What a Big Mistake,Leave her alone she served enough time big
problems this one turned out to be
Oh my Shurtleff,she spent 17 years inside a womans prison.Law Took 17
years away from her!She get out then she needs to go thru all that
again.I mean what a Joke this story has turned out to be!And
as it is now she proved herself she did not murdering her boss)
In response to Arizona2:I like your objective approach and
appreciate your comments. You said "But I think it is unfair to criticize
the AG's office before they present their argument." They were
given the last 2 years to investigate and then present to a judge their
argument. I attended the hearings and the did a good job presenting their
argument, however, the arguments, witnesses and evidence in relation to Deb's
innocence was way too overwhelming. This is not about making an argument
anymore. The Supreme court will rule on the statute and how it was used. All
evidence and arguments have been made by the AG's office. Best regards.
Please, if you disagree with Shurtleff's decision to appeal, and it seems that
most of you do, email him at firstname.lastname@example.org Let's flood his inbox
with email and tell him how we feel about his flip-flop and this horrible
miscarriage of justice.
Is someone up for re-election in the Utah AG office? This sounds like a
political decision to me in deciding to go after her again. There's the risk
this could backfire bigtime though.
Before reading this article I had no idea Debra had embraced the Gospel of Jesus
Christ while in prison! No wonder her countenance glows! Congratulations
Debra! You have SO much happiness ahead!
How contradicting are these two statements made by Shurtleff. Remember, the AGs
office is the one who worked on this statute to make sure it would take a lot of
evidence and proof to even get to the courtroom. Out of 10 cases filed since
2008, Debs case is the only one to make it into the hearing stage.In
the interest of justice and mercy the time has come to bring closure to Debra
Brown and everyone involved in this case, says Shurtleff. She has served 17
years in prison and a judge has found her factually innocent. This was Utahs
first case like this and I am convinced these types of challenges will be rare.
Our office will vigilantly fight to make sure the justice system punishes the
guilty and protects the innocent.Shurtleff said he feared "the
floodgates will open" and that every judge will become "another Monday
morning quarterback" if DiReda's ruling is not appealed and the system
becomes "fatally flawed."Pride and politics getting in the
way of justice
If I were her, I'd be getting out of the country. I hear Mexico is nice this
time of year. They don't just let you out like this and not find some way to get
you back in.
If the Attorney General's office has sufficient evidence to prove that Brown is
guilty, then I think they are making the right step. If she is innocent, I
sympathize with what she is going through and has gone through. But I think it
is unfair to criticize the AG's office before they present their argument. I
would hope that they wouldn't file an appeal unless they had a compelling reason
to do so.
There is a lot of blame put on the prosecutors and law enforcement. This blame
is correct, but it's only a part of the picture. In fact, WE are guilty of such
abuses as well. WE accept at face value the claims of "protecting the
society", "being tough on crime" and so on, and WE give such
prosecutors, sheriffs and commissioners the power to abuse jurisprudence and
constitutional rights. This is wrong. "Protecting the society" by laws
requires our RESPECT for these laws, and this respect goes out of the window
when the laws are perverted to advance someone's career and for monetary
benefits of the agencies. The respect disappears when innocents are kept in jail
(another prominent recent example is that couple from Payson), and pressured
into accepting a plead deal, because the prosecutor has NOTHING to implicate
them in the crime. Here is my point of view: I think our neighborhoods are
SUFFICIENTLY SAFE right now, so perhaps it is time to focus some more on the
constitutional rights, so we see less home invasions by thugs with badges
(covered extensively by judge Andrew Napolitano) and less innocents put in jail
by fanatical prosecutors.
There are two problems as I see it.First is that the prosecution
lawyers are much to willing to let the police control the process.Second is that the prosecution has the we must win attitude. Their duty is
not to win, but to act fairly and disclose all eveidence. They "win"
when truth and justice prevail.It has been said, that it is better
that 1000 guilty people go free than for one innocent person to be punished.
Judging one another is a risky affair. The biggest problem with our justice mill
is its inherent design for conviction, unless you have the money to fight. And
man being human, forgets the teaching, He who is without sin, let him cast the
first stone. All too often, the accused is charged with many many charges -
remember the old adage, throw enough mud and something will stick. One law is
used to bring the offender into the net and then, they look for other charges.
Then the system throws the book at them finding cause for conviction; and we
never forgive. The big red letter is emblazoned on the "guilty"
forever.And so it is with this case, and that is why society's
watchdogs and enforcers pursue. When is society (we the people, the government)
ever going to learn to forgive? When is society (we) ever going to learn do unto
others as ye would have them do unto us.Example: the federal program
Click it or Ticket funds off duty police officers in Sandy to ticket the
unseat-belted. How many caught in this net will be charged with other offenses?
The justice mill is flowing....
Hmmmmm, how many death penalty cases are there where the convicted person was
actually innocent? This kind of stuff happens all the time all over the
country. This is why former Gov. Ryan (R) of Illinois commuted death sentences.
Ms. Brown can salvage the rest of her life, and I wish her well, but other
sentences are irrevocable.
There are many innocent people in prison right n w.The system is not
perfect. juries almost always find people guilty.prosecutors do not care
who is innocent their only interest is if they can convict a person.They
rationalize it by saying the defense attorney should have done their job.the innocence project has worked toward freeing over 250 innocent people. 18
of them on death row.it is estimated that 5% of those in prison are
innocent. this is thousands of people wrongly incarcirated.yet the system
can not admit there is a problem.our nation locks up more citizens then
any other country in the world. In fact there is not another country that is
even close to us.
I'm not certain if she is guilty or not. I don't know enough of the story to
make a determination. If she is innocent, her original lawyer was incompetent
for not putting this new witness forward in her original trial.I
would guess the Attorney General believes she is guilty or probably guilty. If
he believes she is innocent and is still willing to file an appeal for "the
sake of the process". I suggest if she goes back to prison, that the
attorney general go too, to demonstrate that he too is willing to spend
undeserved time and to waste what he has left of his life, for the sake of
protecting this process.In other words, don't impose sacrifices of
others that you aren't willing to do yourself. Or to put it another way, Lead by
I agree whole heartedly with Deserthiker. In the balance of justice prosecutors
have an unequal and much heavier hand-- even a thumb on the scale of liberty.
These two quotes says it all: "Utah Attorney General Mark
Shurtleff had decided"... "Their resistance stems from a desire to not
have a mistake on the books," she said. Officials don't want to admit that
something wasn't handled correctly and that justice wasn't done...This is nothing more than ego and politics. We could get rid of Shurtleff,
but the next AG will be the same menace.
"Yet because Brown's is the first case to be tried under the new statute,
Shurtleff wanted an appeal to make sure everything was handled correctly. It
really isn't about Debra Brown, he said. It's about the process"Yeah right! Let it go and let her rebuild the life that was stolen from her by
the incompetent and dishonest investigators and prosecutors all those years ago.
Personally I think that this is selective prosecution/persecution.
Utah Attorney General Shurtleff seems to be saying,"Gee whiz! This poor
woman didn't SUFFER enough! Let's see if we can try her again!"
Man is not just! Our judicial system tries to be just, but it is based on
unjust laws many times, laws that are established to give lawyers work, and not
to necessarily administer justice to victims of crimes. I'm currently working
with the AG's office on a financial fraud case, and they seem anxious to
prosecute the criminals, but not return funds/assets to the victims. Is that
Let this poor woman go and have a life. It's not right to say they won't appeal
and then later reverse that. Leave her and her family alone.
Maybe the Utah Supreme Court will find in her favor and let her freedom
continue. It does seem unfair the way the AG's Office is jacking her around.
I'm all for criminals serving their time. I'm also for true justice that
convicts the guilty and exonerates the innocent. Too often I think ego, desire
for career advancement etc warp the judgement of prosecutors who seek conviction
at any cost just to close a case. The evidence that convicted Brown initially
was circumstantial and flimsy. She was guilty of check forgery-and has admitted
it. Based on the facts as reported in the media, it's also pretty clear that she
wasn't guilty of murder, but was the easiest target for police and prosecutors
at the time. The hearings have been held, the standard of evidence has been met-
as ruled by the court. Even though "double jeopardy" protections don't
apply in this case, making a political yo-yo out of Brown while the state carves
out the precedent it hopes for in future cases just feels wrong. Let's fine
tune the law in the legislature and let Ms. Brown get on with her life. She has
more than amply paid the penalty for her crimes. It's time to stop spending tax
dollars and let this case go.
I am so tired of the powerful doing such injustices while the little guy suffers
at his hand.