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Published: Tuesday, June 7 2011 8:04 p.m. MDT

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JustAsking
Saint George, UT

This report also found:
"Overall, employees value cash compensation several times more than health coverage. Further, many younger employees also value career-development opportunities and work-life balance more than health benefits," McKinsey says. 60 percent of employees surveyed expect employers to offer higher wages if they drop insurance coverage, and most employers said they probably would.

Another reason why employees might tolerate the axing of their benefits is that the policies offered by the state exchanges may be better and cheaper for them."

Sounds like a win win....

Again Hooray for Change!!!! Hooray for the economy!!! Hooray for Obama Care!!!!!!

mkSdd3
Ogden, UT

It is easy for those that support Obamacare to look forward with an optimistic eye right now. We are only speculating how the system will work and what the benefits will be. The promise of universal health care is easy to look at with rose colored glasses. But can any of those supporters help me out and give me any government run program that is run well?

I just need a glimmer of hope.

All government run programs are slow, long lines, inefficient, and a big pain to deal with. I know that this is a huge generalization, that is why I am asking for the example of a well run program so I can pin my hopes on that.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Obamacare has thus;
1) Limited choice and competition' - J-TX | 9:56 a.m. June 8, 2011

This would make sense...

if you provided even ONE health insurance comapny that went under after 'Obamacare'.

Since you didn't....

What healthcare providers are you factually DENIED from using?

You didn't say.

Also, major healthcare provides could 'opt out' anytime! It was called a 'pre-existing condition.'

*'Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine - 04/23/10

And last, if you cannot see that healthcare cost's have been going up...

since 1981...

supported by the American Journal of Medicine in 2009...

which I posted on 9:25 a.m. June 8, 2011!

Well...

I cannot help you if you want to 1) Created and 2) Ignore the facts of the matter.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Had Obama ever run a company, worked in a company or had any experience in business, he would have seen this coming.

It's about time we send a man to to do a man's job.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh thank you, oh wise barackupcy! Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend!! Yes oh Yes it feels soo good to run the country into the ground.

We don't need silly jobs!

We have welfare and a nanny state to make all the bad go away:)

Let's make barry huessein obama our king! There is no chance of corruption, greed, deals with big business like GE, GMC, OIL, ACORN, Weiner etc!

Let's face it pagan you're leader is going down the toilet. Pelosi did keep one promise. The swamp in DC is going to be drained of the filth. They cleaned out a good portion of it last election. Come on 2012 and we'll clean out some more of it!

JustAsking
Saint George, UT

J-TX your increases in cost for insurance are on par with previous year increases. 18% is consistent with historical year over year averages going back for almost 7 years.

I suppose you are writing President Bush a scathing letter complaining about it.

Obama Care is not to blame for your woes. In fact thanks to Obama care you will be able to find coverage for your wife in the future. That is definitely an option not available in the past.

J-TX
Allen, TX

JustAsking - One of the big promises (lies) from Obama about his "health care reform" was that it was going to save me money. It was going to put pressure on the big Insurance companies to increase efficiency in order to compete. It was going to force Pharmaceutical companies to make reasonable profits. Bullocks!

And as long as I stay under a group plan, my wife will remain covered, though the out-of-pockets are going to go up and up and up.

I'm not only criticizing Obamacare because it hasn't done / isn't doing / won't do what it promised. I am criticizing our government of the last 25 years for allowing the Health Care industry to rape the American people. I am equally criticizing them for not passing Tort Reform to limit malpractice awards, which is a major determinant in rising health care costs.

We don't treat the disease in this country. We treat the symptoms in a reactive mode that buries the economy and the average citizen in red tape and national debt.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Let's face it pagan you're leader is going down the toilet.' - Liberal Ted | 10:43 a.m. June 8, 2011

Well, at least your going away from calling Obama 'boy', as the first black president.

But if your implying he's 'my' leader...

do you feel that you are above the President of the United States and shouldn't have to follow his legal orders?

I have almost NEVER agreed with George W. Bush, but I never claimed he WASN'T President of the United States.

Just a bad one.

And then, dosen't that mean he was YOUR leader, that you elected...

twice?

screenname
Salt Lake City, UT

Pagan-

You claimed in your post at 9:25 am that employers were going to drop coverage before Obamacare was enacted. Do you have any evidence that this is true?

Keep in mind that this survey specifically mentions that a higher percentage of companies indicated they might drop coverage due precisely to Obamacare:

"the McKinsey consultants explained the law's [Obamacare] "implications for their companies and employees" before asking for a response, according to the report..."

It appears that a large number of the companies contemplating dropping health insurance is a result of Obamacare, not the rising costs of health insurance.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'You claimed in your post at 9:25 am that employers were going to drop coverage before Obamacare was enacted. Do you have any evidence that this is true?' - screenname | 11:58 a.m. June 8, 2011

Well, I thought the date, time and source of healthcare companies dropping patients for 'pre-existing conditions' was evidence enough.

*'Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine - 04/23/10

But true this is not the 'employers' per se'.

Just the insurance companies they employ.

Does this mean you would get any health insurance if your insurance company, provided by your employer dropped you?

No.

And how does the study 'precisely' name Obamacare...

if you have to insert the word?

It's called HEALTHCARE reform.

Also, I cited a 81% increase in bankrupcies from the American Journal of Medicine. That is a direct corelation.

Or are you implying that a more than 3/4ths increase in bankrupcy, from 1981 till today, should be ignored...

instead of healthcare reform, signed a little over one year ago?

And last, was a Public Option INCLUDED in healthcare reform?

No. It wasn't.

Belching Cow
Sandy, UT

@IDC
Bingo! You hit the nail on the head.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Pagan | 9:25 a.m. June 8, 2011

Why should employers be expected to pay for something Obamacare is going to take care of? If employers are given options they should be expected to take the one that costs them the least. A win win for everybody ..... except maybe for the taxpayers and they're expendable.

screenname
Salt Lake City, UT

Pagan-

I inserted the word "Obamacare" because it was an antecedent. Since I didn't include the antecedent in the quote itself, its meaning is unclear. It's a common practice. It's very obvious from many quotes in the article that employers are dropping health insurance coverage due to Obamacare.

It's quite a logical leap to jump from a health insurance company dropping individual policy holders to employers dropping health insurance coverage from its benefits. They're completely different animals. I ask again, do you have any evidence for your claim that employers were dropping coverage before the law was enacted?

I also have no idea where you got the idea that an increase in the number of bankruptcies should be ignored. What did I say that implied that? How do bankruptcies apply to employers dropping certain benefits?

What does a public option being included in health care reform have anything to do with my argument? I'm not even sure whose points you're trying to rebut. Strawman, perhaps?

ouisc
Farmington, UT

The best way to keep costs down is through competition. Eliminating competition is not good for medical costs or clinical outcomes.

I am fully in favor of universal coverage. But I am adamantly opposed to the government driving the market for heatlhcare coverage.

Somebody once again claimed U.S. healthcare is not as good as Europe. Note a couple of huge differences: Europe is perfecting U.S. innovation (much like Japan did in the technology revolution) while the U.S. continues to pour more and more money into medical research (such as a huge part of Obama's economic "stimulus" spending).

So our president has done the two things to healthcare that we really can't afford right now: 1) discouraged competition, and 2) increased healthcare costs.

And please stop thinking healthcare is perfect outside of the U.S. France and parts of Canada (British Columbia) are actually looking to re-privatize health insurance coverage due to government ineffectiveness. Single payer really isn't such a golden idea.

What we need to do is find a way to get the world to pay the U.S. for our healthcare and pharmaceutical innovation!

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Let's see how long it is before the federal government starts "borrowing" just short term from health care to pay for pet projects and other pork and bribe their followers to vote for them again. That's why social security is in such trouble. Borrow Borrow Borrow, the next generation can pay. Borrow now, think later attitude is not working. I have $15 Trillion reasons why it's not working. That's pretty compelling arguement right there. I don't care where the money was spent or the programs created from it. It's debt! Pure and simple. Debt is NOT prosperity! Debt is the opposite of prosperity. We are NOT the richest country in the world. We are just as poor as the third world countries we're borrowing from.

Why can't the left wrap that around their heads? It's simple. They don't care what happens. Their attitude is as long as they're taken care of (live for today)don't worry about tomorrow.

Well I'm not interested in passing debt on to other generations. Our legacy is either debt or surplus. I would rather have surplus as our legacy.

Belching Cow
Sandy, UT

Does anyone really understand what Pagan's posts are about? Most of the time I skip over them cause they don't make any sense. Today I decided to try and make sense of a couple of them with no luck.

screenname
Salt Lake City, UT

Pagan,

It is not a study. It is a survey, as indicated by the article. I'm beginning to suspect you didn't even read it (the article).

My questions were only to give you an opportunity to make sense of your post and how it related to mine. Because you cannot answer the questions adequately, you refuse to. If you would stay on topic with your posts, I wouldn't have so many questions about them.

Why can't you help me make the connection? Because there is no connection. Share an example of a BUSINESS declaring bankruptcy because of the rising costs of insurance, and you MIGHT have a point. But even then, it'd be inconclusive, unsupported by ANY sources, and pure conjecture on your part. How does an individual declaring bankruptcy have any effect on the business that employs him/her?

I understand that health care costs have been skyrocketing. They continue to skyrocket under Obamacare. Care to provide any evidence that Obamacare has reduced the rate at which health care costs are increasing?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Hmmm, as I recall the GOP was forecasting this very thing happening about a year ago when Obamacare was being rammed down our throats and of course the demo-rats were promising no such thing would happen. Oh and I'm just certain this has nothing to do with all the insane mandates, taxes and crap that Obamacare is and will be lumping on employers going forward. Isn't this convienent that employers start dropping their benefits for health care just in time for the big brother government to come sweeping in and save the day with their own insurance. Oh and I'm just certain this is just a coincidence. NOT!!!!! This has been the plan from day one with Obamacare - to create a giant government dependence and increase their al-mighty power over our lives. I smell a single payer plan about to be re-introduced by the chosen one.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Pagan/Pagen

The point of this whole story is that a third of employers may drop health plans in 2014 thanks to Mr. Obama. When government gets its fingers into something you can't possible expect it to succeed .... with the possibility of wars we start, the post office, social security, and oh yes, no child left behind.

SpanishImmersed
Mesa, AZ

I guess we're all going to be on social medicare, cradle to grave. Goodbye to the health care system we have known....BlueCross, Cigna, Humana, MetLife, Kaiser, United, DMBA, Aetna, etc...

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