@ Papa Smurf"bragging rights"BYU's first road
game won't be on Versus, unlike Utah's! Utah leaves the Mountain Worst and it's
first PAC 12 Conference game, which is against USC, was just announced, will be
televised on Versus! This is the same terrible TV channel BYU left the MWC to
get away from! Independence > Doormat of PAC 12 (aka Utah)Go Cougars!
I don't know why it took me this long? But, the headline reminds me of the intro
for the 70's TV show; the 6 million dollar man.
Re: Pavalova BYU, Times like this, I wish you were in the PAC
so we could hang 50 on you. Sincerely,
@Uteanymous,Wrong! BYU does keep things close to the vest but if
there were talks going on the words out of Toms mouth would not have been
"we are not in talks with Nebraska." I'm not saying they wont talk to
Nebraska at some point in the future but if Tom said they aren't in talk with
Nebraska, they aren't in talks with Nebraska. Period. Tom isn't Hill.
Just Gordon, just because they are in the 'pac 12' doesn't mean that every
opponent they play will be alabama, florida, or shoot... who are the other once
were but no longer are? To every San Jose State BYU plays how often will the
Utes be playing WSU, OSU, Washington, ASU and Arizona? When is the last time the
Pac-10 was ranked top to bottom in the top 25? Top 50? top 60? And to add
Colorado stinkaloes to the mix doesn't help the already far mediocre reality
that is the new Pac-12.
BP in the OC is right. This is great news, but seriously? BYU is only just now
adopting position-specific training? Welcome to the 1990s, Cougs.
I agree with JDL. Great post, Papa Smurf UTE, and I agree with you except for
the outcome of the 2011 game. But this is what the rivalry is all about, so I
don't blame you for saying that.Go Cougars!
This is almost laughable. We were doing position specific weight, flexibility
and conditioning training when I was in high school - decades ago. You mean to
say that BYU has been working their quarterbacks out the same as the O-linemen
all these years? No wonder the WR's and DB's have been less athletic. Seriously?
wow. The big time programs have moved far past position training now
-- each player has a specific personalized training plan -- made up for the
specific needs of the player when condisering body composition, strengths,
weaknesses, needs, position, nutritional needs, etc. Most bigger programs track
the calories - even specific kinds of calories that each player - through their
specific individual nutritional plan - has each meal and even snacks. This is
science now, and has been for quite some time. I am shocked that the Y has not
been much further along than this in the past. I will just assume
that Dick Harmon did not get all of his quotes or background to thes story
correct. BYU has to be beyond this already.
Papa Smurf UTE:Great post, really!! I'm a BYU fan
Through and Through and you nailed it except for the projected outcome of the
2011 game. Go Cougars!
Papa Smurf UTE "Lucky plays at the end of games happen. Missed
FG happen."Like TCU's kicker missing two FGs (he only missed 4
all season) to save Utah's 2008 season?
Cougar Irrelevence,If not for a missed doink off the upright, or a
lucky play from Beck to Harline, or a lucky 4th and 18 play, or an OT win, the
UTES would be 10-2. SO what. Things happen. Lucky plays at the end of games
happen. Missed FG happen. Who's to say that Payne would not have missed that FG
if Burton didn't block it. We will never know. The fact is, he did block it. We
are 2 of the last 3, and you are 3 of the last 5, and we are 6 of the last 9. I
can do this all day. You only go as far back as you can to make it look good in
the Y's favor. It doesnt matter. All that matters is the UTES have the bragging
rights for the year, and once Sept 17th comes around, then someone else may have
bragging rights.I'm calling it right now. The UTES will win the Holy
War for 2011. Go UTES!!!
I was glad to hear the team is doing this- just surprised it wasn't already
happening? You mean, the WR's have been working out the same as the lineman all
these years? Wow, come on guys- low hanging fruit. Position-specific workouts
and nutrition plans is genius.
So they say utah has had the program for 15 years, yet BYU in a bad year shut
them out for 3 quarters and only lost by a point? If BYU implements what the
big boys are doing, those one point losses will result in multiple point wins
over utah and many other schools. It's great to see the players
already noticing a difference. They just have to be dedicated and committed to
eating right whereever they go to keep it up, and that is hard for anyone to do.
To the cute aggie fan, it takes more than one player to beat a
team. With no seasoned QB, USU will be lucky to score more than 10 points.
Besides, BYU has shutdown two seasoned running backs in games before (OSU), so
no BYU fan is worried about an injury-plagued RB from the country in Logan.
Here we go again, fans making all this predictions and the ball hasn't even been
snapped! Until the season begins alot can happen: player injuries, discipline
issues, transfers and just plain losing your position. All of these can change
a season. Forty years ago whenever the Y, U or UST lost it was always the same
noise-wait till next year. Well lets wait at least till the season starts to
start bragging.Will the Y be better, yes! Will the U struggle with
the conference, probably! Will UTST be improved, yes! But until they play each
other the predicitions mean---NOTHING!! As for playing cupcakes check out the
schedules of some of the big programs: Texas, OU, Neb., OH St, USC, UCLA,
Washington and the Fl schools, they all have their share of cupcakes, which have
been known to rise up an win one.
"Offensive and defensive linemen are grouped with D-linemen and have their
own trainer."So defensive linemen are grouped with D-linemen.
Um ok, makes sense.I guess we can then assume that these players
will also be grouped together-Split receivers and wide receiversRunning backs and backfieldQBs and players who line up behind center
SAMarshallBYU plays it's cards close to the vest. Just because Tom
wouldn't confirm that BYU is talking to Nebraska doesn't mean that a deal isn't
in the works.
@ Dave S | 10:33 p.m.How did that advantage work out in
the Vegaa Bowl last year against a much inferior mid-major team?! Utah's performance in 2010 Vegaa Bowl = Epic Fail!
@CougFaninTX,Try again, AFTER bleacher report posted that article
(and they aren't that great a source anyway), Tom Holmoe said in an interview
that we are not in talks with Nebraska.
Crowntown...how them lakers doing? USC going bowling anytime soon? One loss to
Ut State in 17 years and that becomes the battle cry. Very creative. Which
battle cry should we scream for the U? Oral Roberts, SW Baptist State...? This
years BYU team will be very different that last years. As long as Heaps stays
healthy, it could be a special year.At least you have Wynn and Chow
to beat your chest about this year....errrr NOT!
@ uteology"So what happen to the days when BYU would thrash the Ute
teams?"Last 5 football seasons: BYU 3, Utah 2. What
games have you been watching? I'm sure you remember Beck to Harline. And of
course Collie is still open. And of course, who can forget "By George, I
think he caught it!" even with bracket coverage!If not for a
lucky 4th quarter, a blown call by red, and a miracle blocked FG last yet, it
would be BYU 4, Utah 1. BYU will win the holy war this year. I'm
calling it right now.Go Cougars!
Well How is that "Superior Intellect" working out for you? No BCS
Games and you lost to Utah State last year. YOu can claim all you want BYU fans
about how much better your gonna be or whatever, but one thing remains. Speed
and athletes will get you to BCS games "Superior Intellect will not.
Wally West | 11:58 a.m. May 30, 2011 ===Geez, Wally.You're going to have to be able to read the post to understand it...
With BYU going Independent in Football like Notre Dame, Army, and Navy someone
wonders why Basketball didn't go there also. Well, ND plays BB in the Big East,
Army and Navy play in the Patriot league. They see the benefits of FB I and
other sports being affiliated with a league. BB suits itself better in a league
due to the automatic berths to the big dance being earned by the winner of the
leagues tourney as well as scheduling teams within easier travel distances to
keep costs down.
"The question i have for BYU fans is this...why is BYU's football team the
only sport in its athletics department going independent and not the rest of the
other sports in its athletics department? have they no respect for their men's
basketball program also to go independent as well?"That is a
fair question. However, that is an answer that fans cannot give. Only the BYU
administration can give a good answer to. My guess is that it has something to
do with money. The other sports can probably not afford to not have conference
affiliation. Just speculating.
re: Veritas Aequitas | 6:27 p.m. May 29, 2011 You are referring to
byu & Utah St in 2010, right?
Mountainman56We post because we are bored. We have no friends. We
are also depressed with Wynn as our QB. Deep down we all want to be like you.
This is an I-stopped-beating-my-wife article; I'd have supposed BYU already was
breaking down the players' preparation by the work they'd have to do.
SAMarshall | 1:16 a.m. May 30, 2011 PALMYRA, NY @CougFaninTX,Do you have a link for the Nebraska HHN? Cause Holmoe just said we are
not in talks with Nebraska. bleacherreport > BYU
Little shocked to hear this as news...Many lower division college programs have
been doing this kind of thing for 10 years. Glad to see BYU doing it...this is
the stuff that gets one more yard, one more catch, one more stop...how many
games hinge on a handfull of plays...how many seasons are different if just one
more win comes your way...Where I'm from no one ever questioned
BYU's "want to"...sometimes the raw materials seemed thin...but
something happens in that program...they are simply viewed as perenial over
achievers on the national stage...apparently ESPN sees value in that...as long
as BYU competes in the next couple years, and they play an exciting brand of
ball...sky is the limit for that program.I like the U, great program
here in the last decade...but honestly, I never heard of the U until I moved to
Utah...I only wish them the best in the PAC 12...being a Notre Dame guy, the
Utes move means I get 2 games a year where I wish hatefull things on Southern
Cal...can't beat that.
@CougFaninTX,Do you have a link for the Nebraska HHN? Cause Holmoe
just said we are not in talks with Nebraska.
FYI to Cougar Nation...In the last 6 games of 2010 Utah played its
WORST football since being embarrassed @UNLV in 2007. However, we only needed 5
minutes of good offense to take care of BYU. So what happen to the days when
BYU would thrash the Ute teams? Your talent has dropped off and ours has risen,
see the NFL draft for proof.@Y Grad / Y DadNo this isn't the
80s Utah doesn't measure it's success on the rivalry game. Only one fan-base
was spouting 3 of 4 while the other is still spouting 2-0. Here's a
great quote:"In the early years, I think BYU felt that they had
outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU would go to
the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They used to come into the Utah game always talking
about who they would be playing in their bowl game.... When we started beating
them, they stopped talking about their bowl game." -- Ron McBride
I am grateful that the U will get an extra 30 million from the PAC. That means
the Utah legislature can CUT the U budget by 30 million and save the tax payers
a few bucks. Keep that PAC money rolling in and save the BYU tax
payers some money. Good job Utes. Go get some more.
"... five of byu's last six games were against terrible teams that we
creamed earlier in the season. Improvement?"And 7 of your first
8 games were cupcakes. So what's your point? Just because you defeated your
cupcakes with more points, that's the basis that BYU is going to do poorly?How about those single digit scores against winning teams? 7-47, 3-28,
3-26 ?2011 was not a great season but seeing what the Cougars
overcame and seeing a very inexperienced team pull out what they did was
inspiring to the Cougar Nation. BYU faithful will take their 7-6
season and little bowl victory in stride compared to a 10-3 season that brought
boatloads of humiliation and doubt for 2012.
For those that have never played the game, which is most Utah fans, Speed might
be the most important skill to have, but it is not! Football instincts is the
most valued. Knowing angles, and the ability to read plays and the ability to
react swiftly is more valued. If an athlete has 'workable speed' , that is
sufficient. BYU players are some of the most cerebral players in college, hence
their success on and off the field. Polomalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a
perfect example intellect over speed. Speed is a valuable, if you
have players that posses it. BYU will never get the athletes with the superior
speed, but they will get the athletes with the superior intellect.
Re: Veracity at 4:41You say nobody has noticed and why hasn't it
worked for the Utes!! May I remind you of two undefeated seasons over the past
seven and two BCS bowl victories!! I'd say it's working pretty darn well
wouldn't you?What else you got?
Sticking to the article and the facts and without engaging in the usual juvenile
back-and-forth between fans:- 10 YEARS ago I purchased a weight
training program from Nebraska designed for football players, that included
nutritional information as well. This is a paraphrase of a statement in that
program: "Nebraska attributes much its success, including national
championships, to its superior weight training. We now feel that we are as far
ahead in nutrition as we used to be in weight training."- I
also found online information from UCLA's nutrition department that calculates
down to the gram how much protein an athlete must consume to either add muscle
or maintain that muscle while losing weight.Bronco's strength
leadership that inspires players to follow him. He is weak in other ways as a
head coach: Keeping his team on the cutting edge is one, strategic decisions
another (why did Anae get blamed for the field goal decision? If Anae made that
call and not Bronco, that is head coach abdication/incompetence), respect for
fans another still.Lacking competence in weight and nutrition
training falls under the athletic director. Other programs at BYU are more
advanced than football.
With BYU starting a new era in Independence, these changes were needed. BYU has
been a consistant top 25 (4 out of the last 5 years) and even in a rebuilding
season last year they finished strong and ended with a winning record. Now with
this new and improved strength and conditioning program in place maybe this will
push the Cougars over the top and help them to win some of those games against
teams they have struggled to beat in the past. At the least, this program should
help cut the number of injuries back and improve conditioning. We will see how
much of a difference it makes with their speed, but it certainly cant hurt. Im
personally excited to see the changes made with the coaching staff and now the
this strength and conditioning program they have in place. We haven't seen this
much change in one offseason in quite a while but it comes at the right time
with BYU going IndependentGo Cougars!
The question i have for BYU fans is this...why is BYU's football team the only
sport in its athletics department going independent and not the rest of the
other sports in its athletics department? have they no respect for their men's
basketball program also to go independent as well? i guess i know the answer to
that. BYU doesn't want their football program to get left out of any kind of
BCS conversation when it comes to Utah and the Pac-12. Why would BYU go
independent before the 2010 football season started last year and leave the rest
of the other sports out? Because when Utah got invited to the Pac-10 and
accepted last year, BYU wasn't happy that Utah got invited and they didn't when
BYU wasn't even part of any conference realignment talk and felt they should
have been because they are BYU. BYU puts its self on a peda-stool they have no
business being on because in they eyes of the BCS, they have proved nothing! No
BCS appearances or BCS victories to show for it. The hype Deseret News gives
them is empty. Go Utes!
What's the difference between high school and college? SPEEDWhat's the
difference between college and pro's? SPEEDWhat's the main weakness in BYU
football? SPEEDIt's a nice improvement for it's obvious weakness
As I said before, if BYU can be successful (the 5th most winningest program in
Bronco's first 5 years as head coach) without this program, then imagine how
good they'll be with this program! I'm excited about this year, and for good
reason.I agree with Koke about the strong start. I was re-watching
the 2009 LV bowl game against OSU. BYU's early 14-7 lead (against a 40 mph
wind), which soon became a 23-7 lead, did so much damage to Oregon State's
morale. It's easier to stay ahead than to catch up (which is a trick the Utes
are very good at, so BYU will need to be extra cautious when playing them).
Thanks for the update on your previous article regarding copying what Air Force
was doing in their program.I am glad to see BYU trying to improve
their program. Unfortunately, this just shows how far behind the times they
really were. I hope this proves helpful in reducing injuries and improve team
Re: priest801It's only an honor code violation if the players are
dead. I never said anything about killing anyone.
Kudos to Bronco for directing change where it can have an impact.Two
other areas for focus:1) Tackling technique. It improved throughout
last season, but it still needs improvement. Too many free yards. One way to
beat speed is to bring runners down before they get moving.2) Slow
out of the gate. The cougars need to start the game by blistering the opposing
team with a quick 14 points. This will befuddle the defense and set the tone
for Heaps to pick them apart and manage the clock. It will also force a catch
up panic for the opposing offense that will enhance our defense. Last year it
was like we hadn't watched game film or done any planning. Some of the games we
lost, we lost just because we started too slow.
gonefishnJust curious, why do you care enough about BYU and my
opinion of how they will do this year to make multiple posts on a BYU article
and even break down the entire schedule and post your opinion about every game?
I don't even know who Utah plays other than BYU and some PAC 12 teams and guess
what, I don't care. I don't read Utah articles and I don't post on them. The
only reason I know as much as I do about the Utes is because guys like you are
constantly on here trying to tell us how much better Utah is than BYU. A little
obsessed are we?
gonefishnYes, Utah will get some table scraps from post season play
which I did not take into consideration in claiming that BYU will make 10x what
Utah will make this year. Honestly though, I'm surprised there isn't more
outrage from Ute fans that you get completely cut out of TV revenue this year.
Long term however, I do have to give props to Larry Scott for getting a lot more
money from the new TV deal than I thought he would. Bottom line is that both
schools will be making a lot more than they ever would have in the MWC.Regarding what you have read about what "most" experts are
predicting for BYU this season, I think that "most" of the experts
you're quoting are Ute fans posting about BYU. "Most" of the experts
in the media say more like 3-4 toss ups including Texas.
RE: Uteology"Right now BYU has the talent level on par with
Washington State as far as NFL talent is concerned. That's why they would most
likely be a doormat in a BCS conference."This is a fairly
accurate statement, but I don't understand your point. BYU recruits the
"talent level" on par with teams like WSU. Rankings across Rivals,
Scout, and ESPN, show that for the last four years BYU's recruiting class has
averaged a national ranking of 48th, while Washington State's rank was 60th, and
the U's rank was 52nd. We know that despite those rankings BYU (and Utah) seem
to perform quite well. At the same time programs like WSU that are
part of BCS conferences, by default, get some pretty decent recruits... and
somehow many of those player drafted into the NFL. Recent doormat teams like
UCLA, Northwestern, Arizona State, and Indiana all have about the same number of
recent NFL draftees as the Cougars. So what? The Cougars have still won 10 or
more games 4 of the last 5. They are a storied and respected program. And now
they have national exposure (thanks ESPN). Go Cougs!
Wally West | 2:49 p.m. May 29, 2011 SLC, UT re: Veritas Aequitas |
1:10 p.m. May 29, 2011 There is no shame in losing to another BCS
Buster. ===So, if you are a BCS Buster, you can drag out
a lousy team and embarass the state, and there is no shame?===Dora/Uteology | 2:53 p.m. May 29, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas Doormat?Sorry, I believe it was in the Las Vegas Bowl (Uteology,
is that a BCS bowl?).26 to 3. Utah did not belong on the same
field.No matter how it is spun, it was shame.So when
Uteology spins his talk about being a BCS doormat, I hope he remembers the last
time the Utes stepped on the football field, they hung the L on the Vegas Bowl
record book, scoring 3 points agains a WAC team.3 points, L, Vegas
Bowl, WAC Conference team.If you need to 'splain it Lucy, chances
are you lost, and lost bad.
Hey now Veracity dave s said he was "pretty sure" and that is almost
as good as 'I think' or 'more than likely'.LOL
"I'm pretty sure the Utes have had the "position and nutrition"
program in place for quite some time. Most of the big boy programs have been
doing this for at least the past decade."That could mean one of
two things:1) If it doens't make much of a difference in BYU's team,
then it obviously is not that much of an advantage. BYU seems to be on the same
level as them without such a program in place.or2) If it
does make a difference, then to think that BYU was on the same level as all
these teams despite BYU being at such a disadvantage by not doing it. Now that
they have started doing it, they will be a scary team to play!Either
way, things look good for BYU. It's like Utah's 1-point luckier-than-can-be
victory over BYU last year; either they admit that BYU was a good team (despite
their record), or they were outplayed by a team they constantly call pathetic
(or whatever words they choose to describe BYU). If Utah was so superior, why
did they need all that luck to beat BYU?
and Bronco just recently figured this out - OUCH.
Cool article. It'll be fun to watch the players to see if they feel the
"target" workouts benefit them. No reason to think they won't. It is funny to see Ute posters bent out of shape over an exercise
program or taking on Harmon. I wonder why they even care? BYU really does get
all the attention.
Mountain man 56With money from the chapionship game and the Utes split
from the bowl games the Utes will make $4 - $7(2 bcs bids like last year). So
when you say BYU will get 10 x the money you are saying they will get $40 - $70
million. Fact is Utah and BYU will end up with around the same money this
year.As far as the 10 win prediction goes, that may happen it may not.
When you say that "most" experts pick 10+ wins, that is not accurate.
From what I have read "most" experts see some combo of the
following:5 scheduled wins: Idaho st, New Mex. St, Idaho, Utah State, SJ
St.6 Toss Ups: @ Ole Miss, Utah, @Ore St, @TCU (Arlington), UCF,
@Hawaii1 scheduled Loss: @TexasTo reach 10 wins you have to win 5 of
6 toss ups and of those toss ups 4 are on the road. 10 + wins can be done but it
is a huge stretch.
I am not sure how serious to take this article. Everyone knows Discus Throwers
(lineman) need different training than Sprinters (RB,WR, Dbacks). Adding 3
additional coaches should help but the article implies all of the football
players were all doing the same routines.There is no reason BYU
should not have the same equiptment/train facility as Peak Performance and the
right people to run it. BYU should be able to take 2 and 3 star
athletes and work on their weaknesses and get pro performance out of them.If Jimmer lacks lateral movement he goes to a pro to fix it. WHY does
not BYU have a Pro with everything needed already on campus. BYU is
20 years behind time on this.IF you want to win you have to get the
max out of the recruits you have. Speeding them up 5% could make a lot of
Wow. Bitter, angry comments rampant from Y fans on this thread. CougfaninTX... five of byu's last six games were against terrible teams that
we creamed earlier in the season. Improvement? Hardly. Those games byu better
have won or they would've been run out of the MWC. You guys almost lost to
Wyoming at home. That's exactly how fans spin the truth to see what
they wanna see. PS- I wouldn't be so quick to write off Utah State
this year. They got a taste of your blood last year and they like it.
BYU is doing everything possible to improve and raise the expectations of the
football program. So far, everything seems professional, productive and
positive. Go Cougs, this fall looks to bring an eagerly anticipated season, by
fans and foes alike. I think the Cougs will stack up well against all their
Dave S | I'm pretty sure the Utes have had the "position and
nutrition" program in place for quite some time. Most of the big boy
programs have been doing this for at least the past decade. Question...Why has no one noticed and why hasn't it worked?
RE: "With all the comments about playing Nebraska, Notre Dame, Penn State
and Va Tech...why is no one mentioning San Jose State, Idaho, Nevada and
LaTech?"Because the former are better teams... Maybe you
didn't know that.Kind of like why nobody bothers mentioning playing,
say... Washington State, Montana State, or yes, even Colorado.For
the record, nobody I know is playing LaTech...
I'm in favor of any program that will reduce injuries (yes, even for cougars).
No matter how much we dislike our rivals, does anyone really want to see someone
get hurt? Injuries will decrease when any athlete is in their best condition.
Speed and strength are an added bonus. Yes, I hope "the team up north"
and others all adopt similar programs.
@JustGordonHuh? You kind of missed the point. If most Y fans know
know that Utah and USU are "real teams", they WOULD be making a big
deal out of playing them.
Of course no ones makes a big deal out of playing Utah and USU, most Y fans know
those are real teams!
@Uteology Be careful with your statements. It could be embarassing
to see your Utes get whipped on September 17 by a team that would be a doormat
in a BCS conference.Did anyone watch the last six games, last year?
It was very obvious that the Utes were on a downward spiral. Sure
they got the W against SDSU and BYU, but only because of a few lucky plays in
both games. They were clearly outplayed by TCU, Notre Dame, BSU, SDSU and BYU's
worst team since Crowton. Coming into this year, the Utes have big question
marks at QB with Wynn's shoulder and nobody to back him up, and at RB with no
experience.BYU on the other hand was on the rise. You could tell
that Heaps was gaining confidence and the offense was clicking the last six
games of the season. The defense started clicking the moment Bronco took back
control. This is a very young team with a lot of upside. This is going to be
an exciting year. Go Cougs!
wookie,If you doubt BYU's 1984 national championship, go to Provo
and look at the trophy. The championships of bandit schools in the Big-10 and
SEC are far more suspect.
UteologyNormally I respect most of your posts, even when I disagree
with them. I do here as well. My first priority is not being a farm team for the
Sunday league. Max Hall enjoyed much more success in college than Steve Young,
and I believe that he was two for three against the U, even a team that 7 times
the NFL talent. You do have scoreboard from last year, but I hope
that a one point victory over a "supposedly mediocre" team on your
home turf has not become Utah's new standard for measuring success. If BYU's
talent level is on a par with Washington State, then you should be very
concerned about your first trip to Pullman. It will be a rude awakening. For the record, I DO expect and hope Utah competes very well in the PAC.
but I also expect our next meeting at RES to be very gratifying for the
Oops, my bad. BYU does have only 12 games this year that will likely be
nationally televised. They could have scheduled a 13th game because they're
playing Hawaii on the road but chose to keep it at 12.
@Magic Happens 801"I am confused here....didn't both the U and
BYU say the PAC 10 was overrated? Now it seems that BYU thinks the U will get
it ahnded to them in the PAC 12? Seriously, where is your stance BYU
fan?"Why the confusion? Can't both of those opinions be
It's gonna be a long summer, isn't it?So let me get this straight:
some of you peeps are mocking the cougars for finally doing what y'all been
doing for ten years? And this most recent year, the game ended up a one point
difference, right down to the last play? I'd think that would have been one of
the two wins talked about in the article. Yeah, stupid that we
haven't been doing this already? Yessir! I expect it would hav e made
difference last year and I definitely expect it to make a difference this year.
@Veritas/BusterFYI we got stomped by #8 Boise, what's you excuse for
#114 Utah State?BYU won't win two more games a season because of the
new nutritional/training program. What they need is better talent, they need
more Steve Young and less Max Hall types. Right now BYU has the talent level on
par with Washington State as far as NFL talent is concerned. That's why they
would most likely be a doormat in a BCS conference.
re: Veritas Aequitas | 1:10 p.m. May 29, 2011 There is no shame in
losing to another BCS Buster. The only shame is beatnig another team
w/ a mediocre record in a 4th rate bowl game to allegedly finsh "above
re: JustGordon | 7:20 a.m. May 29, 2011 BYU selectively spinning to
make themselves look good. How exactly is that news? Seriously, Its
all part of BYU's nutrition plan to fill up on cupcakes? ROFL.As for
Ross Apo's comment about the change in speed & flexibility; When you start
out rocklike, its hard NOT to notice an "improvement"
I'm pretty optimistic about this team.Typically when things are new
and uncomfortable for athletes, it typically winds up making them better.
@KamUteWhere did I say BYU would make $70 mill in this year? What I
said is they would make 10x what Utah makes and since Utah doesn't get any PAC
12 TV revenue this year, that 's probably going to be pretty accurate. As far
as winning 10 games this year, I think that pretty much every prognosticator out
there who isn't blatantly anti-BYU, would agree that they have a strong
likelihood of winning 10+ games this year and yes, all 13 (not 12) games will
likely be on national TV this year, either ESPN or BYUtv. I'm glad you enjoyed
the post and you think I'm Nostradamus but I didn't say anything that hasn't
been stated many times already from many different sources.
KamUteMtn.Man56 says a lot of outlandish things, but you carry about the
same credibility when you criticize him for saying something he did not say. 70
million? Really? That's a pretty random number to come up with.
flintrock | 7:54 a.m. May 29, 2011 Rigby, Id Could you please not
refer to the New Mexico Bowl in an article about BYU.===But it would have been a cheap shot to bring up the Vegas Bowl and talk about
how a MWC - PAC12 team had the lumber laid to them by a WAC team.
When DH starts his health, nutrition and workout articles I know there is still
a long wait for football. The Max Hall getting "beefier" article comes
to mind. More recently, the Mike Hague loosing 40 lbs article. Now this latest
article detailing the latest Richard Simmons exorcise routine.When do
players report for fall camp? Not soon enough.
According to Mtn. Man 56 BYU will earn 70 million this year and win 10 games and
all 12 games on national tv? Sounds like all the mountain air has you
hysterical. Sounds like the games should not be played since the MTN man
nostrodaumus has already told us the outcome. Thanks for the laugh.
@wookieSo do actually think your posts out before you put them on
here? Let's see if this makes any sense." The system that was
created, BCS, was because of this controversial championship"Ok
so an entire new system was created specifically because BYU won the National
Championship. You just told us that is what happened so you must believe it to
be true. But then you write this."your title is
meaningless and this is well known outside of happy valley."So
this "meaningless" title is not only "well known" but is
actually the impetus for the creation of an "entire new system"?Yep sounds "meaningless" and irrelevent to me. LOL
@wookie Your credibility at math just went out the window. Take a look at
your Michigan stats and see if you can figure it out. Meaningless is when you
have split cchampionships which in the 80's and 90's wasn't uncommon. BYU was
concensusly voted National Champs by every poll. Brian Gumball and Barry
Schwitzer were eating sour grapes and are not legitimate polls. Meaningless is
also two wins in the BCS as an also ran having twice been denied what was a
legitimate shot at the title by the same basic group of people who set out to
exclude anybody not considered an elite good old boy program within the old PAC,
the Big 10, the Old Big 8, Notre Dame or what is now the upper crust of the SEC.
Doormats within these AQ conferences like Utah, Arizona and Arizona State are
just that...and the Big East...thier the BCS's inside joke...to try and attempt
to look credible. Busting the BCS is nothing compared to forcing the Good Old
Boys to change their longstanding traditions of crowning a NC in the
Orange...Sugar or Rose Bowls on New Year's day.
To Magic Happens 801: The PAC 10.2 IS overrated AND the U's head will be handed
to them in the PAC this year. Not too difficult to understand, is it?
"BYU is a talented, angry team that's going to send USU home in coffins
this year. "Thats an honor code violation
@Dave SYes they have... it's called the Roll Over and Take the Leftover
Table Scraps Nutritional Program. The positioning part of the program is then
to go sit in the corner and be thankful for the scraps.
The Football games are over 3 months away. What ever will we do? Post on this
board? The king run is just beginning and the red run begins in July. Time to
get some serious fishing in and be prepared for Football in September. Go Cougars
Re: Aggie84You mean like that one time Andrew Rich (a safety, not a
d-lineman or linebacker) stuffed him on fourth and 1 in '09 when he last played?
BYU is a talented, angry team that's going to send USU home in coffins this
year. In fairness to Mr. Turbin, I heard him in an interview talk
about the BYU game being competitive this year, so I expect him to play hard.And to Aggie fans who are talking trash? Win a bowl game and then come
I am confused here....didn't both the U and BYU say the Pac 10 was overrated?
Now it seems that BYU thinks the U will get it ahnded to them in the Pac 12?
Seriously, where is your stance BYU fan.
Pac 10.2 Utah is going to get waxed by the Cougars this year. Can't wait to see
the Utes falter during the first portion of the schedule.
mich coog"you caught BYU in a rebuilding year last
year"But you had the 2 headed monster! lol USU will
give byU fits again this year. Turbin is a beast but I think byU might pull this
one out. Maybe
flatlander:Just like it will help your program when you face
Tennessee at Chattanooga this year, and like it did with your wins over Western
Kentucky and Idaho last year.
Welcome to 15 years ago at Utah. The guy says BYUs linemen have looked pregnant
until now that's priceless ! DH has to be the the most respected and
knowledgable sports guy in the U.S. Reading these comments and prognostications
makes waiting for the season almost bearable. I love you guys !
NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!! YES, BYU stomped Michigan? Michigan was 6-5 at the time,
finished 6-6. Michigan was 5-4 in the Big 10 conference, ranked behind Ohio
State, Illinois, Purdue, Iowa and Wisconsin. The award of the National
Championship is something that I would boast about and hold my head extremely
high. The system that was created, BCS, was because of this controversial
championship. This same system is going to be the one that keeps BYU from EVER
playing in that game again. Please..., your title is meaningless and this is
well known outside of happy valley.
After watching the BYU O-line/D-line get manhandled at Air Force last season,
something needed to change!
We are totally the first team to have different players work out differently.
@flintrockYou're 5th grade level attempt at humor was impressive.
Don't be too depressed however, BYU will have 65,000 fans at LES this fall, with
or without you. They will also make 10x the money that Utah will make this
year, will win 10+ games, have all games on national TV, and likely finish in
the top 20. I don't see any other local teams that can come close to that so
thanks for your concern but you can just sit back and enjoy watching your Utes
on your TV in Rigby, the one time they'll be televised this year - against BYU!
As a Husker fan, welcome to big time football. The strength and nutrition
programs at elite schools have been doing this for years. This will probably
make a big difference in the Idaho game.
@JustGordonIt's pretty obvious that all programs focus on the big
names on their schedules. For example, notice how BYU fans aren't making a big
deal about playing Utah or Utah St.?
Nice article. Change has not always been present in BYU football. I see signs
now that the program is moving toward becoming better and better.
It is good to hear, but what I was thinking most while reading the story was,
" They weren't already doing this? My kids high school team is doing
this"! Good to hear but should not have taken so long. Coach Omer
maybe a little to comfortable and content and Bronco had to rattle his cage
What took so long to get around to specialized training (and diet)?Did the influx of new coaches bring this about from their experiences
elsewhere?Glad to see them all on the right page now. Nice to see
the different colleges at BYU talking to each other. Left hand, right hand,
connecting.Hope they don't forget their pickle juice in
September.This could be an exciting year for BYU football.
Re: Blue SaintI'm pretty sure the Utes have had the "position
and nutrition" program in place for quite some time. Most of the big boy
programs have been doing this for at least the past decade.
Change is the only true constant. To be competitive in life you need to sift
through what looks like it will work better and then be smart enough to apply
its principles. The O Lineman with smaller bellies will mean quicker feet, that
translates into fewer soft tissue injuries, blown out ACL's, torn cartilage etc.
perhaps this slows the rate of injuries and the speeds up duration of recovery
time from injuries.We will see it is a long season and it will be a
year of being seen as the " Up start interloper " or " The team
that can kill our win loss record " all of which translates into a no holds
bared attack. If you do not see them in your conference every year
well lets pull out all the stops. I am not saying that teams will hit late and
often, but then again it is football.
Good one Aggie84, I can't control my laughter. Yes, you caught BYU in a
rebuilding year last year, and a Defensive Coordinator that finally got the boot
after serving up a big fat zero last fall. Well now, prepare your aggies for the
worst stomping they'll receive in years. Our Cougar LB's are licking their chops
for Mr. Turbin. Consider it lucky for him, to break the 30 yard barrier. BYU
starters will enjoy the 2nd half of the game from the bench, as the 2nd and 3rd
stringers do their best not to run up the score too far.Same thing
for Utah on Sept. 17th...that game will be a laugher as well. Yes Hedgie, Howie,
and Chris B, enjoy your picnic w/ Montana State to build up you egos, once USC
and BYU are done with ya'll, it'll be curtains on reaching .500 or a bowl game
on your maiden voyage into the PAC10.2...as for them Aggies, enyoy your future
in the WAC playing Texas State, and the other weak leftovers stuck in the WAC.
Pretty sad when you could'nt even get that MWC invitation...
Could you please not refer to the New Mexico Bowl in an article about BYU. For
crying out loud its like playing Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, Utah
State and San Jose State at home in a regular season game next year. So
demeaning and not very National Championship like. I am running out to buy my
season tickets right now so I don't miss one home game this year. One more thing
I am really really ticked about Utah receiving an additional 10 million a year
on top of the 21 million. That makes 31 million total. That's just not fair. I
am so depressed right now. Why has everything gone so terribly wrong for us.
@SAMarshallA 3 game series with Nebraska is already confirmed. Each team
will get a home game and the third game will be half way between the two in
Denver. The date has not been confirmed, but speculation is the first meeting
will be in 2013.@Aggie84Aggies are actually my second favorite
team and I cheer for them in all games except one. You're going to see the 2011
Cougars will be unlike the team you met up with last year. Unfortunately for
the Aggies, last year's results will not repeat. I hope Turbin has a good year,
but the D Line and Linebackers will be one of our strengths and Turbin doesn't
have a chance to "bowl them over."Everything the Cougs are
doing is setting them up for a great season (at least 10-2), but as young as
they are 2012 is going to be even better. Go Cougs!
Interesting column Dick. I enjoy reading about the things the program is doing
to help increase their competitivness. This fall we will find out if it makes a
difference. Keep letting us know so we can be aware and know what to watch for.
Bronco is a good coach and sees the need for more core strength. There are
reasons why some of the smaller teams dominated larger teams. Boise is a great
example. The worked on being quicker to the ball, lateral movement, balance,
getting up, etc. The post about squats is true. Upper body strength is important
in football but not as critical as legs and back. I saw over 20 of the Utes
working out at Lifetime fitness two weeks ago and noticed that they spent most
of their time on core strength and legs.
Re Aggie84.. With all due respect, there is no way BYU will lose to the Aggies
again this year! Sorry, it just ain't going to happen!
The Y's strength and conditioning program under Omer is about 10 years behind
the times.. Sorry but implementing these changes THIS year makes that program
(S+C) look pretty bad.
With all the comments about playing Nebraska, Notre Dame, Penn State and Va
Tech...why is no one mentioning San Jose State, Idaho, Nevada and LaTech?
I knew we would have an aggie chime in and try to turn things to how usu will
beat BYU. Boy, give them their one win in a couple of decades and they go crazy.
BYU will win this year and will do it so that usu fans will keep out of articles
about BYU for another two decades.....oh except for Aggie84 who never seems to
The Y is going to have to be stronger and faster to catch Turbin this year. He's
going to use those defensive linemen as bowling pins. The Y is going to have to
do a lot of squats and pushups to get up after Turbin puts them on the ground.
This should correct the "it's just a game," or "why is sports a
big deal, I'd rather sit home with Oprah and read my BOM", mindsets. ITS
WAR BABY, we versus them, with the entire Universities reputation on the line,
and THE FUNDS TO FUEL THE ENTIRE SPORTS PROGRAM in reach. If the choice is
1-winning Nobel prizes or 2-National Championships there is no question.DH-Happy you gave us an update, recall the day the entire department, all its
Finns, and Omer, were decertified for improper injury care and lack of training.
Thanks Bronco, you see a need, we'll fund it
"Breaking down the groups and focusing conditioning efforts is something
BYU has needed for a long time and was underscored by a rash of hamstring pulls
during two-days in August in recent years."If they want to cut
down on injuries they should cut out the eco challenge. That thing tears
players down so that an injury is just down the road a few weeks.
Bane, when exactly do you think we'll be playing Nebraska? While I hope we get
some good games (and it looks like we are, even if they are away/neutral),
Nebraska isn't going to be one any time soon.
Independence, ESPN, Elite athletes, Top notch coaches, and now Nutritional and
positional specializing. Can't wait for the results! Football cannot start soon
enough.Look for the team up north to start their own "Nutrition
and Position" program.
Hmmmmm I see Dick is still foaming!!!
and.... once again, cue the trolls in 3... 2... 1....I, for one,
and glad they are taking a new approach to conditioning beyond strength.
Injuries will ruin a season faster than anything else, especially at key
positions. Even with all this depth this coming season, I like the attitude of
doing it better and doing it smarter than in years past. Should breed success.
As for accounting for 2 more wins... we'll already win them all, so
let's bank the two "more" wins for 2013 (raincheck them for when we
play Nebraska and Notre Dame). Or maybe VATech or Penn State. Glorious to be
My father used to say "Bench pressing is for picking yourself up off the
ground- after someone who squats just knocked you down." In all
seriousness, most people's ideas of a good workout are completely wrong- at
least for those who are athletes. Most of these result in slow reaction times,
when- especially in football- explosiveness is the key.
Is anyone surprised that Howard S. is the first one to post on a BYU article?NOPE. That speaks volumes about him, doesn't it?
"OK, since it's spring, I'll bite."I don't think it has to
be spring for Dick to bite or dispense the latest BYU spin.