I love it when people agree with me!!!! Happy Dance
Judging by the "pitty pat" reception for Hatch when he rose to speak
at yesterday's state convention, it's pretty obvious how the delegates feel
When he was first elected and for some time after that, I thought he was doing a
great job. However, over time, I have seen his support for the principles
underlying the Constitution begin to waiver and his voting record shows his
wanderings into socialism. A personal encounter with him about 20 years ago
when I lived in Utah regarding defending our borders opened my eyes that he was
beginning to move away from vigorously defending our nation. Today, the
Invasion continues and our military is not here to defend the homeland. Part of
my disagreement with him was that he did not think the military should be used
to defend our borders and enforce our immigration laws! I guess we only have a
large standing army so we can defend some other countries borders? Sen. Hatch has been there too long and its time for him to go. Thank you for
your service. You have done much good but are drifting and its time to say
The only number that matters in this poll is the number from Primary likely
voters. That's just poll taking 101. Primary voters are going to decide who wins
in the Senate race. The fact of the matter it is too early to say whether this
poll is accurate, no one is really paying attention to either side and won't
until next Spring and Summer. It's anyone's game.
he should of been replaced along time ago
With this attitude, it is time for Hatch to go. "I'm not some little pitty
pat guy. I'm not some little weak person. I'm a strong man who is going to run
on his record, which is a good record." Frankly, Hatch
continues to provide me with assurances on critical issues when I talk to him,
and then votes the opposite way.
What a scary thought for Utah having Mike Lee and Jason Chaffetz as our
Replace the words Senator Orrin Hatch with the word Republicans and it would be
If the alternatived to Hatch is Jason Chaffetz my vote would be for Hatch every
time. I haven't seen much out of Chaffetz except a penchant for making talking
big and embarassing himself.
Senator Hatch: You're a great man and a great senator. Why don't you show how
great a man you really are. Know when it's time to make a graceful exit.
Seniority is important. But, you need to know when it's time to pass the baton.
"...Once voters start paying attention..."They are...Buh-bye.
I always vote for the person - and usually Libertarian, But until I know
who's running....For now, Put me down for "Definetly -
Since 1977 two senators in the other seat. 7 presidents, 6 governors, 4
popes, one Hatch. Utah has plenty of men and women who would make a good
senator. We need a new senator who will take at most three terms.
We "Utah Republicans" are myopic! Regardless of what our opinions are
about Hatch on certain specific issues, he's still a conservative on most issues
if you look at his overall record and he'll still preserve our Utah values. We
stand to lose much more than we'll gain if such a respected Senator is dumped!
Whether we like it or not, we need someone in the Senate who can be
persuasive--yes, even reach across the isle--to get things done. Senator Hatch
has that ability and nobody in this state presently has the influence to do it
Orrin's time as a senator has just about run out. We need to thank him for the
good things he did, not remind him of the bad, and then replace him. Who ever
replaces Senator Hatch will be like a fresh breeze that is a welcome change.
Senority isn't the only reason to support Hatch. He's often pointing in the
right direction. However, lately, he seems to be pointing a little too far to
the new tea party. Come back to reality Senator.
Hatch's "support" of our democratic process is openly revealed in his
plan to get his own supporter elected as delegates. Delegates are elected to
represent their precincts, their neighbors, NOT the candidate. Its one thing to
encourage them to attend their caucus but unless they disclose their intent to
vote for Hatch at convention prior to being elected as delegates, it is a
blatant manipulation of the process.As to the seniority question,
Hatch's get Utah virtually nothing. He has become so entrenched in DC that most
of his actions actually hurt us. On issue after issue, he ls late to the party,
then has to run to find the front of the parade and pretend to lead. Hatch was
great in the Reagan years but has coasted since Clinton was elected.It is actually sad to see him age like this. He made a game effort at
convention but it is clear he has lost at least a step. If he retires, he
becomes a hero. If he loses at convention, he becomes a joke. If he wins
re-election, age will make him an embarassment.Please, Mr. Hatch,
I weould like to see Senator Hatch show me where he has introduced or
co-authored legislation or supported legislation to outlaw any vote on a bill,
which has not been read before the entire Senate. I would like to see what
legistlation or proposal's he has made to change the cornyism prevalent in the
senate. I would like to see his vote or legislation requiring Congress to
follow the same rules his constituents must follow and accept the same medical
plan as his constituents. I would like to see what legislation he has authored
or supported requiring our borders to be sealed to illegals, regardless of
country. I would like to see what legislation he has authored or supported
requiring the USA to be independent of foreign oil producters by drilling more
on our on shores. With our ingenuity and expertise we can become independent.
If Hatch has done none of the above then he has become part of the
problem. Ity shouldn't take 36 years to correct a problem. P.S.
Anyone who can call the late Senator Ted Kennedy one of his good friends, then I
have serious doubts about his ability to make wise choices.
C'mon Huntsman, this is where you need to be.
Orrin is borin, time to retire.
The problem is that if we vote him out, Utah doesn't have the power in
Washington that we would have with him. That is a problem with our political
system that he hasn't tried to fix. I think that we need to get someone fresh in
there and we can live with the consequences. I really think Hatch is out of
touch with the rest of us.
This seniority system is merely a ploy to keep the incumbents in power. Why
should any state wield power over other states because they keep electing the
same person? Look at the power Byrd had because West Virginia kept electing him.
Sure he brought a lot of pork to his state, but at what price to the rest of us?
Do we really power from Washington? RE- Electing Mr. Hatch will bring pork to
Utah? Do we need it?
I think that for so long there was this fear that if we let a seasoned person
go, then we don't have anyone there for our states. Well, I think that most
people are tired of the "good ole boys" and are trying to get new
blood in there. Years ago when I lived in Utah, I was not wanting Hatch
anymore, and yet I would think, well, he is a Sr Senator, so how much land in
Utah now belongs to the feds?
I don't think these polls should deter Senator Hatch. Sure it won't be a cake
walk, but he still has to be considered the favorite going into 2012. I'm
voting for him. He's doing a great job.
How about replacing Hatch with Huntsman?Much better than Chaffetz.
Please,,, anybody but Jim Matheson! The last thing we need is to promote a
liberal congressman to Senator.
Hatch continues to have my vote. We definetly need his power on committees.It is fine to say that we should have term limits, but until there are
term limits I want the man with power and experience representing my state.
Dropping Hatch would be a classic example of throwing the baby out with the bath
water. Do you the liberals in Congress need to go? Yes. Do we need to oust
everyone regardless of whether or not they have helped or hurt the situation? Of
course not. People should remember that even the best politicians can't score
victories when they are on the minority side of the aisle.
I have some pretty good reasons for not liking or supporting Hatch. The funny
thing is, the few things I like about him are the ones that apparently drive the
tea party crazy. I wish Hatch would be a real hero of the people and go for the
majority of the Republican Party even in this state that is much more moderate
rather than trying to pander to the most extreme activists making all the noise
and controlling the caucuses and conventions (and legislature) on the extreme
right. The problem is it is hard to stir up moderates to get involved like the
more partisan interests. But if an inter-party fight helps Matheson become our
new Senator to restore a little political balance in this state's delegation,
all the better. Matheson might as well go for it as the state legislature will
attempt to jerrymander him out of his chance for re-election to Congress.
Everything has it's time...the people have spoken
I can't see removing him right now. I would like to see him go another term and
then retire. Heck, maybe if he can even just get through another two as the
Chairman, then he could turn it over to someone else like Huntsman. Where has all the sensibility in this party gone?
We finally have the opportunity to have a finance committee chairman who can
realistically push thru a balanced budget amendment and we want to give that up?
Why? We have the opportunity to have a finance committee chairman
who can defund ObamaCare and we want to give that up? Why?We have a
Congressman who finally was made a sub committee chairman in the House and we
want to give that up? Why?If we replace Hatch with anyone then
Olympia Snowe will become chair of the Finance Committee--she is the one who let
ObamaCare out of committee in the Senate and put it up for a vote on the Senate
floor! RINO Snowe cannot be counted on for any vote in the Senate and we want
to give her the power to set the agenda. Right, that is an excellent idea--NOT!
The way this poll looks, especially the first slide, it appears that this is a
good poll for Hatch and not so good for Chaffetz. Never underestimate the power
of a decent incumbant. The same forces that got rid of Bennett are not in play
with Hatch. His age is more of an issue with me. We should be able to find a
better candidate than Chaffetz. If it comes down to Hatch and Jason, I'll vote
Hatch. Chaffetz only seems to want to get his face on TV. Hatch as done an
overall good job over the years and still gets high marks for his voting from
all the conservative vote counters.
We need to keep Senator Hatch. I know people don't like to hear it, but
sometimes seniority is all us smaller western states have at a fighting chance
back in DC.
There was a comment posted earlier on this thread, saying that Senator Hatch's
reelection efforts would amount to a "blatant manipulation of the
process." So, in the interest of being consistent, would it be fair to
describe the movement that unseated former Senator Bennett also as a
"blatant manipulation of the process." Didn't they game the system by
disproportionately turning their people out?Furthermore, folks who
plan on opposing Senator Hatch because of their gripes with the system are
approaching this election from a normative standpoint. If you want to change the
system, that's fine. But, why do it at the cost of disadvantaging Utah in
Washington? Do you think Secretary Salazar would have rescinded the "Wild
Lands" Policy without Senator Hatch there to put pressure on him? Do you
think Utah would still have Hill AFB without Senator Hatch fighting to keep it?
You're better off trying to change the system through other avenues. Refusing to
renominate Senator Hatch will only allow the Obama Administration to further
ramrod this state.
I worked hard as a volunteer as a BYU student for Orrin in 1976. I was a strong
supporter for a long time, but I've gradually become lukewarm. Power and the
proximity to power corrupts. Even the best of people after 36 years in DC are
seduced by the city. Being part of the DC culture for that long causes elected
officials to fear the opinion of their colleagues more than the opinion of their
constituents. Setting personalities, ideology, and seniority aside, it is
simply time for Orrin to go. If Orrin is reelected next year, he will serve for
42 years until he is 84. That is simply too long.
@Nick: You hit the nail on the head.I have no doubt that at his core
Hatch is a great man. But no person should be in a position of power for that
I'm sick and tired of hearing that Senator Hatch somehow doesn't follow the
constitution. All I hear is constitution this and constitution that...freedom
this, freedom that. STOP STEALING GLEN BECKS SOUND BITES EVERYONE! What does any
of that even mean anyway!?!? Senator Hatch has fought for Utah and for
conservative rights for the last 34 years. Is it true that he's voted for a few
bills that I haven't liked. Yes. And so will Senator Lee or anyone else we
replace Hatch with if we give them enough time. Senator Hatch is about to become
Chairman of the Finance Committee. HELLO EVERYONE..WAKE UP! Get off your high
horses and realize that taking Hatch out of the game at this point will have
disastrous consequences, not only for Utah but for this country. Oh..and one
more thing -Someone exclaimed over the pulpit at the State Convention that we
(Utah) are making a stand and taking our country back. LOL. Utah will not be
taking anything back with only 2 years of experience and seniority. Keep Hatch
How does Utah politics become even more of a laughing stock?Mike Lee
and Jason Chaffetz as your Senators!It's that simple.This is where Hunstman should be getting his foot in the national political
We can all see how much Sen Lee has done for Utah. Please anybody but Jason C.
I am not a fan of the GOP but I would vote for Orrin just to keep Jason out.
People need to realize how much a Sr Senator like OH can do for Utah and how
many years it takes to get that Seniority. Lee is still looking for his office
and will do little if anything but be a rubber stamp.Jason!!! Please no,
anybody but him.
I hate to lost Hatch's seniority and experience too. However, I firmly believe
that the ONLY way for a country to continue to progress is to refresh it's
leadership. That's why I believe there should be term limits for congressional
members. I think the term for House Reps should be extended to 4 years and
limited to 3 terms and Senators should be held to 2 terms. Frankly, I don't
believe the Supreme Court should be a lifetime appointment either. I think by
limiting how long any one congressional member can be in office, it would
motivate some of them to work harder, and foster more cooperation. If all these
congresspeople knew they were on a time limit, they'd have to work together to
get their bills passed and wouldn't waste so much time playing politics. You've served well Senator Hatch, but it's time for some fresh eyes!
Perhaps it is time for Orrin to go. But I do know. The voters better not put the
Dem in to replace him because America does not need anymore leftist Dems to
support the socialist horror of the Obama regime. Chaf would be far better for
Utah and America. No Dem added to the Reid majority will aid America either
domestically or internationally as to our economy, jobs, CARE, energy policies,
illegals, Mexican cartels, Iran or Islamofascism. Dems keep dissing our American
heritage, history and values and we have had too much of that from them for
decades and I am 72 so I remember all of these people. Though I am a retired
polysci teacher and pastor, I am not in my cups nor am I a blank slate.
Americans just have to remember what this 2.9 yrs. has already been about to see
why Bama must go and the Pub Senate candidate must win.
To Senator Hatch: Thank you for your service. Now is the time to gracefully
exit. Why can't you see that?
Re: williary | 9:45 a.m. June 21, 2011 "How does Utah politics become
even more of a laughing stock?"States like California, New York
and New Jersey are too busy trying to find ways to finance the interest on their
growing state deficits to spend much time laughing about Utah and our balanced
budget.Personally I laugh every time I hear about how California
wanted to borrow against future lottery revenue earnings to pay yesterday's
bills. They have no idea how they'll pay tomorrow's bills.The joke
isn't on Utah.
Not one person they've listed is worthy to be our senator. Looks like I may be
forced to run.
Let's be real and not too emotional.1. Yes, Orrin Hatch has been in too
long.but...2. If the Republicans win the Senate, and right now that
is likely, then dismantling the regulations and stifling Obamanomics and
Obamacare is their most important task.3. All dismantling of Obamacare
will start in the Senate Finance Committee.4. If Jason Chaffetz were to
defeat Hatch, Olympia Snow would be the Chair of that committee... and she's the
most liberal member of the Republican Party. 5. If Hatch wins he will be
the Chair.Elections are always about picking your poisons. For the
evangelicals they are going to have to decide if their hatred for Mormons
(Romney) is greater than their hatred of socialism/Obamanomics.For
Utahns it will be do you want to dismantle Obama's mess with Hatch at the helm
or Olympia Snowe?I wish Orrin would win, sit on the committee long
enough to trash Obamacare, etc., then resign and let someone else continue.
I have been out of the country on family vacation now for about a month with
little connectivity to the internet, and I can't even tell you how refreshing it
was to be away from all the angry speak found in American politics. It amazes me to no end that people have already decided who they will vote
against without know who their replacement vote would be for. How very sad is
Orrin Hatch blocked me from his Twitter account after I disagreed with him on
his voting record. Then the GOP say that "the people" all agree with
them. They must think that because they block everyone who doesn't agree with
Orrin Hatch was elected to office in 1973 the same year that the Department of
Energy was created to lessen our dependence on foreign oil.In 1973 30% of
our oil consuption was foreign oil.Today 70% of our oil consumption is
foreign oil. The budget for the Department of Energy is 350 billion dollars with
over 65,00 employees and 100,000 contract workers.I wonder what Orrin has
to say about his efforts to to eliminate this useless agency? or what about
doing away the IRS? or what about Foreign Aid? Farm subsidies? Tort reform?
congressional and senate term limits? Etc., Etc., Etc.......???
If the poll included all Utah voters then 25% were probably democrats, thus for
republicans about 59 % think Hatch should stay Hey That is the percentage that
thought so in the convention. The media strikes again with incorrect analysis