Sorry Brad, but their isn't going to be any "winning" in this lockout
- only different degrees of losing. These guys should come to a settlement now
before the fans get disgusted with this bunch of millionaires complaining about
how bad they've got it.
Stupid lockout...otherwise Jazz would really have a #3 pick
Best scenario:1. Lockout happens, but is quickly over when players
realize fans aren't totally behind them, and many players come to the
realization they're too in debt to last a year not playing. High-paid superstars
won't care, but a majority of the players do and put pressure on the group to
give in.2. NBA season is revived with the owners' key demands met.
Some player demands are met in compromising. (I'm not sure what those would
be--there likely are some, though.)3. Teams' rosters get majorly
jumbled due to the new hard cap. Talent gets more evened out--no more Miami or
Boston type teams.4. Fans are rewarded with a bit lower ticket
prices.5. Every NBA fan now has a legitimate chance to see their
team in the NBA finals, depending on the quality of ownership and coaching, of
course.In a perfect world.Guess we can always dream.
Player's don't start missing their first paycheck until Mid November and are
paid twice a month. Once they reach an agreement, it will take 30 days before
they can begin the season. So, until the players have missed 2-3 paychecks,
there probably won't be any agreement. If they reach an agreement by Dec. 15
(after they have missed 3 paychecks) we will have a 50 game season that starts
in early to mid January. Another factor that works in the owner's favor
is the fact that NBA careers are finite. A good career is considered 10+ years.
No one wants to lose out on 10% of their career earnings. Also, if you are a
vet at the end of your career, or you are a team that is built to win now, ie
Celtics, Spurs, Lakers, then you want to play ball now before your
"window" closes. Finally, unlike the NFL, NBA players will have
a harder time claiming irrepairable harm to their careers in the court system as
there are other overseas leagues where they can play (there is more than one
employer). There is no such "other" league for NFL players.
So The "Booze" buys a 2.4 mil house and puts 25% down, I wonder where
the millions he made while playing and sitting for the Jazz have gone? Pathetic,
and I personnaly couldn't care less. It's the fans and more to the point
citizens of this countrry who pay for every cent of income to both the
"GREEDY" players and owners. What is the most pathetic about all of
this is that taxpayers and consumers who "never" watch, attend, or
have any interest at all in any of these pro sports are the financiers of the
greeds mentioned above. Advertising of advertisers products pays a
"big" percentage of the outragous incomes for these primma-donnas.
It's time fans and taxpayers had a say in how much these jerks make and the same
goes for this phony advertising that media has been selling all of us forever
that inflates everything we exist on daily in our lives. Rebel fans and public,
and let them all know enough is enough!
Again, I have no sympathy for the owners who will do anything they can to win
and get around their own salary caps with exception rules and such. Nobody
forced Larry Miller to give Andre Kirilenko a max contract and Kirilenko got all
he could, nothing wrong with that. Nobody put a gun to the Timberwolves owners
giving Kevin Garnett 125 million over 7 years. No player IMO is overpaid if an
owner is willing, no matter stupid that decision may be, to give him that money.
We'll be doing this in another five years or so.And one last thing
before we call the players whiny millionaires or whatever, it's the owners of
many a professional franchise forever asking the taxpayers to foot their new
stadiums and arenas. At least Garnett never asked the taxpayers to foot his
salary through corporate welfare.
Dear Brad Rock, Yes they too have mortgages. BUT It's pathetic if millionaires
cannot live on their exhorbitant salaries. If they do not have sufficient put
away in good accounts pehaps the NBA should make it MANDATORY they attend
financial planning classes.
The lockout will be at least until Dec 1st when the players miss their 2nd
paycheck. By then, they may not be able to salvage the season in time. Last time the NBA caved into the NBAPA, giving the present unworkable
contracts. This time the differences are much, much greater. This isn't just
reworking the numbers, but an entirely new agreement.
I agree with Rock on this one. BUT, I believe the owners should also remember
the fans in this. If they are going to keep the salaries in check then they
should also keep ticket prices in check.
Eagle makes a very good point. Contracts are given accordingly to the perceived
"output" of a player. Have teams been stung.? Absolutely! Have
players been overpaid...? Assuredly! It is an entertainment based
conglomerate,,, The NBA in 2010, posted income of over..wait for it 4 billion
dollars! However, this country is based upon CAPITALISM And FREE markets.
Nobody wants to see these players whine when making so much cake, but if we were
in their shoes, wouldn't we want to make more for our talents? By the pole, it
looks like most agree with the owners, in which I agree, they are the ones who
took the r.i.s.k. of taking on a team etc, etc,. However, taxpayers paying for
their buildings etc, has a lot to do with city planners, and government pukes.
I'm a big bball fan, I hope they resolve it. If not bring on women's bikini
Moreover, In the world of golf, a player is paid in direct
proportion to his ability to play.
too bad there isn't a Locke-out in Jazzland.
If you want the next 5 years to be the Heat, Lakers, Chicago, and one or two
other big market teams winning and having 3 all-stars each, let's let the
current CBA continue. If you want a chance in Jazzland to keep a player with an
expiring contract, or pick up a free agent, then things have to change. i won't
watch another NBA game until there is a hard(er) cap in place to protect the
"Sports Illustrated reported a two years ago that 60 percent of NBA players
go bankrupt within five years."This is in stark contrast to
John Stockton. He froze his mom's lasagne to eat his rookie season just in case
things didn't pan out. I also remember him driving to the Delta Center in a mini
van. It is beyond me that anyone who makes that much money wouldn't put most of
it away for the future.
"Besides, I always thought the owner of a business decided how much the
employees made, not the other way around."Nope, it is the
market that decides how much the employee is worth. For instance, the Jazz
owner wanted to pay Wesley Matthews less than the market thought he was worth,
so we walked.I just don't agree with guaranteed contracts. For
example, AK was guaranteed to get $18 million last year and the Jazz were
guaranteed to get a player worth more around $5 million.
How different would NBA play be (e.g., players' competitive efforts), if they
got paid each year according to their output?Don't know how such a
system could even be effected, but it'd be interesting to see the affect it
would have on the players and the game.If the NFL and NBA both tank,
there might be a lot of quiet Sundays across the nation. College sports would be
the ONLY talks of the towns.
think about it this way...you get to play a sport you love for millions of
dollars...you get to go to the gym work out...you get to see the sights of
different cities....you get to meet celebrities...and a chance to be one...and
they still arent happy with it?...do they really need luxury cars?...do they
really need 15 bed room mansions for just 5 people?...its just funny how people
spend their money...if i have the talent and i get paid at least 1M dollars to
play...heck..i'd be more than happy to...i'd buy a three bedroom house...and a
second hand car...and i'll stash the rest away...for my kid's education and for