Yes Taxman I know what tribe of Israel Moses came from. Interestingly we Mormon
folk worship the King of the Jews, or, rather The King of the World. Whatever
tribe he comes from he is our God. I think if one looks at the leaders of the
church as a whole, one will find many well educated people who have risen to the
top of their chosen fields, or could have if they didn't accept the call to
"Thus we have Moses stating that he is nothing (without God). "which
thing he never supposed until he communed with God."KM - I
assume you realize you're quoting a Jew (Moses) when making the point that
Mormons don't seek recognition. For example, when he said "...let my
people go", I think the "people" he was talking about were Jews.
By my observances, the Church is all about exposure and recognition.
Today's Top-10 list is bestselling suthors; who knows what tomorrow's will be.
It almost seems like the DN and many members fell the need to keep themselves
pumped-up and feeling really relevant in the world. Notwithstanding, the sad
fact is very very few Mormons have risen to the top of their fields and
influenced world thought. So I guess whether it be out of humility or whatever,
Mormons have done a good job of keeping their intellectual "talents"
Intellectual is our word. It lives out here in the larger world, and doesn't
have to be defined in utah except in terms of it being something you despise and
don't want to be. It is a term of denegration, used by tea party candidates or
AM radio show hosts to spew vitriol against any opponent who seems to
demonstrate intelligence. It's like asking who are the mormon Elite (use your
best palin e-LEET here) or who are the mormon community organizers or
intelligensia or democrats. You just don't think of them together because for so
long we have only heard these terms in context of what not to be.
taxmanThanks! Aren't we all either working on a personal
relationship with Jesus or enhancing the one we already have. Not to compare
the jewish scholars with the Mormon scholars, but I think that none of the so
called scholars on the Mormon list would have a personal desire to be on the
list. Its sort of against the whole program of looking to Christ and not into
ourselves for real fulfillment and self actualization. Thus we have Moses
stating that he is nothing (without God). "which thing he never supposed
until he communed with God.
To KM- I don't personally know Jesus yet (but I'm working on it). By the
way, some of the others on my list are pretty humble too. In fact, I'd be
surprised if Jewish religious publications print anything like a "Top 10
Jewish Intellectuals" list; they seem to be secure enough not to have that
taxman Great, you almost forgot the most intelligent man that ever
walked the face of the earth.When it comes to intellectualism I like
to refer to Moses, who must have been a top student in the schools of Egypt.
Yet when he came down from the mount he had been humbled by an all knowing
creator, and said "now I know man is nothing, which thing I never
Six, counting Jesus.
Just an observation (not meant to be a slam): despite growing up in Utah, being
Mormon myself, and being exposed to countless many more Mormons than Jews, the
five smartest people I've personally known are Jewish.
Intellectualism is an interesting term. What is an intellectual? History is full
of them! Scripture is full of them (Korihor comes to mind)! A really intelligent
knows that the tiny bit of knowledge he has obtained from the vast ocean of
knowledge always humbles him and he does not feel the need to try to impress the
rest of us with his vast knowledge! Truly intelligent people among us do not
feel the need to ridicule faith but know that what they know increases the need
for faith in what they don't know! Truly intelligent people are humble truth
seekers, not truth definers! That's the difference!