Published: Wednesday, June 1 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT
Google the effects of warming on the jet stream before making such a comment.
Back home in maryland my mom returned from vacation to find the house at 90
degrees (so much for that leaving the AC off plan). You see, Frederick, MD hit
102 today and that's a city that has the same average temperatures yearround
(roughly) as Salt Lake City but you're not going to see me say that proves
global warming. The reason is there's anomalies everywhere and if we're talking
about global warming, you have to look at the globe.
Phoey! The big argument is whether any of our weather is caused by MAN. What
little science implies that it is...is countered by Nature itself. Most CO2 is
a result of natural causes, most polution is a result of natural causes,
therefore, unless "Mother Nature" can be swayed by legislative means,
the weather will continue to frustrate those who wish to control the globe.
Climate and weather.Climate changes doesn't mean that you still
won't have local weather conditions.
Kirk - look a little beyond your North Salt Lake neighborhood and you might find
a different story. A friend of mine from Logan reported snow on Memorial Day
while I was sweltering through 95 degrees with a humidity factor making it feel
like 103. This tornado season has been one of the most deadly in recent history
and one of the most deadly in all history. The hundreds that have been killed
by these horrific, violent storms might have a different take on the changing
weather than your simplistic viewpoint.
Real, unbiased,financially detached science is now debunking the global warming
hoax. Satellite imagines show ocean levels are stable,not raising as James
Hansen NASA "scientist" predicted in the 80's. Global mean
temperatures have been dropping steadily since 1999, not increasing as some
predicted. This in face of increasing CO2 emissions from China and India.
Rasmussen polls show most Americans no longer believe in man made global
warming. We have just had the coldest winter and spring in N. America since 1917
documented by real, honest meteorologists. None of the dire environmental
predictions made in the 80's and 90's have come true. They could not have been
more wrong! And still some still hope for a massive cap and trade transfer of
wealth, which is really this silly scam was about!
Presidents involved in CCX makes me question the relevance of global warming.
If there is something to be gained by these evil groups and people by selling
carbon credits then, in my opinion, its probably a scam.
DougS and Mountanman,The scientific evidence is abundant that global
warming is real and man-made. "Most CO2 is a result of natural
causes..."That is incorrect. Scientists can study the nuclei of
the carbon atoms in atmospheric CO2 and trace the source of the carbon.
Earth's rapidly climbing levels of atmospheric CO2 comes from the combustion of
fossil fuels. That's an established scientific fact."Real,
unbiased,financially detached science is now debunking the global warming
hoax."That's wildly untrue. The real and unbiased science
establishing the reality of anthropogenic global warming is massive and growing.
Google "global warming evidence" and see what happens.If
you're going to argue against that, please cite your sources and the
professional science journals that publish that research. Op-ed pieces from
Exxon-funded "think tanks" don't count. "Rasmussen
polls show most Americans no longer believe in man made global warming."The laws of physics could care less."None of the dire
environmental predictions made in the 80's and 90's have come true"What a whopper! Cite your sources for that claim. The reality is that
the warming is _faster_ than predicted.
I kind of like the cold weather we have been having. But then, I own stock in
the gas company. The cold weather works for me, thanks Mother Nature.
G-L-O-B-A-L does not mean YOU right there. It wasn't funny the first
thousand times and it's still not funny. People laugh when you say it allright,
it's just that they aren't laughing with you like you think.
Re Blue. Thanks but I am obliged to stand by the findings of my own open minded
study of this issue. I invite you to site one example of any dire prediction
happening caused by man made global warming! Oceans are not rising, snow still
falls everywhere it always has, deserts are not getting larger and the earth has
been cooling since 1999. These facts are indisputable regardless of an ever
shrinking number of people who want it to be otherwise!
Re: "How many of these sophomoric, ignorant comments will the Deseret News
print?"As many as climate "scientists" pass their
way, is my guess.At least until these "scientists" run out
of excuses as to why their global warming theories are unable to predict
anything, and can't be otherwise validated.But by then, of course,
these "scientists" will have moved on to some new imminent catastrophe
that can only be addressed by the immediate destruction of capitalism and an
unthinking, head-first dive into redistributive socialism.That's
their scam. Has been for years. Proponents of these tired, discredited
socialist scams, whatever else they may be, are best categorized by the phrase,
Mountanman, you're pursuing your own "open minded study"? Please
explain."I invite you to site one example of any dire
prediction happening caused by man made global warming!"This
took about a minute to find: Amber J. Soja et al., Climate-induced boreal forest
change: Predictions versus current observations, Global and Planetary Change
(2006).Quoting from the research conclusions: "Scientific evidence of the transformation of landscapes due to changes
in climate is mounting throughout the circumboreal zone in Alaska, Canada and
Russia. In this investigation, we reviewed previous predictions of
climate-induced landscape-scale change in an effort to determine whether the
currently warmer conditions have resulted in the predicted effects. We found
that the predicted keystone indicators of initial change demonstrate that
alterations in ecosystems are currently underway. Given the increases in
temperature in boreal regions over the last decades, these modifications of the
landscape are in agreement with modeled predictions. In some instances the
warming and/or the effect of warming is more rapid than predicted, suggesting
potential non-linear rapid change, as opposed to a slow linear progression of
change."There's much, much more science along these lines.
Please look beyond rightwing blogs.
@Doug"Most CO2 is a result of natural causes"That is
true but natural causes are rather balanced leading to very slow rates of change
in CO2. If you look up the Mauna Loa CO2 dataset you'll see a consistently
steady increase in CO2 that's now up to about 380ppm from I think 310ppm half a
decade ago. You have to go back several hundred thousand years for the last time
it even got to 300ppm but in half a century it went from 310 to 380 in a way
that is a clear human signature.
" Global mean temperatures have been dropping steadily since 1999, not
increasing as some predicted."1999 is the coolest year in the
1999-2010 range. I think you meant to say 1998 and it shows a statistical flaw
in your statement. You're cherrypicking. Every year from 2001-2010 is warmer
than all years from 1991-2000 except for 1998 which is statistically tied for
first with 2007 or 2010 depending on dataset (noaa or nasa). 1998 had a very
very strong el nino and el nino years tend to be warmer. You're basically saying
that the earth is cooling even though the 2nd to 11th warmest years are this
past decade and you used a clear outlier year as the base point. Here's what you
should be doing, use a 3yr average or a 5 yr average to smooth the data. Then
you'd see that we're still warming because well... again, when you have 10 of
the 11 warmest years on record the past 10 years... that means we're warming.
2008 was a la nina (those tend to be cooler) and a solar minimum, yet it was
still something like 10th warmest.
Re Blue.. What you have provided is uncollaborated and unverified, not even good
gossip. One person's olympic leap of science and subjective opinion of a very
small area of the world (a part of Russia). One could also use the same
arguement about record snow and cold in the US this winter and extrapolate that
across the entire world to prove there is no global warming! Your example is too
small, too subjective (no real numbers, no real data). Back to your left wing
blogs I guess!
btw the climate has been changing for eons. Why o why do you think that man can
stop the climate "change" in its tracks? Its the audacity of
"Most CO2 is a result of natural causes..."Blue:
"That is incorrect. Scientists can study the nuclei of the carbon atoms in
atmospheric CO2 and trace the source of the carbon. Earth's rapidly climbing
levels of atmospheric CO2 comes from the combustion of fossil fuels. That's an
established scientific fact."Of the 750 gigatons of CO2
"produced" annually, 30 gigatons are man-made. I'll let you do the
percentage calculation on that Blue. On second thought better ask.... By volume, CO2 represents around 5% of all greenhouse gases. Water vapor, over
99% of which is natural, makes up almost all of the remaining 95% of GH gases.
KM, Mountainman, procuradorfiscal et. al.,If you are referring to the
cherry - picking data offered by Steve Goddard re:Global Mean Sea Level (Jason 1
and Jason2 satellite altimeter data) using 2010 as data, without the seasonal
signal or reverse barometer; this has been widely panned as classic selective
skewing.There is again a disconnect between extreme weather events and
climatic trends.The reference noted by Blue is a comprehensive overview, I
offer the work of Rubel, F., and M. Kottek, 2010: Observed and projected climate
shifts 1901-2100 depicted by world maps of the Köppen-Geiger climate
It's true, there is an Ice Age upon us. Over the years, I have noted an overall
cooling trend in conservatives' ability to research and intelligently discuss
any topical issue. It seems the permafrost that has blanketed Texas and the
southern US for so long has leap frogged into Utah. Conservative conspiracy
theories have chilled their ability to reason and analyze the information at
hand. Where's my coat....
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