Guess who is the only Jazz Number #1 pick since 1983 to have an NBA Title.The 2000 pick DeShawn Stevenson. Wow the Jazz really know how to pick
players that go on to great heights.If you look at the list even the
two greats Karl and John never won a Championship either with the Jazz or
otherwise.Shandon Anderson won an NBA championship in 2006 with the
Miami Heat but he was not a first round pick.Way to go DeShawn.
Great player evaluation Jazz keep up the good work.
Anybody know if Jimmer worked out with any top 10 teams other than
Sacramento?(keeping in mind that the Jazz worked him out as a 12, not a 3)
Jazz Roster 2011-2012:Kirilenko will be gone;Okur will not be
back;Fesenko is a waste;Bell; Elson;Evans;
Miles;Favors; Millsap;Harris; Price;Hayward; Watson;Jefferson;All Dunkers no shooters;No Defense, clog up the
inside and what can you win with that team? Time to Trade if that
@ Anti Bush-Obama,And Jimmer has talent, as well as heart and work
ethic. How else can he shoot treys so consistently from such great distance?From what the different evaluations with teams has shown, he has other
talents, too.He'll become a superstar in the NBA. He'll Jimmer his
doubters. Again. He's been consistent with this.
Dirk had one thing that seperates him from people that have "Heart"
and "Work ethic", that's TALENT. Something that no player outside of
Iriving, Knight, Kanter and Williams has in this draft. Sure Heart and Work
ethic is good for role players and they will win some games for you but if you
want to win it all you need Talent. Duncan has Talent. Kobe has Talent. Wade
has Talent. ev Lebron has Talent. Melo has Talent and so fourth. Almost every
single ALL-Star has Talent.
@ President Joker (8:18am),Matthews showed good defensively, but
offensively he's no Jimmer. A wash.Matthews is also a 2, Jimmer's a
1. Therefore, "bigger" is irrelevant.So what's your
point?@ President Joker (8:20am),Looks like you didn't
watch much of Jimmer's college career---just assumed he's a run-n-gun guy 'cause
he made his name scoring so much.Earlier in his senior year he
didn't try to score so much because he had Davies. He actually did run the team
more than he was able to later when he ran out of assist options.In
the Jazz workout, even Kemba was praising Jimmer's passing ability.
Jimmer reminds me of Larry Bird.
President JokerWhat??? Did you not watch the NBA finals at all?
Did you not see Dirk practicing every shot possible so he would be able to do it
in a game?Heart, and work ethic do not equal championships?It shows you have never played a sport, never had to commit to being better,
never had to practice until it hurts...You haven't got a clue what
NBA players do, how hard they work, or how much heart is needed to win a
championship.I'll take that bet on Jimmer. It's not a Hollywood
story that he is where he is right now, it's because he's got all those things
you don't think he needs.
President Joker: Your way wrong on your statement that Heard and work ethic
don't win championships, you can have all the talent in the world and if you
don't work and have heart you won't be a winner. CJ has a ton of talent but he
lacks work ethic and heart and he struggles. Mathews has less talent but more
heart and greater work ethic and he is excelling. People don't realize how
important work ethic, heart, motor, etc are in finding a player who will develop
up to their potential. It is very important.
Like Steve Nash, Jimmer is a run and gun player. Run and Gun players do not win
championships. We better be pretty darn good defensivley if jimmer is out on the
WhatsinitformeIf I remember correctly unlike Jimmer, Matthews could
play defense and was bigger.
I could care a less about Jimmers "work ethic". You could say earl
watson has a great work ethic but that didn't turn him into an All-Star. Thedays
of a player spending their entire careers with one team are over unless that
team wins championships. I would rather have a championship than
"heart" or "work ethic" any day of the week. Heart and Work
ethic only win in the movies.
"Jimmer Fredette says he's not just a shooter."Utah'95
says he's better looking than Brad Pitt.What we say about ourselves
often doesn't mean as much as what others think about us.That being
said, I wish Jimmer well at the next level. He demonstrated a freakish ability
to creat his own shot and knock it down from downtown in college. I can't wait
to see how his game translates to the NBA.
JazzRule--then don't read the posts. It's as simple as that.JazzSource--I quote you, "Jimmer has to answer some legitimate questions
in these workouts because considering his size and the position he will have to
play he has to become a big-time passer and a much better defender."Yep, I am pretty sure he has answered your questions with stellar and
"legitimate" workouts for several teams. I'm also fairly sure he has
exceeded expectations and shut a lot of naysayers up regarding his supposed
lackluster D. It's getting old holding onto this myth. Let's get w/ the program
and follow the action as he is the real deal whether you hate him or not. JF
will go top 10 in the draft--enough said regarding his well rounded
talents.....any other questions he needs to answer? :-) Hmmmm, probably not. Go
"Weiner/Jimmer 2012'I second that!
KOC doesn't have ultra-tight lips. You just have to listen real hard and digest
everthing he does say. Which is what makes me worried. My personal preference
for this draft is to take Jonas Valenciunas at 3 (energetic, hard working,
tenatious big which is rare) and Jimmer at 12 as a backup PG and slides to the
SG when some instant O is needed.I'm worried because, paraphrasing
'I don't think you show (your a complete basketball player) in 30 minutes ...
our evaluation will be on his 4 years in college, especially his last 2'. That
strongly suggests that, with KOC, Jimmer can't escape his college performance.
He was not good (that's being kind) defending in college.The only
possible way Jimmer is in a Jazz uniform is if KOC decides to go big at 3 and
Jimmer is available at 12. That's extremely unlikely eventhough it's my
preferred choice. We'll see
Here's the thing about Jimmer: He has a great work ethic and the desire to be
the best.Many of the top picks are top picks based on their physical
abilities and God-given body. Many aren't ambitious, many don't have a great
work ethic, many won't work to improve. These young guys picked after their
freshman year, many will be crap-shoots.Karl Malone got better each
and every offseason. He found an aspect in his game to improve and he worked.
Many of these guys, even many of the top 10, won't do that.Jimmer
will work his butt of until the day he retires. He will improve each year. He
may or may not be a star, but there is ZERO chance he will be a bust or a wasted
Jazz Source | 1:29 p.m. June 16, 2011 Alpine, UTWhat did Jimmer do
in the BYU offense?Shoot alot and play very little defense. Did he
pile up the assists there? Did he make all his team mates alot better? Or was he
the whole show?-------------Here's the thing about an
assist: the guy you pass to has to hit the shot for it to be an assist. Jimmer
passed, sometimes they hit the shot, sometimes they didn't. Perhaps you forgot
he had 10 assists against San Diego State and a player who is supposed to be a
top 10 pick on the strength of his defense.
Whether there's a hard salary cap beginning next year could factor into what
happens on draft day. Some major trading could happen to make all of the mock
drafts way off. It'll be interesting to see what teams do because of next year's
uncertainty in the new CBA.That said, with as weak as this draft is
in long-term talent, the first half dozen or so picks will lap up the best that
this draft has to offer. So, I think the Jazz' 12th pick won't amount to much,
unless they luck into a sleeper. They'll have another lottery pick next year to
try again for a big.Whoever the Jazz pick at 3 will have to be
someone they really like--a lot. No questionable issues. They can't afford to
mess up in this draft after losing D-Will and picking up talent that might take
a few years to gel, or even stay with the team.Jimmer's the most
polarizing draftee in a long, long time, if ever. Be interesting to see where he
actually ends up.
What did Jimmer do in the BYU offense?Shoot alot and play very
little defense. Did he pile up the assists there? Did he make all his team
mates alot better? Or was he the whole show?Does that sound like
what the Jazz need?Scouts look at the entire body of work and they
can only go on what the player has shown in games.No wonder people
have questions about Jimmer. NBA teams (that have any plans to win anything
worthwhile) must have players that can defend one and hopefully 2 positions.Jimmer has to answer some legitimate questions in these workouts because
considering his size and the position he will have to play he has to become a
big-time passer and a much better defender.
I can't wait until the draft is over and the Jazz have officially passed on
Jimmer. As of late the Jimmerites have made this board insufferable.
The scouts who actually watch a lot of film already knew Jimmer was quick, fast
and could play D whenever he wanted. The ideas that Jimmer is just a shooter and
too short was a media thing. After DAL winning and the workouts those
perceptions have started to change. The workouts don't change
Jimmers draft status much. There is 4 years of film on him. ALL of
the GMs are positioning. The latest consensus drafts have the real
shooting guards going after 12. The Jazz need shooters who can defend. They
need a replacement for AK (maybe immediately). If the Jazz did
nothing more than get an AK replacement out of this draft they would do well.
They should also strengthen the bench.I expect the Jazz to try to
cut salary to a degree in the draft. They are almost forced to go
big or PG with the 3. Then they will work a trade. At 12 they have lots of
options. I think Jimmer makes some sense for the Jazz regardless of
who they take at 3. He can shoot. It will take 2 years to get the
roster and chemistry to settle down.
The question isn't whether or not the Jazz like Jimmer and if they would like to
draft him, the question is who do they take at 3? Kanter, Jonas V., Jimmer or
Knight. To me Jimmer is everybit as good as Knight (better now & potential
wise too), so if Knight could be taken at 3, so could Jimmer. I prefer a big at
the 3 , but Jimmer won't be there at 12, so how good can he be and how much can
he bring to the table? Is he worth picking at 3?
I think an excellent strategy for the Jazz is to learn which teams beneath the
No. 3 pick (4-6) have high interest for Brandon Knight. Then, the Jazz could
pick Knight and then use him to trade for Fredette, which would then give the
Jazz another pick or player on top of receiving Fredette.
That is wise not to gush openly about Jimmer, why give encouragement to the
opposition to take him? Anyway, the Jazz must take him at 3.
Corbin's surprise is a little bit of a tip, in spite of O'Connor's tight lips.
However, KOC did indicate that he believes Jimmer is comfortable in his own
skin.That kind of maturity is something the Jazz have always liked.
I've only seen bits and pieces about the various interviews, but it seems
Jimmer's been impressive in them.Maturity is what got Matthews so
far along in his career when injuries got him playing time.Of all
the players in the draft, Jimmer and Kanter have had the best possibility of
going higher in the draft than they might first have been tabbed. They seem to
be taking advantage of that.I like that Jimmer didn't diss his
friend (Kemba). Same with Kemba giving good vibes on Jimmer. Is what
sportsmanship is all about.