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  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 11, 2011 8:21 p.m.

    @sammyg

    "...making out like a bandit..."
    ***********

    And thus we see the birth of yet another Cougar myth.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 11, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    Big Whoop howie. Sound familiar?

    BYU has always been able to accomplish more with its 'little' resources than the Utes.

    Oh, my bad, I forgot we have our 'own' bank, it's called charitable contributions. I'm sure the ESPN and other deals just add to the pot.

    I'm glad the money bothers you because you will never know the details, yet in your heart you know that BYU is making out like a bandit as well. Maddening isn't it?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 11, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    Okay my Cougar friends... back from MLM meetings.

    You would seriously not believe how easy it is get Utah County college students to fork over their tuition money for registration and product advance fees...

    Sellin' the dream... Sellin' the dream...

    butwhatever...

    Here's the deal that you don't understand...

    I didn't qualify the superlatives over the WCC/ESPN deal with terms like...

    "by a non-football conference..." or "by ANY non-BCS league"

    And I didn't say on the radio that each school would probably get "a few hundred thousand a year" from the WCC/ESPN deal.

    Jon Wilner did...

    So if you have problems with it take it up with him... Google is your friend.

    And here is some additional reality...

    BYU has chosen to affiliate with a "non-BCS", "non-football" conference, so any superlative that BYU achieves within that conference will always be qualified by those terms.

    It's what you chose.

    As for Utah BB, if they lose in the PAC 12 so be it... They'll have 30 million reasons to be comforted.

    But if they win, their superlatives will NOT be qualified by "non-BCS" or "non-football conference".

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 11, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    Howard,

    Your "superlatives" are nothing but spin.

    Utah's football team was completely ignored by ESPN. What makes you think that Utah's stinker of a basketball program will fare any better?

    So why are spending sooooo much time trying to convince everybody that Utah NOT playing on ESPN is superior to BYU playing on ESPN?

    Are you really expecting recruits to be impressed with Utah's bank account?

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    June 11, 2011 1:52 a.m.

    Howie

    "like an athletic program must feel humbled when it's superlatives must be qualified with terms like..."

    I was going to play the game, but I couldn't find any superlatives to apply to that train wreck on the hill.

    I did find this:

    BYU 72 Utah 59
    BYU 104 Utah 79
    BYU 71 Utah 51
    BYU 82 Utah 69
    BYU 63 Utah 50
    Utah 94 BYU 88 (OT)
    BYU 67 Utah 59
    BYU 55 Utah 52
    BYU 85 Utah 62
    BYU 76 Utah 66

    The results of the last 10 BYU-Utah games.

    Maybe U could find some superlatives there, but I certainly couldn't.

    U should be grateful that Utah basketball will be virtually non-existent on ESPN. It'll save U the embarrassment of being humiliated on national television.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 11, 2011 1:43 a.m.

    Well, I guess there is some experience with Multi-level marketing at BYU (as well as the U):

    The missionary reports to the District Leader who reports to the Zone Leader who reports to the Mission President who reports to the Area Presidency who reports.... That must be what he means, right?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2011 1:28 a.m.

    Howard S.

    "Here is the deal with exposure Mr. Mountainman, my friend...

    The relevant issue is winning, not pre-season scheduled ESPN games."

    A fan of a team that's had LOSING seasons 4 of the last 6 years lecturing BYU fans about winning being the relevant issue???

    You're too funny for words, my friend...

    Dave Rose era
    BYU 159-44(77.9%) MWC 78-18(81.3%), 4 MWC championships, 5 NCAAs
    Utah 95-94(50.3%) MWC 44-52(45.8%), 1 MWC championship, 1 NCAA

    --------BYU----Utah
    2005-06 20-9 - 14-15
    2006-07 25-9 - 11-19
    2007-08 27-8 - 18-15
    2008-09 25-8 - 25-10
    2009-10 30-6 - 14-17
    2010-11 32-5 - 13-18

    Head-to-Head
    BYU 10 (including 9 of the last 10)
    Utah 3

    Get back to us when Utah basketball develops a pulse and stops losing to teams like SW Baptist and San Diego (you know, the cellar dweller of the WCC). Until then, you can dispense with the false bravado about Utah being a winning team in the PAC 12. Utah basketball died when Majerus left.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 11, 2011 12:41 a.m.

    @ Howard S

    "ESPN won't put a losing (that's loosing for my Cougar friends) BYU team on TV for long.

    In either case, winning gets you exposure... and losing (loosing) doesn't."

    So that's why we haven't seen Utah's basketball team on tv for the last 5 years! That explains it!

    BYU = 5 straight NCAA tournament berths over last 5 years
    Utah = 5 total wins last season. Has been to one tournament game (and lost that game btw) in the last 5 years.
    BYU Basketball > Utah Basketball

    Go Cougars!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    Howard

    You do remember that this is an article about basketball right? Are you really trying to say that Utah is going to be winning a lot of basketball games in the PAC 12 and "there will be plenty of exposure" for your Utes? C'mon, you don't even believe that and you know it.

    Meanwhile, I have no worries about BYU continuing to win 20-30 games per year and continuing to get annual NCAA tournament invites. Furthermore, I guess you didn't read the article or even the headline "WCC, ESPN sign 8-year extension". Like it or not, BYU WILL be on national TV much more frequently than Utah and just like in football, the contract is for 8 years. You're defending in indefensible position but hey, at least nobody can say you give up easily. After all, you're up to 10 comments out of 122 on this BYU article.
    You're obsession is getting the best of you.

    By the way, what are the references to MLM's, "loosing" and french fries on dates all about? I guess you must find it amusing. Everyone else just finds it juvenile.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 10, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    @Mountainman56

    Okay, back from MLM. I'll tell ya, MLM in Utah County is like taking candy from a baby.

    Aaaanyhooo....

    "...it just won't get you on national TV nearly as often as BYU and that is fact..."
    **********************

    Here is the deal with exposure Mr. Mountainman, my friend...

    The relevant issue is winning, not pre-season scheduled ESPN games.

    A winning PAC 12 team will certainly not lack for exposure. If Utah wins in the PAC 12, there will be plenty of exposure.

    ESPN won't put a losing (that's loosing for my Cougar friends) BYU team on TV for long. If BYU loses (looses) those pre-scheduled ESPN games will disappear quicker than a sack of french fries on a BYU first date.

    In either case, winning gets you exposure... and losing (loosing) doesn't.

  • Bronc Newport Beach, Calif
    June 10, 2011 10:03 p.m.

    I agree that while sometimes Todd C takes his analytical game comments right to the edge, I also find it somewhat refreshing to hear a different slant than the usual stuff that is so typically repetitive and totally expected on most sports broadcasts. Plus I enjoy hearing a little more of an intellectual approach than what we continually hear on all the other stations. So I, for one, appreciate viewing his efforts, especially since he can also often laugh about both himself and the game he's analyzing at the same time.

    According to what I've seen on these boards in the past however, I unfortunately may appear be in the minority, however.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    Broom Hockey Champ

    I think Sammy Linebaugh is great and I like some of the other people on MTN as well, including Blaine Fowler. I'm afraid I have to disagree about Todd C. however. I've know Todd for many years so I kind of hate to say that I don't like him as a broadcaster but I really do think he spends way too much time pontificating and trying to throw in big words to impress the audience. His son even said on the radio one time that they make fun of him at home for doing that. Blaine Fowler was a member of the 1984 championship team and has been a high quality sports broadcaster for many years and I think he'd do a great job on BYUtv. The only other former BYU football players that I'm aware of that do broadcasting are Steve Young and Trevor Matich and I don't think we're going to get either of them. Gifford Nielsen retired as a sports anchor in Houston after many years, maybe they'll pick him up or maybe they can lure Vai Sikahema out of Philly.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2011 9:28 p.m.

    Howie

    Your persistence is impressive. You must be a glutton for punishment. Let's just wait and see how happy Ute fans are this year when you can't see your team play. (Although based on the fact that nobody attended Ute B-Ball games last season, I guess nobody will care about watching them on TV). Nevertheless, as much as you want to try to downplay it, lots of games on ESPN is something that every program in the country would love to have. I'm not saying that Utah's TV deal in the PAC 12 is bad, it just won't get you on national TV nearly as often as BYU and that is fact, no matter how much you say it's worthless or try to downplay it. Get over the bitterness, life will be a lot less stressful.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 10, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    @In Stitches

    "It looks like Howie is still being schooled."
    **************

    I feel so schooled... and humbled too...

    Much like an athletic program must feel humbled when it's superlatives must be qualified with terms like...

    "by a non-football conference..." or "by ANY non-BCS league"

    Something like being the best... of the rest.

    Or being the top collegiate athletic program... in Utah County.

    You get the idea... It's not bad, but it falls short of being among the best of the best.

    Oh well... off to my MLM meetings.

  • Katiebugg Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    I love how Howard conveniently forgot about this being just for BASKETBALL while comparing it to his Pac deal which also includes football. I also love how he extrapolates figures from the article and ignores all of the stuff that blatantly refutes what he is attempting to convince every one of.

    You're representing well, Howard. Keep up the good work.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 10, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    I take my last comment back ... It looks like Howie is still being schooled.

    Great job to TrueBlue, Truth Machine, deductive reasoning and skywalker for providing us with the rest of the story.

    It sounds like a terrific deal for basketball.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 10, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    Just what the doctor ordered, as Wilner writes:

    "I dont know enough details to quantify BYUs impact on the negotiations with ESPN, but we should assume it was significant.

    The Cougars have a national following, and their Jimmer-led success in 2010-11 couldnt have been better timed for the WCC, which has been negotiating the deal with ESPN for months (and months).

    At the same time, this deal should satisfy BYU fans frustrated with the Mountain Wests TV exposure.

    Given that Gonzaga usually makes 9-10 appearances per year on ESPN/2/U through the WCCs deal alone some of the Zags televised non-conference games arent part of the WCC contract I expect the Cougars to appear on the WorldWide Leader at least a dozen times next season."

    At least a dozen nationally televised games on ESPN versus that one game on CBS this past season. And the games ESPN doesn't pick up will be broadcast on BYUtv. Great news for every BYU fan.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 10, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    Gee, I wonder why Howard didn't bother mentioning any of Wilner's other comments about the WCC ESPN contract? About the contract being the best deal ESPN has ever signed with a non-BCS league.

    Howard's "informed, objective columnist" specifically said that the rights fee was not disclosed, yet Howard somehow derived his own dollar figure from Wilner's comments and is now spouting it as fact, and berating anybody who questions his interpretation.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    re: Howard S.

    "the MOST EXTENSIVE ESPN basketball deal EVER signed by a non-football conference... [in fact] the BEST DEAL signed by ANY non-BCS league"

    Sounds like a deal that any non-football conference would be ecstatic about signing with the world wide leader!

    Time to just let it go Howard. Your money nit-picking is nothing but a feable attempt to mask your extreme ESPN jealousy.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 10, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    Howard S.

    Trust a greedy BcS-ite to concentrate solely on the money, while completely ignoring the most important details of the new WCC-ESPN contract:

    "As I [Jon Wilner] note in the story, its the MOST EXTENSIVE ESPN basketball deal EVER signed by a non-football conference. But based on my quick research, its the BEST DEAL signed by ANY non-BCS league, as well.

    The record number of appearances (close to 50 per year) will help with recruiting, reputation and postseason access..."

    EXACTLY what BYU was looking for when the Cougars left the MWC and the MTN.

    As far as rights fee, Wilner writes:

    "WCC fans should keep in mind that the (probably undisclosed) rights fee cannot compare to the media deals signed recently by the Pac-12, the Big 12 or even Conference USA. The big money is in football."

    In other words, the WCC did as well as possible for a basketball conference, and as we know, BYU already has their own exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN for football.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    I like Todd C. and Sammy Linebaugh. I didn't like the MTN, but they were one of the few bright spots on it. I'd rather rather have a BYU player with more experience than Fowler provide the color, but I'm not sure what former players do color. Anyone else have suggestions?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 10, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    @hohum 

    Who is Jon Wilner and what makes him an expert. Hundreds of thousands, not that I care about the money, but could it be 700,000 to 900,000. Tell me why not
    *****
     
    Right Cougar logic would conclude that when an informed, objective columnist says that a broadcast deal will probably net BYU a few hundred thousand dollars he really means $700,000 to $900,000.
     
    And thus another Cougar myth is born.
     
    As for Jon Wilner Google is your friend.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    June 10, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    Howie:

    Who is Jon Wilner and what makes him an expert. Hundreds of thousands, not that I care about the money, but could it be 700,000 to 900,000. Tell me why not.

    Exposure not money. Although if you follow money, the bcs schools are trying to buy the best team money can buy.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 10, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    Thank you for all these many, many comments, Howard. I now remember why I like it when the kids are busy with school.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    @broom hockey champ

    Dave McCann was a Las Vegas sports anchor for many years and was hired by BYUtv last year to host the show True Blue which has been airing regularly for some time. Dave is an outstanding sportscaster and I would bet that BYUtv will use him as the play-by-play guy and bring in Blaine Fowler for the color commentary. Let's hope they don't hire Todd Christensen - he's way more concerned about impressing viewers with his vocabulary than with providing quality commentary. I think that if I ever hear him say "ad nauseam" again, I'm going to hurl!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 10, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    @ howie...

    no one cares about the money but you. the 'collective' does not need money. most of the ESPN timeslots have been assimilated by the 'collective'. U will live on table scraps of exposure compliments of the 'collective'

    resistance is futile...

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2011 11:21 p.m.

    @PAC man

    "is that all you've got howie?"
    **********

    No need to be insulting PAC man...

    But, I do understand and accept that an honest opinion from an informed source such as Wilner will never excite the Collective unless it perpetuates the myth of Cougar supremacy.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 9, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    yawn!

    is that all you've got howie?

    ESPN envy from a BCS sycophant; gotta love it.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    @Veritas Aequitas

    "You KNOW the money?"
    ******

    Okay V.A. back from meetings... "so les do dis thang..."

    A careful reading of my comment at 2:31 p.m. reveals that I was quoting Jon Wilner on the radio today.

    He said "a few hundred thousand" for each WCC school annually.

    Based on his comments $300,000 sounds like a reasonable range.

    The Collective will refute that estimate, but if Wilner had estimated $5 million per year/per school it would have been accepted as gospel truth by the Nation.

    But, if financial disclosure is an issue, isn't it true that neither BYU or ESPN have released financial details of the football package, yet the Collective accepts as fact that the deal is worth at least $10 million annually ranging up to $20 million.

    How do you think those numbers are known? hmmmmm?

    As for Utah's exposure, winning in the PAC 12 will generate abundant and sufficient exposure.

    As for BYU exposure, it will disappear as quick as twelve dozen donuts at a BYU Ward social if the Cougars don't produce victories early and often.

    And finally... disrespected by the PAC? BYU certainly, not Utah.

  • Katiebugg Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2011 9:20 p.m.

    I think it's funny how Howard S. does NOT know how much it is and it is driving him CRAZY. So what does he do? Starts making up stuff!

    Howie, I refer you back to Deep Thoughts and In Stitches. They wrote what we are all thinking....

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    June 9, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    Howard S. | 2:31 p.m.
    Taylorsville, UT
    @CG

    Guaranteed, it's more than $200,000 per year/school. BYU, on it's own, could demand that much per game.
    *********

    Okay, so maybe a few hundred thousand may be more like $300,000 than $200,000 but the word paltry comes to mind
    ===

    "The West Coast Conference has signed a new television contract with ESPN that will provide unprecedented exposure for its men's basketball programs, including Saint Mary's, Santa Clara and USF.

    The eight-year deal announced Wednesday allows for a minimum of 48 appearances per year on the ESPN family of networks -- 10 more than the WCC has averaged in past years -- and takes effect for the 2011-12 season.

    The rights fee was not announced."
    ===

    You KNOW the money?

    Anyways...

    So now the Utes are hanging their hats on money.

    Good, they need the $$$.

    Lose the envy.

    All of a suddent UofU athletics is about the money, but not getting on TV? I thought the PAC-12 move was about quality exposure? Was I wrong?

    How's that going to help recruiting?

    Utah has been disrespected by the PAC. Makes you want to ask why?

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    June 9, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    I know this is a basketball article, but I am more interested in the football proceedings and thought that since we were talking about TV agreements I might be able to get some answers that have thus far eluded me.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    June 9, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    The guy who did the play-by-play for those handful of basketball games the past two seasons for BYU-TV (I forget his name) will return (he used to be the play-by-play guy for the UNLV Rebels before coming to BYU-TV.

    It will be interesting to see how they turn a public television station into a cash cow, but they'll figure it out. I doubt they can work commercials into the broadcast, but maybe charge a premium for those "this program is sponsored by ...." promo's at the beginning and end of the broadcast.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    June 9, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    They've got to be trying to fill the broadcasting spot(s) now as the season is only 2 fast Sundays away and the person(s) will have to do research, begin scheduling travel, etc. I would like Todd C., but he is still probably locked into a MWC contract. A former player might be good, but I'm not sure who has the experience....

    If Mr. Harmon reads this, please report on this. :)

    Will the game have commercials like other programming on BYUtv or are games going to be condensed?

    This stuff has got to be settled soon. Inquiring minds want to know.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 9, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    @Broom Hockey Champ

    I've wondered that myself but don't really know. I remember back in the 80's when games were sometimes broadcast on KBYU. I can't remember the name of the guy that did the announcing, Jay something or another I think, but the telecasts were actually decent. Then the games they had on KSL were pretty high quality games with guys like Paul James, Jim Nance and Craig Bolerjack doing the announcing.

    I would guess they will get some decent talent to do it but it will be interesting to find out who it will be.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 9, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    The main goal purported by the University in going independent in football and to the WCC in all other applicable sports was to get more exposure for BYU sports programs. Sounds like this deal achieves just that for bball. Amazing how BYU haters try to spin it in a million different directions.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    June 9, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    Does anyone know who will be the football commentators for the games that air on BYUtv? Todd Christensen or will BYU bring back someone like Detmer? Anyone know?

    Will there be commercials during the broadcast similar to how the BYU channel works now?

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    June 9, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Congratulations on Utah being paid lots of $$$ NOT to play on ESPN!

    There now, feeling better about yourself.

    For BYU fans, having oodles of opportunities to watch the Cougars play nationally televised football and basketball games on ESPN is paramount. We'll let the beancounters worry about the money.

    For Utah fans, money seems to be the only thing U care about these days - greed is everything in the BCS.

    BYU - great exposure, enough money to make Craig Thompson green with envy

    Utah - lots of money, limited exposure

    Two programs with vastly different priorities.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 9, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    @howie

    This is a basketball deal so almost any money from it is good money. As your demi god wilner told us a few months ago "it is doubtful that pac10 basketball is worth anything to anyone". The pac10 deal you keep bragging up is about football, basketball was a worthless aferthought thrown in for some winter night content.

    Once again for BYU it isn't about the money anyway, they already have more money than they need with a backer with bottomless pockets. It is about being on tv, in prime time, nationally. Mission accomplished with some extra dollars to boot.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 9, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    Interesting this article didn't mention (even in passing) that any games not live on ESPN's network WILL be live on BYUtv, in HD no less. And BYUtv has the right to rebroadcast later that night any live BYU-ESPN games.

    That's for both football AND basketball, I believe.

    I have the impression from what I've read so far about BYUtv's availability that it's supposed to not let much go unnoticed, including women's sports and other men's sports.

    Some events might get tape-delayed broadcasting when two or more are being played at the same time when ESPN isn't involved, I'd assume.

    I'm also interested in how much WCC coverage (when BYU is not playing) might be shown on BYUtv, like they did for the WCC basketball championship in March.

    Does anyone know where information about the breadth of broadcasting sports for BYUtv has been written about?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    @CG 
     
    Guaranteed, it's more than $200,000 per year/school. BYU, on it's own, could demand that much per game.
    *********
     
    On the radio today after reminding the hosts that Everything does not always revolve around BYU.. Jon Wilner, who knows west coast collegiate sports as well as anyone, suggested that the deal would be worth a few hundred thousand per year for each WCC school.
     
    Okay, so maybe a few hundred thousand may be more like $300,000 than $200,000 but the word paltry comes to mind
     

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    June 9, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    Congratulations Cougars! We go Independent in football and get six games on ESPN with the possibility of more being picked up. BYUTV also will broadcast the games ESPN doesn't so Cougar fans will be able to see the football team. Then this news with the WCC contract with ESPN gets us more exposure. I am sure the success of our BB team had something to do with ESPN working out a deal with the WCC. Let's face it BYU has a brand that is marketable and when you are marketable networks like ESPN are willing to put you on TV if it puts money in their pockets.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 9, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    @Farid

    Freddy Whittingham moved to California after his sophomore year because his dad, Fred sr., got a job with the L.A. Rams. He was a great player at Provo High, just like his brothers were, before they moved. Eddie Rowe was a year younger and was a stud running back at Provo high rushing for over 2000 yds his jr. year and being named Street and smitths All American. Sr. year I think he ran for over 1800 yds. He was recruited by just about every major college football program in the country, USC, Nebraska, etc. before finally deciding on BYU.

    We all thought it ironic he and Freddy were called to the same mission and were even companions for a little while I think.

    Eddy blew his knee out badly in practice after he got back from his mission and never played again. Too bad because he was a great running back. Just wondering if maybe you remembered him as well.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    June 9, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    CG,

    Couldn't agree more. Why our friends-on-the-hill even care is beyond me.

    They don't believe it, but The Church would gladly trade most of the money they are now making for even more exposure. My son is on his mission in Nashville, and he'll probably help bring The Church to a few hundred people during his time there (not baptisms, just people who learn more about what and who we are).

    Each game will bring the church to say a million people per football game and a few hundred thousand for basketball. I have to pay for my son to bring the message forth but the school gets paid millions of dollars to let someone else do it for them. That's a pretty good deal.

    I was an atheist growing up in D.C. in the mid 70's when I started hearing stories of BYU scoring 40+ points per game and guys named Nielsen and Wilson throwing four and five TD's a game. I was intrigued. So when the missionaries later found my door, I was more receptive, talking football for an hour before they talked religion.

    Sports sells Religion.

  • CG Orem, UT
    June 9, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    "There are media reports from California that the deal will pay about $200,000 per year/school."

    Guaranteed, it's more than $200,000 per year/school. BYU, on it's own, could demand that much per game.

    Whatever the price tag, however, 10 to 15 nationally televised games per year on ESPN is a quantum leap over the one nationally televised conference game BYU had this past season during Jimmermania.

    As a BYU fan, it's fun watching the almost weekly ESPN-BYU announcements driving the kids on the hill into fits of jealous hysteria.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    June 9, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I seem to remember another missionary that Freddie knew but don't remember him specifically.

    I didn't make the connection with his famous family for a couple of weeks. Freddie was really short (5'9"?) and looked like just another missionary. He came by my house on his P-day and I was playing basketball.

    He asked if he could play. I am 6'4" and was pretty good in high school, so I said sure, but I figured I'd go easy on him, me being six or seven inches taller than him. His companion was just smiling and I didn't know why until he beat me 20-0 in the first game. I did better the second time, losing "just" 20-4.

    He came in for some orange juice and saw my "1984 BYU National Championship" book (this was '85 or '86)on the table. He picked it up, flipped through it, grabbed a pen and scribbled in it. I was like, "What are you doing????" I looked at the page and he autographed the page with his picture on it.

    Wow. Fond memories.

    But sorry, don't remember your friend.

  • Deep Thoughts Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Howard,

    Give it a rest already. You sound like a child.

    ===

    To the Cougars:

    Congratulations on your partnership (both in Football and with the WCC) with ESPN. I'm looking forward to seeing what you will do with it. Good luck.

    Go Utes!

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 9, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    And yet, here YOU are Howie S. all over this article sounding all jealous. That is what makes all of this so much FUN. Enjoy your Summer Break, Son.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    @In Stitches 
     
    As a Conference of private schools, the WCC doesn't have to reveal their financial details (just like they don't reveal their caoaches salaries).

    The best part is that it is obviously driving at least one troll crazy because he can't know the details. That right there makes it just plain FUN!
    ******
     
    There are media reports from California that the deal will pay about $200,000 per year/school.
     
    Now thats fun.
     
    ESPN probably pays more for womens bowling, or championship poker.
     
    Oh, and another fun fact is that Utah gets more than $200,000 for a half a quarter of a football game.
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

  • payara OREM, UT
    June 9, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    ESPN and BYU...like dark chocolate and cashews...try some......um um good!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 9, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    hedgehog

    "Do you BYU fans know where the WCC tournement[sic] is played?"

    Yes. Thousands of BYU fans watched the Cougars crush Nebraska in the Las Vegas Classic in the Orleans Arena the same day BYU destroyed Oregon State in the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl.

    It's a nice arena, with comfortable padded chairs and a seating capacity of 7,500 for basketball. The WAC and WCC basketball tournaments were both held in the Orleans Arena this year.

    A word of advice: Spell check is your friend; try it some time.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 9, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    For all you WCC haters lets look at Sweet 16 appearances in the last three years for the 2012 WCC and the PAC 12 teams.

    2011 WCC BYU PAC 12 Arizona
    2010 WCC St Mary's PAC 12 Washington
    2009 WCC Gonzaga PAC 12 Arizona

    So really is the mighty PAC 12 that much better than the WCC? The WCC schools have three different schools representing in the three years. The PAC only has two. The PAC 12 may have more recognizable names, but not sure you can argue that they are a superior conference.

    The number of schools invited to the dance is more about politics (supposed power conferences) Sweet 16 appearances are about superior basketball teams.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 9, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    @Uteology

    A, B, D? Did you get your college education at the U?

    A) I'm fine with the jumbo Tron message. It was true!
    B) I loved max hall's statements. Couldn't have said it any better myself.
    C or D) I'm fine with Jan's and Paul's comments. Support them 100%

    Go Cougars!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 9, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    @Farid

    You lived in West Palm beach while Freddy was there huh? Another one of my buddies, and a former Provo High/BYU guy like Freddy was in that mission at the same time, Eddie Rowe. Did you know him as well?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 9, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    @wedgie

    Actually yes I do know what and where the Orleans arean is. I, like many other BYU fans, attended a tournament there are few years ago that BYU played in and watched them beat Louisville and then lose a very close game to North Carolina. It is a very nice arena actually and it seats 9500 people, not the 6000 you lied about, I actually thought it was a very nice mid sized arena and of course being in Vegas it is a great place to go to attend a tournament. I thought the MWC should have held their tournament there the last few years rather than give unlv home games.

    But thanks again for not knowing what you are talking about while many of the BYU fans on here have actually been there. LOL

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 9, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    As a Conference of private schools, the WCC doesn't have to reveal their financial details (just like they don't reveal their caoaches salaries).

    The best part is that it is obviously driving at least one troll crazy because he can't know the details. That right there makes it just plain FUN!

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    June 9, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    I'll never understand why Utah fans meander over to our message boards and try to give us grief.

    It's kind of like rooting for your team in the opponent's home stadium. You don't jump-and-down and do an in-your-face dance at the other guy's place. You show some respect and remain low-key.

    I acknowledge that after almost thirty years, Utah football has caught up to BYU. They are now both excellent programs. But as a whole, the BYU Athletic Department runs circles around most every school in the west.

    I worked with Kyle Whittingham when he was an assistant at Idaho State. He is a great guy. His brother was a missionary in our ward when we lived in West Palm Beach Florida 25 years ago (Freddy). He's a great guy too.

    Why do some Utah fans have to try to tear down BYU? Because they really believe we're the superior program and the only way to make them look better is to make us look worse.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, WA
    June 9, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    HH:

    Do you find it "arduouse" that your ability to make cogent comments if "fadeing"?

    Fun little sidenote: Even if the arena is half full, there will still be more people there than at the HC to watch the Utes.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 9, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    Fun little sidenote.

    Do you bYu fans know where the WCC tournement is played? Didn't think so...let me clue you in.

    It's called the Orleans casino/ arena. LOL!! It was designed for D list "entertainers" to keep there fadeing careeries on life support. The "arena" holds less than 6,000.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    June 9, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Moderate, u gets dollars from the others games whether the u is on tv or not.

    When I was growing up, my oldest brother was part of group that thought they were the "cool" kids. Myabe they were, maybe they weren't but they had convinced others they were. Kids wanted to be part of the group. Each of the group, six of them, rode their bikes everywhere accompanied by their dogs.

    There was a kid in the neighborhood (Marvin not really his name) who wanted to be part. He did not have a dog or a bike. He was so anxious to belong that he chose to run with the dogs. The boys did not encourage him but his appeals were such that they agreed with the association. My brother and friends shared their food and water whenever they stopped. Marvin was content to take of their acceptance no matter how humilating just to be part and get something to eat and drink.

    He was content to just say he was part of the group. Sound familar.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    June 9, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    The bottom line is that this is absolutely terrific news. To spin it otherwise is foolish. I am sure the game time starts will mirror those of the Pac 10.2 except I'll be able to watch unlike some other teams in the local area.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 9, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    At this point, I'm actually happy that "all other sports" ended up in the WCC. As we know, the first plan was to move all other sports to the WAC. When that idea imploded, I initially thought WCC was a desperation move and football was really just that much more important than all other sports.

    But I've come to realize that the WCC will be a superior basketabll conference to the MWC or old WAC. They new WCC will consistently send two teams to the big dance, frequently three teams, and occasionally four teams.

    We all know BYU, Zags and St Mary's will be contenders year in and year out. But several other teams are returning most of their players and look to be strong contenders in the year(s) ahead.

    ESPN recognizes this and rewarded them with this sweet extension.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 9, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    Uteology

    How ever many times it takes.

    A) Apologized for bad behavior.
    B) Apologized for bad behavior. Granted, you say only because a coach grabbed him by the ear and made him apologize, but that is the point.
    C) Somehow I missed this whole story, can't comment.

    Did I miss Coach Whit apologizing collectively for the team's boorish behavior? Did anyone officially even say they were sorry? Unofficially? It was allowed to happen twice.

    Anybody who watched the game knows how Boise coaches handled their kids who wanted to stand up to the Utah behavior.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 9, 2011 2:37 a.m.

    @ Willary, 5:23 p.m. June 8,

    Glad to see you admit that BYU's 1984 National Championship is RELEVANT!

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, WA
    June 9, 2011 1:53 a.m.

    Chris B | 2:15 p.m. June 8, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Nothing like fighting to be atop the 10th best conference in the nation.

    And there's nothing like fighting to keep from having 5 losing seasons in 7 years. Or to keep enough players to field a team. Or to get an alum to help coach. etc

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    June 9, 2011 1:13 a.m.

    Glad to see the Cougars will be on TV. It makes the BB season much better that trying to listen on the radio.

    For my Utah friends. If Utah was on TV, I would not watch. They are not my team.

    Go Cougars.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    June 9, 2011 12:54 a.m.

    @Howard - "how much?"

    Who cares how much!? BYU doesn't care about the cash return on this. It's a pittance compared to the real value which is increased exposure for the program.

    Howard - seriously. Read the articles. Put 2 and 2 together. BYU has been entirely transparent about this new non-MWC approach. It's isn't about the money. Over and over again. It's about more exposure and that's exactly what ESPN and BYU are doing together.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    June 9, 2011 12:50 a.m.

    Two points...

    1. I'd happily turn down Pac-nn conference invitation and stay Independent indefinitely. The Pac-nn conference is the most overrated and overhyped conference across the board vs. any other conference in America. I respect the programs at Oregon and Stanford, and somewhat at UW, but the rest of the teams are doormats. The U and Colorado just add more doormats.

    2. RE: "look at how much money we're getting...wheee" - Who cares! It's about the scoreboard. I'll take the wins and you can have your humiliating losses and some cash. BYU is not hurting for cash.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    June 9, 2011 12:41 a.m.

    RE: "We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC."

    Just plain LOL.... Never Ever going to happen. Not ever. Ever.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 9, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    @Veritas Aequitas
    Please, tell your players to be on their best behavior. The Vegas Bowl was not a shining moment for Utah.

    Let's keep it classy when representing the state.

    --------------

    How many time are you going to say the same thing? I agree but you call out Cougar Nation first...

    A) BYU apologizes to USU for ill-advised Jumbotron message
    B) BYU football: Max Hall reprimanded [for his tirade] by MWC
    D) BYU football: Lamb, Jorgensen reprimanded for comments in Daily by MWC

    Were you embarrassed by the actions by your players and fans? If so did you call them out before like you the Utes?

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    June 8, 2011 10:52 p.m.

    This is fantastic news! I'm so happy for Dave.

    PLUS, I will get to watch my Cougars play football and basketball on ESPN for years to come. That makes this girl very happy!

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 10:45 p.m.

    Dave S | 2:18 p.m. June 8, 2011
    Holladay, UT
    I hope you enjoy watching those 10:00pm start times Cougar fans!!
    ===

    You also hoped that we would enjoy all those mid-week football games.... Thanks for trying!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    Cougar_Independence | 8:01 p.m. June 8, 2011

    Fact is BYU basketball and football will be on ESPN more often than Utah. Everyone knows that. Question is, Utah is now a little fish in a big pond. What can Utah do? It has no negotiating leverage. BYU is the 600 lb. Gorilla, and Utah is now the ugly, red-headed step child of the PAC 10.2

    Nicely put. LOL is WAY overused but it definitely fit here!

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 8, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    @ Howard S

    Please see my comment at 8:01 pm. Clearly you probably got your education at a public university as well.

    Private schools won't reveal financials.

    How many games does Utah have on ESPN again?

    Go Cougars!

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    "We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC"

    Oh, but you and u won't. Exactly what did the utes show last year that they can win this year? Tough competition blew you and u out of the water (TCU, ND, BSU) and you and u could only muster a 1 point victory over a very young BYU 7-6 team.

    you and U "WILL" not win. Mark that down! We all did!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 8, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    "The Utes may not be on TV as much, but they get paid television dollars regardless of if their game is broadcast or not."

    The life of every cellar dweller in every major conference -- getting paid to be cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    @Howard S. See Cougar_Independence quote above.

    Besides, Howard, I thought that exposure and money didn't matter...isn't it "all about winning" in your words? I'd say BYU's got that down pretty well. We're still waiting for the U to break .500 :)

    As for BYU's marketability, as I stated above, with people around the nation knowing about BYU and Jimmer, I'd say that it's pretty solid. But thanks for your concern :)

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 9:12 p.m.

    The Utes may not be on TV as much, but they get paid television dollars regardless of if their game is broadcast or not.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    How much people???

    It's an indication of the market value of BYU BB.

    Is it more than the ESPN spelling bee, or womens bowling, or championship poker?

    How much....

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 8, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    I don't know how much the deal is worth, but I'm willing to bet that it is a lot more than BYU was getting from the MWC / The MTN.

    And I'm willing to bet that it's about 12 more games on national TV than U will have.

    I haven't checked the Utes site lately. Any more players leaving since Sharp?

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 8, 2011 8:01 p.m.

    @ John in SLC

    "By not mentioning it, the reporter can only leave us to assume the answer to both questions is "Not enough to mention.""

    Actually, the WCC is 100% private universities, so they are not required to release financial information. I know you probably went to a public university (eg. Utah) and got a public education, and so you probably didn't know about the private university protocol, but I'm glad I could educate U.

    Leave it up to BYU grads to always teach U alumni new stuff.

    BYU never releases financial information, and the WCC won't either.

    Fact is BYU basketball and football will be on ESPN more often than Utah. Everyone knows that. Question is, Utah is now a little fish in a big pond. What can Utah do? It has no negotiating leverage. BYU is the 600 lb. Gorilla, and Utah is now the ugly, red-headed step child of the PAC 10.2

    Go Cougars!

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 8, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    @ williary

    "Because BYU has not done anything relevant on the national stage since 1984."

    Yeah, beating Utah 3 times in the last 5 years is not relevant on the national stage because Utah isn't relevant on the national stage.

    Win a national championship Utah, then you sit at the adult table.

    Go Cougars!

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 8, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    @ Chris b

    "We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC"

    Who picked the Utes to win the PAC 12 south in basketball or football? Chris, you picking the utes to win doesn't mean they are going to win!

    Arizona will win the PAC 12 south in football in 2011. Utah can't beat USC, Arizona, or ASU.

    BYU will beat Ole Miss, Utah, and Oregon State.

    Go Cougars!

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    June 8, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    wow, certain "fans" are the biggest idiots in the world.

    BYU is on ESPN lots and lots and lots of times, for years and years and years. Before you throw out words like football on thursdays all the time...look at "your" team's schedule.

    Also note, educate yourself and read your own page...until you realize how bad ute BB is.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 8, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Okay if BYU BB is so marketable, how much were they worth to ESPN?

    Enough for the beancounters at ESPN to want to televise 10 to 15 BYU games in 2011-12.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 7:33 p.m.

    @Harold S "Okay if BYU BB is so marketable, how much were they worth to ESPN?"

    Apparently enough for ESPN to extend their contract with the WCC for another 8 years...isn't that what this article was all about?

    BTW, for both Harold S. and Duckhunter Hunter...talking about marketability and BYU being a national brand. I'm currently working for the summer at a high profile art gallery in Santa Fe, NM. We get people from all over the states, including a lot from the east coast, who come in. Whenever I mention the fact that I'm from Utah, they don't mention anything about the U. But when I tell them I'm going to school at BYU, curiously enough, they immediately mention Jimmer and how good BYU's team was last year.

    So yeah, I'd say BYU's marketability is pretty solid. People from all over the country have definitely had their interest and it's only going to get better with the increased exposure through ESPN. Go Cougars!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    June 8, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Howard S. | 7:07 p.m. June 8, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT
    @uteBusters

    "BYU is a marketable basketball product that fans all over the country are interested in watching."
    *******

    Okay if BYU BB is so marketable, how much were they worth to ESPN?

    hmmmmm?
    ===

    Sooooooo...

    Howard, wait for the announcement of the dollars.

    In the meantime, figure what BYU gets for football.

    And, if you want to know and understand how exposure helps, read the other article in the Des New where Joe Dupaix explains it.

    Just figure BYU's football money, add to it the ESPN basketball money, add to that how much BYUTV makes, throw in the free exposure...

    Then compare a game on FS, VS, and the game BYU put on ESPN for the Utes, and figure what being a second rated member of the PAC costs Utah.

    Utah got disrespected by the PAC. Explain that, please.

    Please, tell your players to be on their best behavior. The Vegas Bowl was not a shining moment for Utah.

    Let's keep it classy when representing the state.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    @uteBusters

    "BYU is a marketable basketball product that fans all over the country are interested in watching."
    *******

    Okay if BYU BB is so marketable, how much were they worth to ESPN?

    hmmmmm?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 8, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    Duckhunter Hunter

    Guaranteed there are more fans nationwide who are interested in watching BYU basketball, than that sorry train wreck on the hill. Without Majerus, Utah is barely above UVU/SUU level.

    Nowadays, Utah barely draws enough fans to fill half the lower bowl at the Huntsman.

    Our once in 30-years talent was only recruited by one other school, but made a bigger splash nationally than any player in Utah history.

    Bogut may have won the Wooden Award, but I don't remember a single highlight of his ever being shown repeatedly on ESPN.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 8, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    "MichiganCoog,

    We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC

    And You?"

    And TCU was picked to win the MWC football championship every preseason from 2005 to 2009. How many times did they win it, and when?

    If Utah wins the PAC south, which is a possibility (and not incredibly unlikely), then it is probably a better indicator of how weak the PAC south is rather than how good the Utes are (look at the end of last year-- Utah needed all the luck in the world to beat one of the worst BYU teams in decades, a BYU team you Ute fans said was a horrible team). BYU will do fine.

    "A troll isn't someone who lives under a bridge, a troll is someone who goes "fishing" for someone who will bite on the bait. If trolls are ignored, they go away."

    I have doubts about this, In My Humble Opinion. Ernest T. Bass is almost always ignored (I've only seen one reply to him in the past few months), yet he continues to go on with his blabber.

  • Bronco Loco Henderson, NV
    June 8, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    Why is so there much hate for the MWC and Thompson? Yeah Thompson is probaly one of the worst commissioners ever but just let it go. The affilition with the MWC is over so why is there so much resentment? Every time I read a comment on these boards it's all about how the MWC did this and that. Just seems like there is alot of bad blood between BYU and Utah fans against the MWC.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    LOL at uteBusters! A once-in-30 years talent comes along and you have a Sweet 16 appearance and suddenly you're a "a marketable basketball product that fans all over the country are interested in watching."

    When you suggest that basketball fans all over the country want to watch BYU, are you referring to existing BYU fans or are you suggesting that, after last season, the average NCAA basketball fan has decided that BYU is now a perennial powerhouse?

    You're losing it, brah. Your last Sweet 16 appearance before this was....1981.

  • Duckhunter Hunter Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    @TJ

    "Your team is playing several big schools because they are in a conference that tells the other schools that they have to play with you."

    In order to be in the situation you are describing, you have to be INVITED to play in the conference. Utah was, which, by default, means that the other schools in the conference wanted to play Utah. Using a little logic goes a looooooong way, sir.

    BYU, on the other hand, was NOT INVITED and, instead, was left on its own.....LOL!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 8, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    Williary

    You have one chance to take it back and make a rational comment instead.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    @TJ

    "These games were earned by BYU because of a nationwide reputation as a top school and national respect for BYU."

    Wow, that couldn't be any further from the truth.

    Those games were earned because BYU has millions of members around the world.

    That's it. Because BYU has not done anything relevant on the national stage since 1984.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 8, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    Chris B,

    The utes will not play a bowl game for at least three years.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    Chris B

    Where did utah finish last year?

    Give it a rest.

    We get it. You don't like BYU.

    But you can't leave it alone, can you.

    -----------

    A troll isn't someone who lives under a bridge, a troll is someone who goes "fishing" for someone who will bite on the bait. If trolls are ignored, they go away.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "Is this contract costing ESPN anything, or is the WCC/BYU paying for the exposure?"

    We're not talking Utah basketball here, which nobody, including Utah fans wants to watch (see Huntsman Center last season).

    BYU is a marketable basketball product that fans all over the country are interested in watching.

    If you're looking for someone to televise Utah basketball, try one of those late night informercial stations.

  • Hondo Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    Jimmer paved the way. And he will pave the way for many Cougs and other WCC players in the future to be early NBA draft picks just like he will be. I've heard that by wearing Shape-Ups he has improved his vertical by 1/4 inch and his foul line to foul line time by .84 seconds.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    Is this contract costing ESPN anything, or is the WCC/BYU paying for the exposure?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 8, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Chris B-- Go to your ute games and enjoy being the doormat of the conference.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Conspicuously absent from this story is the answer to the natural questions that are usually included in recent news reports about college sports TV contracts. They are:
    How much is ESPN paying the WCC for these rights?
    and,
    How will the league divide the proceeds?

    By not mentioning it, the reporter can only leave us to assume the answer to both questions is "Not enough to mention." So if its only about exposure and not about the (lack of) money then I say, Mission Accomplished.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    crisb
    One publication picked U to win the southern division because it is weak and USC can't participate in the championship game.
    The same article predicted Stanford to win the conference championship game by a whole lot of points over TUN.
    The rest have them finishing below Arizona, USC and one even below UCLA. It is one thing to be picked but the games still have to be played.

    BYU has 7 games scheduled to be televised by the world wide leader in sports their first year as an independent. They have games scheduled with many of the top programs in the country over the next 3+ years with many more to be announced. These games were earned by BYU because of a nationwide reputation as a top school and national respect for BYU. Your team is playing several big schools because they are in a conference that tells the other schools that they have to play with you. Doesn't sound so Rosy for your school with your red glasses off does it. I will look for your post on September 17th.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 8, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    Chris B

    Optimal schedule means a great opportunity for the U to do what you say is expected. I hope they can recover and do just that, after their humiliation at LES this fall.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    Big diff between "picked" and "won". When you win a National Championship, come talk.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Chris B

    "We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC"

    Nice dodge, but this is basketball article and the question referred specifically to Utah's basketball prospects for 2011-12, considering how Utah couldn't even beat the WCC bottom dweller, San Diego, last season.

    btw,

    Utah being picked to win the PAC 12 south this year isn't an endorsement of how good Utah football is going to be, it's an indictment of how bad the PAC 12 south in going to be.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    RE: Riddles
    I wouldn't count on BYU going to the Big 12. The Big 12 (read "Texas") is quite happy with 10 teams. There isn't motivation to expand.

    Independence is a great option for BYU. Enjoy it.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    June 8, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    Dave S got PONNED! The times are 10pm EST...which means 8mp on the wasatch front. Keey trying.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    MichiganCoog,

    We're picked to win our PAC 12 division and play in the BCS conference championship game our very first year out of the MWC

    And You?

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    June 8, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    Ahhhhh. Just like the good ol' days in the MWC. Oh wait a second. Perhaps not!! Memo to "Commissioner" Thompson: This is a good thing!! ESPN and national recognition/attention is a good thing. Let's see: ESPN coverage vs. MWC "Network." Hmmmmm. Great contract for the WCC!

  • CG Orem, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    Dave S

    Get a clue yourself.

    Thursday night games are never going to be played earlier than 6pm PT / 9pm ET; most games will be played at 7pm or 8pm PT, which was typical for most weeknight PAC 10 and MWC games last season.

    No real change as far as time slot; BIG change as far a television coverage. Your jealous sniping is meaningless.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Byu has a great deal in the wcc but to say it is better than the Pac 12 is just flat wrong. To go further and say that this basketball deal is some kind of ground breaking accomplishment and BYU's role was monumental in getting this done is a reach at best.

  • Not So Fast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    It seems more and more clear that the mtn's television deal played a big part of the seismic changes in the MWC. In some ways, the TV deal killed the conference along with the lack of leadership that didn't stop the dying of the conference.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    @dave s

    "Check your facts there snack pac. Those would east coast start times you're talking about. Get a clue my friend!!"

    If they were east coast times then they would be two hours earlier in MTN time not two hours later genious. LOL!

    Love how you tell Snack Pac to get a clue when he is actually correct and you can't even add or subtract. LOL!

  • millerdu PROVO, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    8:00 and 10:00 p.m. games are better than no games at all. Utah couldn't beat the weakest WCC basketball team!!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    Moderate;
    Actually, they would sign a long contract without assurance BYU would be there to the end. The WCC had an ESPN contract before BYU joined. You are going to see more good teams with some pull signing contracts like the BYU football contract. Every team for themselves for whatever motivates them. BYU was motivated by exposure. They got that and a bunch of $$ to go with it. Utah desperately needed money so they could compete with BYU and other big time schools. They got that and in 4-6 years this should really start to pay off for them when they have a good start on catching up to BYU and the bigger PAC schools with quality of facilities.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    @Dave S.

    "I hope you enjoy watching those 10:00pm start times Cougar fans!!"

    Actually David; The usual tip off time will be 8:00PM MDT for West coast games.

    It is the same time slot that the PAC is in. Not that you need to worry too much about seeing the TUN on tv for the next few years if there is a WCC game to televise. Can you Imagine any game with your team being televised over a BYU game? Me either.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 8, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Moderate

    "ESPN wouldn't sign that deal without assurance the BYU is long term in the WCC. BYU could still go Big East football-only, though."

    I doubt ESPN got any such long-term commitment from BYU to stay in the WCC. If the Big 12 comes calling in a couple of years, everyone knows BYU won't hesitate to make the jump. As far as the Big East in football only, I'd rather stay an independent. The Big East, with TCU, would simply be the MWC with longer travel.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    Re: Snack PAC

    Check your facts there snack pac. Those would east coast start times you're talking about. Get a clue my friend!!

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    ESPN wouldn't sign that deal without assurance the BYU is long term in the WCC. BYU could still go Big East football-only, though.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Yeah, fighting top of the Tenth best league that Utah just lost to 4 or 5 times to this last winter and spring kinda rings hollow on your arguement doesn't it? What does that say about your Utes's chances in the PAC10.2? Next to no chance of winning much at all, just like your overrated Football team...

    Even though you feel big about being in a supposedly bigger boys league, but can't even beat anyone in the WCC...pretty sad if you ask me. Prepare for total humiliation in your big boys conference B-ball, and continued embarrasing thrashing at the hands of those supposedly weaker conferences that continue to own your Utesies (i.e. BYU, San Diego, Pepperdine, and the like)!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    June 8, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    Chris B

    Where did utah finish last year?

    Give it a rest.

    We get it. You don't like BYU.

    But you can't leave it alone, can you.

    We will see where BYU is after a year or two of WCC/ Independence.

    Until then, your opinions are just that.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 8, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    Dave S | 2:18 p.m. June 8, 2011
    Holladay, UT
    I hope you enjoy watching those 10:00pm start times Cougar fans!!

    ---------------------

    Nice try jealous one, but the starts will be 6pm/8pm on Thursdays and Saturdays.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 8, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    More games on ESPN = more recruits watching BYU = better BYU recruiting

    not to mention, better access to BYU basketball for all BYU fans.

    A win-win-win-win-win...

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    Reports are this is the biggest deal ESPN has ever signed with a non-BCS conference (take note CT) and the most extensive coverage ESPN has ever signed with a non-football league. BYU played a SIGNIFICANT role in the negotiations.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    I am so glad to be out of the Craig Thompson conference!

    ESPN appreciates BYU...the WCC is a lot sexier with BYU in place....they are both being rewarded by ESPN.

    NO MO MOUNTAIN!

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    I hope you enjoy watching those 10:00pm start times Cougar fans!!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    The BYU-ESPN partnership is working like a well-oiled machine.

    Just imagine what Jimmermania would have become if BYU-ESPN had been partners this past season?

    Well done Tom!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    Nothing like fighting to be atop the 10th best conference in the nation.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    June 8, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    Said it before and I will say it again, I would prefer the WCC to a BCS conference for basketball. Incredible exposure, good money and a chance to win the conference tournament every year. And unlike football whoever wins the Conf Tourn has a chance to win it all. Just make the tournament in basketball.

    Looks like ESPN didn't mind that the WCC had "high school gyms." It's estimated that BYU will be on an ESPN network at least 12-15 times per year. Recruits are going to love that! Also, because of Gonzaga's exposure on ESPN teams are much more willing to play at Gonzaga. The same will start happening for BYU. BYU will be able to schedule a very strong OOC schedule and get some great games in the Marriott Center (where they do not lose very frequently). Exciting times.