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Columnist: Mitt Romney swings between 'Good Mitt,' the possible future president, and 'Bad Mitt,' the hyperbolic candidate

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  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    June 9, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    On the road with Mitt Romney, "Baby, You Can [not] Drive My [$220,000] Car." The jobs data was, of course, not a step in the right direction of course (analysts had expected a decline in filings) but the number was small enough not to derail the perception that the job market will improve later this year and more so, next year. Such a take on the US labor situation was also present in Philly Fed President Plossers remarks made in London earlier today. Mr. Plosser projected that US joblessness levels will likely decline to between 7 and 7.5 percent by the end of 2012. While that is not quite full employment it is certainly a far cry from the present 9.1% level of unemployment manifest in America. That said, it is also worth noting that US exports grew to a record $175.6 billion in April- a statistic that flies squarely in the face of those who claim that the US produces and sells nothing anymore. The US dollar traded at near flat-to-slightly-lower levels early this morning in the wake of fresh US economic statistics.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    June 9, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    Since when does anyone care what the Democrats think about Romney? They are not going to vote for him anyway.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    June 9, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    What is Mitt going to do?

    So far he has said he will put thousands of people back to work? Why hasn't he brought those ideas to the table already? Orrin Hatch and Bob Bennett say the GOP does not know how to fix the high unemployment. Is Mitt being honest or just secretive?

    Has Mitt volunteered to go after military spending which takes 25% of the US budget. Actually he has not.

    He has told the voting base he will repeal Obamacare which so far has not cost the country one dime. Are there good things about Obamacare? I guess not as Mitt is just going to trash it and leave it laying in the ditch. He will replace it with what?

    Romney seems Clintonesque in his desire to get in front of every camera in this country.

    Is he going to leave the millionaires with their tax breaks? How will he help the average American. He has been campaigning for 2.5 years now and he still hasn't answered those questions.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    June 8, 2011 11:35 p.m.

    That means ~2/3rds of all voters could possibly vote for a Mormon.
    What's so bad about that?

  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    June 8, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    Pagan posted:
    And lost.

    In 2008.
    ----------------------
    Actually, Romney won MA in the Primary. So the next time MA had a chance to vote for him, he won. It was simply for the primary, not for a 2nd term as Governor.

  • greenman108 Petaluma, CA
    June 8, 2011 9:40 p.m.

    Neil wrote: "The only people that have an issue with this are evangelical christians who are convinced that LDS are members of a religious cult." .... no kidding. Would you like to define religious cult? I predict that any majority sect will call any minority sect, a cult. Its divisive language. I am therefore a member of a cult. the LDS certainly has some interesting features which the majority would consider cult-like. For one, the fact that the leadership can change the official dogma. While that is also true of the Catholic church, they have 47 million members in the USA, so they get to say they are a religion, not a cult. The fundamentalist's protestant religion does not change. That is a feature. They are into the fact that its the same interpretation of the O.T. and the N.T. as whenever the KJ was first translated. They overlook that the KJ was made using N.T.s from a few other languages and cultures, and preen over the wording that they learned as a child. Oh well. LDS is therefore a cult, sure enough. Look up the definition. Majority rule defines the outsiders.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    Does anyone have a problem with an active Mormon serving as majority leader of the United States Senate? I didn't think so. LDS serve and have servedin high political offices including cabinet level positions. The only people that have an issue with this are evangelical christians who are convinced that LDS are members of a religious cult. I hope Mitt continues to run and ignores all the critics.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    June 8, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    re:Truth?: so you're saying he wasn't mature as while running for gov. in 2002? Mitt was 55 during that campaign. He was for the women's right to choose before he was against it? to paraphrase another pol. what about instituting a health care plan nearly identical to Obama's and then blasting Obama's plan? I'll take a Carter or Obama or any other man that stands up for what he believes before a man that changes opinions with the winds. Even if I mat disagree with some stands, at least they are a stand.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 6:39 p.m.

    @FDR....the church believes in abortion and is pro choice...didn't you get the pulpit memo? :ROLLING EYES:

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 8, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Kami,
    What is the church's position on abortion? Some people consider it pro life and others consider it pro choice.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    Obama is a disaster......if the us offered him a trillion dollars to resign we would still save trillions!

    If Mitt has lost any ground it is because he believes in human caused Global Warming.....Mitt would support Cap and Tax....I am liking Texas Gov Rick Perry more and more everyday~

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    June 8, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    Question mostly for active members of the LDS church (anyone else feel free to answer, but you might not know the doctrine of the church). The church has NEVER EVER changed its position on abortion. It has NEVER flipflopped on this issue. Romney has. Can you honestly look yourself in the mirror and make an excuse for him that he simply became more educated, more mature, or whatever excuse you are making for him on this issue? Come on now ... at least be honest about his flip flopping and acknowledge that he did it for political reasons. NO active member of the church, especially one who has been an active member for many years, would EVER need to be educated about the church's position on abortion. It is just something that we all know. To flip flop on this issue cannot have anything to do with becoming more educated about it.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    "one thing I'm not going to do in running for president is become a spokesman for my church or apply a religious test "

    Mitt, I don't believe you.

  • greenman108 Petaluma, CA
    June 8, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    I notice comments about the current 9% unemployment. That is going to get much lower, now that states are making it a requirement to check whether a would-be hire is a citizen. The unemployed will fill the jobs that the illegals leave open.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    RE: Furry1993

    Could you show us how he is a "flip-flopper"?

    I just do not see it.

    HE changed his stand on abortion ONCE as he gained more information and maturity, NOT a flip flop.

    (are you telling us one should keep the same stupid or wrong stand after gaining new and more information?)

    He supported state health care, but was against FEDERAL healthcare, different animals, again not a flip flop.

    Again how has he flip flopped?

    Romney has not gone back and forth on an issue, like many liberal and rinos for popularity (tell one thing to one group tell another to another group) and political expediency, that is the true definition of a flip flopper.

    So, again, how has he flip flopped?

    Apart from being a little silver-spooned I believe he would make a very good president.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    Yes Mitt is a flip flopper and I challenge any one to find a president in the past 100 years who wasn't a flip flopper at some point as a governor or senator. Flip flopping isn't so bad as long as the man ends up learning from it and changing his position for the right reasons. Everyone in leadership makes a mistake in policy and has to change however there are those who change just to satisfy the current political winds blowing at the time (Clinton) and then there are those who are stuck in their ideology and will never change (Carter and Obama). Mitt has flipped over gay rights and abortion and health care but as far as I'm concerned he is right on the money on all of these important issues now which is all that really matters.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    June 8, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    regadless of what Utahns (and Mormons) believe,the fact that Mitt is a Mormon will come in to play. I lived in the Biblr belt for two years and learned first-hand how much Mormons are disliked and distrusted by evangelicals. They generally believe that Mormons are Pagans and cultists and that a Mormon candidate is likely the AntiChrist. I don't believe that most of them would vote for a progressive but, they certainly will not show up at the polls to vote for an LDS candidate.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    June 8, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    @Fitness Freak, you said, "The lamestream media likes to report (from whatever source)poll numbers that compliment THEIR CANDIDATE, but be even quicker to report whatever numbers show the Repubs. lagging behind their candidate."

    What is your adjective for media you support, which reports poll numbers that compliment YOUR CANDIDATE, even when other pools are reporting other numbers?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    'Your implication is he ran and lost. Mitt didn't run a second time, hence no opportunity for MA to re-elect him. He accomplished what he went in to do (turn MA's debt into surplus) and has since strived to accomplish the same for the good ole USofA.' - LDSareChristians | 3:23 p.m. June 8, 2011

    And lost.

    In 2008.

    Or was that Romney and Palin running against Obama in 2008, and loosing?

    Deceitful, indeed.

  • LDSareChristians Anchorage, AK
    June 8, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Pagan posted: And, he wasn't elected by MA a second time.
    -
    You posted the same yesterday. An irrelevant and deceitful statement.

    Your implication is he ran and lost. Mitt didn't run a second time, hence no opportunity for MA to re-elect him. He accomplished what he went in to do (turn MA's debt into surplus) and has since strived to accomplish the same for the good ole USofA.

    Go Mitt!

  • Furry1993 Somewhere in Utah, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    To Chris B | 1:44 p.m. June 8, 2011

    "Any" Mitt would be an improvement over the flip-flopper we see now? Yes, I agree. And "No" Mitt would be even better.

  • Furry1993 Somewhere in Utah, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    As far as I can see from his record, he's flip-flopper Mitt. We don't need him. We deserve better.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    I actually think Mitt would make the best president by far of any of the candidates but I don't see him getting elected. Too much Mormon hate and scare in the county. Mitt is good and proven with economics and this country is in dire need of strong leadership with our economy not only here at home but globally. Our current green horn socialist president is pathetic and is destroying wealth faster than he can re-distribute it! Heaven help us if we have to endure 4 more years of Obama.... 9% unemployment will be the good ole days!!

  • stubifier Kearns, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    Romney's flip-flopping doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I prefer politicians who can think for themselves and change their minds as the situation warrants. But Romney's forceful condemnation of Obama's health care bill, in light of his own experiences as the governor in MA, really turns me off. He uses the same frenzied ideological rhetoric as other Republicans, when I think he would do better to criticize it as a failed bill.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    June 8, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    Does this fall under that category that any news about him is good news? Just getting his name out there daily?

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    I agree with the assessment - my problem with him is the inconsistency. Sometimes you have to state your opinion and agree to disagree. He talks too much like the consummate politician. If he would talk openly of his flip-flops, be honest about his opinions, I think he would lose a few hard-core people but win a lot more of mainstream America.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    Swinging both ways should get him a lot of votes.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    Keep in mind:

    The lamestream media is doing ALL THEY CAN to help get Obama re-elected. If one reads these types of articles with a raised eyebrow you can usually see through them.

    Whoever is the daily "front-runner" for the Repubs. will receive disparaging comments. Sometimes subtly, sometimes overtly.

    The lamestream media likes to report (from whatever source)poll numbers that compliment THEIR CANDIDATE, but be even quicker to report whatever numbers show the Repubs. lagging behind their candidate.

    At this point I don't have a particular favorite in the Republican field, but I take issue with those in the lamestream media who purport to know WHICH CANDIDATE is best for me.

    Its also interesting to note that they tend to discourage mostly those right-of-center but praise those moderate candidates like Huntsman who are MOST LIKE their first pick - Pres. Obama.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    "Any" Mitt would be an improvement' - Chris B | 1:44 p.m. June 8, 2011

    Than the current Mitt?

    Well, he DID loose the 2008 nomination. Even Sarah Palin got farther...before loosing.

    And, he wasn't elected by MA a second time.

    I guess I would agree Chris.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    June 8, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    I guess being reasonable and diplomatic means you are pandering. It also means you are a flip-flopper. It seems that many don't like Romney for the very things that would make him a good president.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    "Any" Mitt would be an improvement

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 8, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    The problem is that Mitt Romney must run as a Republican politician to get the nomination. If he ran as a statesman who understands the issues, as I believe he does, he would get enough broad support to win the Presidency. But until we throw out the primary system we will get more partisan politics as usual. And he may not even be nominated.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Oh no! This guy makes it sound like Mitt is bad because he won't print money, borrow and spend. Why is that bad? Just because not everyone in this nation would like to become a third world country, it doesn't mean that Mitt is bad.