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Published: Thursday, June 9 2011 1:27 a.m. MDT

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Katiebugg
Salt Lake City, UT

I think it's funny how Howard S. does NOT know how much it is and it is driving him CRAZY. So what does he do? Starts making up stuff!

Howie, I refer you back to Deep Thoughts and In Stitches. They wrote what we are all thinking....

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Veritas Aequitas

"You KNOW the money?"
******

Okay V.A. back from meetings... "so les do dis thang..."

A careful reading of my comment at 2:31 p.m. reveals that I was quoting Jon Wilner on the radio today.

He said "a few hundred thousand" for each WCC school annually.

Based on his comments $300,000 sounds like a reasonable range.

The Collective will refute that estimate, but if Wilner had estimated $5 million per year/per school it would have been accepted as gospel truth by the Nation.

But, if financial disclosure is an issue, isn't it true that neither BYU or ESPN have released financial details of the football package, yet the Collective accepts as fact that the deal is worth at least $10 million annually ranging up to $20 million.

How do you think those numbers are known? hmmmmm?

As for Utah's exposure, winning in the PAC 12 will generate abundant and sufficient exposure.

As for BYU exposure, it will disappear as quick as twelve dozen donuts at a BYU Ward social if the Cougars don't produce victories early and often.

And finally... disrespected by the PAC? BYU certainly, not Utah.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

yawn!

is that all you've got howie?

ESPN envy from a BCS sycophant; gotta love it.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@PAC man

"is that all you've got howie?"
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No need to be insulting PAC man...

But, I do understand and accept that an honest opinion from an informed source such as Wilner will never excite the Collective unless it perpetuates the myth of Cougar supremacy.

sammyg
Springville, UT

@ howie...

no one cares about the money but you. the 'collective' does not need money. most of the ESPN timeslots have been assimilated by the 'collective'. U will live on table scraps of exposure compliments of the 'collective'

resistance is futile...

Mountainman56
Alpine, UT

@broom hockey champ

Dave McCann was a Las Vegas sports anchor for many years and was hired by BYUtv last year to host the show True Blue which has been airing regularly for some time. Dave is an outstanding sportscaster and I would bet that BYUtv will use him as the play-by-play guy and bring in Blaine Fowler for the color commentary. Let's hope they don't hire Todd Christensen - he's way more concerned about impressing viewers with his vocabulary than with providing quality commentary. I think that if I ever hear him say "ad nauseam" again, I'm going to hurl!

In Stitches
Provo, Utah

Thank you for all these many, many comments, Howard. I now remember why I like it when the kids are busy with school.

hohum
Saint George, UT

Howie:

Who is Jon Wilner and what makes him an expert. Hundreds of thousands, not that I care about the money, but could it be 700,000 to 900,000. Tell me why not.

Exposure not money. Although if you follow money, the bcs schools are trying to buy the best team money can buy.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@hohum 

Who is Jon Wilner and what makes him an expert. Hundreds of thousands, not that I care about the money, but could it be 700,000 to 900,000. Tell me why not
*****
 
Right Cougar logic would conclude that when an informed, objective columnist says that a broadcast deal will probably net BYU a few hundred thousand dollars he really means $700,000 to $900,000.
 
And thus another Cougar myth is born.
 
As for Jon Wilner Google is your friend.

Broom Hockey Champ
Alpine, UT

I like Todd C. and Sammy Linebaugh. I didn't like the MTN, but they were one of the few bright spots on it. I'd rather rather have a BYU player with more experience than Fowler provide the color, but I'm not sure what former players do color. Anyone else have suggestions?

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

Howard S.

Trust a greedy BcS-ite to concentrate solely on the money, while completely ignoring the most important details of the new WCC-ESPN contract:

"As I [Jon Wilner] note in the story, its the MOST EXTENSIVE ESPN basketball deal EVER signed by a non-football conference. But based on my quick research, its the BEST DEAL signed by ANY non-BCS league, as well.

The record number of appearances (close to 50 per year) will help with recruiting, reputation and postseason access..."

EXACTLY what BYU was looking for when the Cougars left the MWC and the MTN.

As far as rights fee, Wilner writes:

"WCC fans should keep in mind that the (probably undisclosed) rights fee cannot compare to the media deals signed recently by the Pac-12, the Big 12 or even Conference USA. The big money is in football."

In other words, the WCC did as well as possible for a basketball conference, and as we know, BYU already has their own exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN for football.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

re: Howard S.

"the MOST EXTENSIVE ESPN basketball deal EVER signed by a non-football conference... [in fact] the BEST DEAL signed by ANY non-BCS league"

Sounds like a deal that any non-football conference would be ecstatic about signing with the world wide leader!

Time to just let it go Howard. Your money nit-picking is nothing but a feable attempt to mask your extreme ESPN jealousy.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Gee, I wonder why Howard didn't bother mentioning any of Wilner's other comments about the WCC ESPN contract? About the contract being the best deal ESPN has ever signed with a non-BCS league.

Howard's "informed, objective columnist" specifically said that the rights fee was not disclosed, yet Howard somehow derived his own dollar figure from Wilner's comments and is now spouting it as fact, and berating anybody who questions his interpretation.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Just what the doctor ordered, as Wilner writes:

"I dont know enough details to quantify BYUs impact on the negotiations with ESPN, but we should assume it was significant.

The Cougars have a national following, and their Jimmer-led success in 2010-11 couldnt have been better timed for the WCC, which has been negotiating the deal with ESPN for months (and months).

At the same time, this deal should satisfy BYU fans frustrated with the Mountain Wests TV exposure.

Given that Gonzaga usually makes 9-10 appearances per year on ESPN/2/U through the WCCs deal alone some of the Zags televised non-conference games arent part of the WCC contract I expect the Cougars to appear on the WorldWide Leader at least a dozen times next season."

At least a dozen nationally televised games on ESPN versus that one game on CBS this past season. And the games ESPN doesn't pick up will be broadcast on BYUtv. Great news for every BYU fan.

In Stitches
Provo, Utah

I take my last comment back ... It looks like Howie is still being schooled.

Great job to TrueBlue, Truth Machine, deductive reasoning and skywalker for providing us with the rest of the story.

It sounds like a terrific deal for basketball.

Katiebugg
Salt Lake City, UT

I love how Howard conveniently forgot about this being just for BASKETBALL while comparing it to his Pac deal which also includes football. I also love how he extrapolates figures from the article and ignores all of the stuff that blatantly refutes what he is attempting to convince every one of.

You're representing well, Howard. Keep up the good work.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@In Stitches

"It looks like Howie is still being schooled."
**************

I feel so schooled... and humbled too...

Much like an athletic program must feel humbled when it's superlatives must be qualified with terms like...

"by a non-football conference..." or "by ANY non-BCS league"

Something like being the best... of the rest.

Or being the top collegiate athletic program... in Utah County.

You get the idea... It's not bad, but it falls short of being among the best of the best.

Oh well... off to my MLM meetings.

Mountainman56
Alpine, UT

Howie

Your persistence is impressive. You must be a glutton for punishment. Let's just wait and see how happy Ute fans are this year when you can't see your team play. (Although based on the fact that nobody attended Ute B-Ball games last season, I guess nobody will care about watching them on TV). Nevertheless, as much as you want to try to downplay it, lots of games on ESPN is something that every program in the country would love to have. I'm not saying that Utah's TV deal in the PAC 12 is bad, it just won't get you on national TV nearly as often as BYU and that is fact, no matter how much you say it's worthless or try to downplay it. Get over the bitterness, life will be a lot less stressful.

Mountainman56
Alpine, UT

Broom Hockey Champ

I think Sammy Linebaugh is great and I like some of the other people on MTN as well, including Blaine Fowler. I'm afraid I have to disagree about Todd C. however. I've know Todd for many years so I kind of hate to say that I don't like him as a broadcaster but I really do think he spends way too much time pontificating and trying to throw in big words to impress the audience. His son even said on the radio one time that they make fun of him at home for doing that. Blaine Fowler was a member of the 1984 championship team and has been a high quality sports broadcaster for many years and I think he'd do a great job on BYUtv. The only other former BYU football players that I'm aware of that do broadcasting are Steve Young and Trevor Matich and I don't think we're going to get either of them. Gifford Nielsen retired as a sports anchor in Houston after many years, maybe they'll pick him up or maybe they can lure Vai Sikahema out of Philly.

Bronc
Newport Beach, Calif

I agree that while sometimes Todd C takes his analytical game comments right to the edge, I also find it somewhat refreshing to hear a different slant than the usual stuff that is so typically repetitive and totally expected on most sports broadcasts. Plus I enjoy hearing a little more of an intellectual approach than what we continually hear on all the other stations. So I, for one, appreciate viewing his efforts, especially since he can also often laugh about both himself and the game he's analyzing at the same time.

According to what I've seen on these boards in the past however, I unfortunately may appear be in the minority, however.

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