@bigsoccer "Its really funny how you guys threaten to beat BYU with and be
good with Jordan Wynn, he isn't good." Tell that to Iowa State who had 68
points laid on them by Wynn and company, the same Iowa State and who by the way
beat The University of Texas in Austin last year; let's see if BYU can match
what Iowa State did; I highly doubt it.
Its really funny how you guys threaten to beat BYU with and be good with Jordan
Wynn, he isn't good.
Yeah, TCU who's already been invited into a BCS-Confernce and played in two BCS
Bowl-Games, winning one, and BSU who's won two BCS Bowl-Games, just like
UTAH....byu is a second-tier non-BCS school who'll NEVER even sniff a BCS
Bowl-Game....byu's akin to the bottom-feeder WAC-Schools they'll be playing this
@wilary...You've obviously never had broken ribs or plurasy... obviously!!!
Does it really matter where it hurts if it really hurts. Jim McMahon was hurt
all the time but he still played and made numerous remarkable plays.. Sat out
almost a whole quarter after re hyperextending an older knee injury but demanded
to be put back in the game 20 points down and 4 minutes left and rallied his
team and pulled off the biggest comeback in NCAA history against one of the
nations' top running back tandems ever in Craig James and Eric Dickerson. When
Wynn plays like McMahon then you can talk with some authority...otherwise coming
from you it's an excuse.
@CougfaninTexasHmmmm...I think that you're underestimating USC,
Sarkesian's Washington Huskies, Arizona State for sure and quite possibly Oregon
State. Wynn's new wing still has to be proven and with a new set of running
backs a thin offensive line already pointed out... and a couple of unseasoned
new C backs on the defense I think the Utes are a little overrated. Besides
you're not going to be anywhere close to haveing the full empliment of a complex
new Norm Chow Offense anywhere close to being operational til near end of season
the first year.
UteologyYou're dreaming. The only reason Utah won't be winless in
September is because the Utes scheduled a cupcake to open the season.
@CougFaninTXIf you think Wynn can have serious shoulder surgery, skip
spring practice, learn a new offensive scheme, be coached by a new coach and be
100% on his first game back; you don't know football. -------------In the first game back he'll be 50% against Montana
State. Just like when he was 50% last year against BYU where he only needed 5
minutes of good play for a win.Now in week 2 vs USC we'll need him
closer to 100% and then in week 3 vs BYU we can probably win with him at 50%
JustGordon"Attention!! Attention!! Y fans are predicting
another preseason National Championship for their boys in blue!!"Do you have a source?
Attention!! Attention!! Y fans are predicting another preseason National
Championship for their boys in blue!! National Champions in 2011...BCS
Championship Bowl bound! Again! Like always, reality is very late arriving in
Provo. But fear not, Y fans, reality will arrive this year in mid
September in the shape of Jordan Wynn and the PAC 12 Utes. May I
predict here and now that regardless of how badly the Y loses, there will always
be another reason for the loss other than the team that beat them was better?
Dropped passes, missed calls, unlucky breaks will all be part of the excuse du
jour. Always has been! I am amazed at all these Y fans who have
nothing better to do than visit and comment on articles about Utah quarterbacks.
One would have thought they would have expended all their time and energy
commenting on Jimmer articles. Things must be especially show in Provo in June.
williaryUtah fan trash talk has now lowered itself to proclaiming
that Washington State is a quality opponent.Even sadder.
williary"proclaiming how good the University of Central
Florida"Just pointing out how clueless Utah fans are about the
teams they're trashing. UCF had a MUCH better season than Utah last
year and there's no proof that UCF won't be better than Utah this year."Utah plays 10 BCS-Schools this coming season"Wasn't
Utah totally humiliated by two non-BcS schools last season?Since
when is every BcS school in existence head-and-shoulders better than any non-BcS
school; you're directly contradicting claims that Utah, as a non-BcS school, was
better than any BcS school in 2004 and 2008.If Utah fans were at all
rational, they'd understand that conference affiliation is meaningless as far as
which individual teams are good or bad in a given year.
@SwoopBYU fans trash talk has now lowered itself to proclaiming how
good the University of Central Florida will be next year!That's just
@ Somewhat Truth MachineYou make a great point. Nobody knows who
any of these opponents will turn out. Of course nobody but the original poster
who I was responding too.So are you saying there is a clear pattern
to predict who will be good and who will not be? Seems to me that evaluating
each team based on last year's play and what comes back is about as accurate a
guess as you can make?I love how BYU fans will attempt to downgrade
anyone Utah plays, while upgrading their own opponents. Texas will
not be the Texas their name invokes. Better than last year, probably, but if
you watched any of their games last season they have a lot of issues. Top 5
recruiting classes or not.TCU will clearly not be as good as they
were. Losing Dalton, starting a guy who has taken 0 snaps previously, doesn't
usually lead to consistent play like they've had. See BYU 2010, Utah 2009. UCF was ranked in 2010 FOR THE FIRST TIME, EVER. I'd say to expect that
sort of effort this year goes against their entire history. But I'm
sure all 3 end up top 10 teams!
Swoop:"Get back to us when U finish your first 24-game winning
streak with back-to-back Top 10 finishes and a concensus National
Championship."Go ahead a break it all down for us on the teams
which constituted this "24-game winning streak" and what the overall,
cumulative-record of byu's "victim's" was, in particular during their
"MYTHICAL NC" season, TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO.And for those
of you touting UGA from last year, they finished 6-7 and 3-5 (SEC)....'Ole Miss
was complete garbage and UT remains to be seen....I expect UT not to be as awful
as they were last year, but as it was previously mentioned, now's the time to
play them....I still can't believe they lost AT HOME to ISU and UCLA last
year....WOW.UTAH plays 10 BCS-Schools this coming season, 11 if they
win The PAC-12 South Division....ASU and USC should both start the season Top-25
and both schools play OSU....UTAH would most likely play UO or Stanford, if they
reach The PAC-12 Championship Game....byu's schedule includes Idaho State and
The WAC doormats....LOL
RD"USF plays in a competitive conference."You're calling the Big Least a "competitive conference"? The
conference that was so fearful of losing their coveted BcS status that they
invited a MWC team from half-way across the country to join them because they
needed a team that would give the Big Least some credibility?UCF
beat Georgia. You're seriously calling Georgia a nobody?It's funny
how desperate Utah fans are to discount BYU's schedule. Texas, a perennial Top
10 team, is nothing. TCU, a team that destroyed Utah 7-47, is dog meat. Oregon
State, a team from the "conference of champions," is a weakling.UCF will be better than many of the teams Utah plays in the PAC 12,
certainly a lot better than Washington State.
Yes, the same UCF that is 0-4 against USF, 1-3 in bowl games, and was ranked for
the first time ever last year. I am saying they are not a good team. USF plays
in a competitive conference. I will give you that UCF did better than I
thought last year, but I still think USF is a better team. Just because you call
it the "Big Least" doesn't make it worse than CUSA. UCF doesn't play
I didn't know that these boards had turned into the comics section on the
DesNews. I am pretty sure, if I remember right, I said those losses were
embarrassing. TCU V. Utah State... I would take getting beat any day by TCU. Any
normal person would. Didn't BYU lose 4 in a row last year and start the season
2-5. Now that's embarrassing. An appearance in the New Mexico Bowl???
Embarrassing?? Keep coming at me with the rebuilding schtick. In you 'rebuilding
analysis the Utes could go 7-6 this year and it would be a success. The Utes
have less seniors this year than the 'rebuilding' Cougs had last year. Keep the
jokes coming. It's somewhat entertaining.
Ragnar Danneskjold"UCF is not USF."You're
correct. UCF is MUCH better2010UCF(11-3), #21/#20, C-USA
championUSF(8-5), unranked, 3-4 in the Big Least
I'm a little confused as to how CougFaninTX can list Oregon State as a strong
top team for BYU, and then list Oregon State as a weak team for the Utes.Texas could be ranked high, or they could have a mediocre season like last
year. UCF is not USF. I am honestly confused as to how you can think that Ole
Miss will even be ranked. But the biggest mystery is how OSU is a great team for
BYU to play, but a laughable team for Utah. How can a team be ranked above
williaryIt's interesting how you switch between past and future in
evaluating teams based on your own biases.Texas, even though they
have a Top 5 recruiting classes nearly every year, will be bad because they
weren't very good last year.TCU, even though they were a Top 5 team
last season, will be bad because they're rebuilding.The fact, you
don't have a clue how good or bad the teams on BYU's and Utah's schedules are
going to be this coming season.Texas could have another down year,
or the Longhorns could be a Top 10 team.USC could be great, or they
could be just like Texas was last year.UCF was 11-3 last season, won
the C-USA conference championship, beat Georgia in the Liberty Bowl, and
finished #21 AP / #20 Coaches in the final polls, MUCH better than Utah.Try doing a little research before spouting off about UCF being no
better than Wyoming.
@CougfanintxTime to look at those schedules and forget the names
behind each game for BYU.Texas was 5-7 last year. They lost at home
to UCLA and Iowa State. They were 2-6 in the mighty Big 12. Put aside the name
and look at the facts. Texas was worse last year then they've been in a decade.
If there was a time to play Texas it's now. They are just not a good football
team. Likely better, but no where near what they were.Ole Miss is
awful, period. The team they will field might be as good as the Iowa State team
Utah throttled on the road last year. One of the 2-3 worst teams in the SEC.TCU has to completely reload. They'll be good, but again this will be
their worst squad in the last 5 years. Top 25 team, probably, top 5 like the
last couple years, not even close.UCF, Hawaii, OSU? Come on. OSU
is an average BCS conference team. UCF and Hawaii are the equivalent of playing
Wyoming.ASU and USC are both better than anyone BYU will play next
@SwoopOnly a BYU fan can deduct that a broken rib affects a QB's
play as much as a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder.Time to
get Health back on the ciriculum at BYU.
AZUTE1Thanks for proving the point that it wasn't an injury, but
simply an overrated team, that was responsible for Utah tanking the last half of
sammygWell said!The Utes finish a season 10-3, with no
conference championship and three humiliating defeats in their last 5 games, and
blame it all on a QB with a sore shoulder. And now, they're heading to the PAC
10.1.1beta with a wounded QB, a completely new set of skill players, a thin
offensive line, and all new DBs, and somehow the Utes are going to take the PAC
by storm, even though they've only managed to win 6 conference championships in
the "much weaker" WAC/MWC in the last half century. A couple of
relatively meaningless BcS wins and they think they're the next USC. In reality,
they're the next Arizona, 30 years in the PAC and still waiting to smell the
@UteologyYou believe in the media? Yeah, I thought so.@Papa Smurf UteI've never once said that I hate anything on this
sports comment board. I'm just not a believer in this year's Ute team and last
year I was correct in my assessment of the team, it was overrated. That's not
hatred, it's an opinion.For a team that's supposedly going to a
bigger and better conference I think the Utes are going to have their butts
handed to them on a regular basis.That's an opinion and far from the
bigoted rants that are thrown at BYU by many on these comment boards.How many yards did Thretton have in the Red and White game? Less than the
total points the Utes put on the board against TCU, ND, and BSU. Just in case
you forgot, total points were a whopping 13. As I recall Thretton gave you guys
single digits this Spring.Hype your QB, your new LB (former QB) and
anything else you can think of. My opinion is that the Utes going to the PAC
10.2 are.... overrated, just like 8-0 last season going into November.
Jute19 NOTHING is as embarrassing as a supposedly Top 5 team getting
humiliated 7-47 in the "biggest game in Utah history" on their home
field. A once in the last 17 games upset loss to Utah State pales in
comparison.AZUTE1Get back to us when U finish your first
24-game winning streak with back-to-back Top 10 finishes and a concensus
National Championship. The only thing mythical in this conversation is Utah
fans' belief that their two-trick pony act has made the Utes an elite program.
Sorry to disappoint U, but ABC/ESPN completely ignoring the Utes in their first
season in the PAC 12 shows just how insignificant the Utes really are in the
grand scheme of conference realignment.
@ Christy B -- You clearly don't comprehend the game of football if you don't
get that an anemic O can feed into the opposition's scoring (i.e.,
field-position, turnovers, etc.) No excuses here, just stating a fact....Wynn's
injury was factually part of UTAH's offensive woes in the latter part of the
season.And are you seriously touting a one-touchdown victory over a
.500 Michigan team and comparing them to an undefeated, Rose Bowl winning TCU
team???? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! That's almost as good as touting the
narrow win at PITT that year....You know, the PITT team which finished the
season 3-7-1, UNRANKED and BOWLLESS? How about you tell us all what the
cumulative-record of the opponents for byu's 1984 "MYTHICAL national
championship team" was? LOL
@Swoop Did you even watch the Utes this year?? Look at the Pitt game for
reference to Jordan Wynn's early season injuries. He was hurt almost all of the
year. That said it doesn't give the Utes any excuses for the way they finished
the season. Getting killed three times and barley beating a terrible BYU team
was embarrassing for sure. But not as embarrassing as losing to USU. Heaps will
be good I have no doubt, but BYU has bigger problems. The Utes are by no means
in a great way and won't dominate the PAC by any means. However, we Ute fans
would like to discuss the Utes w/o the random comments from likes of yourself
and other uneducated cougar fans.
If this makes sense, I think the bottom half of BYU's schedule is easier than
the bottom half of Utah's schedule. But I think that the top half
of Utah's schedule will be easier than the top half of BYU's schedule. Texas, TCU, Ole Miss, UCF, Hawaii and Oregon State will likely be
higher ranked teams than USC, Arizona State, Arizona, Pitt, Oregon State and
Washington.Utah should be thanking someone that they got Washington,
Washington St, Oregon State and Cal from the North instead of Oregon and
Stanford, which are clearly the cream of the PAC12 crop.
"BYU has one cake walk, Idaho State , that's it!" I agree
Utah State, San Jose State and New Mexico State should all test the Cougs, they
are pretty much evenly matched or slighlty better teams.
CougFaninTX"If you think Wynn can have serious shoulder
surgery, skip spring practice, learn a new offensive scheme, be coached by a new
coach and be 100% on his first game back; you don't know football."You forgot to mention an entirely new set of running backs and
receivers, as well as a paper thin offensive line. But at least Utah's defensive
backs are new.
Ooooo, Montana State? That will be a tough opener!!! Utah will end up 4-8, and
that is because playing non-Conference games against power house teams like
MONTANA STATE will really be fantastic nail biting wins for them! What a joke!
BYU has one cake walk, Idaho State, that's it!
Wynn being injured for the Boise State game just saved him from another TCU-like
humiliation. Blaming Utah's poor performance the entire 2nd half of the season
on Wynn is a joke. If he wasn't healthy enough to play, he shouldn't have been
on the field, which, by the way, he wasn't, when Utah's uninjured defense gave
up 47 points to the Horned Frogs.Injury excuses are for losers.
Robbie Bosco won a national championship for BYU playing the entire 2nd half
against Michigan on a leg he could barely stand on.
nottyou: takes a big man to admit a mistake. No worries, I've done it too.I'm looking forward for Wynn to be healthy and have a great season. I'm
looking for him to play like he did at the end his freshman year to early last
year, before the injury. He's got more guts than a lot of folks give him credit
for. And when he plays with confidence, he's a solid player.Plus,
with Chow's offense, he won't have to worry about that 1 Rush yard per 41
carries, stat....Go Utes!
@1984 for life If you think Wynn can have serious shoulder surgery, skip
spring practice, learn a new offensive scheme, be coached by a new coach and be
100% on his first game back; you don't know football.
Duckhunter Hunter"One more point I'd like to make:"Still waiting for your first point, but keep trying.AZUTE1It doesn't matter who BYU plays the 2nd half of the season;
as long as the Cougars do well the first half of the season, they'll already be
established as a very good team.Utah, on the other hand, will be
lucky to finish September with a winning record.
Sorry to be so clueless as to pin the BSU embarrassment on Wynn...I was blinded
by the shellacking. Next time I'll get a clue.
Chris BHeaps' Passing Efficiency Rating for 2011 will be 20 points
higher than Wynn's.Mark it Down!
@1984 You forgot Bron-ko and all the good folks down at the BYU
@ AZUTE1 | 5:02 p.m. June 15, 2011 Mesa, AZ "bigsoccer --
Which polls are you referencing?"The polls that consisted of
Jeff Call, Brandon Gurney and Dick Harmon.
bigsoccer -- Which polls are you referencing?
All I know as of right now BYU is ranked higher in pre season polls, isn't that
what matters most?
(Continued)....Remember, UT lost to ISU at home last year, the team UTAH smashed
on the road in Ames....The point is, byu plays a bunch of BAD teams next year,
w/a few tough games sprinkled in between....UTAH has a far, far more difficult
schedule, w/10 games versus BCS-Teams (11, if they win The PAC-12 South
Division), and will most likely still finish w/a better record than
byu....Reality has always been an incomprehensible concept for byu fans and they
remain the single most delusional, kool-aid drinking lot in College
Football....Remember "The Quest For Perfection" and the reality-check
beatdown FSU administered on byu IN provo? How about watching OU hover around
.500 for most of '09 and finishing the season UNRANKED? LOL
These provoites and their spin are PRICELESS....I was at the game in Ames and
thought to myself there was something amiss w/Wynn just before he was
pulled....Sure enough, the confirmation of it came out later....Would UTAH have
won versus TCU and BSU, had he been healthy? I believe a case for BSU could be
made, but they would've been far, far more competitive w/a GREAT TCU team and
would've left game w/a more respectable loss....ND would've no doubt been a win
and the byu game would've been over by halftime.@ Sports
Authority:It's not difficult to improve w/the mostly patsies byu
played in the 2nd Half of the season.....UTAH lost to two Top-10 teams and lost
to an improved ND team, which also won AT USC, and did so w/an injured
QB....With playing USU, SJSU, Idaho State, Idaho and NMSU, ALL AT HOME, byu has
a guaranteed 5 wins (although USU could be tricky....LOL)....AND if 'Ole Miss is
as awful as they were last year, byu has a solid chance there....UT shouldn't
have a repeat of last year, but we'll see.
Swoop,One more point I'd like to make:Hypes record
against the teams I mentioned was 0-6. The only win Hypes had against a winning
team last was SDSU and we all know how that win came about. Even in the win,
Hypes had no TDs passes and 1 interception. Against, winning teams Hypes
was....well, only hype.
Swoop,"Only if Iowa State, the game in which he was injured,
was the first game of the season."What part of
"almost" don't you understand? The ISU game was the 5th game of the
season. That said, I think that more important point williary was making is
that Wynn has exhibited toughness. Playing a physical game like football with
an injury shows toughness."Heaps threw almost as many TD passes
in his final six games as a Freshman, as Wynn threw in his entire Sophomore
season."None of the games you are referencing were against
winning teams, except Utah and Hypes lost that one. Look at BYU's more
difficult games (in order played - AF, FSU, Nevada, USU, TCU, Utah) and you will
see that Hypes did not play well against the difficult teams(2 TDs and 6
INTS)."If Anae hadn't decided to sit on the ball after Heaps
had moved the Cougars inside the 20 with plenty of time left to score a TD and
salt the game away, Heaps would have won his first game against Utah.""If" is a word that losers use - Wynn 1 Hypes 0
Both schools have new offensive coordinators, returning starting QBs,
inexperienced secondaries, and playing at big schools (Texas and USC) the week
before. The rivalry game will be more exciting this year. Of course I believe
Utah will win. It would be even sweeter if it comes down to a Burton-like block
of a game winning FG.
Swoop | 1:55 p.m. June 15, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "If
Anae hadn't decided to sit on the ball after Heaps had moved the Cougars inside
the 20 with plenty of time left to score a TD and salt the game away, Heaps
would have won his first game against Utah." Typical. We all knew the
reason for the loss was either:1) We were cheated2) We beat
ourselves or3) We lost beacause we were over confident.
Swoop,Spin is right. That team (TCU) we got destroyed by was ranked
#3 and finished ranked #2 and undefeated, no disgrace there. The Notre Dame
loss was bad and shouldn't have happened. Boise State finished ranked #9 and
earlier in the season had been talked about as National Champion caliber. No
disgrace there either. Now comes the real spin in your comment. So
many BYU fans call BYU an up and coming team that was greatly improved by the
end of the season and then you downgrade them to a "7-6 team led by a true
freshman QB" when it suits you in an effort to make the Utes look bad. You
can't have it both ways. Either BYU was an aweful team that barely qualified
for a bowl or they were vastly improved and are now destined for greatness. You
have to pick one or the other. As far as SDSU goes, they are a much
improved football team from years past and were having their best season in
years. We still managed to beat them.
@ SwoopAlso Jake Heaps beat the Flash in a race around the world. Did I
mention Jake Heap? This article is about Wynn no mention of anything byu
School's out 4 summer. School's out 4eva. I think you know what I meant,
Mildred. I know some BYU LBs that are hungry for Ute meat and IF
Win, Lose, or Draw makes it to the BYU game (notice the "IF"), it's
going to be open season sort of like the Cobra Kai on Daniel LaRusso.
@ Broom Hockey Champ | 2:25 p.m. June 15, 2011 Alpine, UT School must be out for summer. I waiting?
I waiting for some of these U fans to start tearing up like TO did and write
"That's ma quarterback."
As a Cougar fan, obviously, I don't want Utah to win. However, I'm also
realistic. The PAC-10 has really sucked it up over the last few years (Oregon
last year obviously excluded). It's no secret that the MWC has held the lead
over the PAC-10 for the last few years when they play each other. So, what am I afraid of? I really think the Utes have the potential to get in
the PAC-12 and really tear it up. All this talk about the power of the PAC-12
football teams is rubbish! They're not that good! So yeah, I think the Utes may
do quite well. And of course, if that happens, the Ute fans will take every
opportunity to rub it in the faces of Cougar fans. But really, could you blame
williary"Jordan Wynn played almost an entire season with a torn
rotator cuff."Only if Iowa State, the game in which he was
injured, was the first game of the season.Heaps played most of the
Utah game and all of the bowl game with several broken ribs and still outplayed
played Wynn. Heaps threw almost as many TD passes in his final six games as a
Freshman, as Wynn threw in his entire Sophomore season. If Anae hadn't decided
to sit on the ball after Heaps had moved the Cougars inside the 20 with plenty
of time left to score a TD and salt the game away, Heaps would have won his
first game against Utah.
It is so astounding to see how reality does not change the opinions or attitudes
of BYU fans even temporarily. BYU fans on these posts seem even more confident,
arrogant, and optimistic about the upcoming season then they were in their quest
for perfection year or coming into 2010 with a 11-2 finish in 2009. They get beat by USU and Utah, finish 7-6, spend the entire season unranked
and end the season at around 45-55 (in the minor polls that list that far) in
2010, and are headed into 2011 UNRANKED. Mark my words, wait and see that Utah
is in either one or both (Coaches and/or AP) preseason top 25 polls, and BYU
will not be even receiving votes in either. That is common opinion in the world
of college football commentary. Google it. Ive seen like 5-6 preseason polls
with the Utes ranked and the Y nowhere in sight.On the contrary,
Utes finished the season ranked, after climbing into the TOP 5 (for the 3rd time
in 7years). Somebody please tell me the last time BYU was shown even
remotely that much respect.
Mormon Ute"That team you say tanked the second half of the year
only lost to three teams and two of them were top 10 ranked."That team that only lost to three teams was ranked #5 in the BCS rankings,
before they were destroyed, at home, 7-47, were nearly shutout by Notre Dame,
were blown out by Boise State, got lucky to beat a 7-6 team lead by a true
freshman QB at home, and were lucky to sneak past SDSU. To go from 8-0, #5, to
10-3, unranked in the Final AP poll, in the final 5 games of the season is a
serious tank job, regardless of how you spin it.
@Marked it DownGreat. A long time ago, in a stadium far, far away,
some old BYU player did something.Jordan Wynn played almost an
entire season with a torn rotator cuff.I'd say he's pretty
competetive too.Should be a great game.
@ute alumniWow, thank you for adding some much to the
conversation.There's a very simple answer to your problem. Choose not to read the comments section.There, done.
@ CougFaninTX | 9:47 a.m. June 15, 2011 Frisco, TX "I
don't see Wynn being 100%, especially early in the season." So where did
you get your medical degree and when did you examine him?
williary | 10:05 a.m. June 15, 2011 Kearns, UT He has only beaten
BYU 1 time though.
The only reason I want Wynn to be healthy is because BYU doesn't do well with
teams backup QB.
Re:UteologyI agree that he has proven he's a good enough QB to start when
not injured. Settle down, I am a Utah fan.I am simply saying that, from
what I have noticed, if he gets hit hard (as he did in the 2009 BYU game), he
gets a bit skittish. He lost his touch for a few series, overthrew open
receivers, etc. From my memory, it was really Eddie Wide that opened up the game
for Utah in the fourth quarter, but Wynn did play well (better than Max Hall
even). I don't recall him getting sacked, or taking a hard hit in the Cal
game, but again, he played well.I was simply saying that for me, even as a
Utah fan, I am not completely sold. He is a capable QB, but still has to prove
himself in my eyes. He seemed a little soft as a Freshman, but I will give him
the benefit of the doubt for now.
TheSportsAuthority,That team you say tanked the second half of the
year only lost to three teams and two of them were top 10 ranked. That team
also beat your dramatically improved sophomores and freshman in their last
regular season game. So the stats on the field just don't bear out the doomsday
claims from you and other BYU fans for the Utes. The stats also don't bear out
the rosy picture so many BYU fans are painting for their team. That is my whole
point with the glass houses comment.I have never claimed we will win
the PAC-12 next year, but we will be competitive and stand a good chance of
winning our division. Funny how so many of you BYU fans who used to be right
there with us in claiming the difference between the MWC and the BCS conferences
was not that great now claim the Utes (who beat BYU last season) will get taken
apart by the PAC-12 teams.
AggieLuva,The Cougars didn't beat us with an injured Jordan Wynn
playing so I'm not worried with him playing healthy.
Ragnar DanneskjoldHe has always seemed to lose composure for quite some
time after he is hit (see BYU game in 2009). -----------You mean like how as a freshman in his 6th game he lead Utah back to tie the
game in the 4th and then set us up for a win only to see our two best defensive
players miss a tackle to lose the game? Or the game after the hit
where is was the MVP becasue he lead us back after being down early against a
PAC-10 team (see Cal game in 2009)?Look I was really dissapointed by
Wynns play down the stretch but he's proven that he's a good enough QB to start
when he's not injured.
willary:aside from having an embarrassing posting name
"williary", don't you get embarrassed making ridiculous statements
that can't be backed up? anyone that has ever play sports prefers to play it on
the field not in the stands. both sides need to shut up and look forward to
great seasons rather than play"my dad is bigger than yours". Grow up.
Sammy,Our Rugby player did not fizzle as you call it. In the 7 on 7
semi finals this year, the announcers were praising Thretton, and said that him
being gone this year from last years team has really hurt the Utes. I love to
read all of your hatred and loathsome comments. They make me laugh. Fans like
you who dont know the game are the only ones to spew this stuff.
I am not confident Wynn's shoulder will be at full strength this fall, but if he
is healthy, I DO BELIEVE IN JORDAN WYNN! I think Jordan has matured,
gone through some tough growing pains, and is ready to seize the opportunity of
running an offense catered to his skill sets.I see many people
forget that Jordan has a strong arm and can sling it. It didn't look that way
during the bulk of last season. The thing is that Jordan had the bum shoulder
and it was kept under wraps until it leaked out during the end of the season.
The Sportauthority, You can say that the Y improved throughout the
season, but only Y fans really believe that. Anyone with that weak ending
schedule in the position the Y was in would have improved. That is like saying
that the Utes improved the first 8 games of the season, then fell off the bus.
It was all based on schedule. The Y had their hard games at the beginning of the
year, then ended with cupcakes. The Utes schedule was just the opposite. Had Byu
played Florida St, TCU, Nevada, Utah St, etc at the end of the year, we would be
saying the exact same thing about the Y as the Y fans are about the U. The Utes
have less seniors on this years team than Byu didlast year, and the Utes
schedule week in and week out will be much tougher than the Y's was last season.
As long as Wynn stays healthly, I think the Utes will be fine. If not, we are in
for a 5-7 or 4-8 season. That is the beauty of college football. Go Utes!
Whit did a great job last summer with the hiring of Norm Chow and Tim Davis.
Both coaches are proven winners and have had experience in the PAC-10. Hope
this translates to success and I think it will. Go Utes!
prunes; Okay, Your boss comes to you and say he wants to give you a
raise and move you up a couple of rungs on the ladder. You say in a nice way.
" No Thanks, I'm happy were I am. I like making $15.00 an hour and really
do not want the extra $5.00 per hour for my family or to help out with the
bills."In Utah's case its the difference between 1.5 to 2
million per year to 30 million per year.Utah State would jump a any
chance to move up if given the opportunity.No I don't want the 30
million, I'm happy with average GGEEEEZZZZZ!!!!!
Willary:How many points did the u score against those 2 top five
teams? 6 and you are citing those games for support of the u program. Not a good
@sammygA QB with mental cobwebs, a non-existent bench, a rugby player that
fizzled, a new offense, a stronger conference, etc. and that equates to a
winning season and a bowl game? I don't think so.--------Name ONE respectable media source (ala ESPN, SI, Fox Sports) that backs your
opinion... I didn't think so.
williaryJim McMahon suffered a similar one-point upset loss to Utah
early in his BYU career while splitting time with another quarterback. The next
year, when Utah fans started taunting McMahon, all he had to do to shut them up
was point to the scoreboard.Jake Heaps has the same type of
competitiveness. Those who fail to learn from the past are often doomed to
repeat it. Let's just say, you've been warned.
Tough kid. When he's on--he is very hard to beat. When he's injured--he's still
tough to beat. This guy learned some valuable lessons last year against an
amazing TCU team and in a late season humiliation against the most storied
program in the nation. I look at his wins v. losses and his td's v. int's and I
have to say that I think he's coming along just fine.
@USAloverJordan Wynn 1Jake Heaps 0I guess that's
something both fan bases have in common then.
I know there were some Coug fans proclaiming an undefeated season last year, but
I knew it would be a rebuilding year. I was skeptical of a new QB and a two QB
system for starters. I still think there were some games we could've / should've
won - Utah State and Utah come to mind. There were a lot of other missing
pieces going into last year, that don't seem to be missing this year. I believe
the Cougs will be much improved. A 9-3, or 10-2 season are very likely. But
with the youth on this team, our best years are ahead in 2012 and 2013.Believe it our not, I cheer for U in every game but one. From a purely
analytical viewpoint, there are too many question marks for U to count on a
great season. The running game is first on the list. But the QB situation is a
close second.I don't see Wynn being 100%, especially early in the
season. If he does stay healthy, he could hit his stride by mid-season. If he
doesn't stay healthy, the Utes and their fans will be sitting at home in
December and January.
Mormon Ute"A team coming off a 7-6 season with A totally
revamped coaching staff that includes one coach who has never coached a before
and a brand new OC? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw
rocks."That team coming off a 7-6 season was loaded with
freshmen and sophomores who improved dramatically throughout the season. Changes
in the coaching staff will make BYU a much more aggresive and confident team in
2011. People who know anything about college football know that a prior year's
final record is often a poor predictor of success the following season.If I were U, I'd be more worried about a dramatic dropoff from a
senior-dominated team that finished 10-3, but tanked the 2nd half of the season,
and is trying to install a new offense with a wounded starting QB, no
serviceable backups, and an entirely new set of skill players.The
records for BYU and Utah in 2010 could easily be just the opposite in 2011.
I personally like Wynn. It takes a strong player to play through a injury. It
shows his dedication to this team and he didnt want to leave them in the middle
of a season. Losing to TCU who is one of the best teams in the country and then
losing to Notre Dame (which is a extremly tough place to play, I was there and
they are loud and crazy. They have a extremely active crowd). Its clear he wasnt
much of a spread guy, I think this new offense will play into his strengths and
he will have a good season. I have faith in him and his abilities, so does
KWhitt and Norm Chow. If they didnt then he wouldnt be playing. Utah will be
strong this year, the big ? will be the secondary. Moving Blechen to LB leaves a
very young safety and corner group. But KWhitt will have them leveled out, he
runs a tight D and I'm not worried there much either.
Every BYU fan hopes Jordan Wynn is healthy and ready to go in September.
Who cares! The Utes have aligned themselves with the salt water liberals of the
Pacific Coast. Even as an Aggie fan,I always rooted for them when not playing
USU and relished in their triumphs. The Utes have destroyed my loyalty for them
in their quest of chasing dollar bills as a biproduct of the BCS. This is
actually the first article which I've read regarding Ute football since they
This is laughable! Coach Whit and the Ute fans are excited to have Wynnie back?
This kid was and is the problem. I really hope they don't come up with more
excuses come Sept. The Cougs are going to smash Utah! Phoenix said it exactly
right, until he can step into his throws in the face of a blitz and not throw
off his back foot running away, it will be the same Wynnie we already know. Good
luck Utah if this is all you have for the Pac because you will need it!
nottyou,Nice try at stirring things up, but anybody really paying
attention knows Wynn didn't play in the BSU game.sammyg,A team coming off a 7-6 season with A totally revamped coaching staff that
includes one coach who has never coached a before and a brand new OC? People
who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.flintrock,It's been my observation from the first season after Meyer left that Whitt was
not going to stay with the spread. He has been making changes to his offensive
coaching staff every year to get in place the kind of offense he wants and
hiring Chow just completes the transition. Bringing Wynn on board was part of
-Utah hired a new O-line coach this year. You should see improved technique
this year. -Tevita Stevens moves over to Center where he is just as
good as Zane Taylor was. Tevita was too small to be a guard. Kemoeatu, Pa'o,
Brenner, and Asiata will battle for the starting guard spots. Each is capable.
I expect the line to be better than it was last year, which will be HUGE in
keeping Wynn healthy.-Wynn is a little bit bigger this year.
Hopefully, the extra padding helps him in taking the hits from PAC-12
players.-If he is not healthy, I am worried. But, I think Shreve
can come around. Can't wait for the season to start. I can see us
doing well, and I can see us being mediocre, either way, we are on to bigger and
better things. GO UTES!
Wynn will be just fine. However, his success this upcoming season is in the
hands of the running game. If Utah has no running game, the U's offense will
suffer. You could get by in the MWC with a below average running game, but in
the PAC 12, you need to be able to run the ball well. I don't worry
about wynn's recovery from the injury, I worry more about his decision making
ability, which is really the key to being a successful quarterback at the
college level. And you never know how that is impacted by injury until a player
gets back into the game. Brian Johnson did not have a great arm and could not
make all of the throws, but he turned into a great decision maker and that made
him very successfully his senior year.
I hope he is at 100%. I have to echo what "phoenix" said, my biggest
worry is that he won't be able to recover mentally. He has always seemed to lose
composure for quite some time after he is hit (see BYU game in 2009). His
durability is a big question for me. There is no depth if he doesn't work out
either. He was able to mostly play through it and didn't completely fall apart
with it, so I will hope for the best. Let's hope he pulls through, gets a
grip on the new schemes quickly, and has a great season.
@sammygIt's sure nice when you list your teams losses from last year
to include 2 top 5 teams (TCU, Boise) and a team like Notre Dame.It
sure beats seeing a list that includes UTAH STATE. 31-16,
pathetic.But at least the game was on ESPN, right sammy! That's all
BYU is concerned with, getting on TV. Better to be on ESPN and get slaughtered
by UTAH STATE, than to not be on TV!Utah has 14 seniors this year.
That's even less than a young, rebuilding, BYU team had last year! You know,
that BYU team who needed a questionable win at home over SDSU to get to 6-6 and
the New Mexico Bowl.
He should be 100% by the opener? That's great, but how does he work with his
receivers in the mean time? How do they get their timing down if he is not 100%
until then? Sounds like he will have a lot of catching up to do after the season
begins. Could make for a rough start.
@nottyouDo to fact he didnt even play in the BSU game? What are you even
getting at there? I have always been an advocate for Wynn but he had trouble
running the spread offense. With new offense they have gone with now I expect to
see a much better season from Wynn. It will be fun to watch. Go Utes!
I find it interesting that Whit had to change his offense to suit Wynn.He
might be intelligent but he does not have a D1 body. I think Whit blew it when
he signed Wynn.
That's it?A QB with mental cobwebs, a non-existent bench, a rugby
player that fizzled, a new offense, a stronger conference, etc. and that equates
to a winning season and a bowl game? I don't think so.And those
losses from last year... "Wynn, however, wasn't as sharp as he
had been earlier in the season throwing eight interceptions over the seven-game
stretch and failing to pass for 200 yards in four of the contests, including
losses to TCU and Notre Dame."Yep, had Wynn been a 100%, the
Utes would have been the 2010 NC.
What other direction can he move? After the BSU game, forward is good.
Kudos to the coaches for a great job in preparing the young man. Sounds like
he's coming along remarkably well and should be a 100% ready when the season
starts. Looking forward to a great game on the 17th against the Cougs! It
should be a dandy...an Independent novice against the new kid on the block from
the mighty Pac-12. The future is definitely very exciting for both programs!
Go Cougs!!! And Good luck to the Utes too, except when they play BYU!!! Hope
they kick some behinds and continue to make their presence felt among those
mighty BCS elites. Go show 'em Coach Whit!!!
Could be a very long year for Ute fans if Mr. Wynn can't get it together in
time...good luck Mr. Wynn, we how we see you health on Sept. 17th...
Good to see the kid getting healthy. Hopefully, he can go back to playing like
he was before the injury.
The utes had the Wynn knocked out of them.
An overly, optimistic assessment of Wynn's real status. His arm strength may be
100% and his shoulder may be pain free, but until he demonstrates that he can
step into a pass and deliver with precise timing and accuracy in the face of a
blitzing linebacker the jury is still out.QB's and receivers spend
whole summers practicing and practicing together to get their timing down pat.
From what the article said, Wynn still isn't throwing at full velocity. The
article is spot on about the mental aspect of the injury. It remains to be seen
whether Wynn will revert to his happy feet after he's been knocked down a few
I hope Wynn is at full strength and doing well on September 17th. No need for
Utah to lose to BYU because of an inefficient offense. Let's have a barn-burner
of a game.BYU will win this one, though. :-)
I'm excited to see Jordan back on the field in the fall. It sounds like he's
doing great and will be ready in plenty of time. This article also confirms
that the injury last year was a factor in the second half of the season. I
can't wait until fall!!