Sportfanatic,You can wish all you want, but the name Coach K is not
a registered trade mark. It works for many of us, so you'll just have to get
used to it. We like our new coach and the ealy moves he has made to get the
program back on track.I am puzzled by the number of BYU fans
defending Josh and his family's actions. Why do you think he was originally
going to walk on at BYU before the paperwork error was discovered? Because NCAA
rules say unless a program releases you from your contract with them, no other
program can offer you a scholarship for at least 1 year. Why is that rule in
place? To encourage these kids to honor their agreements and keep their word.
As has been pointed out by others, he got a year's worth of schooling and the U
got nothing from him.I don't begrudge Josh his right to change his
mind. He obviously didn't want to be a Ute, but I do think too many BYU fans
are trying to sugar coat the lack of integrity shown by Josh and his family.
Ender,You make a good point and I believe part of the reason Coach K
didn't make contact right away was to respect that.
First of all, I wish the Utah fans would stop calling him Coach K. Like a
previous poster said, there is only "1" Coach K and he doesn't live in
Utah. Second of all, recruits choose universities because of coaches
that have spent the time to get to know them and recruit them. Coach Boylen was
fired and sent on his way. Josh now has no ties to the Utes. He owes the new
coach or his staff nothing. Why do you Yewtes think that other players bolted
for greener pastures as well? the utes now have a very unproven coach over a
team that is moving to a much more talented conference, and we all know that
Utah will be the bottom feeders in the PAC12 for several years to come. BYU has
a proven, successful coach, and a program that has been on the rise for years.
BYU wants him, and they have a spot for him. Josh would be a fool for staying at
Utah, when the Y is in a much better position as far as their independence and
their TV contract with ESPN and BYUTV. Its called exposure. Good luck Josh.
As an active LDS Church member, I am disappointed by the BYU fans who are
defending Sharp's actions. He is still on his mission!Rather than
communicating his son's decisions regarding where Josh will play basketball upon
his return, Sharp's father should be telling Josh the same thing that Pres.
Hickley's father told him, "Gordon . . . I have only one suggestion: forget
yourself and go to work."While serving a mission, "but one
thing is needful" and that is NOT worrying about where to play basketball
after the mission.
Good luck to Elder Sharp and good luck to Coach Krysco.
This change-thing happens even with the "big" names. According to a
Wikipedia article regarding Kris Humphries (current NBA player):"Coming out of high school, Humphries had accepted a scholarship offer to
Duke University, but later reconsidered and attended the University of Minnesota
instead."Humphries, Sharp, Nelson, Olsen, and many others
(athletes or not) appear to change their minds for whatever reason and want to
attend a different school than they originally had planned to attend. It's not
a crime, sin, or whatever. These KIDS just change their minds and want to be
with different coaches, programs, players, girlfriends, best friends, mission
companions, siblings...Give it a rest and move on! Let the kid
AZguy: I would guess that BYU did not recruit this missionary. His family
probably made the first move. I would like this confirmed though.As
noted above, the Provo Herald has an article with full quotes from Sharp's
father. Go there and you will see that BYU did not recruit Sharp while on his
mission (he is serving in my mission now, btw) and in fact Sharp is essentially
walking on at BYU to try and earn a scholarship. It is disturbing
that a few Ute fans are trying to make this into some sort of hypocritical
conspiracy by BYU. Props to the many Ute fans who are not falling for that
superficial characterization and can see this for what it is - a kid making a
Mormon Ute"If you want to talk about integrity, how about the U
officials who disclosed the error knowing they would lose this kid. They could
have simply kept it quiet and again denied the request to release him."Kept it quiet and risked a possible NCAA rules violation for falsifying
a legitimate request for information from a member institution?Failure to disclose known information is just as much a lie as providing false
information -- ask Jim Tressel.
For anyone still following this thread it would benefit the discussion if you
read the Provo Daily Hearld article "Former Lone Peak standout will be a
Cougar". This is a well written, detailed and chronological explanation of
what occurred and dispells almost every bit of conjecture, guessing, inuendo,
false beliefs and backbiting that this thread has contained.Like it or
not...Josh just decided to make a change.Excellent piece of journalism.
rlsintx-Completely agree. If there is a coaching change, players ought to be
able to look at other schools with no penalty. I don't think schools should be
able to recruit, but the players can make contact. MormonUte-I agree with your comment. that is the way I read the article-BYU contacted
the U about the paperwork. That does not mean that BYU made the first contact,
but they were not completely hands off. I would like it confirmed
that BYU did not make the first contact and was just reacting from a
representative of the player (family member in this case). My understanding has
always been that BYU does not contact missionaries to recruit them. Contact has
to be made from the player. That, I believe, should be a strict internal BYU
rule if it is not already.
Rikitikitavi,Hold on a minute. Lya Wodraska in the Tribune reported
that BYU made the contact with the U that uncovered the paperwork error. So
don't play the holier than thou card and try to say BYU wasn't involved in
making this happen. I'm sure Sharp's family called BYU officials to see what
could be done, because the U had twice denied their efforts to get Josh released
from his scholarship. BYU then contacted the U athletic department which led to
the discovery of the paperwork error. If you want to talk about integrity, how
about the U officials who disclosed the error knowing they would lose this kid.
They could have simply kept it quiet and again denied the request to release
UteExpat,I will defend Josh for not making direct contact himself
and I know Coach K understands the mission rules enough to not be offended by
that. My son couldn't even call me while he was serving so why would it be
appropriate for Josh to call a coach? At the same time, zeba, I
believe Coach K was trying to respect the mission rules himself by not
contacting Josh. He didn't contact the family either for a couple of reasons
that he has explained in some interviews. One is he had a lot to do in the
first few months on the job and the last thing he was worrying about were kids
locked into scholarships. He figured he didn't need to deal with Josh until he
got home and that was the plan. It would have worked fine, if the paperwork
error had not happened and if Josh's family hadn't been actively trying to get
him out of his scholarship even before Coach K took over. I don't know how
badly Josh wanted out, but his family definitely wanted him out of it.
CougFaninTX,You talk as if Duke's coach is somehow a god or has a
patent on the nick name. Get over it. Shortening the name to Coach K is easy
and everyone here knows who were are talking about.
FanofBYU,Did it ever occur to you that maybe Coach K was trying to
respect the Church's rules regarding missionaries not having contact with people
back home outside their immediate family? Another factor is that he thought
there wouldn't be a problem since Josh was on scholarship and he wanted to wait
until he could talk face to face. This kid was gone before Coach K
took over. He and his family have simply used the supposed lack of contact as
UteExpat "What a wimpy way to go about this. His dad emailed
the coach?"His dad created a verifiable, indisputable
communication. A phone call can easily become a he said/he said situation and a
written letter would take at least a day longer.It's funny how
outraged Utah fans become when a missionary decides to transfer from BYU to
Utah, but not a word is said by BYU fans when a missionary transfers from BYU to
Utah.What really irks U about the whole Josh Sharp situation is that
BYU's basketball program is now considered to be so much better than Utah's,
that a quality player, on his own, initiated a transfer from Utah to BYU.Utah hit its highwater mark in 1998 and the program has been in steady
decline since. Bogut and Neville provided a couple of brief sparks of life for
the program, but it's now headed for doormat status in a sometimes power
@CougFaninTXI think coach should go with coach LK this should work for all
that are confussed with the other coach k..............
Perpetual Doormat, refers to the entire Athletic Department. Utah won 1
Conference Championship last year. BYU won 9. Standard fare.Utah
will not win a Conference Championship in any sport in the next 20 years, with
perhaps the exception of gymnastics, and even there, UCLA has had their number
for years.They will also become, in short order, a bottomfeeder
program in the Pac 10 little 2. Every Conference has them. Utah = Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Rutgers, Wake Forrest, Baylor, Washington
State, etc....They'll never be UCLA, USC, ASU, Arisona, Washington,
Oregon or a Stanford.So enjoy your tv dollars as the doormats of
other leagues do and realize that like them, U will not be getting National TV
As far as I'm concerned, because a player is recruited by the mouth of a
different head coach, the day that promise maker is gone - ALL the players he
recruited should be allowed the opportunity to choose to play elsewhere if they
so desire. I've watched too many athletes give up their lives to be
at a place because of the coach and his promises, and then to have it all blown
away in an instant with a coaching change. IF the coaches have
opportunity to change commitments without loss of continuity, so should the
to coach K2: I get it that you are new to how things work in Utah. Take it from
me: when BYU says it, they mean it. When BYU says they DO NOT RECRUIT
missionaries currently serving...they REALLY do hold to their word. It's called
INTEGRITY! Best of luck. Any contact between missionaries and BYU (players not
bound to BYU) comes via DAD...NEVER initiated or even followed up by BYU but by
DAD. The e-mail thing is a non-issue, give it a rest already.
Boy, after reading all these posts I really think that u fans are REALLY, REALLY
worried about your program. So many players have left the team and the new coach
and already opened his mouth and made it sound like he doesn't understand the
universities in the state and now u finally realize that your bball program is a
complete and utter train wreck. Will the program make a come back?
If u were in the MWC or WAC I would say yes, but since you will be competing in
the pac 10.1.1, it is a big NO. Say good bye to the basketball program or at
least competing or playing in the big dance for the foreseeable future.
What a wimpy way to go about this. His dad emailed the coach? Neither one had
the guts to make a phone call? Have some pride and man up. And don't give me
this baloney about mission rules preventing a call. If he's thinking about it
while on his mission, he may as well make the call.
Everyone seems to be missing the obvious... What missionary athlete that has
transferred to BYU has made much of an improvement? And it seems all the best
athletes at BYU didn't go on missions... Young, McMahon, Detmer, Jimmer,
Heaps?If Sharp turns out to be an exception to what I mentioned,
then Coach K only has himself to blame, he should have reached out to Sharp's
UteologyWhile U were busy polishing your 67-year-old trophy for
winning the weakest NCAA tournament in history, Coach Rose and BYU sprinted past
U and are steadily leaving U in our rear-view mirror.Dave Rose
EraBYU - overall 159-45 (77.9%); MWC 78-18 (81.3%); 4 championships; 5
NCAAsUtah - overall 95-94 (50.3%); MWC 44-52 (45.8%); 1 championship; 1
NCAABYU was in the Sweet Sixteen in 2011Utah has only played
in one NCAA since 2005head-to-headBYU 10 (including 9 of the
last 10)Utah 3Like almost every other Utah player the past two
seasons, Josh simply took a hard look at that train wreck on the hill and
decided he'd rather be part of a winning program.
Can y'all quit referring to Larry Krystkowiak as Coach K. There is only one
Coach K and it is not Larry Krystkowiak.If you must shorten his
name, how 'bout Coach L, Coach Kryst, Kowiak or just Larry.
Hey folks, Coach has himself to blame for this. Based on the article, it would
appear that Coach K wasn't even trying to develop a connection with this young
man. Why? How hard would it have been to arrange a meeting with him and his
family while he was in the neighborhood?It will be much harder for
him to recruit in-state talent after this. All eyes are on him and he isn't
scoring any points.
It's like Patton said: "Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a
loser." The Utah Basketball program is a stinker right now. The kid could
see that as well as anyone.
Wookie,It seems hypocritical of me that you should take this
opportunity to BYU bash when BYU nor Sharp did anything to cause this. YOU all
fired the coach Sharp wanted to play for. YOUR paperwork guy didn't do his job
correctly. And YOUR new coach didn't instill this kid with enough confidence for
him to stick around anyway.Maybe your self-pitying blame game should
start at the U.
Josh made a smart decision to transfer to BYU, he must be very Sharp. Welcome
I think this situation is similar to the one with ben olsen. I was really
bummed that he decided to transfer but there wasnt all of this venoum coming
from cougar fans. Yes, all of us were disappointed that he left but we realized
it was because 1. byu's head coach was fired and 2. byu was not playing very
well. That is what i blamed on olsen tranfering. I just think that its very
telling that most (not all) utes on this board are not only blaming the kid and
byu but they are using personal attacks by calling him hypocritical. Just a
difference that I notice about byu and ute fans.
wookie, why are you only going after this kid for leaving. what about the other
7 or the exodus that happened last year? What about jake murphy? What about
burton and others that left early for the pros? I doubt that you will respond
to this because you have failed to defend your own hypocrisy when pointed out by
others using these same examples.
@Parry is a FarceAre you new to these threads? Try skipping over
Bluto's posts, he's the type of fan the Bronco was referring to as described in
this article "BYU Head Coach Bronco Mendenhall Calls Own Fans
Dumb".Utah is horrible today, there's no defending that.
However, a team that finished #1 MWC in 2008 and Sweet 16 2005 is hardly a
doormat. @LP Grad, BYU AlumSince BYU fans are all over
Ute football for not being on ESPN. I figured I use some facts posted on ESPN
to make a point:UTAH NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORYFinal Fours: 4Tournament Record: 35-30Championship Seasons: 1944Tournament
Appearances: 27BYU TOURNAMENT HISTORYFinal Fours: 0Tournament Record: 14-29Championship Seasons: NoneTournament
Appearances: 26Nope, no mention about the NIT. No one cares about
the 1944 title. But Jimmer and Ainge era's combined can't match the the 1998
Okay it's settled, sharp has no scruples and will fit in with the hypocritical
standards of those who justify his actions.
Parry,To say that BYU has never been as high as Utah is a bit of a
stretch, don't you think? I do agree that it ebbs and flows, but I think your
red glasses are getting in the way a little bit. BYU's got 2 NIT titles, from
back when the NIT was the premier tournament in the country, and much more
prestigious than the NCAA tourney. Add that to the Ainge era, and now the
Jimmer era. So I guess my point is that you are correct in that Utah will not
stay dormant for long, and that things do change quickly. But I disagree with
your assessment that BYU has never been as high as Utah. If your statement were
true, mine would be just as valid when I say Utah has never been as high as BYU
in football. I think Utah has made tremendous inroads as a non-AQ team, and
will now reap the benefits as a revenue-sharing AQ. In terms of national
prominence, Utah and BYU football are both pretty good. So give props where
they are due...to both programs.
Duckhunter... you exemplify why its so easy to continue despising your kind.
Instead of celebrating a good pickup by your team, you instead choose to beat
your same tired drum. It's getting really old pal. Really old.Now,
actually addressing the topic at hand...I dislike BYU as much as
anyone, but this is fine with me. I'm not sold on Sharp... but the bottom line
is, if he doesn't want to be a Ute... let him go. Coach K will find someone else
to pick up the slack. Congrats BYU on the pickup.
Don't know much about the kid but if the Utes want him that bad, he must have
some skills. Welcome aboard.
Good move for Sharp and BYU. Free agency occurs not only in professional sports.
@screenname123"what we do know is that kids aren't deciding to
transfer to Utah while on their missions"Actually we know
exactly the opposite."I thought about it during my mission and
Utah just seemed the place to be, - Jake Murphy"Thanks to SeattleU for that quote.So what we also here is that you
are either ignorant to the facts or else you are purposely trying to distort
them for your own purposes.
Boy, if there ever was any doubt in this kid about going to Utah, the comments
on this thread by Utah fans should erase any doubt.Why would any LDS
return missionary play for a coach who said he doesn't want to recruit
@Laser - Because BYU fans never say anything remotely ridiculous (rolling my
Nice to see quality comments on this even amongst the ridiculous rants. Thank
you to those offering perspective.
Sharp's parents are probably so glad they helped their son move to BYU,
especially after reading what the U fans say on these comment boards.
Good comments on people changing their minds on their mission. Two of my
neighbors had full athletic scholarships in CA their first year of college.
When they were on their missions, both decided they wanted to attend BYU on
their own dime. It happens.
"We want Josh to be a part of our program and are disappointed that rival
schools can take advantage of a loophole in the system should they choose,"
said Krystkowiak, who has repeatedly declined to specifically identify any other
programs. "Josh attended classes here for a year, signed an NLI and
financial aid agreement, and we want him to continue his education and playing
career here."I feel real bad for the ute nation. Wouldn't it be
a no brainer for the kid to go with the BCS??
Sharpie is bringing his talents to Provo just like Troy Hinds, Chase Hansen, and
An aquaintence of mine plays D-1 basketball. In talking with his mission pres.,
he told him he wanted to make plans so he could enroll in college after his
mission. The mission pres. said that was fine and told him recruiters could
talk to him for one day. The schools were contacted and made arrangements to
meet him on his P-Day. UCONN, ASU, and BYU all made the trip to his mission to
visit with him on his P-Day and made their pitch. He felt good about ASU,
finished his mission, and is now playing for the Sun Devils. The
point is that it is usually the player that changes his mind or wants to make
the plan for after a mission. If they wait until they are done with a mission,
they are going to have to wait another year. I filled out three college apps
while I was on a mission and I kept my focus. It is not a sin to plan for the
future. I would guess that BYU did not recruit this missionary.
His family probably made the first move. I would like that confirmed though.
Stop with the "He should focus on his Mission" garbage. I was very
concerned about what happened to me after my mission, which is why I spent
p-days looking over college applications, as did every other missionary in my
mission. Good grief, give it a rest. You CAN be a good missionary and think
about your future for heaven's sake. I even went sight-seeing and did my
laundry on p-day, I guess I just wasn't focused enough.I guess he is
suppossed to just step off the plane and say "Wow, I better think about
school now, oh well, I guess I'll just sit at mom and dad's house for six months
while I fill out collegee applications." Hey VegasUte, he may
be in the WCC, but at least we can watch him play.....on TV that is.Good luck Sharp!
I thought about it during my mission and Utah just seemed the place to be, - Jake MurphyVegas Ute, et al: mind showing us where and
when you said the same things about Jake Murphy... crickets
I like many of you don't think that Sharp is going to be a starter but he could
become a quality reserve off the bench. I've always thought that great teams are
good ones with a deep bench. Sharp will without question bring more to the court
than James Anderson (who I liked).@In Stitches: I have a college
degree (sadly, not from the Y and luckily, not from the U) and I have never
heard the word "pharisaical." What does that mean?Regarding the U not having any local products, I think this is going to be the
norm. To compete with Pac-12 teams, the Utes will have to shy away from the LDS
good-but-not-great players and bring in the big-city kids from California,
leaving BYU to pick and choose among them. Utah gets more secular and BYU gets
more Utah/Mormon, making the rivalry even more delicious.And from
what I heard, Boylen didn't "screw up" the paperwork. He did it on
purpose as a "soft commit" that he could back out of if needed. Has
any one else heard it that way?Good luck Utes, Go Cougars.
Good to see Sharp's focus is on where it should be - HIS MISSION! Has anyone
told him yet that he will be playing to crowds of dozens of people in the WCC?
Maybe he can answer this question for us all who don't understand the WCC - what
is the ruling when the tipoff hits the ceiling?Go Santa Clara!!
Idablu, I agree that he will most likely never be a starter. At either
program. However, the kid will be used as a tool by BYU to show other potential
recruits how kids are leaving Utah to go to BYU. This can be very powerful
ESPECIALLY when recruiting the Lone Peak kids. I saw Boylen at least at four
Lone Peak games this last year. Don't think for a minute that he was using
Sharp as a tool for recruiting their players. My point is that BYU fans seem to
be painting this picture that no reruiting is going on while kids are on their
missions. When the evidence suggests that there is. As for the earlier post
stating that we don't know if Whittingham is doing the same thing, you are
correct. We don't. However, what we do know is that kids aren't deciding to
transfer to Utah while on their missions. But kids are deciding to go to BYU
while on missions. Once again, if BOTH SIDES would take off their fan glasses,
it's pretty apparent that something is going on.
He will be the next Jimmer for sure!
WookieYou DO realize that a scholarship is a year by year thing,
right? He fulfilled his one year commitment for his one year of free school. To
suggest his commitment extends beyond that is conveniently pharisaical. If you
want to be ticked, be ticked at the guy whose job it was to do the paperwork
CORRECTLY. Oh, I see, you're conveniently giving him a pass while crucifying
Sharp and BYU. How "un-hypocrical" of U.Plus, you sound
like a plain, ol' fashioned sore loser. So, go and enjoy the BCS (which you all
just abhorred a year and a half ago...).By the way, I'm from
out-of-state and none of my friends there have even thought about whether Heaps
was going to serve a mission or not. So, let's give that kid his free-agency
(according to The Plan) shall we and stop trying to judge EVERYONE.
An article in the Tribune indicates Josh Sharp asked for his release from the U
several times, but was denied. He wanted out of the program long before BYU
made any contact and BYU didn't make contact until they received word from the U
about the paperwork mistake. This is definitely a loss for the Ute's program,
but it is also just one more thing that I think we can blame on Boylen. He ran
the program into the ground and I don't think Sharp would have come back to the
U even if Boylen were still there.Good luck to Josh at BYU.
WookieNewsflash. A bunch of us HAVE lived outside the state and
nobody outside of BYU/U of U ever heard of Hall's "tirade" or have
even given a thought that Heaps isn't serving a mission. When pointing out
hypocrisy, you should look in the mirror. It's hard to claim the high moral
ground when you're not standing on it!
What gets me is why this is even a story. "Redshirt Ute Freshman to Walk On
at BYU". So? I read the story in the Daily Herald this morning. The story
took up half the sports section with a giant picture on the front page. I
thought maybe it was another story about Jimmer the way it was hyped. All I
could think was that Mr. Sharp hadn't seen his kid's name in the paper for so
long that he was having withdrawals and sent the sports writer (possibly a
neighbor or relative) a big long story about his son that no one remembers.
The transfer is nothing for Utes to cry about. Josh likely felt the collective
tugging on his heartstrings of: (a) BYU, sponsored by the same faith he was
representing for 2 years; (b) a rising program, led by a great coach; and (c) a
reunion with former Lone Peak teammates Nate Austin and Tyler Haws (next year
when Tyler returns from his mission, unless he can't resist Utah's PAC 10.2
affiliation and transfers up north...;)).
Told you. Lone Peak athlete = BYU signee. Look elsewhere for players Utah.
Why is BYU recruiting players while they are on their missions? Doesn't BYU want
missionaries focused on missionary work? Kinda seems hypocritical, I have a hard
time believing mission rules weren't being broken in this process. But maybe mission rules don't apply to potential BYU recruits.
screenname--Really? You're looking for a conspiracy where there is none.
Athlete or non-athlete, kids go on missions and decide to transfer to BYU ALL
THE TIME. The reverse is very rare (Ben Olsen being one off these exceptions).
So what do you HONESTLY think is more likely--that Sharps decided on his own
with possible parental input to abandon the trainwreck Utah for BYU, or BYU
coaches pressured him and his parents to transfer to BYU knowing he probably
would never be a starter.You're right, with the info we have at this
point, neither scenario can be proven, but based on past patterns and behaviors,
the logical observer would come to the conclusion that Sharps came to this
decision on his own without undue influence by BYU recruiters.
"Looks like Josh would rather play his basketball in high school gyms
rather than major cities in the West. Go fot it!"You mean he
left the major cities like Eugene, OR and Corvalis, OR to play in cities like
San Diego and San Fransisco? You need to think about what you are saying.
@screenname123So since no one can prove that "they aren't"
that must mean there is something to last weeks Big East talking to BYU rumor
also? How about this one, since you can't prove whittingham isn't
talking to kids on their missions, and jake murphy decided to transfer from BYU
to utah while on his mission it must mean utah is talking to kids on their
missions, or their parents, at the VERY LEAST. Isn't that so?
@westcoast1Well obviously the prospect of playing for utah,
regardless of the conference they are in, didn't have enough lure. Now an honest question. Why did Sharp do it? I know you don't have the answer
but why do you think he did it? It is obvious utah wanted to keep him as they
made a pretty big deal about it. So why did Sharp decide to leave and even more
important than that why did he decide to go to BYU?I can think of
numerous reasons but I would be very interested in getting a Ute fans take on
Illegal recruiting or not illegal recruiting. Ute fan or BYU fan. Doesn't
matter. What does seem to matter and also seems a bit alarming is how this
seems to be happening a lot lately. There was the kid from Logan. Then a
couple more in football. Now this one in basketball. BYU fans want to keep
bringing up Ben Olsen leaving for UCLA but that was close six or so years ago.
If everyone would take there blue or crimson colored glasses off for a minute,
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that something is happening that
wasn't happening two years ago. An no, it's not the newly found strength of the
BYU program. Minus a couple years, they have been pretty much the same type of
team for the last 20. Coaches are talking to the parents of these missionaries
at the VERY LEAST. I would even go as far to say in some cases the coaches are
the ones initiating it. Can I prove this? NO. But no one else can prove that
I guess the lure of playing in the mighty West Coast Conference with all of its
national exposure was too great for this kid.
reply:Parry is a Farce | 8:25 a.m. June 2, 2011 Layton, UT That's
funny you graduated from Utah State and are a fan of them, that year that BYU
went 1-25, they beat USU.
Where did this un-written rule come from? I recall a Ben Olsen that stated he
was going to BYU and then UCLA got him, while he was on his mission, hmmm.
Coach K just doesn't know how to work the system yet.
FinUte"I think it's too bad that folks in our day and age get
so bent out of shape so easily... "I think the Sharps acted
exactly as any concerned parent should have reacted. Krysto had already reneged
on promised scholarships to two other returning missionaries and his failure to
maintain regular contact with Josh was a red flag that he might also leave Josh
high and dry upon returning from his mission.And there, only a few
miles to the south, sits a fast rising program led by an excellent coach, who,
according to recent news reports, might just have an open scholarship for
Josh.Just because Krysto threw a little temper tantrum because
Boylen dropped the ball on the paperwork and Krysto dropped the ball on
communicating with his returning player, doesn't mean Josh, his parents, or BYU
did anything wrong or inappropriate.
Do you "really" believe BYU recruited him? Common. If you do, you
have no idea what BYU is about.This kid made his mind up and
contacted BYU. Simple. Done.
@Wookie, so BYU faithful should also be up-in-arms about Shawn Bradley, Steve
Young, and many others to "didn't do" something to your level of
acceptance. Each of us has choices to make, and consequences to deal with. At the end of the day, it was his choice to move on. As another poster
put it, his entire environment changed from when he left. He did nothing wrong,
or against the rules of the NCAA or the church."There comes a
point where milestones can become millstones and ambitions, albatrosses around
our necks." Just let it go and move on.
UteologySpin it however makes you feel better, but Boylen thought
Josh was one of the best players he recruited while he was at the U and Krysto
wanted Josh badly enough that he tried to lay a guilt trip on everybody even
remotely connected to Josh's decision to leave the U.Only time will
tell, but at the moment, this appears to be another big loss for Utah and a big
gain for BYU.
Go read the KSL story, much more informative. He was all-state, but had great
teammates ahead of him. Boylen red-shirted the kid but regretted it as he played
great in practices as a freshman. He is not a top recruit, but can fill a need
for BYU, probably as a bench player in the next couple of years given how good
both Haws and KC looked as freshmen.
It is a foolish assumption to think that BYU recruited him while he was on his
mission. I don't assume UCLA did it with Ben Olsen while he was on his mission
either. Things change. Some missionaries go on a mission and then decide BYU
isn't best for them (Ben Olsen). That is fine, I wish them well. Others (the
majority) go on a mission and then decide they would like to play at BYU (of
those changing schools). This is fine too. Utah shouldn't want a kid who doesn't
want to be there. They need players who are invested in building up the Utah
program again. Let him go and stop crying foul. I am excited to see
how he does at BYU. He and Davies could be pretty formidable on the front line.
It's more about the legacy of coach Rose. He deserves it.Coach Rose is a
beloved man who can motivate players better than almost any other collegiate
coach right now.
The email notification was appropriate for this situation. It provides a written
record, whereas a phone call could end up with a "he said, she said"
situation and should be confirmed in writing anyway. Let's face it, the Utes
blundered and are now trying to deflect criticism elsewhere.
BYU fans making it sound like we just lost out on the Decision II.Much to do about nothing.Now, if he helps BYU to a Final Four,
like Jimmer couldn't, then we lost a great player. Until then, move on nothing
speical here.I do like the fact that the father emailed "The
Decision II" to ONLY school that gave him a chance out of high school.
WookieSince when is it against church policy for a young man or
woman to make post-mission plans while faithfully serving a church mission?
Isn't that the purpose of "preparation day," to take care of personal
business such as writing letters, sight-seeing, and, heaven forbid, making
decisions concerning your post-mission life?I certainly made such
decisions during my mission. In fact, like Josh, I decided to transfer from a
state school in Utah, to BYU! I even ended up playing on an athletic team at
BYU. I did this completely on my own without any contact from BYU. In fact, BYU
had no knowledge of my plans until the day my BYU admission application arrived
at BYU.Stories like mine happen every day. In fact, out of the
thousands of missionaries currently serving all around the world, I'll bet you
couldn't find a single one who won't be making post-mission plans before the
conclusion of his/her mission.So what if Josh decided that he didn't
want to return to Utah and contacted BYU to see if they had an interest in him.
Since when is that a sin or crime?
I think it's too bad that folks in our day and age get so bent out of shape so
easily... From the Sharp's whining about Coach K not paying enough attention to
them (while their son was on a mission, no less), to fans getting upset that
there was a loophole in the paperwork.My opinion is that things work
out the way that they do for a reason. If Josh and his parents are wanting a
coaching staff to massage their ego and they'd rather go to BYU where he has
friends and they get to play in the WCC (instead of the Pac12, where the
challenge will undoubtedly be higher) then so be it. He might be more
successful in that environment, and good for him if that's the case.I still think the Sharps reacted poorly... but, it's their son and not mine.
Good luck Josh. Way to much whining by everbody. Too much whining about Ute
fans whining. Do BYU fans really think that if the shoe were on the other foot
that there wouldn't be a lot of Cougars whining?It is what it is. I
don't think this move will break the Utes or make the Cougars.
@WookieSo what you're saying is that every time a Ute player is arrested,
it's a double standard on the state of Utah, which otherwise employs law
enforcement officials to combat crime. I know what you're trying to
say here, but in the end you're just reaching with your logic.
wookie;What are the dozens of Sharp stories that demonstrate a double
standard and hypocrisy? I lived outside Utah for 7 years and I never had
co-workers come and tell me anything about the Y. No one cared with the
exception of other church members and a fans of a local BYU opponent that knew I
was LDS. None of your co-workers asked you about Hall's tirade or Heaps opting
to not do as his leaders have asked and serve a mission. And no one asked you
about Sharp not upholding his commitment and BYU interfering with a young man on
a mission. No one there cares. Many, many kids transfer every year all over the
country and unless they are transferring to or from Nebraska, no one in Omaha
even noticed. Your comments are the only thing that are Shameless and
embarrassing and only to you! The rest of us are just laughing at you.
What you fail to recognize is that Utah is a state school representing the state
of Utah and its diversity. BYU on the otherhand is a church school representing
the Church and its principles. These principles carry over from day to day to
day, not just Sunday. Foster kept his committment, Sharp didn't. Sharp had a
3rd party (at a minimum) communicating his standards. "Perhaps you notice
how the denial is so often the preface to the justification."
You gotta go to college where you feel it is best for you. He must feel BYU is a
better fit in this case. Good luck.BUT...I do find it
interesting that a little while back several BYU fans on these boards were
calling this kid mediocre, 4th best on his high-school team, not recruited by
BYU, leftovers for Utah, etc.Now that he's transferred to BYU he has
miraculously become a stellar kid, great talent, etc.Consistent
inconsistency, it's what I've come to expect. So bballjunkie, double standards
don't appear to have institutional preferance.
@wookieYou obviously have some issues over being both Mormon and a
BYU hater. It tears at your conscience and eats at your core. That's your
problem and I don't care if you ever resolve it. But you really
ought to avoid just making up "facts". I realize it is a manifestation
of your conflicted loyalties but it is more unbecoming to the church than
anything BYU or any BYU athlete has ever done.
Krystkowiak should probably be careful to know the situation before sounding off
on a rival. Many of my mission friends chose to transfer to BYU for many
reasons...many of them leaving full ride scholarships to other schools, knowing
that they may not get scholarships at BYU. Not one of them was recruited in any
way shape, or form by BYU.Maybe the kid wants to play with some of
his high school teammates, or maybe he sees more potential for himself at BYU.
Either way, it seems unlikely that he was actually recruited by BYU while
serving a mission. You really have to sign all of your paperwork at
once? That seems a little overly intense, especially for the "look the
other way" NCAA.
@Wookie We all know what happens when we assume. Can you tell me how you
found out that BYU recruited Sharp? Another point: Is it BYU's fault
that Hall went off on Utah? Is it the church's fault Heaps doesn't want to serve
a mission? How did BYU err here? You're taking stories from individuals (even
the feel-good story of Davies) and attributing them to the school itself, as if
the school itself broke the honor code and redeemed itself, then turned around
and decided not to go on a mission and launch a tirade against Utah. That's some
weird logic you got there. As for Sharp, get a grip. The reason he
chose Utah is no longer relevant. The man who recruited him is gone. The program
he was coming into is gone. Maybe you should turn your water cooler conversation
at work into one about whether or not other Ute players who left the program
received as much backlash about it as Sharp. They had scholarships and
@JapanCoug:Having grown up a member and serving a mission, I know
all too well what can happen in the field. Having said that, what I am trying
to state is that there appears to the outside world (i.e., non-byu fans) that
there is a double standard. If you think I'm wrong, ask those Ute fans posting
on this article if I am incorrect (also ask non-Utah/Utah State fans) and you
will get the same reaction. Compare Sharp to Foster. Foster, a good LDS
athlete has seen 2 coaches change yet he kept his committment. You are right
though, Sharp is making an individual choice. You and I both know what I mean
As a missionary I was not allowed to email anyone but my immediate family. I
could snail mail anyone, but email was restricted to family. Sharp could simply
have been obeying mission rules when he did not email the Utah Coach.
@Parry is a FarceUtah might rise again, maybe a very low seed in the
Tourney but I will almost guarantee that Utah will never again be the high end
"Program" they once were in the 90's.Fact
Looks like Josh would rather play his basketball in high school gyms rather than
major cities in the West. Go fot it!
scenic view | 7:12 p.m. June 1, 2011 Baltimore, MD -BYU wouldn't
have even had a scholarship for him if James Anderson hadn't decided to forego
his senior season and another kid who was offered a scholarship decided to play
at BYU-Hawaii.your comments about available scholarship is true but
the other kid isnt going to BYU-Hawaii (division II). He is going to
Hawaii-Hawaii (division I). His name is Hauns Brereton and played this past
season at Western Nebraska Community College. He would have been a nice
under-the-radar pickup for the cougars. Hauns said that the logical choice was
to go to BYU but the spirit told him otherwise... so i guess what can be learned
from this is that if the Lord is involved in recruiting he doesnt always favor
BYU. This is also a nice pickup for the cougars.
Lets talk double standard Ute fans and the rest of you.Josh,
mission= changes mind goes to BYU. (Utah whines about issues, pointing fingers,
accusations etc Utah fans jump on band wagon)Murphy, mission=
changes mind goes from BYU to Utah to play football and Utah says nothing, fans
praise this kid, great choice, BCS over Indepen, so on and so forth.BYU= No ill will no coaches accusing people doing anything wrong, best of luck
to him etc.Utah and Fans prove again there is a double standard when
it comes to this subject.
re: WookieI'm afraid the only sense I got out of your comment is that you
don't like BYU. It appears you are gathering the facts and assembling them to
agree with your preconceived notions. You mention BYU doing the right
thing with Davies and then mention Heaps not serving a mission, reflecting a
double standard for BYU. I would tell your coworkers that individuals who
attend BYU are just that, individuals. They each make their own choices. There's
roughly 30,000 of them and each of them must make their own decisions and live
with them. For every Davies out there, who does his best to accept the
consequences of breaking the honor code (and does so honorably, I might add),
there are players who go on national media outlets to lambast BYU about being
kicked out of school. Same action by BYU different results.Having
served a mission, I'd tell you that the only contacts I had from BYU were
through my parents. I'll bet you the same was true for Sharp. So, give BYU the
benefit of the doubt. Visit it sometime--it's a great place with great people.
If the kid wants to play in the WCC, let him.
Best of luck to Josh. Wish it would have worked out at Utah, but best of luck
in the future.
@Wookie: BYU is as shame-less in this transaction as Utah is hap-less. And we
can understand why this is so embarrassing to you. But I suspect the Ute program
will be fine in the long run.
The Utes got Jimmered, again!
This is going to be fun.It's Wayne Howard Time all over again.BYU this and BYU that.....blah blah blah. It's BYU's fault.Is it really inconceivable that an LDS athlete, after having served 2 years as
a missionary would want to play for the Church school?Is it
inconceivable that a 21 year old Man, can decide on his own that he wants to
play somehwere else?Especially when he sees one school is on
National TV, for Every Game, Every Week? Many of them on ESPN?And
another school will not be! But is stuck on local channels or Fox
Regional or some future premium Pac-12 network, heloo the mtn tv.Or
one is a Top 25 program, while the other is a perpetual doormat?One
is paying 3 Coaches, 2 former, while the other just resigned the hottest Coach
in America?Keep whining and running down the The Church School in
these parts, Coach k and see where your program goes.Every great
Utah team had local LDS kids. You want to win otherwise? Then you'll go the way
of Wayne Howard.
What is sad about stories like this is that the for every Davies feel good story
about the Y doing the right thing there are dozens of Sharp stories, wherein it
lies double standards and hypocrisy. If sports is a tool of proselyting, then
taking one step forward and two steps back seems pointless. If I am wrong try
living outside of the state and having co-workers come and tell you about how
cool it was that the Y followed their code with Davies but then these same
co-workers asking about Hall's tirade or Heaps opting to not do as his leaders
have asked and serve a mission. Two at fault here: Sharp not upholding his
commitment and BYU interfering with a young man on a mission. Shameless and
Basically, a program like BYU sells itself. A respected coach, with a new
contract, and a record of success breeds further success. I doubt too that BYU
contacted him directly. Feelers were probably relayed by his father, and voila,
in the short time since Utah announced his "free agency" he jumped at
a new lease on opportunity. Sounds like an athlete wanting to make the most of
What's up with Coach K whining about this kid being able to leave (because of
the University's mess up -- not the kid's) and trying to play the guilt card for
any other program this kid might be interested in? Why is he trying to claim the
higher moral ground when there isn't any?It's like he's TRYING to
alienate the LDS community. It sure will be interesting to see what
this guy does and says next.
Sounds like Coach K owes Dave Rose an apology. I understand leaping to
conclusions and saying something he shouldn't in the moment of disappointment.
But when the facts are revealed, how about manning-up and acknowledging the
error?Considering Utah's recent history and the rebuilding ahead,
which will take years, I can understand the player's decision. Someone else will relish the opportunity to make a name for himself in
restoring the Runnin' Utes to basketball greatness.
Time to gloat... about BYU basketball... again! Love it! Welcome to BYU Josh.
You're going to love it.
Funny how Coach Krysto claims to wish Josh well, but then says that recruiting a
player on his mission fosters ill will and implicates the BYU in wrong doing.
This statement was preceeded by him telling his team to look for the best
options and offers upon his arrival. SEVEN other players left on their own, but
Sharp leaves on his own and now it's a big deal?
alternateNice spin, but consider this:"He's one of
the best guys we recruited in the four years I was there. We had him penciled in
as starter coming back...I'm saying this humbly, but he was poorly evaluated out
of HS. I thought he was a high-major guy like J.J. (O'Brien)." --Jim
Boylen"once it was determined there would be an opening in
Provo, one thing led to another, and the decision to transfer was
solidified." --Yahoo! Sports writer Jeff Eisenberg In
other words, Josh Sharp was expected to be a starter for Utah next season and
Josh didn't make the decision to transfer to BYU until his family had confirmed
that there was an opening, that is, an available scholarship.Whether
as a starter or a bench player, Josh will be playing for BYU next season.
Cougar Independence:Great point. He probably also wanted to go to a
team that can actually beat WCC teams...
Somebody call the wambulance. I already dislike Krystkowiak. What if Josh made
the decision BY HIMSELF!!?!???! He is allowed to make decisions for himself
that will affect his career.
Remember that Ben Olsen made the same decision when he left for UCLA after his
mission. Similar situations too with a coaching change.
At this point we don't really know if he will get a scholarship from BYU. I
think what we have heard so far is speculation. He may have trouble getting
playing time, especially during his first two years. Having already used his
redshirt year, he may be a junior before he gets significant playing time.I too feel bad that the Utah coach made such a big deal out of this.
Frankly the loss of JJ to UNLV or SDS is far bigger. Coach K2 said very little
about that. Does anyone know where Tyrell Corbin is headed? I
actually thought the Utes had a good shot at getting him.
I loved seeing this kid in high school and thought he was way underrated then.
He's scrappy, knows how to pick up the garbage, and has a work ethic on the
court that is outstanding. He'll thrive in the BYU program. Can't
wait to see him playing again.
Josh probably learned that he would be on Versus if he played at Utah, or on
ESPN if he played at BYU. Clearly we know which choice he made! BYU
and ESPN are a winning combination!Go Cougars!
There is only one Coach K and he doesn't coach the U. By the way, The U symbol
with your hands was a nice grab from Miami. Enjoy the PAC 12. This BYU fans has
no interest in what the Utes doexcept when it involves games with the Cougars.
See you in September oh mighty Utah.
Let's just say you had a contingent job offer with company A and you took a
vacation before starting work. When you came back, the guy who hired you had
been canned, the entire management was gone, 90% of your peers had bolted, and
the company was now losing money in a major way with a very limited future, but
promises for a better day soon to come. Just down the street was a company in
the same business with employee development, strong profits, and stable
management. You have zero committment to company A because of errors in paper
work. This is an easy decision. Finally, it is poor taste for Krysko to attack
the integrity of Company B, after all you are looking at an entirely different
company than the one that initially recruited you.
@UU32I completely agree with you. If BYU had a player that wanted to
transfer, and transferred within the rules, he is free to go. I especially
agree when the coach who recruited the player is gone. Players commit to
universities because of coaches, not because of conferences.Although
I'm having a hard time seeing where Sharp will fit in. He seems like a classic
3 spot player. This year we have Abouo and Rogers at the 3. Next year we'll
have Haws and Rogers. The next two years we'll have Haws and K. Collinsworth
unless Collinsworth moves to the 2 or PG. Or maybe be can gain some bulk and
play the 4?Regardless, he seems like a great kid who will help
solidify our program. Welcome aboard Josh.
As a Ute fan I am completely OK with this. If a kid decides to go elsewhere they
ought to. If the program is not what they want it to be, they should be allowed
to pursue it within the rules. It makes me a little weary that Coach K will be
turned off to LDS kids and lose the battle on the homefront, but that may have
been inevitable anyway. Congrats to BYU for picking up a good talent. Hopefully
Krystko has one of those international players he takled about in the pipeline
looking to come over.
Well utah football is in great shape for their first year in the south division,
so they can hang their hats on football. What's one more transfer in a bad
Josh no doubt knows that BYU went independent. It is possible that some of the
members or converts in his mission area are excited about every BYU game being
broadcast on either ESPN or BYUTV. He is feeling the same excitement so decided
he would transfer to BYU. I'm 100% certain that BYU did not recruit him. But
when Dad expressed interest, BYU accepted and offerred him a scholarship they
had available. Good luck, Utah, in your recruiting this year in BB. Hope you
do well in both FB and BB(from a Utah and BYU alum).
We all know how it works.BYU is the "Texas" of Mountain
West Football.Whatever Texas wants, Texas gets.What ever
BYU wants, it usually gets.BYU did not want the MWC.BYU
wanted "Independence".BYU got what it wanted.It is pointless to try to prove that Sharp was or was not recruited. What's
done is done.The real issue is that teams in the old WAC and the MWC
learned to complain, but then quietly move on.All of this talk or
"whisper campaign" about what BYU does or does not do has not been
lost on what's left of the BIG 12.In terms of money, The BIG 12 has
been reduced to Texas and the LITTLE 9. Will the "LITTLE
9" be willing to have Texas's alterego join the BIG 12 revenue party? Will Texas and the LITTLE 9 want to deal with the "missionary
program"? We will see...
If there is anything classless here it is Krysko screaming foul play trying to
play an ethics card, a rivalry card, and most importantly setting up yet another
excuse as to why the team will not be able to compete. Just for a moment
imagine signing a good faith commitment with an employer before you left out of
town for a couple of weeks vacation. By the time you got back the management
had been gutted, the guy who hired you was replaced by a total unknown, 90% of
your peers had bolted for greener pastures, and the company appeared to be
incapable of making money for the next decade. Finally, just down the street a
culture of winning, player development, and stability was available. You are
told you have no committments to the first company. Are you sure you would
stay? Would you feel obligated to meet with the new boss face to face. If you
said yes, you will never make a career change no matter teh circumstances.
CdA Ute: One of the things a 19-year old learns on a mission is how to plan
ahead (as the former dean of the Harvard Business School reported on the Charlie
Rose show on PBS a few years ago). Planning ahead for school upon one's return
doesn't imply lack of concentration for the work at hand. I wasn't a basketball
player, but I made college plans for when I returned to the U and it was just a
couple of letters exchanged with my parents to make sure I was set to start
school when I got home. That's the kind of thing missionaries do on their
preparation day along with doing laundry and playing basketball if a gym can be
Today Basketball soon it will be Football,And the Utes will cry wee,
wee, wee, all the way home.
I'm not going to begrudge the kid for leaving whether he was recruited or
contacted BYU on his own. But, shouldn't he be concentrating on doing the work
at hand on his mission?
ouisc, ...Lets not jump to conclusions here about how he
communicated with the U and start calling the kid names. Having served a
mission, I'm pretty sure he, as a missionary, only communicates with family and
maybe a close friend or two back home. This is usually by letter, and only
twice a year allowed by telephone. I'm willing to bet he mentioned in a letter
home that he had changed his mind to play for BYU. Dad took the next step and
informed the U of the change. On missions, you aren't too concentrated on
calling up your university and talking about sports, and is probably not
allowed. Leave the kid alone with the name calling and show some class
We cougars aren't classless! We aren't holier than thou. We aren't delusional
and we aren't obsessed with Utah!
Josh Sharp sounds like a great get for BYU.Welcome aboard Josh!
In case U missed it, the Pac 12 just announced that Utah's Pac 12 debut at USC
will be televised on...VERSUS!
Whatever ouisc...He was an awesome get when he was intending to play
for the Utes, and all of the sudden has become a dud for changing his mind to
play for your big brother to the south. Really, it was just plain
common sense on his part, go play for the far better program (hands down) to the
train-wreck on the hill...pretty smart kid if you ask me...
I should say on the surface it seems a bit chicken for the dad to notify coach K
by email, but maybe that was how they generally had communicated or something
that we aren't privy to.
ouiscHave a little whine with your sour grapes.BYU will
be very happy to take this fine, upstanding, returned missionary who will now
become a great addition to the stellar program Dave Rose is building at BYU.A Utah fan stated a couple of weeks ago that Utah's basketball program
couldn't sink any lower. It appears that the Utes still have a ways to go before
they hit rock bottom.
I wish Josh well. If he doesn't want to be at the U, I don't want him to be
there. I do think it's a bit chicken for the dad to notify coach K by email,
but, what's done is done.Go Utesviva la Pac-12
Scholarships are one-year contracts. When you go a mission or join the military
you are released from your scholarship. Whether BYU recruited him or not
matters not. They (BYU nor Sharp) did anything wrong.
I must agree with Coach K....the recruiting that happens while a player is on a
mission is pretty classless. Oh, yeah, so is having your father email the
University that you're transfering. LOL. I would hate to root for a guy like
this, anyways. But I'm sure someone is desperate enough to take this kid.
It's not shameless. The coach that recruited him was fired, and the new coach
has no relationship with him and is yet to prove himself to any of us Utah fans.
Rose is a known commodity so it's not such a big surprise that Sharp would
change his mind. There is no evidence that he was recruited by BYU, and no
report that Sharp has been offered a scholarship yet. As a Utah fan I'm
optimistic that the new coach will bring the U back to the kind of program we
had with Gardner, Foster, Pimm, and Majerus, but it will take awhile to recover
from tatters the program is in now.
I guess Josh doesn't realize that the utes will be in the final four every year
now that they're in the Pac12!
Sorry, to disappoint you Maverick, but Josh Sharp decided to leave Utah and
enroll at BYU on his own. He wasn't recruited by BYU, in fact, BYU wouldn't have
even had a scholarship for him if James Anderson hadn't decided to forego his
senior season and another kid who was offered a scholarship decided to play at
The loophole allows it, but I'm sure he made the decision on his own w/o BYU
actively recruiting him. One he stated his intention, it's a no brainer to go
after him. Just following a trend of other key Ute basketball players this year
to leave and pursue fresh opportunities. Utes should recover fine and it opens
up for another player who will love the opportunity to play for the new coach
and new conference foes.
I just can't understand why players aren't flocking to utah now that they are in
the pac10? That is what wedgie said would happen but instead they are all baling
out like rats from a sinking ship. It just doesn't make any sense. Don't they
know that utah used to be good? Don't they know utah has a basketball legacy? Oh
wait....ute "fans" tell us legacies are meaningless. No one remember's
them. They must be right.LOL