Would Romney's election signal an end to anti-Mormonism?
While asking Americans to rise above religious bias, as was done when Catholic
John Kennedy was elected President, it is doubtful that Mormons in government
offices will themselves honor separation of church and state. In Utah, alcohol
laws are dictated by Mormon belief because the majority of legislators are
Mormon and do everything they can to restrict alcohol sales. Proof: If the
legislature was made up of mostly Catholics or Buddhists, would the alchohol
laws be the same? No way. The law gets as close to Mormon doctrine as it can.
Mormon politicians, for the most part, vote whatever will make their religious
leaders happy. If you want to elect people who honor separation of church and
state, you don't elect Mormons. It's their official doctrine that they will take
over the U.S. and they have no qualms about passing laws guided only by their
The headlines to this article are telling. That is why he won't get elected.
Methodists, catholics, etc., would never ever like such a headline. But here it
is ok. Too provincial, too ... well, Mormon.Obama will win again.
When I hear conservative commentators saying President Obama isn't a "real
American" and all the other "birther" nonsense I question whether
our country has really gone beyond racial prejudice.
Best of luck, Mitt. Looking at our economy and looking at your track record of
turnaround, you are the right choice.
No one knows at this point whether Mitt can be elected or not. NO ONE! Obama
is doing such a terrible job that even evangelicals might be willing to put
their ignorance and prejudice aside and vote for a Mormon. No one knows what
will happen. But, I think Mitt does have a real shot this time. It would show
that America has really made a lot of progress.
I don't know that there is a strong anti-mormon bias in this country, it's just
that we don't tend to trust people who have beliefs that we don't understand,
We also like to affiliate with people who have similar cultural backgrounds.
You can see this in the overwhelming support among Republican Mormons for Mitt.
I don't think they are anti-non-mormon, they just like someone like themselves.
A couple of thoughts. Trotting out black Mormons who support President Obama to
add credibility to the argument of electing a Mormon president (who would have
to defeat President Obama), takes a lot of gall by this newspaper. Will you
stop at nothing? Second, if Mormons want mainstream acceptance, electing a
Mormon Democrat as President would do more for that cause than electing someone
like Romney who merely reinforces the stereotypes. Utah can't even elect a
Democrat to the Senate and sends extreme conservatives to the Senate (when Hatch
is too liberal for Utah, that's a perfect sign that Utah is out of the
mainstream). Mormons want mainstream acceptance, yet they are firmly planted on
the right extreme of of the political spectrum, based on their voting. Mormons
as a whole don't even care much for Democrats in their midst. How will this
ever lead to mainstream acceptance?
CNN is running a front page poll on their website asking if America is ready for
a Mormon president. As of this posting, 59% say no. Since when does religion or
ethnicity matter in the candidate? Are we Americans becoming more prejudiced as
time goes on? Imagine if JFK were not elected because he was Catholic and not
Protestant like the majority of the US at the time.
I'd vote for Huntsman but never Romney.@Cats; Obama is doing a much
better job than his predecessor, and I sincerely doubt that buy-em and
break-em-up and cut-the-staff Romney would do any better.
It takes almost a century to prepare a person for a time in history. With
politics and the auto industry DNA in his blood, experience as a successful
businessman, having advanced degrees in business and law from Harvard, being an
articulate author and speaker, elected governor in one of the most liberal
states in our nation, showing fidelity to his wife and family, serving our
nation by saving the Olympics, serving honorably in many church callings
including as a Stake President, Romney has been prepared for this time of
economic crisis. We don't have time to raise up another with such credentials.
Mormon or not, we can unite behind this most uniquely qualified canidate for
President of the United States of America.
@ Wolfgang57 | 1:15 a.m. June 3, 2011 Ever think that Utah's Mormon
legislators might vote through things the Mormons want NOT from pressure from
the Church, but that those votes reflect the desires of their constituency -
which is overwhelmingly LDS in the state?Now I know SLC is not
overwhelmingly LDS. But the state is. Somebody has a chip on their shoulder.
Where's the salsa?
And the hand wringing continues......
I understand that many have a hard time with LDS beliefs. But all religious
beliefs can seem strange and illogical to others in the same way. For example,
millions are just fine with a Catholic candidate who believes the wafer and wine
he takes on Sunday literally turns into the body and blood of Christ as he
consumes it. No discarded logic there. But a Mormon candidate who believes
Joseph Smith came up with new scripture from golden plates? No - that is just
asking us to bend logic way too much!It is just so interesting how
humans can become absolutely comfortable with their own religious beliefs
regardless the mental gymnastics required while finding other's so strange and
unacceptable. LDS obviously do the same thing.
"You'd be surprised," said Feldman, "by how many people pride
themselves on having no prejudices at all but preserve a little place in their
heart for this kind of soft anti-Mormon prejudice."That is an
interesting quote in the article. It probably comes as no surprise to many by
how many mormons pride themselves on having no prejudice at all but perserve a
little place in their heart for pro-mormon prejudice when it comes to election
decisions.I am active LDS, but I don't vote according to what church
someone visits on Saturday or Sunday.
@ CaliforniaCougar,your right on the money, no pun intended. It the
economy and that is what Americans want is a turn around not another down turn.
this Election is Mitts to lose.
RanchHandCut the staff is what this country needs right now. When you have
at least 5 departments doing the same job you are wasting money. If we cutt alot
of these government jobs and make them go back into the real world we will need
less tax money to pay the ev er increasing government payrole. We can then let
companies get back to what they are supposed mto do, create jobs from the
private sectore not pay more and moe taxes for the government to make jobs that
only cause us to go farther into debt.
If he never talks about defending the United States Constitution I don't care if
he's LDS. I'm LDS and I support Ron Paul!
J-TX: insightful, astute comment.liberal larry: have you ever lived
outside the state of Utah? In central IL, they still have anti-Mormon
presentations at many local evangelical churches. A Lutheran minister told one
of my children, "All Mormons are going to hell." One of the high
school teachers, made the comment, "Mormons are like Nazis." With
many similar experiences, I can verify that anti-Mormon feelings are alive and
well in Illinois.What is interesting to me is that this primary
provides not one, but two potential Mormon presidential candidates.
Being Mormon should not be a reason for voting against or for a candidate.
Senator Smoot was a Mormon in high standing in the Church yet, if the economic
historians are correct, the tariff bill he authored was unwise and the major
cause of the Great Depression. However, being a Mormon should help assure that
the candidate is honest, sincere and not willing to sell his soul for money. If
Senator Smoot was indeed wrong, he certainly was not alone. Hopefully the nation
learned from it. Senator Reid and Mitt Romney do not see eye to eye and how
could that be expected of them. A good open-minded debate between them should be
informative, however. The perception that the GOP stands for Gods Own Party is
a mystery to me. A Mormon, by definition, means believing in the Book of Mormon
and that Book, in my opinion, does not support that perception.
I thought a person's religion 'didn't matter.' And now we have an
article about what might happen if we had a Mormon president. 'Obama
is doing such a terrible job that...' - Cats | 7:23 a.m. June 3, 2011 Reply facts: *'Last U.S. combat brigade leaves Iraq' - By Rebecca
Santana - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/19/10 'Seven years and five months
after the U.S.-led invasion, the last American combat brigade was leaving Iraq,
well ahead of President Barack Obama's Aug. 31 deadline for ending U.S. combat
operations there.' *'Deportation of illegal immigrants increases
under Obama administration' - By Peter Slevin - 07/26/10 - Washington Post *Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women (Lilly Ledbetter Bill)
(2009) *Appointed Sonia Sotomayor, the first Latina, to the Supreme
Court (2009) *After organizing studies on the topic in 2009, tasked
the Pentagon to eliminate Dont Ask, Dont Tell (2010) *'Gadhafi asks
Obama to stop' - By Matthew Lee - AP - Published by DSNews - 04/06/2011 *Bin Ladens death boosts Navy Seal museum in Fla By Matt Sedensky AP
Published by DSNews 05/31/11 Good day.
I think the title of this article is itself a tad upside down. If Romney (or any
other member of the LDS church) were to be elected President he (hopefully)
won't be a "Mormon President" but rather a president who happens to be
a Mormon. I hope everybody who votes (and I hope that Utahn's actually get out
and VOTE in '12) will vote for the person they think will do the best job for
the nation. Just being a member of the LDS church does not in and of itself mean
that they would be a good ANYTHING! The LDS church is no different from any
other; which I mean it is full of people...imperfect people.
This election will come down to one thing who will do the best job with the
suffering American economy. The Obama administration has made so many promises
but hasnt followed through, granted this was a mess started by the
administration prior but we need someone as our leader who can fix problems now,
instead of giving a guy who hasnt proven anything yet another four years. I side
neither with republicans or democrats, I honestly thought Obama would prove
critics wrong but he continues to disapoint. Romney knows business, he
knows how to be an effective leader. He will get the job done and continue to
silence his critics if elected. You can claim he didnt do a good job in
Massachusetts as governor, thats your opinion but not what the majority of the
state thought. I went door to door for two years hearing how much residents of
Mass loved Romney. Again liberals are scared of him because he is honestly the
best GOP for the job. This whole religious debacle is getting old, lets just
elect the best man for president.
Pagan those are good things I agree but how is this helping the gigantic the
U.S. is in? Any president would have gave the go ahead for Bin Ladens death and
done their best with any of these issues. We need help now not another four
years of empty promises.
As a young non-Mormon adult, who married a Mormon, I quickly learned that the
Mormon religion was very different from my Catholic upbringing. The Mormon
religion is much more than just a religion. It is very much a lifestyle.As
a result of moving to Provo, Utah, from Southern Calif., I had to change the way
I dressed, be careful of the things I said, do away with Sunday entertainment,
forget any trip to a grocery store for an occasional bottle of wine, learn to
have a polite reply of why I did not wish to attend the the LDS Church and their
related activities, be kind, but let the young men who came to the door, that,
"I was not interested in the Mormon Religion". These examples of Utah
Mormon life could go on and on............ A Mormon President will not
work in a country where we were meant to have freedom of choice.
Debt sorry I left that out
'Pagan those are good things I agree but how is this helping the gigantic Debt
the U.S. is in? We need help now not another four years of empty promises.' -
Utes21 | 9:23 a.m. June 3, 2011 I agree debt is a problem. And has
it only been a problem since Obama was in office? No.
George W. Bush doubled the debt and Regan tripled it. Is debt
Obama's problem like Afhganinstan and Iraq? Yes and no. Obama is
responsible for cleaning up the mess of others. Not it's creation. And yet
people choose to place the blame of these problems at Obama's feet.
Just two example: *Bush signs $700 billion bailout bill AP
Published by Denver Post By Tom Raum 10/03/08 *'Univ. of Maryland
study finds Fox News viewers to be misinformed on key issues' - By Ryan Witt -
Examiner - 12/17/10 'Over 40% of respondents said President Obama started
TARP even though TARP was signed into law by President Bush on October 3rd of
2008.' And how is Obama 'failing promises?' I just gave
you SEVEN fufilled promises! I cannot debat the merits of those
promises if you ignore them.
Would Romney's election signal an end to anti-Mormonism, not if he pulled this
on us all. Would he still be as crooked as all the rest were?. One can't be a
Mormon and believe in abortion. Speaker Boehner thinks he's is correct on the
economics?. Then share this with Paul Ryan and the Republicans in the House.
Social Security Trust Fund in bad shape due to government stealing the funds.
Coburn says under Democrat and Republican Presidencies and Democrat and
Republican Congresses, they have all stolen money from the social security trust
fund. The Oklahoma Republican says the money is gone and has been spent for
another purpose. It was supposed to be spent exclusively for Social Security,
but the money from the social security tax hike went into the general fund. That
money went into the pockets of rich people who got income tax cuts. The cap
needs to be lifted so that people who are millionaires are paying more on their
social security. If that change was made social security would be fixed for
eternity and there would be enough revenue for decades and decades down the
road. RAISE THIS CAP RIGHT NOW.
@no fit in SGSo you are claiming Mormons dont have freedom of choice? Its
not new to know that if you are a practicing member of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter Day Saints you will have to live a lifestyle thats in harmony
with the gospel. Their are still many people who dont but thats between them and
God and none of our business.You made the decision to marry a member
nobody forced you to make that decision. Part of being married to someone who is
opposite faith is to compromise. Seems like no one has forced you to do those
things you mentioned, you have made compromises with your spouse instead. No one
forced you to be polite or to not go to the store on sunday, you did this
because your just trying to please your spouse, not the LDS church. I commend
you for loving your spouse but you still have your freedom to do whatever you
like and so does everyone else, member and non member alike. Again religion has
nothing to do with how well a person can run this country.
no fit in SG So at what point was your freedom of choice taken away? You
were not forced to join the LDS Church. You were not forced to attend LDS Church
activities. Is it because you were nice? even that was not FORCED upon you. You
were nice be cause you thought it was the right thing to do.
"The LDS Church has suffered greater religious persecution in its history
than any other religious group in American history," said Harvard law
professor Noah Feldman, a practicing Jew. "For a member of the LDS Church
to be elected president, or honestly even just to come close, would represent in
some important way a repudiation of prejudice. And make no mistake about
it," Feldman warned, "that prejudice is real."
It's amazing how many things I learn about my religion from reading the DN
comment boards. Today I learned that I am against freedom of choice. I can
only remember being taught the exact opposite but here it is right on the DN
comment boards so it must be true.
I'm going to vote for a good moral person who loves America as much as I do, no
matter what their gender, religion, hair color, etc. P.S. Just go to
the "Christian" bookstore on 7th East and about 8600 South - they have
books on the shelf of how to talk to Latter-day Saints, so obviously they are
talking about it in other churches.
Romney (BYU)Huntsman (Utah)Go Cougars!!
Sad to say, but Romney doesn't have a chance. The Southern Evangelicals will
never vote for a Mormon.
Most American voters want a candidate and president with a logical and true
sense of reality. For most Americans Mormonism lacks truth, and is far from
Sorry Utah, I worship Jesus Christ, not a RINO named Mitt Romney. If a
Latter-day Saint were elected president, it would represent another example of
how America has grown up about these issues, yea right, and if DN's icon, Mitt
(flip flop) Romney was elected, would the Mormon Prophet Joseph F. Smith roll
over in his grave ashamed?. I think so. What we need is a no garbage war hero,
with guts and brains. Romney is just a Repubocrat. There is little difference
between him and Democrats. Romney is no different from the predatory mortgage
flippers who killed our economy. Romney's Bain Capital was a flipping operation.
Buy a company on margin, fire all the employees so the cash flow and balance
sheets look stunning, and then sell it off at a huge profit. There is literally
no new value created. I am personally acquainted with a few of his private
capital buddies, and I can tell you this is their philosophy. Romney is all
empty ambition and greed and personal entitlement. He's also for abortions. We
could go on, but I'm only allowed 200 words here. Like it or not, thats MY
I want to see Obama debate the Republican candidate without teleprompters! We
are all weary of the Obama ultra expensive vacations, daily television viewing
of his umpteenth speech, misadventures with heads of state, and his extreme big
government/leftist agenda, etc.I want a real president who knows how
to handle the economy, openly loves our country, and has the genuine smarts to
help business grow real jobs for many who are hurting with lost income and
homes. I think Mitt Romney is the man with all those qualifications. He happens
to be a strong member of his own Christian faith which should be appealing to
Americans as well. That conviction alone will show confidence to thoughtful,
caring Americans who have been down a very thorny path for the past 2 1/2
years!I also like the fact that he has come out swinging at the most
vulnerable missteps of Obama with a plan to correct them and set this country on
the right course again. Go Mitt!
Pagan:Just off the top of my head - Unfulfilled Obama promises
include:Unemployment under 8% if the stimulus is passed. No where
near....Cheaper health care for all if Obamacare is passed. - Mine just
went up 17%!Bring our troops home from wars on 2 fronts - we are now on 4
fronts.Close Guantanamo - Will never happenMake the US more
respected worldwide - hard to do when our T-Bills are junk bondsETC....
Why bring religion to the forefront? All that should matter is who is the best
candidate for the job. I think that the LDS religion can be its own worst enemy
with this topic. Does the election of Obama mean that racial discrimination is
no longer an issue? No. Would the election of a Mormon to the office of
President mean there is no longer discrimination against Mormons? No.I think the LDS religion in its effort to get headlines can sometimes force
the issue and create the problems. Talking with friends who aren't members, it
doesn't look good to them when Utah votes 89% for Romney in the last primary.
It looks pretty close-minded and just voting for him for the fact that he is
LDS.The inconsistency of proclaiming political neutrality but having
the lower leadership and culture push conservatism makes it tough for anyone
outside the religion to respect it. How is Romneycare different than Obamacare?
Why is it OK for Mitt to be pro-choice when he was Governor of Massachusetts?
Harry Reid's record as a senator leans more conservative than Romney's
governorship. Hypocrisy is the problem, not prejudice.
Yes, there is freedom of choice, but..............Having been here in Utah
since 1972, I have much experience with what a Non-Mormon deals with. Utah
is very different from any other state or environment in America. Mormons
settled here to be able to live "in their own way and follow the advice of
their leaders without being persecuted". Both Mr. Romney and Mr. Huntsman
hail from these early Mormon families.I am definitely not the first person
to feel "less than" or "something must be wrong with her"
when I do not embrace the religion. Voters need to question how and why
the Utah State government and Legislators,( who are a Mormon majority) make
their decisions. Let's discuss the influence the LDS Church has upon that. Mr. Romney does appear to be a strong Mormon who is a proud follower of his
Mormon heritage and Mormon lifestyle.
I know this is a little diffrent because I am LDS, but I don't care if Mitt was
not LDS he can turn this train wreck we call an economy around,and that is all
that matters to me. I am tired of living in the greatest country in the world
and worrying about my family ($) and my kids future (which is already over their
heads in debt)and wondering what is next. This is America lets get this train
back on track and show the world we are a country to follow.
Wolfgang57 has written a post that is the classic example how anti Mormons
distort and twist the beliefs and actions of the LDS Church and people. This is
why we have such a hard time with prejudice and religious bigotry. As long as
detractors keep spewing how this garbage, it's going to be a challenge. The laws in this state reflect the values of the community at large.
That's how it works in every jurisdiction in this country. It has nothing to do
with seperation of Church and state or anyone being oppressed by the majority.
"have you ever lived outside the state of Utah? In central IL, they still
have anti-Mormon presentations at many local evangelical churches. A Lutheran
minister told one of my children, "All Mormons are going to hell." One
of the high school teachers, made the comment, "Mormons are like
Nazis." metamoracoug "With a regard to true theology, a
more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian
world."- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of
Discourses, v. 8, p. 199"Brother Taylor has just said that the
religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched
on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."-
Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176Believers
in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp.
45-46"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the
day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with
the devil and his angels."- Prophet Joseph Smith,
Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60Be Honest DN, print both sides
of the story!
Despite the language of Article VI of the Constitution, there exists a very real
religious test for higher office in this country. Let's be honest, you have to
profess Christianity, whether real or feigned, to be elected to national office.
Personally, the men who have held office of president in my lifetime, with the
possible exception of Jimmy Carter, have all feigned Christianity for the sole
purpose of connecting with that large chunk of the American electorate for whom
religious beliefs trump ideas, intelligence, and vision. The irony is, and
despite the bloated statements by some that the United States is a
"Christian country", the social Darwinism in this country evidenced by
the fact that we refuse to take care of the most vulnerable among us, is the
antithesis to the words presumably expressed by the religion's founder. Excuse
me, but who really cares about Romney's religious views when his political views
were all about flip flops on healthcare, gay rights, pro choice rights and on
and on?. 1982 to 1985, Mr. Romney served as the bishop at his church in
Belmont, Mass. After that, he served nine years as "stake" president,
HE IS FOR ABORTIONS?.
Utes 21,I agree with what you say except you had to let yous Hannityism
show with your comment that liberals are afraid of him. Be open minded, watch
something else every so often, and observe from the comments that it is the
conservatives who fear him most. And he will be a good president because of
I agree with "no fit in SG" to the extent that the Mormon culture is
also a lifestyle. I'm married to a former Mormon and moved here from a state
back east. Moving here was and is a culture shock because of the dominant
religion. I have often felt like an outsider in Utah, but I'd rather be that
than to have the LDS patriarchy try to control and influence my life to the
extent that they do when it comes to its members. I, too have had to deal with
the harassment by the Church to try to get my husband to return when he
continuously said "NO". I'm very uncomfortable with his Mormon family
because I feel their supposed acceptance is not sincere. Yes, Mormons have a
choice, but as an outside observer....I often see conflict and worry in those
choices because of the high expectations and pressure exuded by the Church.
Although "no fit in SG" does have a choice....the culture and the
lifestyle does affect his choices.
If Romney can cure his flip flopping I will vote for him. So far so good
Utes21:" ... religion has nothing to do with how well a person
can run this country."Really?If you believe God
will protect us from oil well blowouts, coal mine explosions and terrorists
crashing jets into buildings (as President Bush did) you'll allow deregulation
to make those disasters more likely. Clinton is just as guilty, signing NAFTA
into law and deregulating banks (Glass-Stegall), bringing on the current
depression. You may imagine God protects you, but if you remove all
safeguards, you guarantee disaster. Having faith is fine, it gives a lot of
people comfort and a sense of certainty. But if you're certain God will protect
us, (as George Bush was) and you are wrong, you will allow another 9/11. Faith helps people who suffer from excessive self-doubt, but self-doubt
isn't a problem for politicians. They have too much self-confidence, and too
little knowledge. I want a president who lives in the real world and doesn't
expect Magic Sky Daddy to save us from hurricanes, nuclear meltdowns, tornadoes,
terrorists, tainted food, climate change, quakes or his own stupidity. Religion is a huge factor in how well you run a country.
WE all know, this is another Romney flip flop lie, but I'll prove it anyway just
the same. KSL News) Mitt Romney says leaders of the LDS Church will have no
influence on government policy if he is elected. He also said LDS Church
leaders would not try to influence him?. Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have many
things in common. When it comes to illegal immigration they are miles apart.
The LDS Church and Romney is for illegal immigration. Mitt Romney actively
moved money offshore with his Bain Capital business and enabled investors to
evade hundreds of millions of dollars in US income taxes. That is the trillion
dollar game being played out with more money sitting in offshore bank accounts
than the total GDP of the USA in 2010. When the rich do not pay their share of
taxes, and more than two thirds of large US corporations paid no taxes last
year, there is going to be a deficit and then you have the Republicans happy to
wage war on the workers of this country as well as the sick and elderly. Romney
is the poster child for the LDS Church. DNs flip flopping also?.
@Wolfgang57 | 1:15 a.m. June 3, 2011You need a history lesson.
Prohibition was taken out of the constitution by a very close vote. It came down
to one state's vote to keep it or get rid of it. That state was Utah and it
voted to get rid of prohibition. Your accusations ring hallow and biased.You also stated, "It's their official doctrine that they will take
over the U.S..." That statement is flat out false. There has never been any
doctrine preached that Mormons will take over any political or governmental
functions of the U.S.When you say things like this you are only
fostering an attitude of contempt. If you are going to keep up attacking my
religion, at least get your facts straight.
no fit in SGMy father was a Baptist who lived in Utah from even longer
than you and was married to an LDS wife with no problems. Has it ever acrossed
your mind that the resone Utah laws are the way they are is not the religion of
its polititions but rather their constituants?
*'Unemployment under 8% if the stimulus is passed. No where near....' - J-TX |
11:32 a.m. June 3, 2011 How is 9.1% 'no where near' 8%? It is, a 1.1% difference. Compare to Clinton: who left Bush with
a 4% unemployment and a surplus, to George W. Bush who left Obama with a 8%
unemployment and a 'financial meltdown' and double the national debt. Your healthcare cost's have been going up...before healthcare reform. If you
would remember. 'The article by Himmelstein in this issue of the The
American Journal of Medicine documents that health care expenses were the most
common cause of bankruptcy in the United States in 2007, accounting for 62% of
US bankruptcies compared with 8% in 1981.' What '4 fronts' are you
talking about? Afghanistan and Iraq was the result of George
Bush. On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes
against al-Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the
Taleban regime in Afghanistan.' - GEORGE W. BUSH 10/07/01 And, zero troops in Libya. *'Gadhafi asks Obama to stop' - By
Matthew Lee - AP - Published by DSNews - 04/06/2011
I would never ever vote for Romney... The guy just seems so off to me and almost
acts like he wont be elected because he is Mormon. I really like Huntsman
Meaning of a Mormon president?? Watch the evangelicals and all the looney
Baptists put up barbed wire fences around their churches to keep their
congragations from being captured by the mormon missionaries. YIKES!! Run for
your lives - the Mormons are coming!!!
The prejudice against LDS shows in the comments of Wolgang57 and all those that
'recommended' it. It also shows in the comments by johhen. The prejudice is
there just like with JFK but probably more intense against Mormons. And you can
always count on the "Pagan". And yes, Obama is doing a terrible job,
just look at the record. Your 'facts' only look at some of the things he has
done, not the list of broken promises or failed economic policy. As Allen West
(American American Congressman in FL) has said, "I can't stand this
guy". And it doesn't have anything to do with race!
Pagan said "Compare to Clinton: who left Bush with a 4% unemployment and a
surplus, to George W. Bush who left Obama with a 8% unemployment and a
'financial meltdown' and double the national debt."You forgot
two big things Clinton left for Bush1- a recession 2- al-qaedaThese are two big things liberals forget to mention. Now did Bush handle
everything right? NO. He did however have something that had to be handled
called 9/11. He also ended Clintons recession quickly all while fighting the war
on terror.Also Clinton did not leave bush a surples but rather a PROJECTED
surplus. That means that if the Clinton recession had not happened and 9/11 had
not happened there would have been a posiablity of a surplus but he did not
leave an actual surplus.
J-TX: "Ever think that Utah's Mormon legislators might vote through things
the Mormons want NOT from pressure from the Church, but that those votes reflect
the desires of their constituency - which is overwhelmingly LDS in the state?Now I know SLC is not overwhelmingly LDS. But the state is. Somebody has
a chip on their shoulder. Where's the salsa?"-------This is an
interesting argument, and even a valid one. But how many of you out there
nodding in agreement also condemned Rocky Anderson for everything he did? When
he was protesting President Bush, did you shake your head and feel he was doing
a bad job. I'll bet many of you did. Yet, he was serving his constituency,
which is largely liberal and democratic.
Once again, we want it both ways. We want to declare to ourselves the Mormon
status as a "peculiar people", but then also want to be seen really as
just like everyone else. If we had the courage of our convictions, we would
simply never worry about who was affiliated with which religious tradition. We'd
simply do what's right, letting the consequence follow. Just as importantly, we
wouldn't be deceived by the Righteous Right Rumor of the Day, usually regarding
the President, quoted on these posts every SINGLE day. Instead of inviting the
world to join us, we seem to be petitioning them to let us join them on the same
terms as everyone else. We don't, frankly, know where the Gospel ends and our
own opinions begin. I have complete sympathy for the confusion about Mormons.
Mitt Romney and I believe also Jon Huntsman Jr. have evidenced a lack of faith
in their religion. Romney stated in a TV'd interview that doesnt know if God
has spoken to anyone since Moses or PERHAPS others, which leaves two options
available: 1.) He is telling the truth and doesnt know much about the religion
he professes to be a part of, or 2.) He is too afraid to admit that he believes
the Gospel. And in a recent article for TIME, Melinda Henneberger asked Jon
Huntsman if he still belongs to the Church of Latter-day Saints, to which he
replied: Im a very spiritual person (as opposed to a religious one?), and proud
of my Mormon roots. The columnist saw the vagueness of the answer and asked:
Roots? That makes it sound as if youre not a member anymore. Are you? Former
Governor Huntsmans reply was extremely revealing in its non-committal nature,
Thats tough to define, he said. There are varying degrees. I come from a long
line of saloon keepers and proselytizers, and I draw from both sides. Both are
por representatives of the LDS Church.
For all of those who complain about Utah having strict liquor laws, let me point
out that many places in the mid-west and southern United States are more strict
than Utah. Those localities choose to make local restrictions that are a
reflection of the will of the local community. These same locations are more
likely to be strong Bible-belt type communities. So where is the same outrage
expressed towards them as shown to the Utah legislator? The Utah legislator is
elected by the will of Utah's people. That will brings with it an inherent right
to modify liquor laws as desired. Quit bashing the people of Utah for using
their political voice to pass laws that reflect their desires. A similar
community standard exists for other issues like definitions of pornography and
obscenity (that is local standards govern what is and is not acceptable). Utah's
people have the right to define liquor laws they find acceptable. I live in
Oregon and I don't always like the will of the people around me, but if I don't
like it, I have a choice to get more active in the community or move out.
Both LDS candidates are not great. Romney flip flops! There is no such thing as
a two party system anymore.
RE: PaganYOur points, as usuual do NOT tell the TRUE story.unemployment under bush did NOT go up ( it hovered around 5 percent most of
his term) until the democrats took control of congress, (do you think they had
something to do with it?)Obama has added more debt than any
president in history, in fact more than most of all them combined, (play with
stats all you want)Regarding the irag wand afghanistan wars, Obama
is following the Bush plan, nothing has really changed,Obama has
ignored the constitution, something he does a lot (including the patriot act),
and has NOT gotten congessional approval for military action in libya.You can debate healthcare care, or insurance reform, all you want, but Obama
care will destroy this country financially, socialized care, and socialism in
general, is a demonstrated failure in england and other countries.But what all this got to do with the article???A Conservative
Mormon president would do just fine as President. Romney would do
well on economic issues, hunstman is just a rich playboy, who will
do anything that is popular, not worth anyone's vote.Mormons come
in both liberal and conservative flavors.
I hope the first elected LDS member to the office of POTUS will be a single,
black, southern baptist convert woman with a Bachelors from MIT, JD from Harvard
and a PhD from Yale in Economics. Seriously. Get it all out in one fell
swoop, and lets move on.
Remember it the Economy economy the economy! anything out side of that is moot!
with close to 20,000,000 citizens out of who lost their jobs that vote! will
come to the polls and say am I better off now then I was in 2008? and they will
vote for the new guy because the one in the white house has been on vacation
more times then they the voter has gotten unemployment checks. when the first
lady spends 70,000 dollars per day for a vacation that is a gross use of tax
payer dollars that is more then most people make in a life time. this election
is Mitts to lose. he will win if he keeps up the dangers and failures of
A new poll conducted by Pew Research Center revealed:68% said they would
not be more less likely to vote for a 2012 presidential candidate if he/she was
Mormon.25% said they would be less likely to vote for a Mormon5% said they would be more likely to vote for a MormonAmong those
polled:31% of Democrats said they would be less likely to vote for a
Mormon23% Republicans said they would be less likely to vote for a
Mormon20% of Independents said they would be less likely to vote for a
Mormon.A greater distinction is revealed when respondents are sorted
by their own religious affiliation. The greatest rate of negative response comes
from white evangelicals with 34 percent saying they would be less likely to
support a candidate who was Mormon. Meanwhile, only 16 percent of white
Catholics say the same.(Pew: Republican Candidates Stir Little Enthusiasm)
"this Election is Mitts to lose. "In the last five polls
released the winners were Trump, Huckabee, Romney (by 1 or 2), Giuliani, and
Romney/Palin tied. Let's not annoint Mitt primary winner yet. He's polling near
16% which is extremely low for a frontrunner with high name recognition.
Romneycare is really going to make things difficult for him.
"Sad to say, but Romney doesn't have a chance. The Southern Evangelicals
will never vote for a Mormon. "He'll get enough votes from them
to win in the general (florida would be a problem though, especially since they
really don't like their new republican governor). As for the primary he
shouldn't even be wasting time down south, he needs to win the blue states. How
he lost last time was because McCain took enough blue states from him so
Pawlenty especially could be a thorn in his side throughout some of this
process. The only other way he loses is if the field consolidates leaving only
one teaparty type republican left after iowa and new hampshire (Palin, Bachmann,
or Cain). One of those could then win in a Christine O'Donnell fashion amidst
fist bumps at Obama headquarters.
tmaxr:I think you live under the delusion that God promised us it
would be easy. The fact is He warned us of just the opposite. You know, if he
couldn't even spare his Son (His most beloved Son) from the vicissitudes of
mortality, why would I expect Him to make it easy for me? He has never promised
me that if all my neighbor's lose their families and houses in a tornado that
mine will remain intact and standing. He only promised the strength to endure
the loss. Good things happen to bad people & vice versa.
That's the way it was designed. Otherwise, the journey wouldn't require faith.
"68% said they would not be more less likely to vote for a 2012
presidential candidate if he/she was Mormon.25% said they would be less
likely to vote for a Mormon5% said they would be more likely to vote for a
Mormon"I wonder how much of these stats is people
mentally substituting Mormon with Romney. I am interested in that
reversal based on party affiliation though. Back in 2007 Gallup had liberals at
75% willing to vote for a Mormon, moderates at 77% and conservatives at 66%. This poll has Democrats at 69%, Independents at 80%, and Republicans at
77%.If we pretend liberal/moderate/conservative are the same as
democrat/independent/republican that's -6%D/+3%I/+11%R change over the last 4
years which I'm guessing is largely a combination of general decreases in
anti-mormon feelings (perhaps +3D/+3I/+3R) which leaves a -9D/0I/+8R remainder
which is probably mostly prop 8's effect.
Like heck the LDS Church is strict in its political neutrality. Surely the
author of this article has heard of Prop 8?Leaving that aside for a
moment, as a non-Christian living in the bible belt anti-Mormon prejudice is
alive and well. Many people here express admiration for the way Mormon families
live their lives but the bottom line is that they do not believe Mormons are
true Christians.I would absolutely vote for a Mormon if I agreed
with him/her on the issues but I wonder how many of my neighbors can honestly
say the same?
Liberals elect Mormons. Conservatives don't. He doesn't have a chance.
The vile invective to be hurled at Romney, were he to win the presidency, would
be unparalleled in American history. If we thought the hate machine cranked up
by the left, against George Bush was awful, just imagine what that group (as
well as some others) would do with a sitting Mormon president. I would vote for
Romney, but frankly, I don't know that I could take all the venom that would be
spewed out against Romney, not to mention the church and its members.
I certainly hope Utah is "out of the mainstream." The last thing I
want, or want for the presidency, is someone in the mainstream. The mainstream
presidents have just about done in this country.
Is there an anti Mormon prejudice in the U.S.? Yes! Is there a anti black
prejudice in the U.S. Yes!Last year we lived in western New York for 6
months. Interesting to feel the prejudice against Mormons there. Is it still
there? Yes! Mostly because of misconceptions and Evangelist preachers telling
their congregations to hate Mormons. Demonstrators are there every summer
at the Hill Cumorah pageant with their signs and vulgar language. What's
interesting is they are paid demonstrators from as far away as Florida. Can Romney win the presidency since he is a Mormon? Of course. Did Obama win
being black? It's the economy stupid, is as applicable now as when Bill
Clinton ran with the same slogan. I think even more so. No one better than a man
who knows how to make money and safeguard it wisely to help the country during a
crisis.Improved Economy will happen with Mitt. Go Mitt 2012.
Anyone who has lived outside the "Zion Corridor" will tell you that
Mormonism is fatal to presidential hopes. Sadly.
Does dumprake really feel that Romney in office would be less popular than
Lincoln was in the South? Or than Hoover was after the Great Depression took
down the entire economy? Or Truman during the Korean War? I can't agree,
especially since his premise (a Mormon president) has no precedent.Here's another question I have not seen raised. Who has been the greatest
president to come from the ranks of businessmen? I'm not sure there have been
any, unless one regards Washington and Jefferson as farmers, which is a stretch.
Dear EsquireIgnorance is bliss in your case, and a simple Google search
shows that Utah has had 8 senators that were Democrats. Spinning issues will
make you dizzy.
Oops sorry make that 5
@JeanPierre - it is not for us to judge their standing in the Church. But
either man would be a better President than the current occupant!
The Republican Party (outside of predominantly Mormon states) have deep
religious biases against Mormons. That is why you will not see Romney or
Huntsman even get the Republican nomination. I am often amazed at why Utah
Mormons continue to identify themselves with a political party that doesn't like
My father's long-since deceased uncle, who was once a state senator from upstate
Michigan once told him, "the voter talks and complains about a lot of
things, but when he finally steps into the voting booth, he ultimately votes his
pocketbook".Most people know Mitt will have the best leadership
skills to get their pocketbooks restored, through their 401Ks, etc.His
religion is fast becoming a non-issue, especially amongst an even larger group
than the Evangelicals, the Independents.
@wolfgang: while I understand the point you are trying to make your premise is
faulty so your conclusion is wrong.There is nothing in the
Constitution about separation of church and state.Aren't state
legislatures and city councils supposed to enact laws that reflect the will of
their community? You site the booze laws of this state as a fact that the LDS
church would run the country if someone LDS was elected POTUS. That answer is
false.How do you account for the "Dry" counties still in
the South? You know, where Mormons aren't in the majority?The great
thing about the US is it has 50 states and thousands of cities and towns. Anyone
is free to move to a city/town/state that is in agreement with their belief
structure. It's what makes America great!I think it's great that
Utah doesn't have too many issues with DUI's, alcohol related deaths and
alcoholism. A strong belief that booze isn't good for the body or mind is a good
thing. Maybe you should put down the bottle a little???
Mitt couldn't run Massachusetts, what makes him or anyone think he can run the
In case nobody already said it. Jewish folks don't go to church on Sunday at
all. Or to church. They attend synagogues.
Does the skin color or religion of your president (quarterback of the team)
dictates your vote, or is it the player's best performances on the actual field
that matters? It would seem, America has NOT gotten over their deep
resentment of Mormons! May the best man be on our team. We
desperately need jobs, jobs, jobs, .....
@esquire Hamilton is not quoted as saying he voted for Obama or even if supports
him or likes him, just that he proud of him getting elected as it represents
(anti-bias) progress. You trying to make Hamilton or the Deseret News
hypocrites based on that interpolation makes your comment somewhat meaningless,
"Dividing bias against Mormons into two categories, Feldman described hard
prejudices and soft prejudices. The former are ideologically based and more
common among conservative evangelicals. Usually based on vague or misinformed
notions of LDS theology, these prejudices are very hard to overcome."Usually vague or misinformed? As far as I can tell, the problems
Christians have with Mormonism are pretty specific and based on accurate
information about how Mormon beliefs differ from traditional Christian ones.
Christians are not biased against Mormons, they just think that Mormons are very
wrong. Mormons appear to return the favor, so what mystifies me about this
article is that it seems to imply that disagreement equals bias. African
Americans face prejudice because of their skin color. That's a very, very
different situation. I know very little about the quality of a man's mind by
looking at his skin but a great deal by examining his beliefs.
lionbaby,Very well said. In fact, I would go so far as to say that
most evangelicals are very well-informed about Mormonism, and know their Bible
far better than most Mormons!
@lionbaby: are we to surmise that you are not Mormon but consider yourself a
Christian? If so, then I as a Mormon am quite clear on the status of your mind
by your beliefs.@A Scientist: It all depends on what you think the
word "know" means in your sentence. From my experience with my 10
immediate Evangelical/Catholic neighbors, they are sorely mis-informed on LDS
doctrine and are completely unable to explain their own.We've had
many interesting discussions over the years and when I question them about the
beliefs they state are true, then are unable to detail in the Bible where it
says what they say they believe. It usually comes down to "my
pastor/priest" said so.
@Charles...As a Christian I can tell you that Christianity is based
on Jesus Christ. Christian teachings should be 100% biblical. The Bible is the
word of God period. The problem with some so called Christians is they add
their own personal beliefs into their teachings and there is no room for that in
a bible based church. It is easy to see in a newspaper like this one, that
Christ is know where to be seen in you're religous section. You have two
articles about Mitt Romney, some handcart miracles, a couple more articles on
why the Mormon religion is true...Where's Jesus? Mormons are being steared away
from Christ in order to chase around all these other topics that don't meen
anything. Admit you are a sinner and give you're life to Christ without all
this other stuff.