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Published: Friday, June 3 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Noah warned the world there would be Climate Change back in his day too.
The foolish and the wicked mocked him as well.

BTW - God blessed him with the necessary Science and Technology to survive it.

We should do likewise.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I love this letter!

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

lds lib, are you talking about the science and technology that in the 1970s said we had to worry about global cooling?

Rand
FLAGSTAFF, AZ

Science isn't a strong suit for most of us. Something like 2/3 of Americans believe there is an unseen human deity in the heavens judging our every move, despite a complete lack of empirical evidence. Some of them even believe the world is 6000 years old despite busloads of evidence to the contrary. Given that, I am not too surprised that the only evidence Mr. Gilmore needs to discount global climate change is to look out his window one wet and cold spring.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Peterson, Thomas C., William M. Connolley, John Fleck, 2008: The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 89, 13251337.

"A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales."

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

The letter writer's fun little analogy will go "over the heads" of most DN readers, so to speak.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

This letter only illustrates the fallacy of the global warming scam.

The Earth's climate may well be warming because of human activity. But that doesn't mean we have jumped off a cliff and only disaster awaits us in the future.

Truth is, no one knows what effects, bad or good, will result from any climate change that may occur.

So, rather than model what might happen here or there as a result of changes that may happen, giving people information they can use in making wise decisions, climate "scientists" merely assume the undocumented worst, pedantically insisting on unrealistically draconian remedial measures, mostly involving redistributive socialism.

If climate "scientists" want to regain a little of the credibility they've lost, they could start by abandoning socialist politics and venal, demanding activism, followed by a return to actual, useful science.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Rather than treat our Mother Earth with respect and dignity, taking her warnings seriously we continue to pilage and pollute her. Don't you think we should error on the side of caution rather than continue to treat her as a old dirty paper towel? As citizens of this great earth we should encourage her to flourish so all, present and future can enjoy the many treasures of her confines. Science does not have all the answers and neither does religion but that should not negate the fact that maybe the warnings are correct especially when there are alternatives.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

I always wonder which will be the worst on our children and grandchildren; to submit to the radical solutions submitted by the Global Warming crowd or to continue in a moderate mode utilizing more sensible treatment of our environment.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

"So, rather than model what might happen here or there as a result of changes that may happen"

Actually modeling is pretty much one of the primary things that goes into that sort of research.

"climate "scientists" merely assume the undocumented worst, pedantically insisting on unrealistically draconian remedial measures, mostly involving redistributive socialism."

No, policymakers do that. Climate scientists are generally (a few of them get into the policy stuff but most of them don't) too busy working on research to care about what to politically do about it.

"If climate "scientists" want to regain a little of the credibility they've lost, they could start by abandoning socialist politics and venal, demanding activism, followed by a return to actual, useful science. "

The problem with this statement of yours is that most climate scientists already are doing what you demand they do. The thing is policymakers (for and against things) get all the screentime on TV so it looks like they're how all of them are when really they aren't.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "The problem with this statement of yours is that most climate scientists already are doing what you demand they do."

Not hardly.

From LA Times -- ". . . the American Geophysical Union, the country's largest association of climate scientists, plans to announce that 700 climate scientists have agreed to speak out . . . . John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota . . . is also pulling together a 'climate rapid response team,' which includes scientists prepared to go before . . . hostile audiences on conservative talk radio and television shows. This group feels strongly that science and politics can't be divorced . . . . We are taking the fight to them because we are . . . tired of taking the hits.

Sounds like pretty widespread political activism, to me.

And, it's funny how all these "experts" are proposing only radical socialist "solutions."

Coincidence?

Jeffrey Wilbur
Eagle Mountain, UT

The author of this letter just doesn't get it.

Clearly to conservatives, including conservative Mormons, being "good stewards over the Earth" is just code for "rape and exploit each and every resource for absolute profit before moving on to the next."

So with that, they don't really care whether global climate change is actually happening. What they care about is how their ability to exploit the Earth for profit will be impacted by reality's acceptance.

Follow the money.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Jeffrey Wilbur | 12:41 p.m. June 3, 2011
Eagle Mountain, UT

Clearly to conservatives, including conservative Mormons, being "good stewards over the Earth" is just code for "rape and exploit each and every resource for absolute profit before moving on to the next."

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Agreed.

Like spoiled rotten kids, they believe "For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare..." gives them a free-unbridled ride to do as they please, as opposed to the scriptural and temple commands of showing "moderation in ALL things".

I think the scripture D&C 104:17 "For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare...

only applies with "Waste not, want not."

Sensible Scientist
Rexburg, ID

It is intellectually dishonest to say there is not significant uncertainty about anthropogenic global warming.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "atl134 | 10:47 a.m." you are correct about how modeling is how most of the research is carried out. The problem is that the research is based on faulty models that are incomplete.

The main scientists that run the models have found that as of 2 years ago could not balance the energy going into the earth's atmosphere.

When you combine that with fact that the University of Alabama at Huntsville and Remote Sensing Systems have found that using satelite data the earth's temperature has either remained constant or has been dropping over the past 30 years. See UK Register's article "Painting by numbers: NASA's peculiar thermometer."

Add to that the recent DN article "Bottoms up: Antarctic ice growth discovered" where they found that antartic ice doesn't grow like they thought.

To "procuradorfiscal | 11:35 a.m." The scientists are not out to use science to promote the propaganda of climate change, that is being done by the Media and Politicians. See "NOAA Meteorologist Claims 'Gross, Blatant Censorship' by Media for Speaking Out Against Climate Change Alarmism" at Media Research Center and "Climate Scientist Quits IPCC, Blasts Politicized 'Preconceived Agendas'" Heartland Institute.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal | 12:58 p.m." its funny that you complain about people not being good stewards of the earth. Since you fly back and for to Seattle each where you have an apartment. You realize that your carbon footprint is larger than most people. If you really were a good steward of the earth you would have sold your house and moved closer to your job.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt | 1:12 p.m. June 3, 2011
USS Enterprise, UT
To "LDS Liberal | 12:58 p.m." its funny that you complain about people not being good stewards of the earth. Since you fly back and for to Seattle each where you have an apartment. You realize that your carbon footprint is larger than most people.

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For the last time -- my fuel use is 4 gallons per week, RedShirt.
Stop being so passive agressive and making me explain and re-explain.

I know you are just intentially trying to get me to use up my "honest" 4 comments.
[as opposed to your Ultra-Conservative, Holier-than-thou, better Mormon than you because you are a Republican and "Cheating" the system with multiple e-mails. How was that Paul said, your Faith with out (honorable, good or praiseworthy) works is dead.]

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

"When you combine that with fact that the University of Alabama at Huntsville and Remote Sensing Systems have found that using satelite data the earth's temperature has either remained constant or has been dropping over the past 30 years."

On both of those systems there's a clear about .1C-.15C per decade increase in temperatures over the past 30 years, which is comparable to NOAA and NASA.

The only way you could get a constant change over the past 30 years using RSS or UAH is if you had a blatant disregard for statistics and just used 2008 to compare to 1979 when the plots clearly show that the other 00s years from 2001-2010 are all among the top 10 or 12 warmest years over that 30 year period.

2008 is an outlier because it was during a strong la nina and solar minimum whereas 1998 (warmest or tied for warmest year on record depending on dataset) was during an extremely strong el nino. Obviously 2008 shouldn't be ignored, but use proper context; the 2000s are on average substantially warmer than the 80s or 90s on UAH, RSS, NOAA, and NASA's datasets.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It would be terrible if climate change weren't true and we improved the world for nothing.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

What I don't get is there's a good argument for switching to renewable energy that has nothing to do with global warming. It'll get us off of foreign energy, will get us off of nonrenewable energy which will only get scarcer and harder to obtain. We could actually manufacture something in this nation for a change instead of letting Germany take the lead on solar power. All we'd need is a couple billion dollars invested to research/develop solar energy to make it efficient enough for the market to run with it and then after that all we'd need is a way for that power to be used to fuel vehicles effectively. No more foreign conflicts over oil needed, no more worries about rising gas prices, oh and maybe it'll help the environment too.

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