"One of the reasons Williams has such high efficiency isbecause he is a two
legged jumper."That's exactly correct. Williams squares
himself to the basket. That's a fundamentally sound position when shooting,
rebounding, or making a pass.
@yarrlydarb:You do realize I was just answering panamadesnews'
question about what BPA stands for, right?
Bug, you must have been listening to David Locke too much. How often do you
shoot off of one leg or rebound off of one leg, I don't get the criticism
Williams is getting for his preference to jump off of 2 legs. I played until I
was almost 60, I coached, my boys played in college, a have watched and anylized
the game and never have I found a coach or player that was taught or encouraged
to be a one legged jumper. It doesn't even make sense. Jumping off of 2 legs
give a player more balance, control, power, more ability to finish after contact
etc. There are a few time when going off of one leg is prefered, like when your
on a fast break or flying to the hole from 3 pt range but most of the SKILLS of
basketball are done off of 2 legs, not one. I guarentee you Williams can go off
of one leg when he needs to, he just prefers to go off of two legs because he
has more control, power, and balance. One of the reasons Williams has such high
efficiency isbecause he is atwo legged jumper.
Thanks Sokol. KOC has his own set of biases. However, he is capable of putting
together a winner IF he does it right. Longer and more athletic is helpful but
that is not an offensive philosophy. The biggest problem with BPA is
the trading costs. If you replace Harris or Millsap or get too many PFs you
have to trade them. The rest of the league knows you have to trade and you lose
value in the transactions. BPA has it's own set of costs that its
advocates ignor. Williams has to use both feet to jump. He can not
jump off of one foot. That slows his shot up. He has very high bust potential
because of that limitation.Kanter is a wild card. He is athletic but
has a short max vert reach. He could be a Love or he could be average. At the moment I am leaning toward Valanciunas and Knight as safer picks. How does Valancuinas fit in with AJ/Favors? They are 3 very different
post styles and skills sets. Both Knight and Jimmer can run the
team. Both can shoot and distribute. Knight is better on D. Jimmer is better on
That was good stuff Bugoff. I am afraid the Jazz are really adrift. There was a
power struggle and the worst GM in sports won over the great coach in sports. I
think Jefferson is really not that highly respected in the league...If you
watched the playoffs, the Mavericks and the Grizzlies..They had tough minded
players who could penetrate, stop people, or shoot the three. We have none of
that...I long for the days of Deshawn Stevenson. The players we are getting are
very soft...I hope Favors will not watch any of those impressive Carlos Boozer
re: scoreboardYou make fun of me for stating the obvious that the
Jazz won't be picking Jimmer if they take walker.Well, at least I
was right.You thinking a rookie named Williams would be a starting
SF next season speaks volumes about your basketball knowledge.That
ain't happening so I don't know why you are even talking about it.
"Duh" as you like to say.
Most of the picks in this draft have some risk factors associated with them,
Kanter , we don't have alot of film on him and so there is alot of unknowns
because of that but his skill set is very good.Knight has risk factors
too, will he gain weight, will he become a true point guard, and how long will
that take?Because we don't have much film on Kanter he may be a higher
risk, but his upside may be worth it, considering his size and skill set.Knight may be the safer pick.If we pick Knight , I sure hope we can get
BB, he would be a big with upside and potential and a defender/rebounder we
Could Knight put up over 40 points on the road in college? I am still a huge
Knight fan but I'm praying that Derrick Williams falls to us. Jimmer will be
gone to Sacramento before we pick. The best scenario would have been Willams
and Jimmer at 12.
@Jazz Source"If they pick him then there is exactly zero chance they
pick Jimmer. This guy is 6'3" too."Duh, that's pretty
academic. As for his being 6'3" that's only an inch taller than Jimmer,
really no difference at all. But he's only 177 lbs with narrow shoulders. He'll
have a difficult time trying to defend bigger and stronger guards and getting
his shot off in traffic. He looks like he'd be the next Devin Harris to me.I'm really hoping that the T-Wolves don't pick Derrick Williams and
instead pick for a need. I'd love to see Williams suit up as the starting SF
next season. The Jazz have a log jam at PF and not enough outside shooting.
"If it were my decision, Enes is who I would pick at No. 1. Heres why: he
can truly be a dominating kind of player; he can be a Karl Malone-type big man.
As the league gets smaller (size-wise) his ability to dominate his position will
grow. Hes got a position and a true size. If he doesnt go No. 1 he will go
shortly thereafter and the teams that passed on him will look back and wince at
that decision."Kentucky Coach John Calipari06/03/11, on
his own blog
Just imagine what would happen if Fredette turned out to be a legendary scorer
like a Larry Bird or even a legendary point guard and court captain like John
Stockton. The entire state of Utah would forever loathe Kevin O'Connor and would
blame him for never bringing the Jazz a championship. This draft may
determine this general manager's identity as either a genius or a laughingstock.
Good luck Mr. O'Connor. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.
If the Jazz are shopping Harris, and if the Jazz is set on drafting Knight, I
would package Bell and the #3 pick for the Cav's Ramon Sessions, their Turk
Center, and the #4 pick. If you look at the +/- numbers after the
DWill trade, Bell is a big negative when in the lineup (no surprise), and the
Harris and Bell combo is the biggest negative.Interestingly, AJ as a
center is way more positive than as a PF, and the AJ and Favors combo were the
most positive compared to any other frontcourt combo. I suspect that a big man
with a defensive presence is what AJ needs. I worry, though, if Favors can
develop an offensive game while in with AJ. Sap puts up great
numbers and has a good work ethic. If the rumors are true that he is being
shopped, I would hate to see him go as I think he could be an impact 6th man,
and the Jazz would have to get a big man in return as Memo is a huge question
I don't really see KOC and staff showing their hand on anything regarding the
draft but I think Jimmer did impress them enough that they would like to take
him at 12, the problem is he probably won't be there at 12. Is there a chance
that the Jazz would take Knight and Jimmer? I don't think so but stranger things
have happened and KOC could say BPA and they take him. Like I said , I don't see
it happening. To me it would be easy to say if your there at 12 we will pick you
but that isn't that much of a promise since it's not likely he will be there.
This team has too many needs to use both picks on points guards, we need
centers and especially a 3. Like I've said, I hope we take a big at 3,
Kanter or Jonas V. , at 12, Jimmer if available , Singleton (big area of need),
Brandon has been drinking to much SEC Koolaid. The SEC is not the best
conference in college basketball. Brandon is riding the coat-tails of Tyreke
Evans, Derrick Rose, and John Wall. If he truly belongs in that company, he'll
be a find. If not ... (is this permissible, DMN staff?)
It does'nt matter who the Jazz pick. The Jazz will always be in the middle of
the pack. Why? Two reasons. Administration and the state of Utah!
Hoopsworld is reporting that Jimmer has a guarantee from the Jazz. I
personally do not believe it as there is no advantage in doing so by the Jazz.
It would also tip (and tie) KOCs hand in the 3rd pick. He is waiting to see what
his options are AFTER teams start trading and also what offers he gets on draft
night (as well he should).They are also reporting that Kanter is
doing a 2nd workout with CLE as he did not do that well in the 1st. Some are
questioning Kanter as a top 3 pick and are calling him ordinary and not really a
top 10 under normal circumstances. All of the Euros bother me. Their
flaws are clear and large enough that the NBA can exploit them.Kanter/Knight/Irving are blanker slates and the weaknesses are less obvious or
appear to be fixable. That is why they are rated higher. GMs tend to choose
uncertainty over known risks if the known risks are substantial.The
safest picks are college players/Euros with lots of film and fixable flaws.This draft is weak. The Jazz need more picks for next year.
I don't think the Jazz will be picking Knight because he is the safest pick. I
think they will pick him because he will be a very good player. That is, if they
stay at three. If they keep there two picks at 3 and 12, I am hoping for Knight
and Singleton.This is going to be such an interesting draft. It is
not even certain who will be going number 1. With a lockout liking coming, I
think there will be lots of trades happening. I could see the Jazz trading down
to either the Wizards or the Kings and picking up Jimmer, if they can get a
Remember, Knight is Only 18 and Jimmer is 21.
I like do like Knight at 3, as I think Kanter & Jonas are too much of a
project. Happy also to Jimmer at 12, resign Watson, Trade Bell, Harris & CJ
(puck up option first). Trade Milsap or AJ if the deal suits as well.We do
need to clear the decks and start to rebuild with, Knight, Jimmer, Hayward,
Favors, Evans, Watson, AJ, Milsap & resign Fes cheap 1 year ( good back up
big body & last chance prove himself - if he can) and with other they get
back from trades, we could get some decent back for Harris, Bell & CJ
Early warning about a player from St. Louis who was this year's Gatorade Player
of the Year. Bradley Beal is going to U of Florida and is already projected to
be "one and done" and then into the NBA as a top five pick. He is
also a point guard and six foot three and about two hundred. He went to the
same high school as David Lee of the Warriors, Chaminade Prep. The Jazz should
be trying to figure out how to draft Beal for next year. It would not be a bad
idea to trade for David Lee as well. Enes Kanter should be the pick. He is
also from Kentucky and had to sit out due to payment issues in Turkey. He was
still coached in practice by the Kentucky staff.
@ T-spoonWho would ever have said that John Stockton was the BPA in
the year he was drafted?And after his career, who would disagreed
that he was indeed the BPA in the year he was drafted?If the Jazz
really believed that DWil was the BPA when he was drafted, why would GM and KC
suddenly decide he needed to be traded for Harris and the other two to better
the team?If those making draft decisions were to use their supposed
ability to choose BPAs in Las Vegas, they'd be dead broke.
I agree w/ lajazzfan about trading picks w/ cavs for S. Erdan; you basically
still get who you want w/ the #4 & get a capable backup/starter..There are
concerns about his homesickness which could be ameliorated by fellow turk
Okur..Also AJ is no taller than 6' 8.5"; should not have
significant min at center..
Quote from Kevin O'Connor " What you determine is, is he willing to try and
make everyone on the team better, rather than make himself better and if youve
got enough quickness and youve got enough athleticism and you can handle the
ball well enough, then you can be a point guard."Who was he
talking about - Brandon Knight.Done deal.
Multiple sources say both Harris and Millsap are being shopped by the Jazz. KOC
is serious about rebuilding and getting the right players to fit a system that
is not entirely clear to me yet. Does anyone know how the AK salary
terms are coming? If Harris and/or Millsap are moved that reduces salary a lot
and AK can be signed. It may also mean that a low hard cap is a
possibility. But more than likely KOC is getting longer and more athletic. They
will have to be traded for non guaranteed contracts (and picks) to save any
salary.Williams/Kanter would replace Millsap. Williams is a better
candidate I suspect in the eyes of the Jazz. He could play both SF and PF to a
degree. Kantor should be able to play C/PF and he can shoot outside.Who knows what the Jazz will do at PG but Jimmer is likely if the Jazz go big
at 3. They also could hope Biyombo drops to 12 and go with Knight at 3. I do not
see Biyombo playing PF next year behind Favors.
Fact, Knight was much better as a freshman than Jimmer or Kemba were as
freshmen. Fact, both Jimmer and Kemba were better as upper class men last year
than Knight. Fact just like Jimmer and Kemba, Knight is a hard working, high
class person who excelled in the classroom.My translation of these
facts is that both Kemba and Jimmer have better rookie seasons than Knight, but
Knight ends up having the better career because he has a higher ceiling and an
equal work ethic.I don't know if Knight is the best pick at 3, but
he's probably the safest, and he fills a large need. The Jazz need a backup
point guard who can also play a little bit at 2. But any of the top 4 PGs in
this draft could probably get at least 14 min a night at PG and another 10 at
SG.Good luck KOC, in this draft you'll probably need it.
I would love to see the Jazz get Jimmer, his game would open things up for the
other players and I think he can be a pass first point. That being said, Knight
will probably be the pick and so we will need to make the best of it. At 12, I
would go with BB or Singlton if Knight is the pick at 3. Singleton would give us
size, athleticism, versatility and defense at the 3 spot and we need that. I hate the thoughts of having a number 3 pick and not being able to get a big
man. We really don't have a true center, Al is a 6'10 PF, and Favors is the
same, Milsap is 6'8 at best , that says we are small in the front court. They
are talented but undersized and we need to get bigger and longer. Jonas V or
Kanter would help in that case and I sure hope we take a big at 3.
Dude has horrible shooting form. How do you get that far in your career, with
that high a profile, without getting that corrected?
My biggest concern right now is that KOC/Corbin are just getting the Best
Players Available and then will sit down and try to figure out how to fit them
into a system. BUT it won't really be a system it will be a mess. Sloan quit right after a discussion with KOC over a trade. Replacing Boozer
with AJ really messed up his system. He tried to make AJ fit his system. It did
not work. Partly because he lost Korver and Mathews to financial concerns. At that point he could not make his system work as the paint was packed.
You have to have the capability at each position to run a variation
of the flex. Sloan no longer had enough of the right players. That
is how he made the playoffs for years. He would get a player off of another team
(or out of the dump) who fit the specific demands of each position given his
system and then he worked his system. The Jazz NO LONGER have a
system. AND they no longer have the right players to run a system. Decide on the system first. Get the right players for it.
Best player available.
@panamadesnews:BPA = Best Player Available
To Bugoff: Who or what is BPA? Please respond, as I don't know who or what it
is that implies Harris is traded for the ideal SF.
@peterIf you are referring to Jimmer, I can recall John Stockton
having the ability to pass the ball.
I wonder how all you expert posters would look at an unknown John Stockton if he
were to come out today for the draft? Too small for the nba...small town
school...unproven talent...not fast enough. Don't forget the most important
element in any player--HEART, a desire to play and compete! Initially,nobody
saw that element in John.
safe is for wimps
Knight is by far the safest pick at #3. Probably the safest pick in the draft
overall. I say that simply because Irving has foot problems, which may be
nothing, but it's a slight risk. And he has less to be evaluated on. Then
Williams may not have the ball skills to play 3 and may be undersized to be a
great 4. I don't think either is true, and I'd take either over Knight, but I am
saying there's risk involved. Kanter didn't play last year so who knows how
he'll turn out. Kemba is undersized and a spotty shooter, Vesely can't shoot,
etc. Knight has no major weaknesses. He improved all year, is fast, can shoot,
defend, and has a lot of room to grow. He may not have the ceiling of Irving or
Williams but he's pretty sure-fire to be a good PG. And honestly I'm not
convinced that he can't end up better than Irving. Kanter crowds the front-court
too much and no one else is worth the 3rd pick, so I say take him, even if it
means no Jimmer, which is slightly disappointing
D- Will did not work out against anyone either. If you watched the NCAA
championship fame you saw Knight against Walker for four quarters of real
basketball. Irving worked out for the Cavs only. I still think the Cavs will
take Williams first. Four the # 4 pick they will still have three point guards
to pick from all with pretty equal ability. If the Jazz have Irving, Kanter,
Knight, and Williams to pick from it will be a tough choice.
If Knoght is the pick get ready KC for everyone to call for your head. He will
be a bigger risk for a bust than these so called experts are talking about.
How can you question heart, when your agent tells you not to workout against
those who will be or projected to be taken behind you? I have no questions about
Knight's work ethic or heart, I think it's more about the ability to play the
point. If he has the ability, then he's probably not a risky pick. The Jazz need
to continue to pick Gym rats with talent which = success. If you can't get the
most talented team, then you need to outwork those teams that are more talented.
KO should be better at drafting post Sloan. I wish you'd here what kind of
system Corbin is going to implement.......maybe then the draft picks might make
Shooting Guard is not the need for this team in my opinion. Hayward is a 2 and
he showed great progress towards the end of the year. He won't be dominating
like he was to Kobe in that win, but he showed his true potential. SF is still
the biggest need in my opinion. I still think Williams can play the 3, so does
he, that's why I hope for him. I think that's a long shot however, so I like
trading down for possibly Jimmer and filling the 3 spot with Singleton, who
appears to be a true defensive stopper.
Tyrone says, "He showed himself very well, he did a really good job. I
mean, it was one-on-zero, but (he was able) to show his talent level. ... His
basketball IQ seemed to be high."Yes, Coach T., but why does he
avoid working out with two players so highly regarded as Jimmer and Kemba?Could it be that he knows he does better one-on-zero than showing off
his talent under the pressure of competitors and the press?How do
you measure the "heart" of a player who doesn't have to compete?Other than a select few exceptions, the Jazz management has not shown
the fans much with their picks over the years.Best bet? This will
fail to be an exceptional year for Greg, Larry and Tyrone once more.
This kid will be the 3rd pick. Unless something crazy happens and either Irving
or Williams falls to 3.He's a smart player, decent shooter, has good
size, can defend, and has a ton of upside to get better.No brainer,
you take him, and look for a SG at #12.
Jimmer at 3 just for the purpose of selling tickets is something a team like the
Clippers would do and that's why they see the playoffs only once in a blue moon.
@ ModerateWow your bitterness just showed in that comment!
Knight just jimmered all of you cougarfans. He wants to go up against a real
point guard like irving and not some overrated 1 year point guard like Jimmer.
Comparing Jimmer with Knight is like comparing Eddie House with Derrick Rose.
Draft is a crap shoot at best and this year it is even more so. Even the top 2
picks would only be late lottery in many drafts. What makes Williams a 6'8'' PF
so great? Jazz already have that in Milsap. Irving played what, 11 games at
the college level? Kanter is based on a single game 2 year ago and an NBA ready
body but has bad knees. Smells like Greg Oden to me.Only 2 proven
players and the ones who were willing to mix it up were Jimmer and Walker.
Knight put up good numbers and has the right size but you gotta question his
competativness when he refuses to practice against any other PG let alone the
top PGs. He says he wants to play against Irving but everyone knows that will
not happen.Given that it is all a bit of luck why not take Jimmer at
3? Maybe he produces, maybe not. But you risk that with every player in every
draft.By the way why do several sights predict the Jazz draft a big
and PG. SG is the true need in Utah. After that a defensive wing player.
It was smart of Knight to work out solo today. The Jimmer workout was a circus.
Local media was all over Jimmer like little girls at a Justin Bieber concert.
Disrespectful to Kemba Walker.Today was a chance for the Jazz
organization to get back to evaluating real basketball.
I am really souring on Kanter. Compare- Koufos is 7'1" and 265 lbs, his
stats for the U18 championship in Europe in 2007 was 27pts, 13 rebounds and 3.5
blocks. In 2009 Kanter (6'11" 260lbs) averaged 18 pts, 16rebounds and 2
blocks in the U18 European championships. Koufos had a decent year in Ohio St.
to compare, while Kanter has none. I am beginning to think that Kanter could be
a bust.But, there appear to be teams that like him- he has a 2nd
workout scheduled with the Cavs. If the Jazz want Knight, then the Jazz should
trade the rights to the #3 pick to the Cavs for their #4 (get Knight) and a
player, such as Erden (7 foot Center from Turkey). The cost savings from the
trade would mean that Erden would only cost them about $375k. I can't imagine
he is worse than the 3rd string centers the Jazz have had over the years. Unless Okur retires due to medical (he is supposed to be in Utah
mid-June and I wonder if that will be a reason why), the Jazz have a large
payroll with many slots to fill still.
I will be happy as long as we don't draft any Euro players!
Jesse It is nice that we mostly agree. Valanciunas is maybe the
best Euro but he is not NBA ready. His low post game is very weak. He simply
does not weigh enough to not get moved out of position.Vesley is
just as limited but in other ways. Kanter has size and athleticism
but his wing span is not great. He is similar to Love.Williams is
not a SF. Harris is a top 10 PG but his style fits another team.
The Jazz need a distributor and a shooter and those are not Harris strengths.
Knight is not the perfect PG for the Jazz but he is close. Playing
him with Hayward creates a great offensive/defensive front court. It solves the
shooting/perimeter defense problems.If you add top talent then other
players lose playing time, get traded (picks, other players or saving money).
That is why you take BPA. It makes the entire team stronger in the
long run. That implies that Harris is traded eventually (sooner?) for the ideal
SF. Adding the ideal SF and PG with Millsap as 6th man and a
stronger bench makes the Jazz contenders by 2013.
just get Jimmer by all means necessary!
I thought we have pretty decent PG in Haris... why we would need Knight? I hope
because nobody mentions Valanciunas to Jazz ( same like nobody was talking about
Hayward last year) that O'Connor will surprise us again and gets Jonas at 3. In
3 years him and Favors would be best frontline in the West.
our 3rd pick and Bell to Minny for the #2 pick. We desperately need williams
more than knight, plus minny can get kanter, who they need, plus some veteran
leadership, which they also really want
It's hard to dislike Knight after hearing him interview. I still don't know if I
like him at #3 though. Unless Williams falls, I don't know who really makes
sense at the #3 spot.Kanter: So much unknown (knees &
experience) but has a great NBA body.Knight: Very thin for the NBA
but looks like he has a very high ceiling. Is he better than Mike Conley? (Thats
the best comparison I can think of for him)Valanciunas: Does he have
an NBA body? How long before he comes over? Vesely: Great athlete
but can he learn to shoot?Kemba & Jimmer: Both proven on the
college level but not #3 worthy in my opinion.Unless the Jazz are
sold on Knight or Kanter, I think a trade back would net more value. A trade
back to #6 or later could potentially net you Jimmer and an NBA player, then
Draft Singleton at #12 or whoever you like at that spot. I don't think there is
a huge difference in talent available at #3 back to #15. With 7 players under
contract and no real star at #3, what is wrong with adding more players.
3rd. pick...12th. pick...O'Conner will screw it up...take it to the Bank
Knight is clutch.....and his 3/4 court time was similar to Westbrook. Conspiracy
theories, however, make you think why no word after the Kanter workout and then
all the pub about Knight? The Jazz usually play it close to the vest on who they
I would be shocked if Knight isn't the pick. Unless there is a shakeup in the
top 2 this probably makes the most sense. KO likes height and length at each
position. Knight fits that bill more than the Jimmer and Walker. Knight 6 ft 3
at the point with a 6 7 wing span, Hayward 6 8 at the two guard spot and Favors
6 10 with a huge wingspan at the PF and you can see a pattern here. Smart
intelligent hard working athletes.....The question here is how can we duplicate
that pattern at 12.....and no it's not Jimmer.
Knight at 3 would be a good pick. You have to take a highly regarded player who
plays a position(PG) where you have a long term need. Especially when that
player plays at a University where the last 2 players at his university who
played that position are absolute studs (Tyreke Evans and John Wall).
I would like to see the Jazz draft Jimmer. However, Knight (or
Irving by some quirk of fate) is the best pick for the Jazz at 3. He can play
along side of Harris or the Jazz can trade Harris for an SF or save 8-9 Mill
which they will need after paying 5 Mill in lux tax. Top 10 PG picks
are twice more likely to be successful than top 10 big picks. Knight is a safe
pick. He is very young. His left hand will improve. He will add weight over the
next 3 years. He is very smart. Give him 3 more years of experience
and then compare him to Jimmer. The Jazz should be able to get
Singleton, Jimmer, or maybe a Euro at 12. Hamilton will also be there as well as
Brooks. The Jazz need outside shooting and perimeter defense more
than anything else. Knight does both. Singleton and Brooks do also. However, if the Jazz can play Knight and Harris together they can also play
Knight and Jimmer together. Drafting Knight at 3 does not preclude Jimmer in
spite of KOCs pre draft posturing. Knight is the logical choice at
Let's hope that Kevin O'Connor and the Jazz brain trust read all of the message
boards. They won't be able to make a good decision on the draft picks without
reading all of the good advice sprinkled around the Deseret News and other
Pick Knight at #3 and Singleton or Burks at #12 please.
I remember reading somewhere that the Kentucky coach (Knight's coach..and I
think Kanter's too) said that he himself would choose Kanter over Knight.....he
even went on to say that Kanter should be #1.
No matter what, our back court is going to be better next year, and that should
be enough to put us back in the playoffs.
Sorry 1984 for life Knight is definately NOT the pick.
I agree...this guy is great. Everyone is great. We certainly can't spend a
draft pick on Jimmer because we might offend some Utes and Democrats. Let's set
the table so that we have a valid reason for passing on one of the best players
to ever come out of a Utah university. Frankly, I hope, as does the Jazz, that
Jimmer has been selected before that number 12 pick comes around.
O'Conner likes this guy. He sure seems alot more willing to talk about this guy
than he is Jimmer. Hmmm. If they pick him then there is exactly
zero chance they pick Jimmer. This guy is 6'3" too.
I would prefer Knight or Walker 10 times out of 10 over Jimmer... If we ended up
with a big guy at 3, then Jimmer is a reasonable pick at 12. I think Knight has
the potential to be a pretty special player in the NBA. Lets hope the Jazz can
pick him up at 3.
If he went against Jimmer, he'd get jimmered too.
Knight is the pick.