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  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 20, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    A lot of rumors going around the NBA...Cavs gunning for Gay...does this mean they'll pick Irving?...they are also high on Jonas V...Kings owners love fredette...but coaches dont...and it seems coaches won the debate...does this mean...we would get fredette at 12?...i think wolves and bucks are gunning for a trade...involving Bogut...im not sure if it involves Love...but i think the number 2 pick is included...Andre Igoudala to Clippers for Kaman...its going to be a very active draft night....hope we get some action....

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    June 20, 2011 2:19 a.m.

    Those who think Jimmer will turn out to be another Adam Morrison are blinded by the light reflected by his skin. Jimmer is extremely quick, willing to play any role, has a killer crossover, can split the double team, loves to drive into traffic and score in the paint, has ungodly NBA range, has a great attitude, is an excellent passer, as good a dribbler as any soon-to-be rookie, and has a step-back move that even the long, quick defenders can't deal with. Morrison was a good hustler and a pretty fair shooter who had the green light in college. He probably would play better in the NBA if it weren't for his diabetes. My prediction: Jimmer will be about like Jason Terry and possibly better. I would not doubt Jimmer. The kid is a competitor and a winner.

  • larri3 Farmington, UT
    June 20, 2011 1:56 a.m.

    The Jazz are always open to trades. Everybody knows that. So for Ford to say the Jazz are open to trades, even if he names names, that's nothing new. I'm hoping the Jazz trade their No. 3 pick for an established big man who can clog the middle, and then they trade up to get Fredette, who is probably the No. 1 game changer in this draft. When O'Connor was asked whether he had Favors as the No. 3 player in last year's draft, he said, "Higher than that," and he smiled. So I think the Jazz had Favors as No. 1 all along. O'Connor was booed last year for when he picked the steal of the draft at No. 9, a guy who went on to become Utah's best three-point shooter last year, a fine defender and an overall excellent player who looks to be a solid contributor for years to come. I'm hoping O'Connor gets booed again for picking Jimmer because that kid is something special, and I don't want to have to pay for the NBA package on cable to watch him.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    June 19, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    Trade out. Please don't trade down.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 19, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Winglish... lol so some homecooking by turkish newspaper? All official stats are available at FIBA web site.

  • Brettski2024 Concord, CA
    June 19, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    I don't remember all this hoopla over Bogut or Miller when they were going to be drafted. Mark it down, Jimmer won't be half as good as Andre Miller. Ugh. I can't wait till this is all over and Jimmer turns out to be the next Adam Morrison.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    June 19, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    I got the stats from a Turk newscast. Not "pumping" anything. Might have been a different game, eh?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 19, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    @ MidMajor4ever,

    If Knight were to shoot from the exact same places as often as Jimmer did, his shooting percentage would have been way less. Knight does NOT have Jimmer's range.

    If Jimmer had been on a team with talented scorers like Knight, he would have averaged 6-7 assists (high for college) and not needed to shoot as much.

    So, your comparison doesn't make much sense.

    BTW, shouldn't you change your handle now that your Utes are a BCS team?

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    June 19, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    if we keep our picks our best hopes are jonas & jimmer - but jimmer will not be there @ 12n- trades need to happen

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 19, 2011 12:03 a.m.

    Winglish I just checked stats, why you trying to pump Kanters stats? He scored 32 pts and grabbed 25reb vs Serbia... not 40/27 as you claim. And his team lost. At the end of the day in that tourney Jonas averaged more points then him, was shooting better FG, FT and had more blks and that was when he was smaller then him. Only better stat was Kanters better rebounding average. Case closed.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    Winglish: why you ignoring the fact that at that time Kanter's biological age and that he was bigger and heavier then any his european competition. JV when he played vs him in those game 2 years ago for 5-6 place was 6'9, 215lbs kid. Put them against each other now we would see different game. It is funny you mentioned Kanters 4 blks in 36 min but ignored JV's 4 blk in 26 min in that game as well.
    And it was not only game they played vs each other in that tourney... in groupe stage where LT won game JV scored 20 pts in 28 min to Kanters 22pts in 33min
    One monster game vs Serbia - nice, Jonas in same tourney same year had game vs France with 37pts, 19reb and 4blk... ignored that as well?
    Plus stats from Euro U18 do not translate to NBA success that easily... Koufos posted by far the best stats in history of that tourney averaging 25pts/13reb and 3.5 blk... where he is now? I doubt Kanter will have better career then him and hope he will be passed by Jazz.

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    June 18, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    WhatsInItForMe,

    What would Jimmer's numbers look like had he played for Kentucky? How would Knight's numbers look if he played for Dave Rose and was allowed 21 shots from anywhere on the court he liked? Kentucky gets the cream of the crop athletes year after year. Trust me, Knight will be drafted higher than Jimmer and will have a more successful career in the NBA.

    As a long time season ticket holder, I hope the Jazz make a deal or two with their picks and get a proven NBA talent. This is a weak draft and after the first five or six players, the remaining draft looks like long shots or role players.

    If we hold onto our picks, I hope we get Knight with the 3rd pick and Thompson with the 12 pick.

    Good luck to Jimmer, I believe he will be a good off the bench scorer like House. He is a great young man and I wish him the best.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    June 18, 2011 11:16 p.m.

    European Championships semi-final game against Serbia, one of Europe's best teams, Kanter's line = 40 points, 27 rebounds.

    Head-to-head matchup with Jonas Valanciunas, each guarding the other?
    Kanter= 35 points, 19 rebounds, 4 blocks
    JV= 14 points, 5 rebounds

    My gut feeling? Big man talk is irrelevant. The Jazz will take Knight #3 and one of the six SF's they're bringing in tomorrow.

    Ryan Feldman reports that the Jazz are working hard to trade down to the 4,5,6 range.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 18, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    Jimmer's APGs were consistent during his starter years (Soph=4.1, Junior=4.7, Senior=4.3); and, he got more assists his Junior year (4.7/game) because he didn't need to be the primary scorer as much as his Senior year.

    Saying he can't assist in the pros, and that Knight, et al, would assist better is ludicrous, because they didn't have any better assist stats, and they were on teams that had better overall shooters than BYU did, especially in Jimmer's Senior year. So, they should have had many more assists than Jimmer's average, if they're supposed to be better at it.

    Jazz coach Tyrone Corbin said about Jimmer (in SI), "He's a point guard. His passing is underrated and people will see that when he gets to the next level and doesn't have to carry his team."

    Pretty much what I've been saying all along.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    All in all if Sloan would still be here he would chose JV over Kanter no doubt. Hard working hustling kid not afraid of dirty work -typical Sloan type guy. He is gym rat who will only get better. 7ft. 245lbs now with frame to put 20-25 lbs easily in next couple years and still growing. Yes, he will not help Jazz this year a lot and most he could hope would be about 12-15 min a game but he would be instant crowd favorite aka Ewans due to his crazy hustle and effort. And in 2 years imagine 7'1, 265lbs center next to Favors. Best front line in the West hands down.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 10:19 p.m.

    Winglish who are you kidding? this video breakdown is from Stoneridge Prep games spanning from November 2009 to January 2010. Very disappointing no show on defense, you can't fake it. At least JV gives 200% effort every time he steps on the court.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 18, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Here are the differences I see between Knight and Jimmer:

    - Jimmer has greater range than Knight--MUCH greater.

    - Knight is quicker than Jimmer, but Jimmer's cross-over nullifies that supposed advantage. Ask Kemba.

    - Jimmer doesn't mind contact inside (and can finish with contact), while Knight likes to avoid it (slighter build, so contact can throw off his shots).

    - Jimmer is more experienced than Knight. You can't discount experience and maturity.

    - Jimmer is more likely to average more assists than Knight, as I believe Knight is just another Harris/Iverson type, due to his quickness. Jimmer showed in college he can assist well, especially when his teammates can hit shots.

    I see that as 4.5 to 0.5 in favor of Jimmer.

    Any disagreements? Any other comparison points?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 18, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    Jonas V. shoots 90% as a center? And the Jazz don't want him? Huh?

    You KNOW centers that try to score and rebound get fouled a lot. What an asset! I'd take him over Kanter for that reason alone.

    If Jonas has ANY talent in defense or offense (or both), he shouldn't be passed up.

    Maybe KOC is thinking this, but making sure we're all thinking otherwise so he can get him, but at 12th!

    That way he can be sure to get Jimmer (at 3rd). Jimmer won't be there at 12. Jimmer will have a more immediate and longer lasting impact for the Jazz than Knight.

    I posted before that I think trades are going to happen that'll change the Jazz draft order so that they can get who they want.

    My vote is now for a Jimmer/Jonas package. Think about it: 90%+ foul shooting from both your C and PG; unstoppable offense in Jimmer; a true center in Jonas; dependable trey shooting from Jimmer; penatrating PG who knows how to get to the foul line; PG that knows how to pass (ask Kemba).

    These are all things the Jazz need, and perhaps haven't had before.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    There are pros and cons to both Kanter and Jonas, KOC and staff will do their homework, I just hope they choose one of them and not Knight. It's not that I hate Knight , I just want us to get a big with the #3 pick. There are a lot more good possibilities at 12 if we go big at 3.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 18, 2011 9:35 p.m.

    No matter who the Jazz draft this year, including their first rounder next year, with who they have currently on the team (and could bring back, like Watson and AK), they won't be a contender any time soon. Too much youth already on board to develop (Favors, Hayward, and Evans).

    In other words, the Jazz are in a REBUILDING MODE.

    Therefore, more rookies from this year's draft won't be a negative, as some commenters are saying.

    @ Vince,

    All those players need a distributing PG. The Jazz don't yet have one. Jimmer could fit that bill. More so than Knight or Harris.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    Please, the Youtube breakdown on Kanter is as a 15-year-old playing on a high school varsity team.

    The knock on Kosta was always his reluctance to get physical. He remains afraid of contact...typical European softy.

    Both Valanciunas and Kanter are physical. Neither is afraid to mix it up. Valanciunas is more hustle, but in his own words today when asked about who he compares himself to in the NBA, "Currently my role on the court is limited due to lack of physical strength."
    Kanter has an NBA skill right now- rebounding. He can step in today and average 10 boards per game. Think Paul Millsap fetish for boards, but in a 6'11" body...Again, he's only 19 years old so of course he'll need development.

  • pate123 willard, ut
    June 18, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    i don't think you can have the #3 pick, two more rookies to go along with two sophmores and expect to be a fun productive team anytime soon!

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    Winglish I suggest you enter "Enes Kanter defensive breakdown" on Youtube.... will make you miss Boozer.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 8:29 p.m.

    Winglish: Forget Nike summit game, it is show off exhibition game with no value at all. Nobody is playing for points, standings,playoffs or medals there. Light type run and gun game ( ala All Star game ) where nobody plays team basketball or defense. Rubish like in evaluations of draft prospect.
    U18 Europchampionship is diferent but look what Kosta Koufos averaged here: 25pts, 13reb, 3.5 blk. Look what Jonas Valanciunas averaged here: 19.8pts, 14reb, 2.7 blk. Kanter at that time was way bigger then everybody there - biological age of south europeans needs to be taken in consideration, they mature fast, stop growing at age of 16-17 and dominate vs northern europeans at that age.... later they fade when faced vs same size players - look what happened to Kosta.
    Stats from Euroleague are from 2008/2009 season so he was 17 years at that time - not much difference from Jonas at 18 years from last season when he averaged 7.8 pts and 5.4 reb while shooting 72%FG and 85% FT in the same league and had best overall stats per 40 min basis.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    June 18, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    Man, reading these comments just cements why I call 15 to 40 year olds the "Now" & "Instant gratification" generation. Thank god none of you are the Jazz decision makers. It will not surprise me if A.K., Memo, don't play for the Jazz this year and contribute big time! Now put Favors, Milsap, Hayward, Jefferson, Harris, Fess and Evans with this group along with a free agent and a trade and it's my belief that we are very serious contenders again. How many years do all of you want to wait on rookies? Get serious fans, and quit the fantasy crap.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    June 18, 2011 7:20 p.m.

    Calgary, you keep throwing up outdated 2008 statistics about Enes Kaner from his 4 appearances as a 16-year-old in a professional league. You name me the last kid who scored even a single point in the NBA at sixteen years of age and you might have some credibility.

    Now for the most recent statistics available:
    2009 European Championships: Nine games, 18.6 ppg, 16.8 rpg, 1.8 bpg. FG 54%, FT 70%
    That's right. Kanter averaged a double-double against the best the world has to offer at seventeen years of age. Now what?

    At the 2010 Nike Hoop Summit, Kanter scored 34 points and grabbed 13 rebounds in only 24 minutes of play for the World Select Team in a 101-97 USA win. This guy can play and he will be big time. He's also very, very young. He would have only been a freshman in college and at 6'11", 260 lbs. Kanter is still growing.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 18, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    If Jimmer goes to Phoenix at #13 and looks like a Nash Replacement in the next two years.... Connor's gets walking papers towards the end of the 12-13 season.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    Calcary: I like Jonas, I'm not against picking him, I'm basing my thoughts that he needs more weight by what I see in his lastest game films. Jonas would give us the more ideal center and I love his motor, and his attitude. I have vacilated some (in my mind) between Kanter vs Jonas, a week or two ago I watched some new Jonas film and made the comment on Lockes site that Jonas may be the best pick at 3. He is the safest pick. The fact he shoots 90% from the line makes me think he can develop a 18 to 20 foot jumper to add to his game. His interview on DX makes me worry he may struggle with communications but thats not a big problem. If we(Jazz)can get Jonas and Jimmer I'd be tickled.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Captain L: How much weight decent defensive center needs? Jonas at 245lbs and 7ft ( recent measurements in Italy Eurocamp) is already heavier then T.Chandler, Biedrins, Noah, Camby just to name a few. Kid just turned 19 month ago, he will easily reach 260-265 lbs by the time he is 23-25 years.
    I agree that Kanter may turn out into a good post up oriented player but he doesn't fill Jazz needs as well as Jonas - I see Kanter at best as Scola type verstile scorer/rebounder but not much impact on defense. And Jazz can wait 2-3 years for Jonas to grow and mature, we are not competing for championship next year or in 2012-2013 season.
    All in all IMHO Jonas and Fredette would be best realistic combo from this draft baring any trades.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    June 18, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Question-

    Is there anyone who would not trade the #3 pick and Okur's $11M expiring contract for Andre Iguadola and his 3 yr $12M/yr contract and the Sixer's #16 pick?

    I would give up Kanter or Knight in a heartbeat for this. A guy like Andre I. would be #1 or #2 in this draft. I have to admit that Jonas V's potential makes it a harder choice as far as he is concerned.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    June 18, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Williams may turn into something.
    Jazz need to shovel out the coop, time to let go of Elson, Price, Fes, AK, CJ (somebody inadvertantly called him a shooter) and Bell. Incidentally trading for proven veterans did not work with the Bell experiment.

    Try out Jimmer he is hands down a better shooter than Korver plus he can pass and dribble and is uncanny at getting to the line. He will be a bargain for a few years yet.

    The Jazz need to make changes in order to be better, KOC has his work cut out for him and it is unlikely he will be able to make the changes he needs to this season.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    amgolfer: Calm down. It's not a matter of Kanter being a true 5, it's a matter of upgrading our present front court, and Kanter would do that, especially in 3 yrs, Just because you don't like Calipari doesn't make him uncredable, I would agree if he were comparing Kanter to other players but my point was he would take Kanter over Knight. I'm not that high on Knight (safe but not great). Calipari rated Kanter higher than Knight. Just because Kanter wants to play 4 doesn't mean he won't play alot of 5, he loves to bang and is good in the low post. Kanter vs Jonas, Kanter is much more skilled, Jonas is probalbly a safer pick, but he will take longer to contribute, Jonas has a good motor, taller, longer, more defensive minded,(needs more weight), limited offensive skills, not nba ready yet.
    If Vesely could shoot, he may be the best pick, KOC and staff spent a lot of time in Europe, I'd be surprised if they didn't pick a big from there.
    Jimmer would fill the need for outside shooting and a player who can put the ball on the floor and create.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    Calgary: I did look up Big Al's combine numbers and there is a difference in Al and Kanter, Kanter is much more agile, his lane agility time was 11.3 compared to Al's 13.09, significant difference, speed Kanter only slightly faster, strength Kanter was much stronger, 14 benches to 3 for big Al, Vert. Kanter 2.5 in higher, Big Al was 1 in. greater wingspan, .5 in better reach, Kanter 1.5 in. taller, wingspan, reach, height don't have anything to do with athleticism. Kanter moves better than Big Al, bottom line. That being said, I wouldn't care to much whether the Jazz took Kanter or Jonas , both in 3 yrs would be an upgrade (IMO)to our front court.

  • amgolfer Malibu, CA
    June 18, 2011 3:34 p.m.

    Please, please stop with the "EK's amazing show at the Nike Hoops summit" nonsense..One game people? I believe someone already stated the obvious regarding this one game--it isn't that competitive people/a glorified All-star game. Just stop with the rhetoric. I could also care less what Coach C. is saying about him (Enes)--not credible--could be nothing more than a marketing ploy. Bottom line--we don't have a TRUE #5 and we need this. Kanter is a #4 (mentioned by himself many times) and not a true #5. If this "V" kid has it then we need to look at him. We already have three PF in Favors, AJ and Sap. Why on earth would we need another #4??? Help me understand this? In two years Favors and/or Kanter will just want out of UT-not smart. Oh, Big AL is going to never be a true #5--EVER.

    Get a true Center who can D it up and be a dominant presence in the middle and a proven "sharp" shooter to spread the offense. In a perfect world someone who can be a true PG, play D and shoot from beyond.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    June 18, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Unless KOC gets a deal on the table that blows his socks off, why on earth would you trade Milsap? Milsap may not be the best option as a starter, but we sure won a lot of games with him coming off the bench. I love Milsap, he is a work horse and a rebounding /scoring threat.

    Please don't trade Milsap, unless we are getting a super-star in return!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    Calgary: I agree Kanter could be a big risk, but he could also be a big reward, I love his skill set, on the other hand I like Jonas V. he has a better motor from what I've seen and he has a great attitude. He would probably need to stay over in Europe for a yr. I would be happy if they picked Jonas. KOC and staff spent alot of time over in Europe and I think it must have been for a reason. I could easily see the #3 pick be Jonas or Vesely. Jonas is the safest pick. He really needs help with his English , hope that won't cause communication problems for him.
    Jimmer or Singleton at 12, maybe BB, if they took Knight.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Captain L...He is not better athlete then Big AL. Check their combine results. AL has better maximum reach, longer wingspan and better no step vertical. Plus Al is 20 lbs heavier. Kanter is huge huge risk due to the fact that only game to evaluate is Nike Hoops summit which is not a competitive game and more like all-star show... I would not put any value in that. Kanter played total of 4 games in Euroleague where he was non factor with 2 pts and 1.5 reb. average. That tells me more then Nike Hoop Summit game.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Calgary, Kanter showed no effort in some High School games, he was 17 and didn't always put forth the effort he should have but that doesn't mean he can't or won't. His coach Calapari says he would take Kanter #1, some may say that is because he was his coach but the was also the coach of Knight, why would he say Kanter is the best player in the draft when he could say Knight is, he showed who he thought was the best by saying Kanter would be his #1 pick. Plus he showed his potential against the top US players at the Nike Hoops Summit and he dominated against players like Sulinger, PJones, TJones, & Barnes, 34 pts 13 boards in 22 minutes. Kanter is a better athlete than Big Al, he is bigger, 6'11, Big Al is an unathletic 6'10.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    I just do not see what Kanter brings to the table over Favors or Jefferson, just doesn't make sense. Plus he plays with no effort on defense - why we would need another copy of Boozer? Valanciunas on the other hand would be great.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    June 18, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    Release Elson and Price, sign Watson for 1 yr @ max 2-3mil, A.K. for no more than 5mil, Fess for no more than 2mil, develop Favors, Hayward, and Evans to go with Jefferson, Milsap and Memo. Trade Bell & Miles W/pks for wing players(incl a shooter). Trade #12 for a 2nd rounder or two. If @ feb trade deadline anyone is not cutting it, get them gone. This team has "vast" potential without much help besides some minor tweaking, so no overhaul is needed Kevin! Just stay away from this draft and more rookies, we have 3 now and this draft is very, very, very weak from top to bottom, no one in it is going to help at all, and at best it would take 3 years. We don't need that!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    JazzNation: I agree, Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12, Coach Gordie Cheaza agrees too, he said Kanter and Jimmer or Singleton. If the Jazz take Knight at 3, I hope they can get Singleton or BB at 12.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    June 18, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Sorry, I meant #3 not #2. I mis-typed.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    June 18, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    Valanciunas has more known aspects than Kanter. Both have great upside, but the former has more known qualities and playing ability. At 7' and 245#s (up about 10 from last year), he would be a big help in the middle. Has some known scoring ability. We don't know about Kanter. Both appear to have heart and desire. As Layden said year ago, "you can't teach height". Both would be a bit of a gamble, but I feel better about V over K. The Jazz have a bigger problem than who to draft at the 2. If they have a chance to get Jimmer with their #12, either having an opportunity to trade their #12 up, or Jimmer falls to #12 and they do not draft him, I think the Jazz will be in a big world of hurt. That is especially so if he becomes an NBA star. I see him being a John Stockton, but with better offense. He appears to have a "John Stockton" like body, and the moves of John on offense. The Jazz will have to live down with their fans if he becomes a star and they had a chance but didn't draft him.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    June 18, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Irving, Knight, or Walker...

    D-Will 2.

    Kanter...

    Name the last big the Jazz drafted that lived up to the draft hype.

    Euros...

    See Fesenko.

    Consider:

    Outside of the big 2, the draft has been a crap shoot for the Jazz.

    Jazz player development has been suspect.

    Weak Draft 2012.

    Prediction:

    Like a moth drawn to the flame, Jazz will take Knight @3.

    Package #12.

    And see Jimmer become a solid player for a future NBA Championship team.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    June 18, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    The article asked the question "Should the Jazz draft Jimmer to appease the locals"? I think Jimmer satisfies a major need for this team, and I don't care what school he came from. Jimmer's body is used to playing in this climate and elevation. Yes he does have an established fan base here, but put all of that aside, and look at his credentials. Jimmer will do what is asked of him. If the Jazz want him to be a pass first PG, I think he will have no problem doing that.

    It is a totally different dynamic in terms of building through this draft based on the two obvious scenarios: Kanter-3 Jimmer-12 or Knight-3 Singleton-12.

    I see the conflict of interest with both worse case and best case scenarios, and I think that KOC has some very tough decisions to make in the next week or so.

    I think this Jazz team will be better no matter what, as long as we get some help on the perimeter.

    Lets go Jazz!

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    @Winglish and what games you saw to judge that about Kanter? He had not played organized club basketball for last year and 4 games in Euroleague he sucked averaging 2pts and 1.5 reb. Did you see how he gives no effort on defense and even smaller kids score on him?? I doubt you can say that about Horford. At best and that is BIG IF Kanter is poors man Jefferson on offense and Boozer on defense. Why would Jazz need him???

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    June 18, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    Trade all the picks for established players where you know what you are getting. i have to agree with the old timer in one respect.....this draft stinks and these guys that we are picking at 3 and 12 would normally be #10 and number #20 picks.

    There is not one of these guys that will be difference makers for years to come.

    Brandon Knight is not a starting PG next year and if they are trading Harris then that means Earl Watson is our starter?

    Kanter? This guy is a ghost. Go to draft express and read. There is alot of "potential" upside and alot of known downside. Givony called him lazy and uninterested in anything related to defense. That is all I need to know.

    If this team loses AK, Millsap, or both heaven forbid then this team is totally devoid of defense and the last thing we need is another big that can't defend. We already have one of the worst big man defenders in the league with Jefferson. He blocks a few shots sure but he has horrible rotations and does not block out on rebounds worth squat.

    Trade and get some known veterans.

  • Calgary Calgary, AB
    June 18, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    Ford just reported that Valanciunas measured in Trevizo Eurocamp at 7ft, 245lbs. Kid is still growing, that is taller and heavier then year ago by 2 inches and 15lbs. Great motor, big heart, great hands. Very humble kid, just listen to his interview on draftexpress, all he talks about how he needs to practice and hard work, and no matter what team drafts him - would be Sloan's favorite if he still coached. Not surprisingly all Euroscouts agree that he is hands down best center in a draft and competition is not even close. Jazz should go with him at 3 and get Jimmer or Singleton at 12.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    June 18, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    Watch video of Brandon Knight and you'll see a less muscular Andre Miller with a 3 point shot. Knight's body movements and moves around the basket mirror Andre's moves. They've got very similar games. Both took their team to the title game and came up short. Both are solid, solid people.

    So, which would you take at #3? Al Horford or Andre Miller? That's essentially the choice, assuming Kanter and Knight stay free from injuries and continue to develop.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 18, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    Write this in stone. The Jazz will not take Jimmer under any circumstances no matter how good he might be. It has nothing to do with Jimmer and everything to do with who the Jazz believe they are and political correctness.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    Kanter's nickname is "The Bull from Istanbul". He plays strong and physical basketball, the exact opposite of Koufos. That comparison is ridiculous.

    Kanter's game is back-to-the-basket, 15 feet and in. He is a rebounding machine who uses his body to get what he wants. He's almost exactly the same size as Karl Malone and he's chiseled and in shape like a young Karl. Enes Kanter's body movements and style of play look just like Al Horford.

  • LKA Tremonton, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    I can't wait for a week when it is all said and done. Let the Jazz staff handle the draft. It is no like the Fans have a say or a vote.. By this time next week you will have to learn to live with it anyway..

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Cool Hand Luke: BB isn't anything like Evans , Evans can't gain weight, he is just one of those kids that can't gain weight, that is why in his exit interview he was to work on his game so he can play the 3.
    BB is 245 lbs, chiseled, longer, tough and able to play in the paint, Evans can't, he is too thin.
    BB would give us something we haven't had in years and that is a presence in the paint that would change the game. The fact he doesn't have much of an offense isn't a big thing. Eaton couldn't score, Tag couldn't score but we had our best teams with them in the middle. BB will score 10 t 12 pts a game just on hustle points.
    My preference is Kanter and Jimmer but BB at 12 would be good. Jonathon Givony (draft express) & the scout (nba scout on LockedonJazz) both think BB has as good a chance as anyone to be an all star out of this draft.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    Old timer: From one old timer to an other: There are several ways of trying to rebuild or reload, I think KOC and the Jazz are trying to follow the OKC method, gain valuable assets thru the draft, develop them and then use them as trade chips. It makes sense, Boston did it. That is how they got Ray Allen and Garnett. If all these young playes develop you have options, you can keep them or trade them. Trying to get players via trade or FA to Utah isn't the best way, many players don't think they would like Utah, and so they don't want to approve a trade or sign as a free agent. Building thru the draft is smart, especially if you have several high picks, which we do this yr and next.

  • Starbelly Sneech Fielding, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    This is a weak draft. So any trade should be draft pick for a proven player, not the other way around. For example, Millsap is a good but not great power forward and he is probably better than any player in this draft. By the time any of the current draft develop into a decent player they might be available as a free agent.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    June 18, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    I have to be honest. Even if the Jazz end up with a decent team this year, the current cast just doesn't excite me. Seriously, who is really worth watching? The only real intrigue for me would be seeing how Fredette fares as a productive player. Could he wind up a bust? Maybe. But so could anyone other selection. I must admit, if the Jazz don't draft him, I will probably not spend too much time following the Jazz this year. Sorry, but that's how I feel. Last year, to me was excruciatingly boring.

    "I gotta fever, and the only prescription is... more Jimmer!" (Bruce Dickinson [Christopher Walken]voice)

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    June 18, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    KOC should think long and hard before putting Millsap on the trading block. Sure, he is a tweener and has liabilities, especially on defense. But over the years he has shown himself to be reliable in the clutch -- I think especially of how many times he gave the Lakers fits in the playoffs while Carlos disappeared. The recently concluded championship series again demonstrated that talent in and of itself does not necessarily prevail over determination and basketball IQ.

    Besides, he has a desirable contract for a veteran in his prime years. Keep him and let him come off the bench.

  • COOL HAND LUKE Old Ephraims Grave, UT
    June 18, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    Why take BB??? He cannot score the bball, I believe we already have the dude with the hops, and a defensive mentality in Jeremy Evans. Sure he needs to bulk up, but this kid has heart and can jump outta the gym. He also has a very high FG% Unlike BB. JE just needs to bulk up also, at end of season AK said he loves Utah, and that he doesn't need more money.. We'll see about that. If the russian owner Prokhorov of the Nets, want's his Russian comrade, AK is bye bye. Also, the Jazz will not just give CJ away for nothing, he is a long athletic, shooter/scoring SF just what the Jazz need-name another player we could get from any other team that would fill his shoes for the same price were paying CJ?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Bugoff: I rewatched Williams Highlight video and just in that little clip Williams jumps off of one leg at least 4 time, he plays like most normal, good basketball players do, they go off of two legs most of the time and jump off of one leg when the situation requires it. Some players like Karl Malone were more one legged jumpers , others like Barkley, (Harpring,KJohnson) prefer two legged jumping. Jeremy Evans is a two legged jumper but will go off of one if necessary, he is also a quick jumper, even with his second or third jump. It doesn't have anything to do with going off of one leg or two, it has to do with quick twitch muscles, reaction time,etc. I heard Locke critisize Williams for this a week or two ago and it has bugged me ever since, he hasn't played the game and doesn't know what he is talking about. I would like to know where he is getting his info from though, he usually doesn't come up with something like this on his own. What was the article you read that mentioned it.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    June 18, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    I see posters making comparisons of Kanter to Kosta Koufous implying that they would both be busts in the NBA. Regarding Koufous, remember, especially with big men it can take a few years for them to develop their game in the NBA. We didn't get a chance to see Koufous that much while playing for the Jazz but I remember a game last year where Koufous killed the Jazz in a game in Denver I believe. He could still become a pretty good player in this league. Also, remember when Kris Humpries played here? He's another big guy that didn't stay with the Jazz too long but last year in New Jersey he really started to become a pretty important player. Even players like Marc Gasol took time to start having an impact. So if the Jazz take a big with number 3 which I hope the do, I don't know if you can expect great things this year. Favors has a year under his belt now and hopefully we will start to see more of his potential down the road too.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 18, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    @Bugoff

    you have probably read the article on draftexpress for Kanter...Kanter has really few vids...yes he is coached in Kentucky...but...it wont do you good unless you use it in a game...so...there is a High risk on Kanter...this is why his stock fell to number 6...and Knight was projected 3...if they get a trade to the wiz...for paul millsap + bell and a future 2nd round pick...for their first pick...now we are talking...you have 3 6 and 12...thus getting you a PG in jimmer...gamble on the sometimes lost Valaciunas at 3...and singleton at 12...there is no way Williams would fall at the 3 anyway

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    June 18, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    Whoa I hit the wrong key. To finish my comment properly I would keep what we have except for the 3 or 4 released players mentioned and trade picks and Miles, Bell for quality young veterans at positions needed. No rooks please Kevin, there is none with the ability to help in the next 2 years, and what we have now just needs time together with some moderate tweaking at one or two positions (SG & SF). NO Knight, Jimmer, Kanter, let others "gamble" on these unprovens, we have 3 rooks now. Develop Favors, Hayward and Evans and forget adding more inexperience through this draft "PLEASE"!

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    June 18, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    All of you so-called Gm's are killing me. This "instant gratification" generation mentality will put this Jazz organization right where the U.S. economy is now-"In the toilet". There is "not" one rookie in this draft that will be a team changer for any team this next year and possibly the next year. Keep the team core together that finished the season last year together until at least the trade deadline in Feb to see how well they jell. After all because of multi small injuries this team never played together after the D-Will trade last year, and I think they can be much better than alot of you so-called GM's think. Elson, Watson, and Price can be let go, alhad seen the reason to do so if I had a sayong with Miles and Bell in trade scenario's but I wouldn't start an overhaul until I

  • forgetyourself Layton, UT
    June 18, 2011 5:06 a.m.

    The reason the Jazz are in trade talks is so they can move up from 12 to secure Jimmer I am sure with his rising interest from other teams. I think he is still under rated and will do well in the NBA.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 3:18 a.m.

    Saying Williams is a tweener doesn't mean it is necessarily bad, if he can defend the 3, his size and bulk will end up being an asset. I think he has the athleticism , quickness, speed, etc to play D against the 3's in the league, he has the range on his shot, and if he has the handles (like Ronzone says he has), there isn't any reason he won't be able to play the 3, having players that are versatile is what KOC likes. Singleton can play multiple positions,(3/4). Milsap show skills to allow him to play the 3, it is his quickness and speed on D that is the concern as to whether or not he can play the 3 fulltime.
    Williams size kinda reminds me of Melo, Williams is taller tough but will have to prove he can shoot like Melo.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 18, 2011 3:01 a.m.

    bug: I would like to know who is telling you, me, us, or anyone for that matter that being a two legged jumper is bad or makes you slow, it just isn't true, Charles Barkley was a two legged jumper, it is what allows you to go up strong, powerful, on balance and in control. Most players can jump and do jump using one leg at times but most basketball skills are performed off of two legs. Jumpshots, reobunding, you have to have momentum to jump one legged. It isn't slower too pivot into a two legged jump. I'm sure Williams can and does jump off of one leg at times, he just prefers going off of two legs because he can go up higher, under more control, with more power and balance. To criticize Williams or any player for jumping off of two legs, like it is a problem doesn't make sense. All players jump off of two legs , most just do both, guards use a one legged floater shotinthepaint but most shots are taken off of two legs, most rebounds are off of two legs. Tell me the article and who this is coming from.

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    June 18, 2011 2:51 a.m.

    I'm with bugoff - I think Jonas V fits the Jazz better than Kanter and somehow get Jimmer after Jonas with the 3 pick.

    If cannot get Jimmer then Singleton or Thompson would be good

    Trades will have to happen, Harris, CJ, Milsap & Memo

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 17, 2011 11:49 p.m.

    BB is supposed to be dropping. He is doing individual workouts in the states to try to help his cause. He is working out for NY at 17. You can probably move down and get him.

    He will take a long time to develop. You could plug him in for a few minutes on the 2nd string for defense but he is not going to start or be a major help for years. Fes already has that role for cheap.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 17, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    I read today that Williams can't jump unless he uses both feet, that amounts to an extra step which means a blocked shot in the NBA. Williams is also a tweener. He is not an SF and not that much better than Millsap. He also would be the heaviest SF to ever come thru the combine.

    The article went on to make a case for a high bust potential on Williams as an SF. I would prefer Singleton at SF or maybe Vesley. They are true SFs.

    Kanter worries me. He is high potential reward but could easily be average at the NBA level. It is really hard to judge even the Euros with lots of game film. Koufos played well at the D-league level.

    Is Knight really going to be better than Jimmer in the long run? Jimmer can shoot and pass. His D is going to be okay. Can either Jimmer or Knight run a team better than Price?

    Price had ALL of the tools but never learned to run a team.

    It is so close that KOC is waiting for trades to decide which way he goes. KOC seems pretty flexible and comprehensive in analysis.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 17, 2011 11:34 p.m.

    If the Jazz take Knight at 3, I would like BB at 12, either him or Singleton.

  • jp3 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2011 11:24 p.m.

    Our defense is awfully lousy--we've always needed a shot-blocking, rebounding center, and we need someone who can guard strong shooting guards--so I like the Knight/Singleton combo versus any others--I'd actually like Knight/Biyombo--the Jazz has never been synonymous with "athletic prowess," it would be nice to get some athletic players in here for a change.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 17, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    I just read about Williams workout at Minn. today and Tony Ronzone assistant GM for Minn. said he loved Williams handles, if Williams can play the 3, I'd love to get him.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 17, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    I would be OK with Jonas V. but he wouldn't be able to help as soon. Either Kanter or Jonas at 3, I would be happy about and Jimmer at 12. I can hope.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    June 17, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    I watched the tape I could find on Valanciunas.

    At this point I learn toward Valanciunas over Kanter mainly because he has played all year and can be evaluated. However, V is long and has good reach. He will gain weight and a mid range game with time.

    Kanter is fast and agile for a big his size but so is V. Kanter is average in max reach, vert and arm length. His size is a major plus if he keeps his quicks as he gets older and heavier.

    Think about the combinations of AJ, Favors and V on both offense and defense. That is a lot of versatility.

    I also read pros and cons on Knight. He has more weaknesses than most 3 picks. I am not sure he is better than Jimmer right now but he is young. Both will need time to develop into a good NBA PG.

    I do not think Jimmer fits SAC that well. I think he has a 50% chance of being there at 12.

    The Jazz will see what they can get for Harris/Millsap and then decide on PG/BIG at 3.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 17, 2011 10:45 p.m.

    Knight-Singleton or Kanter-Fredette?

    On the one hand, Knight and Kanter are both unknowns (minimal experience), but do show a lot of promise.

    On the other hand, Singleton and Fredette are knowns (3-4 years of experience), and also show a lot of promise.

    The differences are:

    - The unknowns/knowns, which each combo has equally.
    - The positions, a center vs a small forward (both have guards).

    So, if the Jazz value a center more than a small forward, or vice versa, that is likely to determine which way they go on the 3rd pick.

    HOWEVER, I strongly believe the Jazz are going to be doing some trading. This 3-12 thing just won't work out all that well in this particular draft.

    I wouldn't be surprised by either of these scnearios:

    > The Jazz trade someone like Harris, Miles, or Millsap to get their 12th pick moved up much higher (plus something else). Then, they can get the two players they really covet, whoever they are.

    > The Jazz trade their 12th pick for someone else's first round pick for next year, giving the Jazz two first rounders in what might be a better draft for big men.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 17, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    Thought is was interesting that today on 1320 Coach Gordie Cheaza was on and at the end he stated who he would take at 3 and 12, he would take Kanter at 3 and Jimmer or Singleton at 12. That's exactly how I see it.
    Alot of people don't want to give Jimmer the credit he deserves, nor do they think he can be as good as those in the know feel, it was good to hear Gordie's comments about Jimmer.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    June 17, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Trade possibilities could change things but I don't see the Jazz trading the #3 pick, you don't get a #3 pick very often. I hope they pick a big with the 3rd pick, again you don't get talented bigs in every draft and if you do they usually go in the top 3 to 5 picks. We need to take a big. I like Kanter but Jonas V. would be a good pick too, he just might not be ready to contribute for a yr or two. I watched an interview he gave today and he doesn't speak English very well, communications could be a problem.
    I would love to see Jimmer still available at 12, (don't think he'll be there), he would fill some big needs the Jazz have, namely outside shooting and a ball handler that can create. To me Knight isn't any better than Jimmer, if fact right now he's not as good but Knight is only 19 and he will improve but so will Jimmer. Jimmer is a better shooter, better handles, better passer, better after contact, better at getting to the line. Knight probably a little better at D.