I'm kind of torn on this one. As long as Utah laws are so churchy, my
transportation business makes money.
L White | 9:00 a.m. June 17, 2011 Springville, UT Mr. LDS
Liberal,"...Do you think that Jesus is pro-alcohol ..."---Absolutely!!!Jesus drank alcohol (not just
Mike Richards | 3:38 p.m. June 16, 2011 South Jordan, Utah LDS
Liberal,Your freedom to buy alcohol from your corner market neighbor
ends when it impacts teenagers. ---Cell phones are FAR
WORSE THAN DRUNK DRIVERS - because EVERYONE is doing it. We are going to see
many more cell phone driving related deaths because our government doesn't want
to "restrict freedoms" when it comes to phones, yet they are perfectly
willing to restrict freedoms when it comes to alcohol.
Mr. LDS Liberal,You wrote that you are following Jesus's plan. Do
you think that Jesus is Pro-Choice (abortion)? Do you think that Jesus is
pro-alcohol and pro-gambling?Why do we have laws? Do the
legislatures make a list of things that will irritate the public and then pass
laws to make our lives miserable? I think that some very wise men and women
looked at the problems that we have in this State and passed laws to protect the
public from people who are irresponsible.We all accept the fact that
we have speed limits. How many people write letters to the editor demanding
that they be allowed to drive eighty-miles-an-hour through an empty school zone?
To me, that is exactly what you and Dave and other posters are
saying about buying alcohol. You want to be free to do the equivalent of driving
eigthy-miles-an-hour through an empty school zone because you think some laws
are too "tight" for your tastes.Old ladies like me are
grateful for our alcohol and gambling laws. Old ladies like me love our
'children', even our 'foolish children'.
@Charles | 8:49 p.m. June 16, 2011 The Greater Outdoors, UT LDS Lib:
you claim you want freedom and liberty but you refuse to let me dictate how I
want to spend my earned money. You want the government to confiscate it and use
it for what you deem worthy.[No, You are completely Free to go live
in a cabin, and not pay one penny in taxes. If you want services and live in our
modern Society - then pony up with everyone else.FYI - Zero
population was "Saturday's Warrior".]====================
L White | 9:06 p.m. June 16, 2011 Springville, UT Well,
Mr. LDS Liberal, I know that I can't remember everything that everyone writes,
but I do remember very well when you stood up for abortion because it was the
law of the land. [I am not pro-abortion, but pro-choice...big
differnece. Free Agency. Following Jesus's plan.]
what is wrong having alcohol just be sold in near by grocery stores most grocery
stores cloesd at 10 or 11pm all the state has to enforce the time when people
can buy it maybe like from 10am to 11pm in grocery stores and the state liquor
stores if they were to go private then they can set there own stores hrs...the
sales tax will still goes towards the school lunch program like always and its a
win win situation...if folks want to gamble instead of driving to nv. maybe the
state can used hotel tax money for other state needs road work,fire
department,police etc. as much a lot of folks don't want this in there nanny
state of utah things need to change because every corner the gov is cutting
money and trying to reduce the resource in the state of utah. it will created
more jobs it wont solve everything but it's a start. you got to look at the big
picture about everything not everything is picture perfect either we just got to
accept it as well
Mike Richards | 4:39 p.m. June 16, 2011 South Jordan, UtahYou
cannot show how any of these regulations do anything but annoy people. They are
nothing more than wallpaper that serves no practical purpose.Why do
you support do-nothing regulation? It is immoral and unjustifiable to support
and pass such legislation.
Well, Mr. LDS Liberal, I know that I can't remember everything that everyone
writes, but I do remember very well when you stood up for abortion because it
was the law of the land. You didn't claim that anyone should have an abortion,
but you demanded that we respect the law of the land.What has
changed since then? Don't Utah laws count?Anybody who is old enough
can drink himself silly. Utah allows people to drink. They only control the
distribution. That is the law. Don't you think we should obey the law?If we do not obey this law, then just where is the list of laws that you
LDS Lib: you claim you want freedom and liberty but you refuse to let me dictate
how I want to spend my earned money. You want the government to confiscate it
and use it for what you deem worthy.If you are for freedom and
liberty and personal responsibility then you will be for reduced taxes, cut
federal entitlement spending, not sending money to foreign countries and
allowing me to keep my earned income without calling me names.But,
we know who you really are. Funny that you use a song from My Turn on Earth to
try to prove a point.Should I use Zero Population to ridicule your
silly positions and complete lack of understanding of the gospel you claim to
know?So with your Free Agency and choosing equals growth song I'm
also going to take it that you are for getting rid of all laws and law
enforcement. After all, we have no personal growth if we are restricted in any
way.Are you really for free agency or just on your terms?
Mike Richards | 3:38 p.m. LDS Liberal,Your freedom to buy
alcohol from your corner market neighbor ends when it impacts teenagers. ============== 1. I choose NOT to drink -- I'm as LDS as
you are.2. There already are laws about selling to minors and supplying or
giving alcohol to minors.You just want more and more and more laws =
meaning more and more Government and less and less Freedom.Which is
exactly the opposite of what you CLAIM you stand for.-------------
"My Turn on Earth"(Jesus)I can not
promise you the same,It's true that if you follow me,there will be
dangers, difficulties, perhaps even wars and bloodshed,For you will
be free to choose them if you wish. I cannot do everything for you,
No one can - No one should,For the most precious gift we have been
given next to life itself, is the power to direct that life.We
must have the oppourtunity to choose,And there must be the possibility of
wrong choices. To discover the powers that are within us, And not
look continuely to someone else.To use our own Free Agency, This is growth - and Growth must be.
As long as tobacco is available in Utah nobody has an argument to make against
liquor or gambling. Nobody.
@ Dave,You seem to think that you can "demand" an answer.
You have no such right.You seem to think that someone has to prove
to you how YOU will be benefited by a law before you accept it. Is that what
America means to you? Do you have to personally find a reason to think that
laws are not "onerous" before you'll accept the fact that you live in
a State that has the total right to control the distribution of alcohol? Do you or one of your family have to be hit by a drunk driver before you
understand why the State regulates alcohol? Do you or someone you love have to
lose his job or his marriage because of alcohol before you understand why the
State regulates alcohol?The State has to pick up the pieces and pay
enormous amounts of money in welfare when people can't hold their liquor. You
want freedom to drink as you please. Well, that's too bad. We live in a
society where laws exist. In Utah, one of the laws is that if you want to buy
liquor, you have to buy it from a State Liquor Store.
only way alcohol can be dangerous is someone abuse it by drinking to just get
drunk but any drugs can be dangerous in are body. even if you try to od on over
the counter drugs can cause some kind impairment if your trying to drive.
gambling can be addictive if the person has a weak mind who can't control his or
her habit...it's up to that person to know when to say when and when it's enough
to stop...im a person who did but i can talk about because i was strong enough
to stop everything ...i don't gamble anymore but if i were to visit vegas i
would have a budget once i spend that budget that is it...because there is more
things to do in vegas or any other states that has gambling to have a good
time...same with drinking i can buy a bottle of booze and not half to drink it
all just in 1-2 days...now i can let it sit for awhole year and not touch a
drop...so all this stuff saying it's a sin just saying your weak in the head.
Mike Richards | 3:49 p.m. June 16, 2011 "It is legal. It is
lawful. It is Constitutional." - But, it it right? My answer is no.I have asked you numerous times to show ONE specific example of how
these onerous laws make anyone safe. You have never given any specific examples
but tossed out anecdotal stories.Please enlighten us. If you can't,
I recommend that you actually think about your position using fact, not hype.
Grover,You can read the liquor laws for yourself. The FEDERAL
Government is restrained or restricted by the Constitution. Everything that is
not explicitly enumerated in the Constitution is left to the States or to the
people.The Utah Code, Title 32, Chapter 12 contains the laws that
govern liquor sales in Utah.Read the code. It is legal.
It is lawful. It is Constitutional.
LDS Liberal,Your freedom to buy alcohol from your corner market
neighbor ends when it impacts teenagers. Don't for one minute claim
that Christ wants you to have the freedom to drink and drive, to buy alcohol for
your teenage friends, or to act offended when laws are passed to protect us from
you.You claim that all laws passed by our representatives are to be
obeyed. So why are you opposing a law that requires you to buy liquor from an
authorized State Liquor Store? Are you picking and choosing which
laws you NEED to obey? In Utah, the LAW requires YOU to buy your liquor from a
State Liquor Store.Christ's plan does not include selling alcohol to
minors. It does not give you the right to destroy someone else's life so that
you can buy liquor.
If Mike R. thinks it is fine for Government to have a monopoly on liquor in
Utah, I am sure that he will use the Constitution to back up his opinion. Ok,
Mike we know from many examples that you assert daily if it isn't in the
Constitution then Government has no business in the business! Where would you
cite to justify such a stance? Or do we have to read the footnotes of the
Federalist Papers (or the Pentagon Papers) to find the justification?
Freedom?What about the revered "Invisible Hand of the Free
Mike Richards | 11:40 a.m. June 16, 2011 South Jordan, Utah Freedom?
How is Utah curtailing freedom by having State Liquor Stores? =========== Make up your mind.Do you want smaller,
less intrusive Government or not.Aren't you the one daily ranting about
the ineffectiveness of Government, and how the Private sector and Free Market
Capitalism should be left alone?!Your waffling and 2-sidedness is
pure hypocrasy.Show some integrity.Which is it?Freedom, or Not?FYI - I choose Freedom. Christ's plan. And all the
Social ills that may come along with it. You seem to insist on everyone living
Forced, sinless lives. That was Lucifer's plan.Again, I ask - who's
side are you on?
Why is government in the business of selling alcohol in the first place?
Shouldn't that be left to the private sector? Thomas Jefferson is
rolling in is grave right now with the way our legislature acts like Communists
with the booze.
Freedom? How is Utah curtailing freedom by having State Liquor Stores? Any adult
in Utah can go to any liquor store and buy whatever he wants.Do you
mean freedom to buy anything anywhere? That does not work, and not just for
alcohol. There are zoning regulations everywhere that limit what kinds of
businesses can occupy which part of town. Have you ever wondered why all the
fast food restaurants are crowded together or the retail stores or the
manufacturing establishments? Does that mean that we have no freedom? Where's
the outcry telling us that the State is taking away our freedom to put a
business anywhere we want, after all, it's our property?Reasonable
people believe in reasonable regulation. Alcohol is a substance
that needs to be regulated. 22% of all auto fatalities in Utah are alcohol
related. Phillip-Howard reports that 67% of 14 year old girls drink and 63% of
14 year old boys drink.Having the "freedom" to buy alcohol
on every street corner is not responsible. If you need a drink so badly that
driving to a Liquor Store causes grief, it might be better to spend your time at
an AA meeting.
"Without gambling, Utah's Indians have conisdered storing nuclear waste on
their reservations as a way of making money. How ironic that Utah's straight and
narrow gambling policy puts the health of her citizens at risk."You cant be serious......
What in Tucket? | 8:14 a.m. June 16, 2011 Provo, UT Alcohol is the
most dangerous drug in America today, worse than heroin or cocaine as it not
only is bad for the person, but DUI's kill the innocent. I see no reason to make
it easier to get. If this loses tourists fine. ============== No it isn't.Perscription Drugs kill more than all illegal
drugs, Drunk driving and ALL regular traffic accidents combined.But
unlike Diet Coke, perscription drugs are not on the Word of Wisdom list so
everything is OK.It's all about control & taking away Freedom.
Without gambling, Utah's Indians have conisdered storing nuclear waste on their
reservations as a way of making money. How ironic that Utah's straight and
narrow gambling policy puts the health of her citizens at risk.
Alcohol is the most dangerous drug in America today, worse than heroin or
cocaine as it not only is bad for the person, but DUI's kill the innocent. I see
no reason to make it easier to get. If this loses tourists fine.
It is hypocritical to claim that something is sinful and immoral and to then
make a profit off it.