 'Nation building at home.' I can hardly wait to see what he has in mind. This guy is so in over his head.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 22, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    Maybe we can use some of these returning troops to defend our borders. Let's hope they don't make a U-turn and head to Libya.