Exactly how far did Burks take his team into the NCAA's?
Taking Jonas with the 3rd pick is smart, busniess wise, if he doesn't come over
, The Jazz save his salary & luxury tax as well, this also gives our other
young players valuable court time Jonas @ 3Jimmer @ 12
If the Jazz wanna shoot for the stars, yeah, take Valan at 3. Might even start
a run on the Euros, help Burks drop. Jazz could maybe even trade up a couple
spots, throw in CJ's expiring, tho I doubt they will make any move that puts one
penny of extra money on their cap until there's a new CBA. I'd take Valan &
Burks to replace Memo & CJ in a nanosecond, don't care if there's a waiting
period for Valan.Stockton & Nash are/were considerably better
than Price IMO, tho Price was pretty dang good. Jimmer's success will almost
entirely be due to where he lands and luck with injuries. Be fascinating to
watch.C'mon KOC, the pressure's on!
I was sitting in the Salt Palace when the JAZZ picked a no name John Stockton
and you should have listened to all of the BOOOOOOOSSSSS. Most of you who
are so smart are probably the same ones who were in the Salt Palace that
night.The JAZZ should probably take the best big-man-5 that might be
available at #3 but if not then JF would more than likely be the best pick in
the long run - but get him at #12 or before. Jimmer has a great b-ball
sense and desire and he will not hurt any team plus he will probably become
another Stockton or Price or Nash & he can play D as good as or better than
any of them.
The Jazz can take Valan at 3 and hope Burks drops to 12. Burks shoots better
than his CO record. There will be enough trades on draft night that
the board will move. Burks has a 25-30% chance of being there at 12. I am aware that PAWS is an indicator but not a great predictor of NBA
performance. It is better than sheer guess work, 1 hour work outs and fan
support.Many times success in the NBA is fit or sheer luck. Look at
Mathews last year. It took 2 injuries to get him playing time so he could get
his chance. He had the right skill set to fit that opportunity. Even after he
started most of the year there were several national pundits who claimed he was
not good enough to start. He seems to be doing well in POR.Who makes
it in the NBA has a lot to do with the coaches and the system you need to play
Bug, I love ya bro, but as you know there are big problems with using PAWS to
evaluate NBA veterans (Kevin Love is not better than Dwight Howard), so there
have to be infinitely more problems using it to evaluate one & done college
kids and teenage Euros. This draft is a total turkeyshoot.I just
heard on a major sporst website podcast that Valan almost certainly won't be
available for at least a year due to buyout issues. He may well have the
highest upside of anyone in the draft along with Burks, but it's gonna be
awhile. Everything I've read about Donatas is negative, same contract issues
and nowhere near the upside of Valan. I'm leery of Vesely too tho at least he's
a hustler. If I had to take one it'd be Kanter unless I'm willing to wait on
Valan. I've heard Tomic hasn't progressed at all, will never make the NBA.I wonder if there is a way for the Jazz to get both Valan & Burks;
seems unlikely. Huge gamble, but five years from now they could easily be the
two best players from this draft.
Jazz be smart, go for the kid out of UConn...
The way things are right now both Burks and Thompson are probably gone at 12.
They have both moved up. Burks has a PAWS of 10+, Thompson is 8+ and
Singleton is 7+. The Jazz would be better off with Jimmer than
Singleton. Chandler Parsons is a better choice at SF with a PAWS of 10+. He is
late in the 1st round and the Jazz can get him cheap if they want.
Sigh... So anyone who doesn't want Jimmer has to be either a Ute or a BYU hater?
I know you worship JF, but those aren't the only people that don't want him on
the Jazz. I am a Jazz fan and I don't want JF on the team.I watched
every game Jimmer played his Junior and Senior seasons.Pretty sure
you are the one that needs to learn some objectivity.Jimmer is not
the right fit for the Jazz.Arguing with you is pointless, because on
Thursday Jimmer will not be drafted by the Jazz and it wont matter what either
of us think of him.Also, I understand your bashing of anyone
available at #12 (and B Knight I'm sure) is solely because you want Jimmer, but
do some research.Burks shot 36% from 3-pt line his freshman year,
but 30% his Soph year. Yes those aren't great, but he can improve that just like
Jimmer did. (BTW Knight shot 37.7% from 3 his freshman year). Jimmer shot 33.3%
from 3-pt his freshman year. Pretty sure they can all improve theirs like your
After hearing what Klay had to say about his MJ issue, there's no doubt he
thinks there's nothing wrong with it. All he was worried about is getting caught
(i.e., "being honest").Stear clear of him! He's future
trouble.Once such a kid gets lots of money and begins living the
celebrity lifestyle, his past can easily catch up to him again.Sounds like Burks is NOT the trey threat that the Jazz need. Shooting only
31.3% from the college line isn't much of an endorsement.@ Draft
dumbie,No way Bogut (over time) is better than Kanter or Jonas V.@ JazzRule,You need to take off your rose-colored Ute
glasses. You're losing credibility with your Jimmer bashing. You never really
watched him that much, did you? Except maybe when he creamed the Utes.@ Anti Bush-Obama,You're comparing apples to oranges. We know what
color your glasses are!
Hey Jimmerites, There was an article published today talking about the Indiana
Pacers draft in 1987. There was a lot of pressure to take the local guy over a
player named Reggie Miller. The FO for Indiana chose wisely and decided to not
listen to the fans and take Reggie Miller. The best choice they ever made
because the local guy that everybody wanted didn't amount to anything.
Knowing what I know now about Burks, I want him at 3. He will be the steal of
this draft and has the potential to become another Brandon Roy or Paul Pierce
type of player.
Hey Calgary when Kanter went to the combine he had the third lowest body fat
there. When they ran, and ran and ran he was fourth out of all the people
there including guards. He out ran many of the guards there and lots of
wings and he is already a solid 260lbs. As far as athletic he is already a
monster.This league loves to see bigs running and being effective and
Kanter has a good chance to do that.Next year there are no bigs of
value on the horizon, don't trade down for one. Hopefully KOC has
teams lined up for trades depending on who gets taken, or otherwise he will have
a few Hayward types he has discovered in the draft.
@ Draft dumbieI read that article on Bogut the other day too... but
then I read this article on SB Nation... it was a rumor and rumor only"There's no truth to any of these false rumors that have been
reported," Hammond said.One report said the Bucks were
considering a deal that would send Bogut and their No. 10 pick in Thursday's
draft to Minnesota for the No. 2 overall pick.Hammond said the Bucks
"have not" talked with the Timberwolves about a deal.It
went on to say the Bucks would never make that trade - everMy Vote:
Kanter #3 (Valaciunas has contract issues) then Burk or Singleton w/#12 - Jimmer
if available but I do not think he will be.
Not a single player in this year's draft is going to be an sure thing immediate
impact player in the NBA, including Williams. This draft has good, but not
elite players, which is why Jimmer was so dominate in college. Given this,
trade 3 to NY, for a 17 this year and their 1st round next year. Take the best
wing player available at 12 (probably Singleton or Harris), and the best true
project center at 17 (Probably Tyler) If Valancunias is available at 12 draft
him and pick up a wing at 17.
i think we need as much threat on the outside as possible...most teams...have 2
or more threats from deep...we all know that dallas...has loads of them...its
the easiest way to come back from a...solid D...and raining threes....
@C.J. MilesIt amuses me that Jimmer worshipers have convinced
themselves that the only people who could be critical of him or not want him on
the Jazz are BYU haters or Ute fans. I am a Jazz fan and I don't
want him on my team for the reasons listed previously. I think there are many
other prospects that are better than him.I support all the teams in
Utah, but just because I don't want Jimmer, a BYU guy, to be on the Jazz doesn't
mean I hate him. I just don't think he is worth picking.Trade for
him or sign him in about 4 years when you know what he can do in the NBA, for
now get a guy that is worth picking with our draft picks.
They obviously didn't bother watching the combine in Canada.
Why on earth so many of you want defensless Kanter. You all must be missing
Boozer:/.... Kanter is useless one trick pony - will be biggest bust of this
Knight is the 4th best point guard in this draft, it would be one of Utah's
worst draft mistakes ever to take him with the 3 pick. Knight and Burks would be
even dumber, it would make the Jazz worst problem (outside shooting) even more
awful than it already is. BillM: Hayward is already a better
offensive player than AK after 2 years in college and 1 in the NBA and showed
signs at the end of the season of becoming an outstanding defender. He and
Favors are the future of the Jazz.
Knight has an Position Adjusted Win Score of 6+ and that is weak. 7.1 is
average. He also played as a PG with great talent which should help. Last week I
was a strong supporter of Knight. I think he is risky. He should improve with
age but he is not as good as Jimmer or Kemba at this point.Irving,
is 13+, Kemba is 10+ and Jimmer is 9+ but his score last year and earlier this
year before losing Collingsworth and Davies was 12+. Given BYU's RPI, a PAWS of
12 is good. Valanciunas is 15+ in the Euro league at age 18. I
consider that league to be better than the SEC and Big East. Kanter does not
have one since he did not play. Burks is 10+ and Klay is 8+,
Singleton is 7+, Hamilton is 11, Brooks is 9+, Harrelson is 11+, Williams is 12+
(2nd pick) and Leonard is 13+ (top 6 pick).Out of the PGs the Jazz
have worked out Jimmer is a good pick at 12. I think he fits the Jazz better
than Kemba. Burks is likely to be gone at 12.
Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12? Yeah, that'll solve our lack of athleticism...
I'd personally go with Brandon Knight at 3 (if you can't trade up for Williams)
and Thompson or Burks or Singleton at 12.
The Cavs have had Kanter in twice for workouts...seems they believe he will be
available at pic #4. No doubt that KOC really likes Knight, and I am thinking he
may turn out better for the Jazz than Irving anyway - just a hunch. Seems KOC
will take Irving, though, if the Cavs spoil the Wolves hopes and take Williams
#1 and the Wolves deal with the Jazz right after. Most likely, though, that
Irving goes #1 and Williams #2.@LaJazz fan: Like what you said about about
Jonas V/Kanter. I think KOC is seriously considering both players. I think Jonas
V could someday be an excellent NBA center, but either player next to Favors
would make an impressive duo (Jonas has to keep filling out, but he seems like
he might). The mix of Jonas V and Singleton with Favors and keeping Fes as
backup and going for a PG next year (after a Jefferson trade) is intriguing.
Kanter/Burks or Jimmer or Knight/Jonas V or Singleton sounds good to me.
A scenario stuck in the back of my head is this: What if Cavs don't choose
Irving and go with Williams? (They've already had him in for workouts twice
now)Then, Minnesota picks Kanter. They don't need ANOTHER PG.The two best players left are Irving and Knight. The Jazz didn't work out
Irving, do they pick Knight? Or use Irving as a tradeable asset? Or keep him?Probably won't happen, but Williams is definitely more safer than a guy
who was injured all season last year.
Jazz don't need a big. Favors is the same size as Dwight Howard. Look it up on
Draftexpress.com. Just as athletic and same wingspan. Nobody in this draft is
close to him as far as big man potential. Jefferson is a great
Compliment to Favors. Long, skilled offensively. Read the NBAdraft article
about it I agree with them. I say take Knight at #3 and BPA at #12
SF is greatest need and should be a defender. I don't know how Singleton's
personality fits with the team though. Maybe a bit too much hood to like the
Utah folk. I'm dreaming for Leonard to fall to 12.
If we cherrypick AK's best stats, we get about a 16-8-3 with as many combined
blocks and steals as combined turnovers & fouls; 47.5 FG% & 78 FT% on 6
FTA/g; 80 games a season at 33mpg; 1st or 2nd team All-Defense team every year;
and an efficiency rating higher than his usage rate (ballhog rate).All of which is what we can only pray Hayward approaches, tho Gordon is
apparently a much better 3pt shooter than AK.AK was utterly
brilliant for the garbage 03-04 team that he & Sloan somehow dragged to
42-40, no wonder he got that max contract and Sloan got a lifetime pass from the
CJ, don't get me wrong, if we wind up with Kanter & Jimmer it's hardly the
end of the world. Won't know for at least three to five years if that's a
better combo than Knight & Burks/Singleton. Whoever we pick has to fit in
with Favors & Hayward pretty much above all else; whole greater than sum of
the parts.For those comparing the Euros to AK, please look up AK's
detailed stats, inc advanced ones, for his first three and a half seasons. I
just did and it's heartbreaking. We've all forgotten how good he REALLY was;
none of these Euros are in his galaxy.He was phenomenal, and
noticeably improving each season, albeit the team was getting worse. His first
286 games he missed only six. He was absolutely one of the ten best players in
the league before the injuries began in 04-05, albeit his skillset did not fit
Sloan's Sacred System.He was actually pretty good the next season
tho he missed 13 games. And then, ya'll know the rest. What a shame. Keep him
for the right price and use him properly and understand his limitations.
I like Burks at 12 because he has good handles and is a good athlete but he's
3rd or 4th on my list at 12. Who the Jazz take at 3 will determine who the Jazz
take at 12, I hope they take a big at 3, then Jimmer, Singleton, Burks, Harris,
come into play at 12. Hayward and CJ are best suited to play the 2 so drafting a
2,(Burk or Thompson)doesn't make as much sense, unless they are way better than
Singleton, Harris, Hamilton. If Knight is the pick, I would hope for BB, he is a
big, with potential, he brings something we need in defense and rebounding, if
not BB, then Burk, Singleton, Harris, Hamilton.
Jazz Rule: Are you a Ute fan? I am not a BYU fan but Jimmer in no way is slow
footed and unathletic. Scoring anywhere on the court is not an issue. Jimmer
will score as either a point guard or a shooting guard.
@C.J. MilesYeah, Jimmers inability to defend is the only reason not
to draft him."rolls eyes"Can't be that he is
slow-footed, unathletic, won't be able to finish at the rim, is a SG in a PG's
body, and isn't a distributor...Yawn
The opportunity to draft a big is in this year's class. If you look at 2012
mock drafts, there are a lot of guards and wing players and a lot of guys
6'9" or shorter characterized as PF or even centers. With that
in mind, unless the Jazz are totally sold on the AJ/Favors combo, probably best
to draft big with #3 (or trade it for a good vet). My vote is for Jonas V as
Kanter is more of a PF and not a center and has many more questions/concerns
than Jonas. If the JAzz keep #3 and #12, I would like to see
Singleton at #12 as he fills a defensive need (AJ, CJ, Hayward, Sap, etc can all
score). Get a SG or a PG next draft.
@draftdumbieyeah...i'll consider that trade too...unless the bucks
know something that we dont with regards to Bogut's Injury...even though he wont
get back to last 2 years form...he is still a defensive and rebounding
force...#3 + Paul Millsap?...@stanfunkyi also saw it on a
site...im not sure if its hoopsworld...or something...Google NBA rumors...and
@coleman51nope...devin harris isnt better...he is older yes...but
better? i doubt...remember these kids are young...they wont be that good
now...but give them the experience devin harris has...im sure they'll be a whole
lot better...and since we are rebuilding...why not grab the core pieces
now...and let them grow and build chemistry together...we cant win a
championship now or in 2 years anyway...
@CJ Milesthen there was this 38 yr old guy in dallas...i think his
name was Jason Kidd...he played solid defense on Kobe...and contributed in
defending Lebron James...im not sure...i think Dallas won the
championship...But...i do want Jimmer here...because i think...he will learn to
play D...unlike Nash...
Draft dumbie | 4:50 p.m. June 20, 2011 Farmington, UT There's a
report that Milwaukee initiated a call to Minnesota and offered Andrew Bogut and
the #10 pick for the #2 pick and some "filler" to make the salaries
match, but Minnesota didn't take them up on the offer.Name the site
/ source. Otherwise, don't waste time - Milwaukee isn't anywhere close to
giving up on Bogut.
There's a report that Milwaukee initiated a call to Minnesota and offered Andrew
Bogut and the #10 pick for the #2 pick and some "filler" to make the
salaries match, but Minnesota didn't take them up on the offer.I'd
sure like to see the Jazz get in on that action, trading the #3 pick and
"filler" to make the contracts match for the #10 pick and Andrew
Bogut. Even though Bogut is still not entirely healed from his right elbow
injury suffered in April of 2010, he is still a better center than the Jazz
could ever hope to get on the open market or in the draft.
Canter at 3 and Jimmer at 12! Please for the love. No way does the Jazz want or
should take a chance on Klay if you think that was his first issue with drugs or
might be last, you can't take that risk on him. If the Jazz want to gamble that
type of money then please send it to me I could use it.
Kanter at number 3 and either Burks or Thompson at number 12. That would be a
good draft for the Jazz. Devean Harris is better than any point guard in the
draft other than Irving and we can wait till next year to pick up a point guard
that would be better than those available in this years draft. As far as Jimmer,
too many homers that think of him at #12. Likely, he will go later first round
or early second round.
Here is hoping the Jazz make some sort of trade. I'm not sure any of these draft
prospects get me excited as a Jazz fan. Valaciunas is my sleeper pick because
KO wants a true center. Vesely on potential or would that be the second coming
of AK. Is Knight really better a better pick/fit than Harris? Maybe Williams
would do it but he won't be there at 3......
Crossing my fingers for Kanter and Burks/Singleton.
Knight #3, then Burks or Thompson #12.
The Jazz had a point guard named Dwill up until last year. He played no defense
yet was regarded as one of the best point guards in the league. It's possible
that Jimmer plays better defense than Dwill, yet it is the reason not to draft
him. Seems silly. Oh and there is a guy in Phoenix named Nash who
plays no defense. I am sure there are lots of teams that would like that guy.
It'll be one of those two scenarios, and if Burks is gone I think they'll take
Singleton. Thompson may weel be a good pro & fine kid who did something
dumb but I just can't see the Jazz taking a kid with the slightest grey mark by
his name, esp at 12 in a weak draft.
@ Uncle RicoWho is Canter? I don't see that name in the draft
Knight at #3 and Thompson or Burks at 12.
Brandon Knight at #3 and Alec Burks at #12. Book it!Do it Jazz!
Canter and Fredette. Thats my vote.