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  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    McHale was the third pick in 1980 because the Jazz picked Griffith thired -- to sell tickets. They knew McHale was the better player, and his Hall of Fame career, multiple Sixth-Man awards, multiple All-Defensive team, multiple All-Star career verified that.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 21, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    The San Antonio Spurs are offering point guard Tony Parker in a trade for a high pick in Thursday's NBA Draft, Yahoo! Sports reported Tuesday night.

    The Spurs are looking to get into the lottery and have talked with the Toronto Raptors (No. 5) and Sacramento Kings (No. 7). The Kings also have been linked to the Denver Nuggets Raymond Felton as they look to add a point guard and slide Tyreke Evans to the off-guard position.

    Should the Spurs move Parker, George Hill would take over as the starting point guard, although Yahoo! reports that Hill also has attracted interest from teams at the back end of the lottery.

    A veteran of 10 NBA seasons, the 29-year-old Parker averaged 17.5 points and 6.6 assists in 78 games last season.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 21, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    McHale was picked by the Celtics because Warriors owner Franklin Meuli (who probably made more bad decisions than any owner in NBA history) traded the #3 pick plus Robert Parish for the #1 pick which they used to take Joe Berry Carrol, another flop. He also was the culprit responsible for drafting Chris Washburn.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 21, 2011 9:20 p.m.

    I like this scenario: Cleveland plays it smart and picks Williams 1st, knowing they will still have their choice of Walker or Knight at #4, Minnesota will not take another point guard so the Jazz are able to grab Irving at #3. I like it!!!

    Jazz then take an outside shooter at #12 or trade up for a couple of picks and get a shooter and a big man project like Nogueira or Tyler.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 21, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    Knight is probably a safe pick, but I'll be disapointed if we don't get a big. Vesely would be interesting and be able to contribute right away. Wish he could shoot.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 21, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    MN would take Irving and trade Rubio or Irving. Even Kahn is not that dumb.

    I like Valanciunas, Kanter and Knight in that order with the 3.

    Who would SA target at 5 or 7? They have no need of Kemba and the good bigs should be gone. They need to replace Duncan.

    SA is is hoping Valanciunas drops due to his buyout. Trading Parker for Valanciunas gives you an idea of how much he is worth. Many scouts consider him to be the best pick in the long run.

    If Valanciunas can replace Duncan then the Jazz need to get him before they look like complete idiots.

    Lets hope the Jazz are at least as smart as SA? I wish I had faith in that idea.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    June 21, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    Maybe the Jazz will draft Valanciunas and let him finish his contract in Europe, and bring the big man they drafted a couple years ago, who has been developing in Europe. Haven't heard much about him for awhile, so don't know how his development has progressed or whether he can come to the US at this time. Anyone know anything about his situation? I believe his name is Tomic or something like that. Please advise, someone in the know!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 21, 2011 11:49 p.m.

    Duncan is 6'11" 255, Valanciunas is listed a 6'11" and at least 240-244. Wojnarowski referred to him as 7'1". He is barely 19. Do you think he will add 10 pounds next year? Wojo is also saying CLE should draft him at 4.

    Kanter is probably going to be good but he is high risk. Knight is probably going to be good but is also a lot higher risk than many think and he seems to be dropping on boards unless Utah takes him.

    V is the safest pick at 3. The Jazz can work on getting the kinks out of AJ/Millsap during the lockout year and develop Favors. Then they can trade a big when they bring in V. AJ/Millsap will be worth more as expiring contracts then,than now or during the lockout year.

    You have to max the value of your picks over a couple of years. This is the best chance Utah has at a quality big. It also maxes the value of existing assets.

    Trade for a PG later/use Harris for a year.

    This is a no brainer. Is Knight better than Parker? SA is not moving up for Knight.

  • Large Tuna Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2011 12:17 a.m.

    So Walt Perrin first says they should always pick the best player available. He then goes on to say they should pick the player that is best for the team, no matter what number its at. Well, which one is it??

    Honestly, I think it's all just a canned response from the Jazz brass to shoe off reporters asking the same questions over and over again.

  • Large Tuna Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2011 12:27 a.m.

    @panamandesnews: regarding your Tomic question, I heard recently on the radio that he is not, and at this point probably never will ever come to the US and play. That pick is long gone.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 22, 2011 12:37 a.m.

    Parker had 17.5 points and 6.6 assists and played for the best team in the West. Harris had 15.2 and 7.1 and played for 2 of the worst in the NBA.

    Parker has had 7 years of 16-22 points and about 6 assists. Harris has had 5 years of 16-21 points with about 6 assists. His numbers with Utah are down a little but it is a new team for him.

    At this point I am not sure Knight is better than Parker or Harris. However, I think Harris has 2 problems.

    1. his shooting is inefficient
    2. his PG style does not fit the Jazz well.

    He is a better fit for another team. Playing him besides Knight does not solve either problem. Replacing him with Knight may solve the shooting problem.

    I am not sure Knight wants to be in Utah. Too many picks will beat him up. Sloans flex is a meat grinder. That is why it is hard to get effort except in the 4th Q.

    Go big. Get a PG who can handle the grind.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    June 22, 2011 2:09 a.m.

    The Jazz should take Jimmer at 3. In the future it will be known he should have been the number one pick.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    June 22, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    There is no response to this article which shows it did not cause any thought, was not informative, and was without merit.

    Tons of talk about who and when they should be drafted but chances are the Jazz have already made their plans and have decided the direction to go. They scouted, worked out the players of interest, watched them compete in college and head to head and are in a better situation to make the call.

    Last season after intial disappointment the Jazz pick turned out be be very positive, and if lucky the Jazz can repeat that performance.

    The question remains to be answered if the team is going to trade to move up in the draft and make it really meaningful. KOC was good about that before and probably will do the same if he thinks the Jazz would benefit.

    I am thinking that Joe Pryzbilla for Millsap prior to the draft makes sense for the Jazz and Portland had expressed interest in Millsap a couple of years ago.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    June 22, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Whomever O'Connor chooses as #3 and #12 will most likely make hardly a difference.

    O'Connor claims that the Jazz always pick the best athletes available when their turn comes up.

    The "best athlete" is determined as objectively as possible, looking at stats, game tapes etc., then taking a very short gander a few weeks before the draft. Supposedly this is a "scientific" process.

    But such "science" indicated to almost all other NBA teams, when Stockton and Malone came along (one year after the other), that neither was the one to pick at their respective spots.

    It was the Laydens and the Jazz management at the time (O'Connor wasn't even here) who "felt" that Stockton and Malone were right. They said they would have picked them earlier than they did if they'd had a higher pick available.

    In other words, instead of the "scientific" method, they used their gut and looked for the intangibles. As it turned out, S. and M. proved to be the Jazz's best picks of all time.

    Whomever O'Connor picks at 3 and at 12, I'd put money on saying, will make hardly a difference!

    What matters comes after the draft and during the season.

    HEART!

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    June 22, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    As of this morning, according to Andy Katz at ESPN, the Jazz are debating either Kanter or Knight for the third pick, at this point leaning toward Kanter, though "discussions within the organization are fluid". No mention of Valenciunas.

    I like Bugoff's arguments for selecting V. over Kanter. The Jazz apparently don't.

    But history assures us of one thing: the Jazz like to surprise us with their draft picks.

  • vail39 Summerville, SC
    June 22, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    I would like Kanter, then trade the 12th pick for the wizards 6th and 18th pick. We may have to give up one of our picks next year but that is ok. Take Jimmer with the 6th and Harris with the 18th pick.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    June 22, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    I really think the biggest problem with this years draft is big time talent at the very top of the draft but I think the later picks (5-20) are very deep and there is a ton of talent who may have a better chance of becoming a star.

    I would love it if the Jazz traded the 3rd pick to Washington for their 6th and 18th picks. Then I would love it if they took Jimmer 6th, Chris Singleton 12th and someone like Jeremy Tyler, Marshon Brooks, or Jordan Hamilton 18th.

    You get a proven scorer, shooter, PG who can develop coming off the bench behind Harris for a year or two in Jimmer.

    You get a big defensive SF who can literally defend every position on the floor to replace Kirilenko. I believe this would make the Jazz more athletic as well.

    Finally, you could use the 18th pick to add depth or possibly take a chance on a Jeremy Tyler or add a another scorer in Brooks or another shooter in Hamilton.

    What do you guys think about that? Would that be a good move for the Jazz?

  • herrminer Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 22, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Hope the Jazz pick Kanter, not Knight. Kanter is the player who will have the greater impact (i.e., the "best player available"--assuming he's available).

  • first2third Elmo, UT
    June 22, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    In general the draft this year is week. The uncertainty of the NBA lockout and the amount of money these rookies would make, made it so fewer came out for the draft. That being said if the Jazz could get Parker and a future first rounder along with this years first, for Harris and our first... I say take it and run!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 22, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    The Jazz do not know what they are going to do because they do not yet know what CLE and MN are doing.

    There is still some chance CLE goes with Irving and MN takes Kanter. Beasley may not be that valuable in trade. BPA has transaction costs. That leaves Williams, Valanciunas and Knight for the Jazz. They probably would go with Williams but there is some concern that he has to use both feet to shoot (unlike Dirk).

    A choice between Williams and Valanciunas is harder than V/Kanter vs Knight. Hoopsworld reports that Utah is leaning slightly to Kanter over Knight. How they would know is iffy. KOC has a record of doing unexpected picks.

    Williams should be able to play more SF than Millsap but he is essentially Millsap with a CA attitude.

    I would hate to see SA get Valanciunas especially for Parker who they easily replace with Hill and who is no better than Harris if used properly.

    The SA management is pretty good. So is OKC. Both of those teams will move a productive Vet to get what they need. Valanciunas would set them up for years.

    Jimmer will probally be at 12.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 22, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    Jimmer and #3 don't belong in the same sentence. If the Kings trade out, Jimmer will be sitting in the Green Room until 15 or 17.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 22, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    If they pick Valacunias. Tomic is gone. He is way overrated and is only a good player because the jazz drafted him.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 22, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    Parker is too old. If the Spurs are dealing him to move up in what is percieved to be a weak draft, there is something really wrong with him.

  • SloanHater Farmingtown, IL
    June 22, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    This is a weak draft with a bunch of bench players. Next year's draft has better and deeper talent. If the Jazz want a franchise PG, they should plan to acquire a high pick NEXT year.

    As a Jazz fan I hope that Irving or Williams drops to #3. I never overestimate David Kahn. I would be happy to see Kanter/Jimmer in Jazz uniforms next year. Both playing small roles off the bench.

    I also wouldn't mind seeing the Jazz trade #3 for Washington's #6 and #18 picks. Take Valanciunas/Thompson, Jimmer, and Biyombo/Faried. I'm no fan of byu, but as a Jazz fan I recognize that Jimmer is an upgrade over Kyle Korver, and we all recognize how much the Jazz missed Korver.

    It's just nice to know KOC doesn't have to defer to Sloan on this #3 pick..

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    June 22, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    Kanter is the best available. He was coached in practice at Kentucky. His father is deeply involved. He would have Memo as a mentor. Did I forget to say that he is six foot eleven and an imposing physical specimen?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 22, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    The Jazz should trade the 3rd and 12th pick, along with Milsap to the Bucks to get Bogut, and Jennings. That would give us the big man who plays defense in the middle, as he lead the league in blocked shots last year, and also an outside shooting threat. Or the 3rd pick, Milsap, Miles and some cash for those 2 players and keep the 12th pick, (and I much as I dislike BYU) draft Jimmer if he is still there at 12, and have another shooter to come off the bench and play the backup PG role, and maybe some 2, depending on who the @ is in the game for the other team.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    First of all if you are going to rebuild you don't go get an older point in Parker. Let that thought go now please!

    Kanter is the safer pick at three then take the best available at 12. And yes if that is Jimmer you have to. Kanter and Jimmer is a solid and could be the safest draft options.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    What are people thinking with the whole trade Millsap thing? Did they forget the miracle in Miami and many other games he won for us? Did they forget that he has exceeded expectations on almost every level? He's got more heart than anyone on the Jazz. To trade him is pure stupdity, especially cuz Favors isnt quite ready for the big time!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    President Joker | 9:11 a.m. June 22, 2011
    Washington, DC
    "Jimmer and #3 don't belong in the same sentence."
    ===

    You are the only one who used them in the same sentence.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    I think I would rather have Kanter than Knight...Knight seems a little cocky and he may not like SLC...Harris may be better than Knight...Jimmer or Kemba may be better than Knight...Knight may be decent...but he worries me a little bit. I do not think I would take Kemba or Jimmer @ 3 but I do not think I would take Knight either.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    Jimmer would be a steal @ 12!

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    The Jazz have 3 options at 3:

    The first would be to take Knight, this is the safest pick, he fills a need, can play both guard positions and he has 2 years to learn how to be a starting PG.

    The second is to take Kanter, Kanter has more upside than anyone in this draft, but he also has high bust potential. The fact that quality big men are the hardest thing to acquire in the NBA means he is going to be hard to say no to. The Jazz will not have another opportunity to draft a big this talented again any time soon.

    The third is to draft Kanter, and if Vesely is still available at 6, make a trade with the Wizards and take Vesely. Vesely would fill the biggest need as AK is probably done with the Jazz and Milsap is better at the 4. Plus the Jazz would get another draft pick either this year or next.

  • SloanHater Farmingtown, IL
    June 22, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Assuming the Jazz go safe and pick Kanter/Jimmer, the 2012 Roster would be:

    PG Harris, SG Hayward, SF Millsap, PF Big Al, C Favors.
    With Memo, Raja, Evans, Kanter, and Jimmer on the bench.

    That's a playoff team with some decent coaching. I imagine the Jazz will bring back AK and CJ. Then possibly sign one good free agent (Micheal Redd, Shannon Brown, Tayshaun Prince, or Mike Dunleavy). And throw in Fes for entertainment value..

    That looks like a Western Conference Contender to me.

  • SloanHater Farmingtown, IL
    June 22, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    Let's dream big and hope Williams drops to #3.. The Jazz two-deep would be impressive.

    PG Harris, SG Hayward, SF Williams, PF Big Al, C Favors.
    PG Jimmer, SG CJ(Redd/Brown), SF AK/Evans, PF Millsap, C Memo/Fes.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 22, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Evan though we may have to wait to get Jonas on the floor here in the US, I think he would be worth the wait. He is a true center and he has a good motor, good attitude, good potential, he shoots 80 to 90 % from the free throw line, that tells me he can be a shooter. I think he would be a safe pick.
    I like Kanter and so if they take him, it is because they like him and think he will be the kind of player they need. Kanter is more skilled offensively than Jonas but I'm not sure about his motor and defense. That is why I would probably take Jonas, from what I know.
    I too , don't want Knight to be our 3rd pick, I know he has potential but I'm not sure what that is.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    June 22, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    @Sloanhater

    How on earth is Kanter/Jimmer safe????

    ...boggle...

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    Tomorrow will answer all the questions...........

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    June 22, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    I won't take a sports columnists word that there is no Deron Williams, Michael Jordan, Maravich or Dominique in this draft. Derrick Williams certainly has all the tools, and if he learns the intricacies of the game quickly, realizing that personal stats are not where it's at, he has the physical capability. Jimmer could be fantastic in the pros, especially now that point guards can't be hand-checked away from the lane. And Jimmer already is willing to pass, and the NBA guys are much better at finishing that Cougars. Jimmer will never shoot as poorly as Morrison (and doesn't have diabetes, either). Jimmer is only 1/4" shorter than Deron Williams, according to the combine measurements (6' 2 1/2" in shoes vs. 6' 2 3/4"). Jimmer is almost as heavy (195 vs. 202 according to combine measurements). Jimmer is a better shooter than Deron, a better passer coming out of college (Deron has picked it up since joining the NBA), a better ball handler, a better foul shooter, just as good at splitting screens and just as competitive. Deron has better vertical lift. We'll know in 5 years if there's a superstar in this draft.

  • netmaster Farmington, UT
    June 22, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    There are no safe picks in this draft. I think Jimmer has a tremendous upside. Danny Ainge had the best quote on comparing Jimmer to other players -- he is comparable to nobody else because he has a unique set of basketball skills in addition to his amazing shooting ability. There are several players with fantastic athletic ability, and some guards who are roughly as quick and fast as Jimmer. Any of these could pan out nicely, but I honest don't see a single safe pick. I like Williams No. 1 but question his heart. Do you think Jordan would have let Jimmer score 49 while helping BYU beat his team by 30? No way. MJ would have gone to the coach, insisted on personally guarding Jimmer and made him give up the ball. Williams didn't do that and probably couldn't. (Of course, to be fair, MJ might have had trouble staying in front of Jimmer, too).

  • SloanHater Farmingtown, IL
    June 22, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    JazzRule,

    If the Jazz pick Kanter/Jimmer, Jazz Nation will be happy. No pressure on Kanter. He can learn from Favors/Big Al while playing a bench role.

    If Knight is picked at #3, he will be compared to D-Will. The assumption will be that he's the future of the franchise at PG, as a #3 pick should. He will also have put the Jazz in a position where they most likely wouldn't draft another PG (Jimmer) at #12 even if he's available. Seems pretty risky to me. Jazz nation is not a forgiving nation.

  • COOL HAND LUKE Old Ephraims Grave, UT
    June 22, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    All good comments! I am anxiously awaiting the draft tomorrow.

    Curious that all the talk is about a very weak draft but all of these teams are scrambling to get in the top 5 even in the top 10 for a specific guy. Interesting..

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    June 22, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    I'm with the Capt and Dr.J on this one because the signals being sent by this young Knight are that he doesn't want to be here. I'm not sure the cocky lad is all that good anyway, least not for 3,4 years down the road.

    If available I like with the 3 Williams, Jonas, and Kanter in that order. With the 12 depending on whose available: Jimmer, Klay Thompson, Walker, Burks, Singleton......GO Kevin! Go Jazz! Get it right!

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    June 22, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    I have to admit that the more I looked into Knight and his stats the less impressed I was. I will be disappointed if the Jazz draft him at #3 as he has average written all over him. Best case is DHarris- who the Jazz have for the next two years. However, his college stats compared to other draft PGs are not impressive at all and he could be a bust for a pick this high.

    Kanter and Jonas V are hard nuts to crack, but I think that either is a better pick than Knight at #3. Kanter really isn't a center and doesn't give us anything that we don't already have in Favors. V is a true center with the most upside who could replace Okur and Al.

    I would love to see Jonas V contract situation make him slide, the Jazz trade the #3 to Washington for their #6 and #18, with Jonas V at #3, and players such as Singleton, Jimmer, Biyombo, Hamilton with the #12 and #18. Jonas could play in Europe for another year during the lockout and come to Utah in 2012 a bigger, better prospect during Al's last contract year.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 22, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Sloanhater.

    First of all with your screen name, I really should not waste my time on responding. I was one of the first who said that that combo was the safest option. Do some homework and realize knight and walker are a bigger risk than Kanter and Jimmer. I would avoid both of them. Watch who has a better career and is in the league longer. And don't get sold on all they hype or biases and that will help.

    Loose the name!

  • Crotty Kid Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    I think that trading #3 to Washington for #6 and #18 is a good possibility. Rumors state that Wizards are willing to do that to get Kanter.

    Best case scenario, IMHO, would be something like Jonas V at 6, Jimmer at 12 and Singleton at 18. Jazz would have a true big man for the future, great shooter and a great defender. All have weaknesses and concerns but in my own little fantasy world, I would do that.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    June 22, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Re my Knight comments, I think the guy is smart and high character and will probably be a good PG. I just am not convinced that he will be a great PG worthy of a #3 pick, and outside the character issues wonder if he is a good fit for the Jazz.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    June 22, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    The Jazz brass has surprised us before and we know that there are trades right up to post time. I think that the Jazz need a shooting guard before another PG. I like that Klay Thompson SG at 12 and I have no idea what the Jazz will do, like last year with Hayward. I sure didn't see that coming. The only prediction I have is that the Jazz could fool us all. This isn't all on KOC as the scouts, the Millers, Corbin , and Randy Rigby all have a say in the matter.
    That trade for Williams was a good move as I think that Deron had other plans for this year and the Dallas area is his home.
    One problem with the # 3 selection is that the rookie salaries are high with so little evidence of promise and productivity. A high price to pay if the selection goes South.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 22, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    Yahoo Sports is saying Williams, Kanter and Knight are all high risk picks at 3. As you know I think Valanciunas is a much safer and better pick.

    Williams has to establish himself as a SF which is somewhat iffy. He is basically Millsap and Millsap has horrible net PER numbers at SF (82games). Williams also requires jumping off of 2 feet when shooting and that slows up his release enough that he will have a high block rate. He may be starter but not ROY or a super star at SF. His outside shooting is not good enough.

    Kanter has to make a great leap from high school to the NBA as a big. Usually very difficult and takes time.

    Knight really is a combo guard at best. He is not a PG and it will take him time to learn to be a PG (which he may not do that well. Look at Price).

    SA offered Hill for the 12. Hill had 11.6 points and 2.5 assists in 28 minutes. I would say NO to the trade. Those are not great numbers and SA is unloading him for a reason.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    June 22, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    3rd Pick Rookie salary... 4.2 million
    12th pick--- 2,083 Million
    CJ Miles 3.7 million
    Is Knight more of a value than lefty ?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 22, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    Crotty: I would like that too. I think Jonas will be very good in a few yrs and Jimmer gives us a shooter and a player to put the ball on the floor and create for himself or his teammates, Singleton give us a versatile wing, that can defend.
    All that being said, Minn. may take Kante and we end up with Williams, Williams has to prove he can be a 3 , but I think he can, he has the athleticism to play D on a 3 and he has the offensive tools to play the 3, he will have to get used to playing on the perimeter but I can see him being able to do that. Some (Locke)says nothing he has done says 3, but the reason is he played the 4 (&5)for AZ. again he has the skills and athleticism to play the 3, he just needs to practice and play at that postion to develop his outside game.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 22, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    I think Williams is plenty quick and athletic enough to play the #3 spot and will be even more valuable because he could play 4 effectively at times since he is a true 6'8" and has a 7'1" wingspan. With his length he could also be the guy that could guard the likes of Durant and Odom at the #3 spot. I'm hoping he slides to the Jazz.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 22, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    @ Bugoff 12:37am 22nd,

    "Get a PG who can handle the grind." You mean Jimmer? You just dissed Knight and Harris. So, who's left? Certainly not Kemba---he's won't handle the grind (bumping). Too slightly built.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 22, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    Jimmer took a lot of abuse in college and kept on ticking. He would be a candidate. I would like the Jazz to take a chance on him developing into a PG just to see how good of a PG he really is. He is a better risk at 12 than Knight is a 3. He is also better than any other PG below 12.

    To me he is low risk because his worst case is a shooter off of the bench and he can always be traded for another draft pick if the Jazz need.

    He is pretty much win win. He just is not a lot of risk. He has alway risen to the occasion. I think he will insist on playing decent D and developing into a good PG. It is just his nature to adapt and then excel.

    It may take a couple of years but he will develop into more than just a shooter. But he can open up the floor this year. He can play this year and the Jazz need shooting badly.

  • Teddy Bear Las Vegas, NV
    June 22, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    Here is what Bill Simmons suggests on grantland-dot-com:

    "TRADE NO. 8: Utah trades no. 3 pick (30 cents) and Mehmet Okur (nickel) to Sacramento for no. 7 pick (25 cents), Jason Thompson (dime), and $7.9 million in cap space (25 cents). Final tally: Sacramento (35 cents), Utah (60 cents).

    Here's the beauty of this one: Sacramento adds $7.9 million in 2012 payroll (the difference between Okur's 10.9 million expiring deal and Thompson's $3 million deal) to jump four spots and grab Brandon Knight (a better fit for them than anyone at no. 7). Meanwhile, Utah sheds $7.9 million to drop four spots and take hometown hero Jimmer Fredette who they couldn't have taken at 3 without being ridiculed then trots out a Jimmer/Gordon Heyward backcourt next season that would basically melt the entire state of Utah into hot lava. I can't live in a world where Jimmer doesn't play for the Jazz. I just can't."

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    June 22, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    I fail to see how Walker or Knight would be a better pick for the Jazz than Jimmer. KOC realizes this too, after seeing them workout and in interview, and that is why the Jazz will take a big at 3, unless Williams falls into their lap. Then he hopes and prays Jimmer doesn't go to Sactown at 7 and is available at the 12.

    Best case scenario for the Jazz, as far as this fan is concerned: Williams and Fredette. Would be sweet.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    June 22, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    @MiP, I agree, and with 3 point guards left after Kanter or Williams i'm positive at least one of them would still be around at #12, that said, if Jimmer is taken I would prefer Thompson or Brooks with that pick.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    RE: Bugoff
    "He just is not a lot of risk."

    I'm trying to come around to this idea of the Jazz and the Jimmer, really. I think the Jazz will pick him to appease some fans, and that seems like a really poor reason.

    I read GM's doubt he'll transition to the NBA because he got shut down against Florida and UCLA. He played last summer against NBA players to help them get ready for the world championship and he was "eaten up".
    His workout with the Knicks wasn't his best because he was up against players with length. Not every NBA player is Kemba-sized, so who cares if he dominated Walker. I see analysts talk about Jimmer will have a nice career coming off the bench, but won't be a starter.

    While I hear all praise and glory from Jimmer's fans, its a different story from NBA analysts and pro scouts. On one website, he leads the voting in "mostly like to be an NBA bust". That doesn't give me confidence.

    My hope is a team above makes a crazy pick (they always do) and an unexpected player drops to 12 that the Jazz snatch up.

  • yourmomgoestocollege Las Vegas, NV
    June 22, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    moderate-its a mixed bag from NBA analysts and pro scouts, not a completely different story. So what if fans vote him to be the most likely NBA bust? What do they (we) know?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 23, 2011 12:41 a.m.

    @ Moderate,

    How does scoring 32 against Florida on a torn calf equate to being shut down?

    And, no, he wasn't eaten up playing against NBA guys last summer. His showing there prompted Kevin Durant to later sing his praises ("best scorer in the world"), because he knew how good Jimmer was from playing with/against him.

    So, nice try.

    Keep in mind that 90% of scouts and analysts saw very few of Jimmer's college games, so pretty much have had to go with what others were saying. You can't get a very good idea of a player from a small sampling.

    Jimmer didn't win POY just because he led the nation in scoring. It's HOW he did it that won those awards. He's unstoppable, one of the main criteria for being a superstar in the NBA. Just name another player in this year's draft that fits that bill. There isn't another.

    And Bugoff is correct that Jimmer is not a lot of risk. Only his defense can at this point be questioned, and that's not a major issue in team-oriented defenses of the NBA. But, knowing Jimmer, he'll have no problem correcting that!

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 23, 2011 6:22 a.m.

    Grab Valaciunas....we need that guy who would patrol the paint...that's the guy...and if we get jimmer...we could defend...and score...we only need one more SF...and we are back....please...Valaciunas - Jimmer...make it happen

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 23, 2011 6:31 a.m.

    @Whatsinitforme

    i saw jimmer's vids...sadly...he made me a fan...i saw something in him...when i saw Hayward play for butler...the kid is a baller...but...the difference is...when i saw Hayward play...it wasnt just...jab steps...step back threes and put back slams....there were fast break blocks and good man to man D....and with what im seeing with jimmer...i think he can improve on those...anyone can improve...he already has one skill to bank on..im sure he'll work twice as hard...on the other end of the floor...knowing that the scoring load is off his shoulders....i hope we get good players this year...Klay Thompson i think is someone to watch...