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  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    June 18, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    @bigsoccer "Its really funny how you guys threaten to beat BYU with and be good with Jordan Wynn, he isn't good." Tell that to Iowa State who had 68 points laid on them by Wynn and company, the same Iowa State and who by the way beat The University of Texas in Austin last year; let's see if BYU can match what Iowa State did; I highly doubt it.

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    June 17, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    Its really funny how you guys threaten to beat BYU with and be good with Jordan Wynn, he isn't good.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 17, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    Yeah, TCU who's already been invited into a BCS-Confernce and played in two BCS Bowl-Games, winning one, and BSU who's won two BCS Bowl-Games, just like UTAH....byu is a second-tier non-BCS school who'll NEVER even sniff a BCS Bowl-Game....byu's akin to the bottom-feeder WAC-Schools they'll be playing this year....LOL

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 17, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    @wilary...You've obviously never had broken ribs or plurasy... obviously!!! Does it really matter where it hurts if it really hurts. Jim McMahon was hurt all the time but he still played and made numerous remarkable plays.. Sat out almost a whole quarter after re hyperextending an older knee injury but demanded to be put back in the game 20 points down and 4 minutes left and rallied his team and pulled off the biggest comeback in NCAA history against one of the nations' top running back tandems ever in Craig James and Eric Dickerson. When Wynn plays like McMahon then you can talk with some authority...otherwise coming from you it's an excuse.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    June 17, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    @CougfaninTexas
    Hmmmm...I think that you're underestimating USC, Sarkesian's Washington Huskies, Arizona State for sure and quite possibly Oregon State. Wynn's new wing still has to be proven and with a new set of running backs a thin offensive line already pointed out... and a couple of unseasoned new C backs on the defense I think the Utes are a little overrated. Besides you're not going to be anywhere close to haveing the full empliment of a complex new Norm Chow Offense anywhere close to being operational til near end of season the first year.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 17, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    Uteology

    You're dreaming. The only reason Utah won't be winless in September is because the Utes scheduled a cupcake to open the season.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 16, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX
    If you think Wynn can have serious shoulder surgery, skip spring practice, learn a new offensive scheme, be coached by a new coach and be 100% on his first game back; you don't know football.

    -------------

    In the first game back he'll be 50% against Montana State. Just like when he was 50% last year against BYU where he only needed 5 minutes of good play for a win.

    Now in week 2 vs USC we'll need him closer to 100% and then in week 3 vs BYU we can probably win with him at 50% again.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 16, 2011 4:16 p.m.

    JustGordon

    "Attention!! Attention!! Y fans are predicting another preseason National Championship for their boys in blue!!"

    Do you have a source?

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 16, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    Attention!! Attention!! Y fans are predicting another preseason National Championship for their boys in blue!! National Champions in 2011...BCS Championship Bowl bound! Again! Like always, reality is very late arriving in Provo.

    But fear not, Y fans, reality will arrive this year in mid September in the shape of Jordan Wynn and the PAC 12 Utes.

    May I predict here and now that regardless of how badly the Y loses, there will always be another reason for the loss other than the team that beat them was better? Dropped passes, missed calls, unlucky breaks will all be part of the excuse du jour. Always has been!

    I am amazed at all these Y fans who have nothing better to do than visit and comment on articles about Utah quarterbacks. One would have thought they would have expended all their time and energy commenting on Jimmer articles. Things must be especially show in Provo in June.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 16, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    williary

    Utah fan trash talk has now lowered itself to proclaiming that Washington State is a quality opponent.

    Even sadder.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    williary

    "proclaiming how good the University of Central Florida"

    Just pointing out how clueless Utah fans are about the teams they're trashing.

    UCF had a MUCH better season than Utah last year and there's no proof that UCF won't be better than Utah this year.

    "Utah plays 10 BCS-Schools this coming season"

    Wasn't Utah totally humiliated by two non-BcS schools last season?

    Since when is every BcS school in existence head-and-shoulders better than any non-BcS school; you're directly contradicting claims that Utah, as a non-BcS school, was better than any BcS school in 2004 and 2008.

    If Utah fans were at all rational, they'd understand that conference affiliation is meaningless as far as which individual teams are good or bad in a given year.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 16, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    @Swoop

    BYU fans trash talk has now lowered itself to proclaiming how good the University of Central Florida will be next year!

    That's just sad.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 16, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    @ Somewhat Truth Machine

    You make a great point. Nobody knows who any of these opponents will turn out. Of course nobody but the original poster who I was responding too.

    So are you saying there is a clear pattern to predict who will be good and who will not be? Seems to me that evaluating each team based on last year's play and what comes back is about as accurate a guess as you can make?

    I love how BYU fans will attempt to downgrade anyone Utah plays, while upgrading their own opponents.

    Texas will not be the Texas their name invokes. Better than last year, probably, but if you watched any of their games last season they have a lot of issues. Top 5 recruiting classes or not.

    TCU will clearly not be as good as they were. Losing Dalton, starting a guy who has taken 0 snaps previously, doesn't usually lead to consistent play like they've had. See BYU 2010, Utah 2009.

    UCF was ranked in 2010 FOR THE FIRST TIME, EVER. I'd say to expect that sort of effort this year goes against their entire history.

    But I'm sure all 3 end up top 10 teams!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 16, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    Swoop:

    "Get back to us when U finish your first 24-game winning streak with back-to-back Top 10 finishes and a concensus National Championship."

    Go ahead a break it all down for us on the teams which constituted this "24-game winning streak" and what the overall, cumulative-record of byu's "victim's" was, in particular during their "MYTHICAL NC" season, TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO.

    And for those of you touting UGA from last year, they finished 6-7 and 3-5 (SEC)....'Ole Miss was complete garbage and UT remains to be seen....I expect UT not to be as awful as they were last year, but as it was previously mentioned, now's the time to play them....I still can't believe they lost AT HOME to ISU and UCLA last year....WOW.

    UTAH plays 10 BCS-Schools this coming season, 11 if they win The PAC-12 South Division....ASU and USC should both start the season Top-25 and both schools play OSU....UTAH would most likely play UO or Stanford, if they reach The PAC-12 Championship Game....byu's schedule includes Idaho State and The WAC doormats....LOL

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    RD

    "USF plays in a competitive conference."

    You're calling the Big Least a "competitive conference"? The conference that was so fearful of losing their coveted BcS status that they invited a MWC team from half-way across the country to join them because they needed a team that would give the Big Least some credibility?

    UCF beat Georgia. You're seriously calling Georgia a nobody?

    It's funny how desperate Utah fans are to discount BYU's schedule. Texas, a perennial Top 10 team, is nothing. TCU, a team that destroyed Utah 7-47, is dog meat. Oregon State, a team from the "conference of champions," is a weakling.

    UCF will be better than many of the teams Utah plays in the PAC 12, certainly a lot better than Washington State.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    June 16, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Yes, the same UCF that is 0-4 against USF, 1-3 in bowl games, and was ranked for the first time ever last year. I am saying they are not a good team. USF plays in a competitive conference.
    I will give you that UCF did better than I thought last year, but I still think USF is a better team. Just because you call it the "Big Least" doesn't make it worse than CUSA. UCF doesn't play anybody.

  • Jute19 Poop, UT
    June 16, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    I didn't know that these boards had turned into the comics section on the DesNews. I am pretty sure, if I remember right, I said those losses were embarrassing. TCU V. Utah State... I would take getting beat any day by TCU. Any normal person would. Didn't BYU lose 4 in a row last year and start the season 2-5. Now that's embarrassing. An appearance in the New Mexico Bowl??? Embarrassing?? Keep coming at me with the rebuilding schtick. In you 'rebuilding analysis the Utes could go 7-6 this year and it would be a success. The Utes have less seniors this year than the 'rebuilding' Cougs had last year. Keep the jokes coming. It's somewhat entertaining.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold

    "UCF is not USF."

    You're correct. UCF is MUCH better

    2010
    UCF(11-3), #21/#20, C-USA champion
    USF(8-5), unranked, 3-4 in the Big Least

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    June 16, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    I'm a little confused as to how CougFaninTX can list Oregon State as a strong top team for BYU, and then list Oregon State as a weak team for the Utes.
    Texas could be ranked high, or they could have a mediocre season like last year. UCF is not USF. I am honestly confused as to how you can think that Ole Miss will even be ranked. But the biggest mystery is how OSU is a great team for BYU to play, but a laughable team for Utah. How can a team be ranked above itself?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    williary

    It's interesting how you switch between past and future in evaluating teams based on your own biases.

    Texas, even though they have a Top 5 recruiting classes nearly every year, will be bad because they weren't very good last year.

    TCU, even though they were a Top 5 team last season, will be bad because they're rebuilding.

    The fact, you don't have a clue how good or bad the teams on BYU's and Utah's schedules are going to be this coming season.

    Texas could have another down year, or the Longhorns could be a Top 10 team.

    USC could be great, or they could be just like Texas was last year.

    UCF was 11-3 last season, won the C-USA conference championship, beat Georgia in the Liberty Bowl, and finished #21 AP / #20 Coaches in the final polls, MUCH better than Utah.

    Try doing a little research before spouting off about UCF being no better than Wyoming.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 16, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    @Cougfanintx

    Time to look at those schedules and forget the names behind each game for BYU.

    Texas was 5-7 last year. They lost at home to UCLA and Iowa State. They were 2-6 in the mighty Big 12. Put aside the name and look at the facts. Texas was worse last year then they've been in a decade. If there was a time to play Texas it's now. They are just not a good football team. Likely better, but no where near what they were.

    Ole Miss is awful, period. The team they will field might be as good as the Iowa State team Utah throttled on the road last year. One of the 2-3 worst teams in the SEC.

    TCU has to completely reload. They'll be good, but again this will be their worst squad in the last 5 years. Top 25 team, probably, top 5 like the last couple years, not even close.

    UCF, Hawaii, OSU? Come on. OSU is an average BCS conference team. UCF and Hawaii are the equivalent of playing Wyoming.

    ASU and USC are both better than anyone BYU will play next year.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 16, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    @Swoop

    Only a BYU fan can deduct that a broken rib affects a QB's play as much as a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder.

    Time to get Health back on the ciriculum at BYU.

  • CG Orem, UT
    June 16, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Thanks for proving the point that it wasn't an injury, but simply an overrated team, that was responsible for Utah tanking the last half of the season.

  • CG Orem, UT
    June 16, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    sammyg

    Well said!

    The Utes finish a season 10-3, with no conference championship and three humiliating defeats in their last 5 games, and blame it all on a QB with a sore shoulder. And now, they're heading to the PAC 10.1.1beta with a wounded QB, a completely new set of skill players, a thin offensive line, and all new DBs, and somehow the Utes are going to take the PAC by storm, even though they've only managed to win 6 conference championships in the "much weaker" WAC/MWC in the last half century. A couple of relatively meaningless BcS wins and they think they're the next USC. In reality, they're the next Arizona, 30 years in the PAC and still waiting to smell the Roses.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 15, 2011 11:49 p.m.

    @Uteology

    You believe in the media? Yeah, I thought so.

    @Papa Smurf Ute

    I've never once said that I hate anything on this sports comment board. I'm just not a believer in this year's Ute team and last year I was correct in my assessment of the team, it was overrated. That's not hatred, it's an opinion.

    For a team that's supposedly going to a bigger and better conference I think the Utes are going to have their butts handed to them on a regular basis.

    That's an opinion and far from the bigoted rants that are thrown at BYU by many on these comment boards.

    How many yards did Thretton have in the Red and White game? Less than the total points the Utes put on the board against TCU, ND, and BSU. Just in case you forgot, total points were a whopping 13. As I recall Thretton gave you guys single digits this Spring.

    Hype your QB, your new LB (former QB) and anything else you can think of. My opinion is that the Utes going to the PAC 10.2 are.... overrated, just like 8-0 last season going into November.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 11:36 p.m.

    Jute19

    NOTHING is as embarrassing as a supposedly Top 5 team getting humiliated 7-47 in the "biggest game in Utah history" on their home field.

    A once in the last 17 games upset loss to Utah State pales in comparison.

    AZUTE1

    Get back to us when U finish your first 24-game winning streak with back-to-back Top 10 finishes and a concensus National Championship. The only thing mythical in this conversation is Utah fans' belief that their two-trick pony act has made the Utes an elite program. Sorry to disappoint U, but ABC/ESPN completely ignoring the Utes in their first season in the PAC 12 shows just how insignificant the Utes really are in the grand scheme of conference realignment.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 15, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    @ Christy B -- You clearly don't comprehend the game of football if you don't get that an anemic O can feed into the opposition's scoring (i.e., field-position, turnovers, etc.) No excuses here, just stating a fact....Wynn's injury was factually part of UTAH's offensive woes in the latter part of the season.

    And are you seriously touting a one-touchdown victory over a .500 Michigan team and comparing them to an undefeated, Rose Bowl winning TCU team???? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! That's almost as good as touting the narrow win at PITT that year....You know, the PITT team which finished the season 3-7-1, UNRANKED and BOWLLESS? How about you tell us all what the cumulative-record of the opponents for byu's 1984 "MYTHICAL national championship team" was? LOL

  • Jute19 Poop, UT
    June 15, 2011 10:32 p.m.

    @Swoop
    Did you even watch the Utes this year?? Look at the Pitt game for reference to Jordan Wynn's early season injuries. He was hurt almost all of the year. That said it doesn't give the Utes any excuses for the way they finished the season. Getting killed three times and barley beating a terrible BYU team was embarrassing for sure. But not as embarrassing as losing to USU. Heaps will be good I have no doubt, but BYU has bigger problems. The Utes are by no means in a great way and won't dominate the PAC by any means. However, we Ute fans would like to discuss the Utes w/o the random comments from likes of yourself and other uneducated cougar fans.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 15, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    If this makes sense, I think the bottom half of BYU's schedule is easier than the bottom half of Utah's schedule.

    But I think that the top half of Utah's schedule will be easier than the top half of BYU's schedule.

    Texas, TCU, Ole Miss, UCF, Hawaii and Oregon State will likely be higher ranked teams than USC, Arizona State, Arizona, Pitt, Oregon State and Washington.

    Utah should be thanking someone that they got Washington, Washington St, Oregon State and Cal from the North instead of Oregon and Stanford, which are clearly the cream of the PAC12 crop.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2011 9:02 p.m.

    "BYU has one cake walk, Idaho State , that's it!"

    I agree Utah State, San Jose State and New Mexico State should all test the Cougs, they are pretty much evenly matched or slighlty better teams.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    June 15, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    CougFaninTX

    "If you think Wynn can have serious shoulder surgery, skip spring practice, learn a new offensive scheme, be coached by a new coach and be 100% on his first game back; you don't know football."

    You forgot to mention an entirely new set of running backs and receivers, as well as a paper thin offensive line. But at least Utah's defensive backs are new.

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    June 15, 2011 7:51 p.m.

    Ooooo, Montana State? That will be a tough opener!!! Utah will end up 4-8, and that is because playing non-Conference games against power house teams like MONTANA STATE will really be fantastic nail biting wins for them! What a joke! BYU has one cake walk, Idaho State, that's it!

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2011 7:47 p.m.

    Wynn being injured for the Boise State game just saved him from another TCU-like humiliation. Blaming Utah's poor performance the entire 2nd half of the season on Wynn is a joke. If he wasn't healthy enough to play, he shouldn't have been on the field, which, by the way, he wasn't, when Utah's uninjured defense gave up 47 points to the Horned Frogs.

    Injury excuses are for losers. Robbie Bosco won a national championship for BYU playing the entire 2nd half against Michigan on a leg he could barely stand on.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    June 15, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    nottyou: takes a big man to admit a mistake. No worries, I've done it too.

    I'm looking forward for Wynn to be healthy and have a great season. I'm looking for him to play like he did at the end his freshman year to early last year, before the injury. He's got more guts than a lot of folks give him credit for. And when he plays with confidence, he's a solid player.

    Plus, with Chow's offense, he won't have to worry about that 1 Rush yard per 41 carries, stat....

    Go Utes!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 15, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    @1984 for life
    If you think Wynn can have serious shoulder surgery, skip spring practice, learn a new offensive scheme, be coached by a new coach and be 100% on his first game back; you don't know football.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    June 15, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter

    "One more point I'd like to make:"

    Still waiting for your first point, but keep trying.

    AZUTE1

    It doesn't matter who BYU plays the 2nd half of the season; as long as the Cougars do well the first half of the season, they'll already be established as a very good team.

    Utah, on the other hand, will be lucky to finish September with a winning record.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    Sorry to be so clueless as to pin the BSU embarrassment on Wynn...I was blinded by the shellacking. Next time I'll get a clue.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    June 15, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    Chris B

    Heaps' Passing Efficiency Rating for 2011 will be 20 points higher than Wynn's.

    Mark it Down!

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 15, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    @1984

    You forgot Bron-ko and all the good folks down at the BYU creamery.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    @ AZUTE1 | 5:02 p.m. June 15, 2011
    Mesa, AZ

    "bigsoccer -- Which polls are you referencing?"

    The polls that consisted of Jeff Call, Brandon Gurney and Dick Harmon.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 15, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    bigsoccer -- Which polls are you referencing?

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    June 15, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    All I know as of right now BYU is ranked higher in pre season polls, isn't that what matters most?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 15, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    (Continued)....Remember, UT lost to ISU at home last year, the team UTAH smashed on the road in Ames....The point is, byu plays a bunch of BAD teams next year, w/a few tough games sprinkled in between....UTAH has a far, far more difficult schedule, w/10 games versus BCS-Teams (11, if they win The PAC-12 South Division), and will most likely still finish w/a better record than byu....Reality has always been an incomprehensible concept for byu fans and they remain the single most delusional, kool-aid drinking lot in College Football....Remember "The Quest For Perfection" and the reality-check beatdown FSU administered on byu IN provo? How about watching OU hover around .500 for most of '09 and finishing the season UNRANKED? LOL

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 15, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    These provoites and their spin are PRICELESS....I was at the game in Ames and thought to myself there was something amiss w/Wynn just before he was pulled....Sure enough, the confirmation of it came out later....Would UTAH have won versus TCU and BSU, had he been healthy? I believe a case for BSU could be made, but they would've been far, far more competitive w/a GREAT TCU team and would've left game w/a more respectable loss....ND would've no doubt been a win and the byu game would've been over by halftime.

    @ Sports Authority:

    It's not difficult to improve w/the mostly patsies byu played in the 2nd Half of the season.....UTAH lost to two Top-10 teams and lost to an improved ND team, which also won AT USC, and did so w/an injured QB....With playing USU, SJSU, Idaho State, Idaho and NMSU, ALL AT HOME, byu has a guaranteed 5 wins (although USU could be tricky....LOL)....AND if 'Ole Miss is as awful as they were last year, byu has a solid chance there....UT shouldn't have a repeat of last year, but we'll see.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 15, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Swoop,

    One more point I'd like to make:

    Hypes record against the teams I mentioned was 0-6. The only win Hypes had against a winning team last was SDSU and we all know how that win came about. Even in the win, Hypes had no TDs passes and 1 interception. Against, winning teams Hypes was....well, only hype.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 15, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    Swoop,

    "Only if Iowa State, the game in which he was injured, was the first game of the season."

    What part of "almost" don't you understand? The ISU game was the 5th game of the season. That said, I think that more important point williary was making is that Wynn has exhibited toughness. Playing a physical game like football with an injury shows toughness.

    "Heaps threw almost as many TD passes in his final six games as a Freshman, as Wynn threw in his entire Sophomore season."

    None of the games you are referencing were against winning teams, except Utah and Hypes lost that one. Look at BYU's more difficult games (in order played - AF, FSU, Nevada, USU, TCU, Utah) and you will see that Hypes did not play well against the difficult teams(2 TDs and 6 INTS).

    "If Anae hadn't decided to sit on the ball after Heaps had moved the Cougars inside the 20 with plenty of time left to score a TD and salt the game away, Heaps would have won his first game against Utah."

    "If" is a word that losers use - Wynn 1 Hypes 0

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    June 15, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    Both schools have new offensive coordinators, returning starting QBs, inexperienced secondaries, and playing at big schools (Texas and USC) the week before. The rivalry game will be more exciting this year. Of course I believe Utah will win. It would be even sweeter if it comes down to a Burton-like block of a game winning FG.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Swoop | 1:55 p.m. June 15, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "If Anae hadn't decided to sit on the ball after Heaps had moved the Cougars inside the 20 with plenty of time left to score a TD and salt the game away, Heaps would have won his first game against Utah." Typical. We all knew the reason for the loss was either:

    1) We were cheated
    2) We beat ourselves or
    3) We lost beacause we were over confident.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    June 15, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    Swoop,

    Spin is right. That team (TCU) we got destroyed by was ranked #3 and finished ranked #2 and undefeated, no disgrace there. The Notre Dame loss was bad and shouldn't have happened. Boise State finished ranked #9 and earlier in the season had been talked about as National Champion caliber. No disgrace there either.

    Now comes the real spin in your comment. So many BYU fans call BYU an up and coming team that was greatly improved by the end of the season and then you downgrade them to a "7-6 team led by a true freshman QB" when it suits you in an effort to make the Utes look bad. You can't have it both ways. Either BYU was an aweful team that barely qualified for a bowl or they were vastly improved and are now destined for greatness. You have to pick one or the other.

    As far as SDSU goes, they are a much improved football team from years past and were having their best season in years. We still managed to beat them.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    June 15, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    @ Swoop
    Also Jake Heaps beat the Flash in a race around the world. Did I mention Jake Heap?
    This article is about Wynn no mention of anything byu anywhere.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    June 15, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    School's out 4 summer. School's out 4eva. I think you know what I meant, Mildred.

    I know some BYU LBs that are hungry for Ute meat and IF Win, Lose, or Draw makes it to the BYU game (notice the "IF"), it's going to be open season sort of like the Cobra Kai on Daniel LaRusso.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    @ Broom Hockey Champ | 2:25 p.m. June 15, 2011
    Alpine, UT

    School must be out for summer. I waiting?

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    June 15, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    I waiting for some of these U fans to start tearing up like TO did and write "That's ma quarterback."

  • DeskTree LEHI, UT
    June 15, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    As a Cougar fan, obviously, I don't want Utah to win. However, I'm also realistic. The PAC-10 has really sucked it up over the last few years (Oregon last year obviously excluded). It's no secret that the MWC has held the lead over the PAC-10 for the last few years when they play each other.

    So, what am I afraid of? I really think the Utes have the potential to get in the PAC-12 and really tear it up. All this talk about the power of the PAC-12 football teams is rubbish! They're not that good! So yeah, I think the Utes may do quite well. And of course, if that happens, the Ute fans will take every opportunity to rub it in the faces of Cougar fans. But really, could you blame them?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    williary

    "Jordan Wynn played almost an entire season with a torn rotator cuff."

    Only if Iowa State, the game in which he was injured, was the first game of the season.

    Heaps played most of the Utah game and all of the bowl game with several broken ribs and still outplayed played Wynn. Heaps threw almost as many TD passes in his final six games as a Freshman, as Wynn threw in his entire Sophomore season. If Anae hadn't decided to sit on the ball after Heaps had moved the Cougars inside the 20 with plenty of time left to score a TD and salt the game away, Heaps would have won his first game against Utah.

  • forreal people Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    It is so astounding to see how reality does not change the opinions or attitudes of BYU fans even temporarily. BYU fans on these posts seem even more confident, arrogant, and optimistic about the upcoming season then they were in their quest for perfection year or coming into 2010 with a 11-2 finish in 2009.

    They get beat by USU and Utah, finish 7-6, spend the entire season unranked and end the season at around 45-55 (in the minor polls that list that far) in 2010, and are headed into 2011 UNRANKED. Mark my words, wait and see that Utah is in either one or both (Coaches and/or AP) preseason top 25 polls, and BYU will not be even receiving votes in either. That is common opinion in the world of college football commentary. Google it. Ive seen like 5-6 preseason polls with the Utes ranked and the Y nowhere in sight.

    On the contrary, Utes finished the season ranked, after climbing into the TOP 5 (for the 3rd time in 7years).

    Somebody please tell me the last time BYU was shown even remotely that much respect.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    Mormon Ute

    "That team you say tanked the second half of the year only lost to three teams and two of them were top 10 ranked."

    That team that only lost to three teams was ranked #5 in the BCS rankings, before they were destroyed, at home, 7-47, were nearly shutout by Notre Dame, were blown out by Boise State, got lucky to beat a 7-6 team lead by a true freshman QB at home, and were lucky to sneak past SDSU. To go from 8-0, #5, to 10-3, unranked in the Final AP poll, in the final 5 games of the season is a serious tank job, regardless of how you spin it.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 15, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    @Marked it Down

    Great. A long time ago, in a stadium far, far away, some old BYU player did something.

    Jordan Wynn played almost an entire season with a torn rotator cuff.

    I'd say he's pretty competetive too.

    Should be a great game.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 15, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    @ute alumni

    Wow, thank you for adding some much to the conversation.

    There's a very simple answer to your problem.

    Choose not to read the comments section.

    There, done.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    @ CougFaninTX | 9:47 a.m. June 15, 2011
    Frisco, TX

    "I don't see Wynn being 100%, especially early in the season." So where did you get your medical degree and when did you examine him?

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    June 15, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    williary | 10:05 a.m. June 15, 2011
    Kearns, UT
    He has only beaten BYU 1 time though.

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    June 15, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    The only reason I want Wynn to be healthy is because BYU doesn't do well with teams backup QB.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    June 15, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    Re:Uteology
    I agree that he has proven he's a good enough QB to start when not injured. Settle down, I am a Utah fan.
    I am simply saying that, from what I have noticed, if he gets hit hard (as he did in the 2009 BYU game), he gets a bit skittish. He lost his touch for a few series, overthrew open receivers, etc. From my memory, it was really Eddie Wide that opened up the game for Utah in the fourth quarter, but Wynn did play well (better than Max Hall even).
    I don't recall him getting sacked, or taking a hard hit in the Cal game, but again, he played well.
    I was simply saying that for me, even as a Utah fan, I am not completely sold. He is a capable QB, but still has to prove himself in my eyes. He seemed a little soft as a Freshman, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    June 15, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority,

    That team you say tanked the second half of the year only lost to three teams and two of them were top 10 ranked. That team also beat your dramatically improved sophomores and freshman in their last regular season game. So the stats on the field just don't bear out the doomsday claims from you and other BYU fans for the Utes. The stats also don't bear out the rosy picture so many BYU fans are painting for their team. That is my whole point with the glass houses comment.

    I have never claimed we will win the PAC-12 next year, but we will be competitive and stand a good chance of winning our division. Funny how so many of you BYU fans who used to be right there with us in claiming the difference between the MWC and the BCS conferences was not that great now claim the Utes (who beat BYU last season) will get taken apart by the PAC-12 teams.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    June 15, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    AggieLuva,

    The Cougars didn't beat us with an injured Jordan Wynn playing so I'm not worried with him playing healthy.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 15, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold
    He has always seemed to lose composure for quite some time after he is hit (see BYU game in 2009).

    -----------

    You mean like how as a freshman in his 6th game he lead Utah back to tie the game in the 4th and then set us up for a win only to see our two best defensive players miss a tackle to lose the game?

    Or the game after the hit where is was the MVP becasue he lead us back after being down early against a PAC-10 team (see Cal game in 2009)?

    Look I was really dissapointed by Wynns play down the stretch but he's proven that he's a good enough QB to start when he's not injured.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    June 15, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    willary:
    aside from having an embarrassing posting name "williary", don't you get embarrassed making ridiculous statements that can't be backed up? anyone that has ever play sports prefers to play it on the field not in the stands. both sides need to shut up and look forward to great seasons rather than play"my dad is bigger than yours". Grow up.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 15, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    Sammy,

    Our Rugby player did not fizzle as you call it. In the 7 on 7 semi finals this year, the announcers were praising Thretton, and said that him being gone this year from last years team has really hurt the Utes. I love to read all of your hatred and loathsome comments. They make me laugh. Fans like you who dont know the game are the only ones to spew this stuff.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 15, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    I am not confident Wynn's shoulder will be at full strength this fall, but if he is healthy, I DO BELIEVE IN JORDAN WYNN!

    I think Jordan has matured, gone through some tough growing pains, and is ready to seize the opportunity of running an offense catered to his skill sets.

    I see many people forget that Jordan has a strong arm and can sling it. It didn't look that way during the bulk of last season. The thing is that Jordan had the bum shoulder and it was kept under wraps until it leaked out during the end of the season.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 15, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    The Sportauthority,

    You can say that the Y improved throughout the season, but only Y fans really believe that. Anyone with that weak ending schedule in the position the Y was in would have improved. That is like saying that the Utes improved the first 8 games of the season, then fell off the bus. It was all based on schedule. The Y had their hard games at the beginning of the year, then ended with cupcakes. The Utes schedule was just the opposite. Had Byu played Florida St, TCU, Nevada, Utah St, etc at the end of the year, we would be saying the exact same thing about the Y as the Y fans are about the U. The Utes have less seniors on this years team than Byu didlast year, and the Utes schedule week in and week out will be much tougher than the Y's was last season. As long as Wynn stays healthly, I think the Utes will be fine. If not, we are in for a 5-7 or 4-8 season. That is the beauty of college football. Go Utes!

  • 9er4life Provo, UT
    June 15, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    Whit did a great job last summer with the hiring of Norm Chow and Tim Davis. Both coaches are proven winners and have had experience in the PAC-10. Hope this translates to success and I think it will. Go Utes!

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    June 15, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    prunes;

    Okay, Your boss comes to you and say he wants to give you a raise and move you up a couple of rungs on the ladder. You say in a nice way. " No Thanks, I'm happy were I am. I like making $15.00 an hour and really do not want the extra $5.00 per hour for my family or to help out with the bills."

    In Utah's case its the difference between 1.5 to 2 million per year to 30 million per year.

    Utah State would jump a any chance to move up if given the opportunity.

    No I don't want the 30 million, I'm happy with average GGEEEEZZZZZ!!!!!

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    June 15, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    Willary:

    How many points did the u score against those 2 top five teams? 6 and you are citing those games for support of the u program. Not a good post.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 15, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    @sammyg
    A QB with mental cobwebs, a non-existent bench, a rugby player that fizzled, a new offense, a stronger conference, etc. and that equates to a winning season and a bowl game? I don't think so.

    --------

    Name ONE respectable media source (ala ESPN, SI, Fox Sports) that backs your opinion... I didn't think so.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 15, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    williary

    Jim McMahon suffered a similar one-point upset loss to Utah early in his BYU career while splitting time with another quarterback. The next year, when Utah fans started taunting McMahon, all he had to do to shut them up was point to the scoreboard.

    Jake Heaps has the same type of competitiveness. Those who fail to learn from the past are often doomed to repeat it. Let's just say, you've been warned.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    June 15, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    Tough kid. When he's on--he is very hard to beat. When he's injured--he's still tough to beat. This guy learned some valuable lessons last year against an amazing TCU team and in a late season humiliation against the most storied program in the nation. I look at his wins v. losses and his td's v. int's and I have to say that I think he's coming along just fine.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 15, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    @USAlover

    Jordan Wynn 1
    Jake Heaps 0

    I guess that's something both fan bases have in common then.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 15, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    I know there were some Coug fans proclaiming an undefeated season last year, but I knew it would be a rebuilding year. I was skeptical of a new QB and a two QB system for starters. I still think there were some games we could've / should've won - Utah State and Utah come to mind. There were a lot of other missing pieces going into last year, that don't seem to be missing this year. I believe the Cougs will be much improved. A 9-3, or 10-2 season are very likely. But with the youth on this team, our best years are ahead in 2012 and 2013.

    Believe it our not, I cheer for U in every game but one. From a purely analytical viewpoint, there are too many question marks for U to count on a great season. The running game is first on the list. But the QB situation is a close second.

    I don't see Wynn being 100%, especially early in the season. If he does stay healthy, he could hit his stride by mid-season. If he doesn't stay healthy, the Utes and their fans will be sitting at home in December and January.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 15, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Mormon Ute

    "A team coming off a 7-6 season with A totally revamped coaching staff that includes one coach who has never coached a before and a brand new OC? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks."

    That team coming off a 7-6 season was loaded with freshmen and sophomores who improved dramatically throughout the season. Changes in the coaching staff will make BYU a much more aggresive and confident team in 2011. People who know anything about college football know that a prior year's final record is often a poor predictor of success the following season.

    If I were U, I'd be more worried about a dramatic dropoff from a senior-dominated team that finished 10-3, but tanked the 2nd half of the season, and is trying to install a new offense with a wounded starting QB, no serviceable backups, and an entirely new set of skill players.

    The records for BYU and Utah in 2010 could easily be just the opposite in 2011.

  • utahute32 CLEARFIELD, UT
    June 15, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    I personally like Wynn. It takes a strong player to play through a injury. It shows his dedication to this team and he didnt want to leave them in the middle of a season. Losing to TCU who is one of the best teams in the country and then losing to Notre Dame (which is a extremly tough place to play, I was there and they are loud and crazy. They have a extremely active crowd). Its clear he wasnt much of a spread guy, I think this new offense will play into his strengths and he will have a good season. I have faith in him and his abilities, so does KWhitt and Norm Chow. If they didnt then he wouldnt be playing. Utah will be strong this year, the big ? will be the secondary. Moving Blechen to LB leaves a very young safety and corner group. But KWhitt will have them leveled out, he runs a tight D and I'm not worried there much either.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Every BYU fan hopes Jordan Wynn is healthy and ready to go in September.

  • prunes Tooele, UT
    June 15, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    Who cares! The Utes have aligned themselves with the salt water liberals of the Pacific Coast. Even as an Aggie fan,I always rooted for them when not playing USU and relished in their triumphs. The Utes have destroyed my loyalty for them in their quest of chasing dollar bills as a biproduct of the BCS. This is actually the first article which I've read regarding Ute football since they apostatized.

  • AggieLuva South Jordan, UT
    June 15, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    This is laughable! Coach Whit and the Ute fans are excited to have Wynnie back? This kid was and is the problem. I really hope they don't come up with more excuses come Sept. The Cougs are going to smash Utah! Phoenix said it exactly right, until he can step into his throws in the face of a blitz and not throw off his back foot running away, it will be the same Wynnie we already know. Good luck Utah if this is all you have for the Pac because you will need it!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    June 15, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    nottyou,

    Nice try at stirring things up, but anybody really paying attention knows Wynn didn't play in the BSU game.

    sammyg,

    A team coming off a 7-6 season with A totally revamped coaching staff that includes one coach who has never coached a before and a brand new OC? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

    flintrock,

    It's been my observation from the first season after Meyer left that Whitt was not going to stay with the spread. He has been making changes to his offensive coaching staff every year to get in place the kind of offense he wants and hiring Chow just completes the transition. Bringing Wynn on board was part of that transition.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    June 15, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    -Utah hired a new O-line coach this year. You should see improved technique this year.

    -Tevita Stevens moves over to Center where he is just as good as Zane Taylor was. Tevita was too small to be a guard. Kemoeatu, Pa'o, Brenner, and Asiata will battle for the starting guard spots. Each is capable. I expect the line to be better than it was last year, which will be HUGE in keeping Wynn healthy.

    -Wynn is a little bit bigger this year. Hopefully, the extra padding helps him in taking the hits from PAC-12 players.

    -If he is not healthy, I am worried. But, I think Shreve can come around.

    Can't wait for the season to start. I can see us doing well, and I can see us being mediocre, either way, we are on to bigger and better things. GO UTES!

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    Wynn will be just fine. However, his success this upcoming season is in the hands of the running game. If Utah has no running game, the U's offense will suffer. You could get by in the MWC with a below average running game, but in the PAC 12, you need to be able to run the ball well.

    I don't worry about wynn's recovery from the injury, I worry more about his decision making ability, which is really the key to being a successful quarterback at the college level. And you never know how that is impacted by injury until a player gets back into the game. Brian Johnson did not have a great arm and could not make all of the throws, but he turned into a great decision maker and that made him very successfully his senior year.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    June 15, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    I hope he is at 100%. I have to echo what "phoenix" said, my biggest worry is that he won't be able to recover mentally. He has always seemed to lose composure for quite some time after he is hit (see BYU game in 2009). His durability is a big question for me. There is no depth if he doesn't work out either. He was able to mostly play through it and didn't completely fall apart with it, so I will hope for the best.
    Let's hope he pulls through, gets a grip on the new schemes quickly, and has a great season.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 15, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    @sammyg

    It's sure nice when you list your teams losses from last year to include 2 top 5 teams (TCU, Boise) and a team like Notre Dame.

    It sure beats seeing a list that includes UTAH STATE.

    31-16, pathetic.

    But at least the game was on ESPN, right sammy! That's all BYU is concerned with, getting on TV. Better to be on ESPN and get slaughtered by UTAH STATE, than to not be on TV!

    Utah has 14 seniors this year. That's even less than a young, rebuilding, BYU team had last year! You know, that BYU team who needed a questionable win at home over SDSU to get to 6-6 and the New Mexico Bowl.

  • Chrissy Bee Atlanta, GA
    June 15, 2011 7:48 a.m.

    He should be 100% by the opener? That's great, but how does he work with his receivers in the mean time? How do they get their timing down if he is not 100% until then? Sounds like he will have a lot of catching up to do after the season begins. Could make for a rough start.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    June 15, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    @nottyou
    Do to fact he didnt even play in the BSU game? What are you even getting at there? I have always been an advocate for Wynn but he had trouble running the spread offense. With new offense they have gone with now I expect to see a much better season from Wynn. It will be fun to watch. Go Utes!

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    June 15, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    I find it interesting that Whit had to change his offense to suit Wynn.
    He might be intelligent but he does not have a D1 body. I think Whit blew it when he signed Wynn.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 15, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    That's it?

    A QB with mental cobwebs, a non-existent bench, a rugby player that fizzled, a new offense, a stronger conference, etc. and that equates to a winning season and a bowl game? I don't think so.

    And those losses from last year...

    "Wynn, however, wasn't as sharp as he had been earlier in the season throwing eight interceptions over the seven-game stretch and failing to pass for 200 yards in four of the contests, including losses to TCU and Notre Dame."

    Yep, had Wynn been a 100%, the Utes would have been the 2010 NC.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2011 6:13 a.m.

    What other direction can he move? After the BSU game, forward is good.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    June 15, 2011 6:11 a.m.

    Kudos to the coaches for a great job in preparing the young man. Sounds like he's coming along remarkably well and should be a 100% ready when the season starts. Looking forward to a great game on the 17th against the Cougs! It should be a dandy...an Independent novice against the new kid on the block from the mighty Pac-12. The future is definitely very exciting for both programs! Go Cougs!!! And Good luck to the Utes too, except when they play BYU!!! Hope they kick some behinds and continue to make their presence felt among those mighty BCS elites. Go show 'em Coach Whit!!!

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2011 5:16 a.m.

    Could be a very long year for Ute fans if Mr. Wynn can't get it together in time...good luck Mr. Wynn, we how we see you health on Sept. 17th...

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 15, 2011 1:46 a.m.

    Good to see the kid getting healthy. Hopefully, he can go back to playing like he was before the injury.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 15, 2011 12:27 a.m.

    The utes had the Wynn knocked out of them.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 14, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    An overly, optimistic assessment of Wynn's real status. His arm strength may be 100% and his shoulder may be pain free, but until he demonstrates that he can step into a pass and deliver with precise timing and accuracy in the face of a blitzing linebacker the jury is still out.

    QB's and receivers spend whole summers practicing and practicing together to get their timing down pat. From what the article said, Wynn still isn't throwing at full velocity. The article is spot on about the mental aspect of the injury. It remains to be seen whether Wynn will revert to his happy feet after he's been knocked down a few times.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 14, 2011 11:33 p.m.

    I hope Wynn is at full strength and doing well on September 17th. No need for Utah to lose to BYU because of an inefficient offense. Let's have a barn-burner of a game.

    BYU will win this one, though. :-)

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    June 14, 2011 11:02 p.m.

    I'm excited to see Jordan back on the field in the fall. It sounds like he's doing great and will be ready in plenty of time. This article also confirms that the injury last year was a factor in the second half of the season. I can't wait until fall!!