I know who won American Idol too but, it doesn't mean I care. I respect his
skills and think he was a very impressive college player. Sometimes that carrys
over to the NBA and sometimes not. I read most of the sports articles on the
Dnews but a lot of times it's just passing time.
Thanks Jesse I probably misinterpreted your earlier comment. I do agree that
if 4 of the college players who pulled out had stayed in Kanter, Knight etc
would be down a few spots. What is missing are top 10 bigs who have
some game film that suggests they are reasonable risks.As far as
coming across highly opinionated that is probably true. I also am wrong a fair
amount of the time. And my position changes as I get more or better information.
However, I appreciate the reality check from time to time so when I
say something that is obviously wrong or that you disagree with please jump in.
To me you discover more of the truth if you have several camera
angles. Right now I am not sure about the 3 pick (unless Williams
falls or a great trade develops) I lean toward Knight because Kanter has so
little to go on. Does anyone know about Kanter's inside moves and
rebounding. I suspect the Jazz may go with Valanciunas as he should
gain 20 pounds in the next few years. Right now he is listed as 240. He is
longer and safer and has a playing record.
i just hope...that if we get knight...he wont be a westbrook kind of player...i
mean...its russel westbrick...throws 20 shots hits a third...
@ davidutefan,The fact you're here reading the comments is why the
SLC papers keep talking about Jimmer. People are reading it!BTW, TP
"over" is easier to unroll.
Look Bugoff, i'm not saying cite your opinions, i'm saying you don't come off as
giving your opinion. You sound as if you are auditioning for NBA insider job
when you post. You come off as so matter of fact, such as 'Jimmer WILL take 2
years to develope...' rather than 'I think Jimmer will...'. Sorry to make it
personal, because I appreciate all opinions on here. That is why I come to this
site daily. I know you're knowledgeable, as most probably do.Now
about your opinion on comparing this years #3 to Deron I have to completely
disagree. This draft is much weaker as far as star talent goes. 2005 gave the
NBA Bogut, Deron, Paul, Felton, Bynum & Granger and 2nd rounders Ellis,
Blatche & Gortat. I don't know that any body available at #3 fits in there.
Now if you throw in Favors (#3 in '10), Harris (#5 in '04) and this years #3
then I think the comparison of Deron and whoever ends up at #3 is irrelevant and
not on KOC's mind.
The Jazz would be smart to take Jimmer with the #3 pick, since there aren't any
players who are head and shoulders above him. He would be a solidifying player
for the roster. The Jazz right now have a borderline D league roster. They are
no threat to any team that has a legitimate opportunity for a run at a
championship, principally because their front court has numerous deficiencies on
both ends of the court. The backcourt is simply a joke. Take Jimmer and let's
work on improving the other positions. Bye bye Kirilenko is a given.
The Jazz FO spent alot of time over in Europe, I wonder how interested they are
in Jonas V. , or Vesely? Montejunas and BB could be picks at 12. To bad
there won't be a summer league, these kids could use the exsposure to the Jazz
system and coaching they would get.Favors is the big question to me, will
he work his B off and come back much improved? He has great potential , how long
will it take to develop? Will he be a big scorer? Hayward showed he will
work hard and he showed his shooting and scoring will be where we need it to be.
He should have a very good year this next season.To me Knight is a clone
of Harris but he does have a better jump shot. I would rather have Jimmer,
Jimmer wants to prove he can be a true point and not just a scorer.
Kanter is going to be the MAN in a couple of years! Mark my words. Jazz draft
Kanter and Jimmer if Kings and Bucks pass on him.
Great college player. At the next level, only time will tell but, are the Salt
lake papers capable of going a day without mentioning him? what's next? I'd like
to know if his toilet paper is over or under. This is starting to have a
"Utah Idol" feel to it.
Jimmer will go between 4-8. jazz wont get him. I really wish they would make a
trade to get him at 4. I think he is worth it. Perhaps even at 3.
Jimmer is first and foremost a competitor, a lightsout scorer, and someone who
likes to prove the naysayers wrong.If he's available at #12, the
Jazz would be foolish to pass on Jimmer.
The more I see & read about this draft - this is what I would consider
viable3 - Jimmer - ( williams - tweener, Knight = Harris, Kanter =
mystery)12 - Hamilton, Singleton, Leonard or Thompsonor Trade
with Washinton 3 & Bell for 6 & 18This will at least give as
some good role players, and then with our 2 picks next year hopefully get lucky
in a deeper draftIt will take us at least 2/3 years to get back to
compete for the top 6 in the West, so we might as well work and set up for a
Many of you say it is a weak draft. I haven't seen the others play except in the
tournament. I saw some nice players.But i have seen Jimmer play
nearly every game in the last two years. He is a generational player. He is
exceptional. He will be a great NBA player. Jimmer is an unstoppable assassin.
The tougher the competition, the better he plays. He can pass and he can
defend.Can he guard Kobe? No, and Kobe won't be able to guard
Jimmer. NBA is all about team defense. Many, many NBA players can't be guarded
one on one.I'd take him #1. He is simply special and he'll prove it.
He won't be around by 12. Take him if you get a chance.If you don't
draft him, you have to guard him.
i think there are still contract problems with rubio...so If williams goes
number 1...minnesota might opt for Irving...and we might have
kanter...also...Jonas Valaciunas...stock is a bit rising...he might go 3...
If drafted by the Jazz, what jersey number does Jimmer take? "32" is
I tend to agree with Rainin Time. I get the impression from KOC that he has
already made up his mind that he does not want Jimmer for whatever reasons. He s
is "used to the Boos". That was part of one of his answers indirectly
I'll chime in, but I come through the lense of a BYU fan and a more of a Jazz
observer the last few years, than a paying customer.First, I don't follow
the Jazz as much as I do BYU because of a disconnect with the Millers, KOC, Ty
Corbin and most all Jazz players. The only players I like are Millsap and
Hayward, mainly because those two give 100% when I do watch.Second,
KOC's poker face and comments tell me the Jazz will not take Jimmer, nor Walker.
The Jazz want Knight or Williams, if available. Those two are who I think they
want for their #3 pick. I think the Jazz are assuming Williams won't be
available @ 3 so they'll take Knight and Jimmer will be gone maybe at 7 with
Sac. However, if Jimmer is available at 12, and the Jazz picked
Knight at 3, they won't take Jimmer and I have no idea who they'll take.Lastly, I do think Phoenix will take Jimmer at 13 and thus I, and most
that I know, will remain disconnected from the Utah Jazz.
Now Jessie on your last comment. DWill was drafted at 3 as I recall. A 3rd pick
in the draft should produce a player of DWill's quality. I am asking
a rhetorical question. Is Jimmer as good as DWill? If he is then he should be
drafted at 3. If he is not then the Jazz (if they want him) should try to move
down and get more resources assuming they do not think they can get him at 12.
There is no guarantee that Kanter, Knight, Irving, Williams or
Valanciunas are as good as DWill. In my opinion Knight and Valanciunas are 2 of
the safer picks since Williams is a tweener and Kanter and Irving have very
limited or no college playing time. Jimmer at least has 4 years of
game film. His ability to defend is no surprise to those who have watched him
for years. However, it is a revelation to those who do not follow him but only
lap up what the media dispense. The Jazz know Jimmer well. This
workout was to look at Kemba and measure him against Jimmer (my opinion). From now on you can cite everything you write.
With all due respect to Ty Corbin, his positive comments about Jimmer (which
echoed a number of pro coaches, personnel, players, etc.) just reinforces the
perception a growing number of fans have about professional ranks: how come it
takes you guys so long to recognize talent?? Jimmer has been on just about every
kind of visual media, and you guys are the last to know about him. Actually, the football "pros" are no better: they have a very
difficult time drafting the right players for their teams. One would think the
so called experts would act more like, well, "experts".
Okay Jessie. I watched the video of Kanter that was available and he hit several
3s pretty much at will. He was fluid and comfortable on spot up and moving. My comments on Kanter playing the 3 were somewhat tongue in cheek as I
know he is not an SF but neither is Millsap, Williams nor Morris. He is just as
fast and just as quick as Williams. He is quicker and faster than the others
mentioned. I also watched the KY game and video on Knight. He is
just as fast as Rose (combine stat) and he drives and shoots well which is
obvious from his videos in real games. He is a much better shot than Harris
especially from deep.Your main complaint appears to be the writing
style and perhaps you just disagree which is fine. Sometimes I post cites and
sometimes I do not. Often I have read the material in the past and do not
remember the specific cite but most people who post on here do not cite
anything. As you said it is opinion cited or otherwise. Even if it
is cited so what. It is just someones opinion.
I am putting together a cartell to purchase the Jazz...I need another 350
million and we can do it...then we can draft Jimmer.
I'm going to vote for Bugoff to stop trying to sound like he's an NBA insider.
Everyone comes on here and gives their opinions and that is what this is all
about. But come on Bugoff, you're not David Aldridge, you're not Stein, you're
not Ford and you're not even Locke. You have access to all of the same
information as the rest of us, at least give some sources instead of passing it
off like you're reporting. You're feeding a lot of misinformation. 'Kanter can play the 3' - No he can't.'Kanter shoots the 3 as good
as Memo' - I'm not really a Memo fan but no way. I think people used to say that
about Kosta Koufos.'Knight is more like Rose' - Really?'If you essentially take Jimmer at 3 (or trade the 3 to get him) is he as good
as DWill?' - Different drafts, and include Favors & Harris in that
comparison.Sorry to sound so harsh, but it gets overwhelming. I'm
guessing i'm not the only one.
2010/2011 assists per game: Brandon Knight 4.2
Jimmer Fredette 4.3 Kemba Walker 4.5Y
Anyone who thinks Jimmer only views himself as a ball-hog scorer hasn't paid
close attention to his college career.If you look at just his
highlights, he seems like a ball hog. But, if you look at what he does when his
teammates are cooperating, he knows how to run a team and can make great
assists.Even in the Jazz workout, Kemba credited him with great
passes.Jimmer will do just fine running a team like the Jazz where
you have multiple scoring options, including pick-and-rolls, passing out to
shooters, and handing off to bigs when the layup isn't there. And, Jimmer's
strong enough to take bumps and finish.I never missed a Jimmer game
and paid attention to these things. It's too bad his overall teammate situation
was so slim in talent. Just ONE other decent producer would've ended up with BYU
as NCAA champ. They were that close.No way Jimmer would've shot as
poorly as Kemba did with the weak defense that was being played in that
championship game. Even the announcers were aghast most of the game.
Givony has always had Kanter higher than most, the unknown is scaring people.
Givony has had Jonas V. at 3 quit a bit of the time.If the Jazz take
Knight,I hope BB is available at 12.
Jazz Source: Your acting like Jimmer can't be a pass first point guard, Nash
came into the league like Jimmer as a shoot first , offensive point guard. Tim
Legler thinks Jimmer can be like Nash and says he reminds him of Nash. If Jimmer
is asked to pass he will, the fact he can score just makes him a threat and
opens things up. David Locke had a scout on and he says Jimmer is a much
better passer than people think and will make the adjustments he needs to to be
effective. He really like Jimmer.
the draft is getting messed up...Kanter falling to 6 at some mock
drafts...Jimmer moving up...guess this is why being a GM is stressful...you dont
want to make a bad decision...when everyone is out there to get you if you
did...i hope they draft on talent...rather than need this year...and we could
draft for need next year...we have at least a top 8 pick with golden state...who
knows next year's draft should be loaded and we end up taking Perry Jones @
8...who ever is best at 3 and at 12 get them....if the brass thinks jimmer would
be the future PG of the Jazz...then trade up using the 12...rather than trading
down...from the 3...
Bug: Knight is by far more like Harris than Rose, the only thing he has in
common with Rose is speed and so does Harris, Harris is actually 10 pounds
heavier. The worry is that Knight may not fill out and will end up exactly like
Harris. I hope he doesn't but we don't know. Jonas V , isn't anything like
Tomic, Tomic is soft and like to play like Garnett, at the junction. Jonas like
to play pick and roll and plays around the rim. Jonas is a good rebounder and
has a 7'6 wingspan. Jonas may take a yr or two to develop but he would be a
good pick.My preference is still Kanter, but Jonas would be better than
@ Larry Curtis.The video was good. Video of Jimmer v Kemba? That
would have been awesome.I figured that the Jzz would be dumb to not
take Jimmer at 12, but worried he might not be there. As these workouts
continue, I'm no longer thinking 'worried' but rather I'm confident the boy will
be gone by 12.The Jazz need to figure out a way to get him. I mean,
if there was a player made for this franchise, since Stockton, it's Jimmer. You take Williams at 3, if available.If not, I'm starting to
believe you gotta take Jimmer. No question I'd take him over Kemba, Knight, and
MenaceToSociety: Get you facts right before you post, you obviously hate Jimmer,
but the facts are he outplayed Walker. Scotty G, said everyone he asked said
Jimmer outplayed Walker, some thought he dominated some said, he just clearly
outplayed Kemba. What is your problem?Scotty G, said he talked to alot of
people that watched and had the same response from everyone.
anyone but the jazz for jimmer
Jimmer for pick threeeeeeeeeee!
@Larry CurtisYes I watched all 5 and enjoyed them. Kevin O'Connor is
never much of an interview because he won't tell you anything. I thought Corbin
was a little bit more candid without tipping his hand. I actually really liked
the Kemba clip, I was impressed with how he handled the questions posed to
him.In all they added to it nicely. I would enjoy having more of
them although I'm sure I would be selective in the ones I take the time to
watch. This article was particularly good because the subject is of high
interest and made me want to watch all of the video. I doubt I would watch much
of ones I'm not interested in.
If you listen to the interviews after the workout, both Kemba and Jimmer were
both very gracious and well spoken. The interviewers in the Jimmer interview
asked him questions about his performance while the same interviewers in the
Kemba piece asked him questions about Jimmer. I wish Jimmer well and I think he
will have a nice career in the NBA. However, this Jimmermania nonsense is really
making people look bad. Those reporters should be ashamed of themselves. Have
enough class to ask Kemba about his performance the same way you asked Jimmer
about his. Good thing Jimmer was classy and gave some props to Kemba because
the SLC media surely did not. This is what the Jazz brass should be very
worried about when deciding whether or not to select Jimmer. Jimmer won't be
the one influencing the Jazz not to select him (he's a good enough player), it
will be the media and the unrealistic fan expectations.
The extended video coverage was nice. Usually on the news you only get the
soundbite but it was nice to get a better feel for the person based on a longer
video feed, and this is a perfect venue for that longer video clip. It would
have been nice to get an extended video of Ty Corbin (OConner is too poker faced
about these things)haha. So yes, do this some more.
The Jazz are nuts if they don't take him. Wherever Jimmer goes, I'm rooting for
them including when they play the Jazz. Let's face it, every big man the Jazz
draft hasn't worked out in the long term. Either they don't fit, don't play,
don't work, don't stay free of injuries, the Jazz just never pick a good big
man. So I don't trust them this year either. So choose a guard and choose
I love Jimmer Fredette, but he is not the #3 pick in this draft. The move I'd
like to see is drafting Kanter and then seeing if Washington wants him. If they
will trade 6 and 18 for Kanter, the Jazz should jump at it.Then they
can try to draft for multiple needs--small forward with Kawhi Leonard at 6, a
point guard at 12 (Jimmer or Kemba), then a shooting guard at 18 (Marshon Brooks
from Providence will be available).All four of the players have
great upsides, know how to be team players, and are extraordinarily
competitive.The Jazz would get the two best scorers in the NCAA last
year and a monstrous rebounder. The three together will cost you less than six
million bucks per year.
worf | 4:42 p.m. June 15, 2011 Mcallen, TX "So what?
What's he suppose to say?---I won't fit in and don't like it here?"Isn't that what Jimmer told the Bucks last week?
He's going to be a King in Central Cali.
Ernesto de Bajo | 4:12 p.m. June 15, 2011 Albuquerque, NM "After every workout hasn't Jimmer said this? "I'd fit into the
system."So what? What's he suppose to say?---I won't fit in and
don't like it here?Lighten up Ernesta.
Jimmer is a flat out scorer and dominates the ball, as he should have as the #1
talent at BYU but I ask....does that sound like Jazz offense to you?Then I think you have your answer.This guy would be an awesome two
guard but unfortunately he is too short to play or guard that position in the
NBA.What did the Jazz do with their last PG that was their leading
scorer? Trade.Who was the last team that won an NBA championship
with their PG as their go-to scorer? You will be looking a loooooong ways
back.I'm sure all of these valid questions will be ignored by the
Jimmer massess but they need to be answered.Truthfully I don't
believe their is a chance the Jazz will use the #3 pick for Jimmer (if they keep
it) and he won't be there at 12 which will absolve the Jazz of getting blamed
for not picking him.Not sure what all they hype is about given the
realities of what is likely to happen.
O'Conner is quick to state that, while Jimmer may draw crowds in the beginning,
if he washes out, those crowds will fade. Let's just say, if O'Conner misses
getting Jimmer, the Jazz wash out immediately in the minds of the fans, and the
crowds will never be back.
Thinking back to the year the Jazz took D Will over Chris Paul, they have always
had an affection for pass first point guards (Mr. Stockton for example). It may
come down to who the Jazz think is a better passer amongst the point guards.
Anyone ever see Jimmer make a pass? Please, someone tell me yes.
Oh, oh. Listening to the Kevin O'Connor interview he had some very nice things
to say about Kemba and Knight comes in tomorrow.......
Dear readers, does the video add to this article for you? Did you watch it? Your
input is appreciated.
After every workout hasn't Jimmer said this? "I'd fit into the
system."That's a throw-away. If he worked out for 25 teams he
would probably say it 25 times.
Jazz should draft Jimmer at #3 because...1. He wont be around at the #12
spot. He is too good to be hanging around at #12. Milwaukee or Sacramento will
snag him, maybe even Cleveland.2.This is a weak draft year. I realize at
the #3 spot you want someone with superstar potential. Jimmer has superstar
potential. Besides, no one else has superstar potential written all over them.
Why take the gamble on someone else?3.I admit Enes Kanter is sweet. If the
Jazz pick Kanter at #3 in hopes to get Jimmer at #12, I would not be too
disappointed. However, the Jazz need a PG. Between Brandon Night, Kemba Walker,
and Jimmer Fredette, Jimmer is the better pick.
Jazz will take Knight at 3 and a defensive forward/center at 12. Good luck to
I did a study the other day on size. Jimmer and even Kemba are about average
among the top 20 or so PGs. They are undersized for SGs (average about
6"5"). They are somewhat undersized for general Gs. A
combination of Jimmer and Brooks could be a good thing for the Jazz. Hayward
would move to SF until the Jazz got another one. Jimmer and Biyombo
could also be interesting. I am not a Biyombo fan and the combo is high risk
but Biyombo can play D. He would have to be paired with Millsap or someone who
could score at will from the PF probably on the 2nd team. Jimmer and
Vesley if he falls could be interesting. Anyway the Jazz need the
best combination of players who will help them the most. If you assume Jimmer
is THE ANSWER at PG then you trade the 3 pick down and get him and extra
compensation. He could play SG but will have trouble defending the
likes of Kobe or even Mathews. The Jimmer mania should calm down as
this is his last scheduled work out. If CLE schedules him then you can worry.
@ In My Humble Opinion,Thanks for doing that research! S'what I've
been sayin'!Size isn't that important. Heart is more important.
Desire is too. And the ONLY bball guy in probably 50 years with Jimmer's range?
How do you defend that when he has such a wicked cross-over?I'd hate
to be the team that DOESN'T draft Jimmer.
@ Bugoff,You're right. Knight wouldn't fit in the Jazz offense
because of his slight build. Kind of like Harris hasn't.Jimmer's
beefiness, however, fits right in!
It is generally assumed that DET takes a Euro big (probably Biyombo or Vesley).
CHA needs an SF/SG more than they need a PG (Augustine). MIL said today they are
not taking Jimmer. That leave GS. They might take Jimmer if they move one of
thier Gs. The biggest problem is some non lotto team moving up into
the top ten. All of the players available to the Jazz have some to a
lot of risk at 3. Jimmer is not likely to move before 7 so the Jazz should be
able to trade down. However, that means Jimmer is the face of the
Jazz. Top 3 picks should be great players like Durant, DWill or at least very
good players like Hardin. If you essentially take Jimmer at 3 (or
trade the 3 to get him) is he as good as DWill? That is the dilemna
the Jazz face. Millers could simply call KOC and say get Jimmer. I
want him. This decision is on me. I don't think they will do that unless they
feel very stongly about it. As long as Jimmer produces on court he
is the perfect face for the Jazz organization.
Knight is actually more like Rose than Harris. There is enought film on Knight
to know he is going to be very good. However, with his slight build (will grow)
he may not be the best fit for Utah and its screens. Kanter is much
more athletic than AJ and Kanter can hit the 3 about as well a Memo. The film is
old and tells very little. Kanter is high risk mainly because he has no recent
game film. He has the tools to play D and tends to bang so it is assumed that he
can learn to play D. Williams is not really an SF. He is good and
CLE would trade to get him if the Jazz picked him at 3. The Raps
want a PG (probably Kemba) but Utah could maybe trade Harris for Derozan and a
pick for next year while trading down to 5?The Wiz want Kanter and
Utah might be able to trade him for Jimmer and consideration but that is risky.
SAC may or may not want Jimmer worse than anybody else on the board.
If they do not take him he probably falls to 12.
I was a told Walker worked Fredette, and Cougar fans from the media who were
there were mad at Walker for it. With how whack FredetteNation is
right now, how insufferable will they be if the Jazz draft Fredette? I can here
it now - Fredette is way better than Devon Harris and Gordon Hayward, he needs
to start, play 40 minutes, and launch 25 shots per game. I've been a fan since
'79, and this situation might make me root for the Nuggets.Please,
Kings - take James Fredette at 7 and save the Jazz from themselves!
Bugoff | 1:17 p.m. June 15, 2011 Houston, TXJimmer and Kemba
... are undersized.--------Compared to whom?Rajon
Rondo, 6'1" Derek Fisher, 6'1"Steve Nash, 6'3" (I
call baloney on that one)JJ Barea, 6'0" (ROFL! That there was
funny!)Jason Kidd, 6'4"Derek Rose 6'3"Mike Conley,
6'1"C3PO, 6'0"Tony Parker, 6'2"Raymond Felton,
6'1"Ty Lawson, 5'11"Russell Westbrook, 6'3"Andre Miller, 6'2" (tough, rebounder and Jimmer size)Chauncey
Billups, 6'3"Mario Chalmers, Mike Bibby 6'2"Jameer Nelson
6'0"Devin Harris, 6'3"-----------If you
believe the numbers, then 6 of the 17 PG above are taller than Jimmer. I don't
believe the numbers. I'm guessing it is half that.Only 2 titles
owned by the 2 PG on the list taller than Jimmer has a title.There
are 12 titles owned by the PG Jimmer's height or smaller.The two
6'3" MVPs don't have titles.According to measurements, Jimmer
has "wide shoulders and long arms," and great strength. I think he is
plenty big enough. And plenty skilled and competitive enough.
In the "Does anyone know how to score?" NCAA final, where it was NOT
great defense that kept players from scoring, Kemba shot 5-19 from 2 and 0-4
from 3. He even got a shot blocked because of his lack of height.But
he did compete, and his team won. I'll give him that. He's a winner.However, it's not surprising he had a bad shooting day against Jimmer, and
that he couldn't stop Jimmer from scoring, as reported in this DNews article.The gist of this workout from DNews is that Kemba got Jimmered.Even Coach Corbin was surprised at how much quicker Jimmer was than he
expected.Kemba even gave Jimmer props about being a PG in the NBA,
including ability to make great passes. Kemba's a good kid, but he's no
Jimmer.I'll remain on Jimmer's bandwagon, even if the Jazz don't get
him. The kid's a stud!But, I hope the Jazz do get him. They need a
scoring PG that can also break down defenses in mulitple ways, which should get
him a lot of assists.I see a future backcourt duo of Jimmer and
Hayward as dominating.
I wasn't sold on Jimmer after the season was over. Now that every work out he
has done he has dominated in, I think I am SOLD. I think the Jazz should trade
down the 3rd pick a few spots and get him. This draft is weak and if we can get
him at 6-7,, let's do it! He will be a huge get for the Jazz. I'm completly sold
now. I guess I can say I got Jimmered!
I didn't think it was possible, but the Jazz MIGHT, and that is a big might,
take Freddete at # 3. It is looking more and more like he will not be available
at 12.The thing about Jimmer is that he always rises to the occasion. He
always steps up when the pressure is on. His fire is what makes him such a
special player.Those who have watched him play on a consistent basis
pretty much have the same opinion about him--he will be effective at the next
level. There is no doubt in my mind--I've seen one too many crossovers, pop and
shoots in the blink of an eye, from well beyond the three point line to doubt
it. His skill set is so unique, that despite what the prognosticators want to
say I am positie that he WILL be successful in the pros. How fast it will happen
all depends on which team he is a part of.So do the Jazz take Fredette at
3 when they can get him...or do they follow the currents of popular opinion and
take some other player that is supposedly more fit for an NBA career?
Thank goodness the draft is next week and we only have to endure seven more days
of conjecture, guesswork, probability and whatnot. I will be a
Jimmer fan no matter which team chooses him. (As long as it's not the Lakers)
I was warming up to Kanter after viewing his Nike Summit highlights from 2 yrs
ago and hearing how athletic he is in workouts and at the combine. He still might be a good player, but what concerned me is watching the
dxexpress breakdown of his HS games (no defense, lack of effort) and watching
some old Kosta Kufos videos. Kufos had highlights playing overseas where he was
dominating on both ends of the floor, and he had a good year at Ohio St. I can
only find offensive highlights of Kanter- concerning. He could be another Al
Jefferson who can score, but there is little to no defense, and why would we
draft the same type of player for the same position?Vesely is tall,
very active and athletic, but has a horrible shot and can't defend fast wing
players or strong forwards- so where does he fit in?Jonas V. is a
2-4 yr project who has to get bulkier to have an impact in the NBA. He could be
a shorter Tomic, who will probably never play for the JAzz.So,
unless Williams or Irving unexpectedly fall, is the #3 pick really worth it?
The more I see and read about Knight, the more I am convinced that his ceiling
is- guess who?- Devin Harris. They are almost identical in size (DHarris weighs
about 10 lbs more) and neither is a true PG. Instead, they are quick and
athletic and mainly played SG/off guard or as a scoring point prior to the NBA.
Over and over again I read how Knight is going to have to learn to see the court
and become a better passer. Aren't those the traits that you want in a PG? If
they are fast, can score and defend those are secondary traits that are nice to
have in your PG. Notwithstanding all of the rhetoric, Knight is a bit of a
gamble as a PG at #3, and you have to wonder if he will be that much better than
Walker or Jimmer, if better at all.
Not to Jazz . . . spare us the drama. Politely note Jimmer's abilities and send
him on his way.
ute alumni | 1:57 p.m. June 15, 2011 Tengoku, UT "david
james said that jimmer dominated kemba". But doesn't/hasn't/won't Jimmer
Besides his lights-out shooting ability, Jimmer has developed a very unique
skill set. With his better than average quickness and what he has done in
work-outs, I think he will be off the board by the 12th pick.If the Jazz
want him, they will have to make a move.
david james said that jimmer dominated kemba
Rubio has had a change of course today (for the moment) on coming over this
year. He is talking to his Spanish team about playing this year in Spain. So MN
may be taking Knight at 2. That changes everything. Williams may be
available at 3. But the whole guard scene moves up. With Knight gone at 2 Walker
and Jimmer move up the board for teams who want PGs. This thing is
fluid and will get more turbulent. Others beside Jimmer are moving up the board.
Klay Thompson, Burks and Singleton are also moving up. Nobody knows
if the Euros are dropping. Vesley could drop to 12. I doubt if KOC
knows who he is going to draft. I also suspect there is not a lot of difference
in the ratings of several players. The Jazz are reported as actively
seeking trades down. A combo of Jimmer and Vesley could be interesting. The big question is why would TOR or SAC trade if they need a PG and
Knight goes at 2? Or why would the WIZ trade if they are confident Kanter falls
to them at 6?This draft is a zoo.
Once again, the Jazz need to take him at 3 instead of hoping he is still around
at 12. He won't be around at 12. The ones who are against Jimmer don't look
at what he can do, and what he does, is better than any other player in the
draft, including many in the NBA. The guy can score. He would be a good
investment. If the Jazz get a top player we know what usually happens after the
initial contract expires, they are gone. As far as how he did at the workout
in front of Jazz brass, that doesn't matter. We already know what he can do.
He has proved it. The other draftees aren't as proven. The majority just happen
to be taller than him. The Jazz will have opportunities to get height, but
will not get any more opportunities to get a special player like Jimmer. It is
a weak draft as is and Jimmer is the most proven of the group. If the Jazz get
him some day he will actually compete to be the most popular Jazz player,
competing with Stockton and Malone. Mark my words. Hey Jazz, don't get
Haters will always hate. Just kidding, I've always wanted to say that overused
phrase even though it does not pertain to this article. Jazz just might pick
him at 3. Me thinks all the talk about a BIG MAN is deception, smoke and
mirrors, and strategy. Wait, just a sec. I'm on the phone "what's that
Greg.......uh huh....I see.....Ty wants him at 3 too" Done deal.
I'm so glad I don't have a job as one of those reporters. How annoying would it
be to have to stick a microphone in someone's face all day, while reaching and
competing with dozens of others? Do people really like doing that? Anyway, I'm glad I don't have to sit around and guess where these guys will
go. Just sit back and enjoy it people. It will be fun to turn on the TV and
watch where he goes. Any team that takes him will be VERY fortunate. Based on
how he's doing, he'll probably end up in the top 5. Proud to be a
fan of a team who has a player who was chosen to be the best player in the
Jimmer held his own with Kemba. That does put pressure on the Jazz to trade
down if they can get 5, 6, or 7 to cooperate and then use the extra resources to
move the 12 pick up. Taking Kanter @ 3 and using him in a trade is
risky. MN might take Kanter if they do not trade, then Williams is available at
3. CLE might pass on Irving and take Williams and the best PG at 4 if they do
not trade up. There is a lot going on. Jimmer and Kemba
are different styles of PG. Teams who liked Kemba are still going to like him
but Jimmer may have helped himself with later lotto teams. Both are undersized
but both have enough experience an ability to contribute next year (probably not
as starters). Jimmer is better than the doubters claim but he will
still take 2 years to develop as a PG AND his ability to run a team better than
Harris remains to be seen.
I read a report that said Kemba had an off shooting day, and had trouble keeping
Jimmer from scoring. That said, either of these guys at 12 would be a great
pickup. I'm not sure I'm sold on Knight at #3, especially if Williams is
available (and the Kanter guy = total mytery, which usually does not bode
well...you use late picks for those types).
We know Jimmer worked out today, that is NOT news. We all want to know how did
it go? Did Jimmer dominate? seriously, give us something!
Note to Jazz ... please select Jimmer.
Does anyone know how it went?