with these 6 guys working out - smells like the jazz are working on a trade -
for picks in the late first round
You never know what will happen on draft day, teams make trades and swap picks
and maybe some of these players will end up being players the Jazz would
consider taking if they make trades etc that cause them to have late 1st round
picks or early 2nd round picks.Tyler weighs 250 or more now and and
Johnson is an interesting possibility, long athletic, and shoots pretty good.
Mack could sneak into the 1st round.
These players are late first round to second round material...beyond the Jazz's
two current draft picks so I'm sure a trade is coming up or they are taking
account of all possibilities.
Mack is someone Hayward knows well. He does have PG experience with the
pick-and-roll and he has played a lot of 2-guard at Butler. He has good size,
maybe a little bigger than D-Will, but he is probably looking at a career as a
back-up NBA point, although he needs to work on developing his point guard
skills. Apparently a good all-around player who we might see at sometime next
year on a trial contract. Would love to see him try and score against Gordon.
According to Jonathan Givony (Draft Express), the Jazz are looking to trade up
or trade down. He said they are looking at a lot of different scenarios. So my
bet is that we are not going to have the 3rd and 12th picks on draft day. If we are focused on getting Knight, which most act like we are, he will
still be available at the 5th or 6th spot so we could probably trade down and
still get him.
Better to trade up from 12 for someone and keep the #3 pick. I think Knight will
be gone by pick #4, anyway.
Trading down draft spots gains nothing, unless a great current NBA player is
picked up via such a trade. Too weak of a draft to get anything lasting from it
with lower picks.Trading up very well could get the Jazz the two
players they covet the most, whoever they turn out to be. But, if they really
don't covet two, or even one, then trading down for a current NBA top player
would make sense.Getting Williams 3rd and Jimmer 12th would be ideal
for what's available in this weak draft (and where they're drafting), but that
is unlikely to happen.I suspect Jazz fans are going to be both
elated and disappointed, but not at the same time--different fans will have
those two reactions. Kind of like with drafting Hayward last year.Guess how HE turned out!
Selby and Tyler are highly underrated players...we should pick both of them up.
Why do we want Knight when we have Harris? I don't get why teams don't like
Harris, the man was an All-Star.
Cleveland's 2nd round pick is where most of these players are gathered
around.Maybe they're trading pick 3 plus something for Irving and that 2nd
Perhaps the 3rd to the Wizards for their 6th and 18th? Jazz could pick up
Knight, Leonard, or Vassely with the 6th, Jimmer with the 12th, and one of
today's work out bunch with the 18th. Many teams are high on Kanter and are
looking to trade up to get him. Utah can pick up a solid player in the 4 to 7
range with a small trade down a couple of spots.
Why dont we trade the #3 and maybe a guy like Fes to Dallas for Tyson Chandler.
Jason Kidd is getting up there in the years and I am sure they would like a
Brandon Knight. The Jazz are very young and need a little more experienceWe need
What??... The jazz don't wor on Sunday!
The trade with the Wizards is an option. Kanter wants to go there and Washington
needs a pf to play alongside Mcgee. We trade down from 3 get the
6th and the 18th plus our 12th. Draft Jimmer with the 6th. Singleton with the
12th. And Marshon Brooks with the 18th. We get our pg, our defensive SF (very
raw offensively) and another 2 guard who has the skills to come in and challenge
right away for a starting spot.We win the daft in this scenario. And
we would be loaded with weapons at every position
@Johnson72, they don't have home games on Sunday because they can't sell out
stadiums. Its a financial decision.
Outside of Watson, whom I hope the Jazz re-sign, the Jazz currently don't have a
"pure" PG--one that can run the team effectively and distribute (get
assists). However, Watson isn't a starting PG season-long. Excellent backup PG,
though. Which is why the Jazz should retain him.In Harris, and
similarly for some of the highly-touted PGs in this year's draft, you basically
have Iverson-types. Not good for running a team.In the draft, it's
debatable which PGs are future "pure" NBA PGs. Like Stockton, Nash,
Kidd, etc.My money is on Jimmer, because he's shown he CAN make
great passes and involve his teammates (if you watched enough of his games over
his BYU career, you'd have seen that).It just didn't appear that way
in Jimmer's senior year because of a lack of scoring options with his teammates.
With the Jazz, Jimmer's PG skills would flourish. Especially with pick-an-rolls
with Big Al and penetrate-and-pass-outs with Hayward.One of the main
keys that all NBA superstars have is their ability to put constant pressure on
defenses. Jimmer does that!
JFFR & Johnson72,It's funny how the "no-Sunday" policy
can exist outside of BYU's sports.Interesting because so much is
made of AQ conferences maybe not wanting BYU because of that, yet here we have
the Utah Jazz in the NBA abiding by it.Money's the reason for the
Jazz, of course, but still, interesting.Makes me wonder how thin a
Ute's crowd will be for home games in basketball (football, too?) on Sundays in
Pac-12 play.Bet they haven't thought about THAT very much as yet!"Oh, we're not BYU, but please don't schedule any league home games
for us on Sundays."
In a draft that is expected to be not very deep, you draft the best players
available---you don't trade your top pick to get two lower picks. That's bad
business. The Jazz need top talent, not mediocrity.If the Jazz can
pull this off: Derrick Williams at the 3, Jimmer at the 12, and a soild big in
the second round, they will get an "A" for sure.Here's
hoping that will happen.
MiP: I don't think we have a second round pick this year. I agree we need
to keep the #3 pick, I'm hopeing it will be Kanter or Williams but it may end up
being Knight. KOC and the FO are doing their homework, so I'll trust they will
figure out who would be the best. If it's Knight it will be because they think
he has the most upside, right now I haven't heard enough to make me think he's
the guy but we'll see.Somehow I wish we could get Biyombo, he plays with
such energy and passion and controls the paint, we could use that.
If the Jazz are going to make some moves and end up with a player after the 15th
pick, we need Marshon Brooks! Brooks was the nations 2nd leading
scorer behind Jimmer. No joke, his game looks just like Koby Bryant's game. When
I watch his high lights, I cant beleive he is not getting more national
attention. Many experts feel like he will be the steal of the 2011 draft. Every
year there are players that fall, Landry fields last year is a good example.This kid Brooks has a 7'1 wing span, he has great range,athleticism and
he would help fill the need at shooting guard.The fact that the Jazz
are looking at these players make me think that KOC has something big planned.
Maybe trade Harris? Rumor has it that Russel Westbrook might get
moved?? I would send both first round picks and Harris for Westbrook.
The T-Wolves don't need Williams because they have the 3 and 4 covered with
Kevin Love and Michael Beasley. The Wolves desperately need a center. I hope I
smell a trade here involving the Jazz's #3 and #12 for the Timberwolves' #2 and
#20. That would allow the Jazz to grab Williams, who they could plug right in
at SF and who would be their starter at that position for the next decade. The
T-Wolves would then take Kanter at #3.
JazzNation: I too really like M. Brooks, he could be the steal of the draft,
he's proven he can be a scorer and he's athletic, fast, good hops, 7'1 wingspan,
he does look alot like Koby when you watch him, if the Jazz take Knight at 3,
I'd look seriously at Brooks at 12. I also like Singleton at 12, he's a long,
athletic 3, that can really play D. My preference is Kanter and Jimmer but I
like Brooks and Singleton too. Biyombo is a player I would love to see us get
somehow, he is so active, aggressive, tough, he's what we need in the middle.
Who ever ends up with him will get a good deal, IMO.
Chad Ford is saying there is a rumor that Clev. is trying to get the 1st and 2nd
picks in a 3 team trade. Det. would trade Hamilton & #8 to Clev. players to
be named, Clev. would use the trade exception obtained in James trade. Clev.
would then trade #4 and #8 to Minn. for #2. Clev. would then pick Irving and
OOps, Detroit is now denying that 3 way trade will happen.
Marshon Brooks is Morris Almond part 2
I would hope the Jazz would trade to get the 2nd pick. They have more to offer
thann Cleveland does, at least as far as trading the next highest draft pick. I
think Williams is a natural small forward that would fit in with Utah (team and
city) quite well. Trading down is not going to get them impact players that
they need. Doesnt the Jazz have a center playing in Europe that was getting
good reviews last year? Cant he buy out his own contract and come to Utah this
Anything will be an upgrade over Price,Watson and Bell. Too bad Bell is still on
the roster with a guaranteed contract, because he just doesnt have it anymore. I
doubt Watson will be back, so you would think the highest priorty is resigning
CJ because of need and draft more back court help. The Jazz have
assets to make a trade for a star, keep that in mind when you are speculating on
what this team is going to do next.If Memo can come back and be a
decent player again, that would give us a powerful front court.
trading up on a weak draft would be good...the pressure of drafting a certain
player would be gone...plus...we might find the gem of the draft....i think its
Singleton...or Jeremy Tyler...
Johnson72: They do not regularly schedule home games on Sunday, because many
Jazz fans are also LDS and are trying to follow their church's counsel and
teachings. The exception is during the playoffs, because they do not have an
option then. The NBA has been fair to the Jazz to set the regular season
schedule so as few, if any, games are played on Sunday at Energy Solutions
Center. But many Jazz employees, coaches, etc. do work on Sunday when
necessary, especially during draft time and to travel to other areas to check
out various possible future players.
I'm surprised there is so much support in these postings for trading down. To be
honest when I read this article I felt frustrated that KOC doesn't want or isn't
able to bring in higher rated prospects. I understand there is always that idea
that a team can get a steal at a later pick but all these years when the Jazz
had the later picks in the draft why did Eric Maynor turn out to be the only
decent one. O'Conner does not draft well in the 15-30 range if experience is any
indicator. He needs to stick with the picks he has, trade up, or trade for some
experienced NBA players. Remember we traded D-Wil and gave up any chance we had
to get to the playoffs to get draft picks with high potential. Not late first
Something smells? Why are the Jazz wasting time with these 6 players? Why is
there any need to trade either of the two picks? Just keep them and use them.
I have the feeling that the #3 pick is going to someone else. Kevin knows his
ability to draft a good player at the #3 pick is questionable. He is now trying
to save face by trading it away. He is not a risk taker.
Sounds like the Jazz are just getting their feet wet in analyzing this year's
draft talent. They might be looking for a sleeper in the bunch.They'll be getting more players in over the next few weeks.If the
Jazz don't re-sign Watson, they'll definitely get a PG with one of their picks,
unless there's something out there better than Watson in the free agent market,
or a trade.They can't go into next year with only Harris +
Watson/whoever. They need three PGs on the roster.
Miles, what makes you think the Jazz are doing anything in the way of trades,
nothing has been said, they always bring in players that are 2nd round or late
1st , you never know what proposals will come from other teams and you need to
be prepared. This kind of things happens every year. Of this group, there are
several that are interesting, Tyler is somewhat like Favors, Morris is a 6'10 PF
who can shoot from outside, Johnson is a very athletic 4, who can shoot, needs
weight, he's moving up the boards, Mack is intriguing as a possible point guard,
strong, athletic, scorer/shooter. You never know where you may find a diamond in
We will probably have at least 4 or 5 new players on this team next year, either
through draft, trade, or free agency. I think a lot is going to
happen between now and the start of training camp, the new CBA deal might allow
the Jazz to pull off deals that normally they would shy away from, knowing that
they might be able to keep a player long term and not have to worry about them
bolting as a free agent.Example: Having the ability to use a
"franchise tag", and be able to keep players in Utah and not lose them
to free agency will play a huge factor for the Jazz and other small market
teams. I know I dont want to see another Bosh, James fiasco, both
Toronto and Cleveland tried everything they could to keep their star players.
When money is not enough to keep a player on a team that drafted them or traded
the house to get a player, they should be able to keep that player with a
"FT". If a franchise tag of some sort is not implemented,
it will put all small market teams in a very tough place.
Captain: If I recall, the Jazz have not second round picks this year. So why
would you bring in second round players? Makes no sense unless you are looking
to make some moves before the draft. The #3 pick is being traded
Your right we don't have a second round pick but trades which could include #12
or players could bring picks in the late 1st or early 2nd. Plus they try to get
to know players in case they want to make trades at a later date. It's all part
of them doing their homework.
I have no problem with the Jazz doing their homework. They are going to draft
Williams, Kantor on Knight with the 3 if they keep it. They aleady have workouts
with them or know what they need to know. The 12 pick is more open
but Morris was one name associated with the Jazz at 12.There are a
lot of teams with late first round picks for sale in a weak draft. The Jazz MIGHT be able to move Bell to MN for the 20th pick or in a 3 way as
MN wants to dump Flynn and the Jazz do not need him. They may also be able to
move CJ if they want to. Or they could be looking at moving Millsap IF they have
decided on Kantor. However, Millsap is worth a lot more than a lotto
pick in a weak draft. Many players who might be good for the Jazz
will get taken by teams where they do not fit and will be available next year
for cheap after being dumped.Let the whole thing play out. The Jazz
might also trade this year's 12 for a lotto pick next year.
The Jazz need Williams. I noted that when the leagues MVP (guard) ran into
LeBron, the guard became mortal in a hurry. In fact the MVP award should have
been LeBron's based upon how Cleveland who won their division last year did
without LeBron this season.Williams has the most upside of any at or
close to the top 3 picks. The Jazz had their allstar PG and it did not win them
any awards. They need talented bigs with Haris at PG and maybe a Price
replacement at #12.Trades are always available but the Jazz need to
find homes for Bell and CJ, Okur is probably untradeable in his current state.
Maybe the Jazz believe that Irving, Williams and Kanter will either not be
available or not work out (such as Kanter's knees or his attitude towards the
Jazz). In this case, do the Jazz really want an off ball combo
guard, which is what Knight, Walker and Jimmer seem to be? I don't think so.
In fact, I am not sure if any of these are better than DHarris.If
the above holds true, then trade down. There are some intriguing prospects in
Singleton, Brooks, Hamilton, Biyombo and Jeremy Tyler. Also, I've
read that they like the kid from Cleveland St. Maybe they are looking for
either a pure pg, or maybe someone to bring in during Fall camp. At
this point, I have no clue, but it is getting interesting. By the
way, for those thinking Tomic is coming over soon- he is not. Period, at least
for a few more years, if ever.
Listening to KOC tonight of ch.5 he said they will draft the best player
available, we knew that, but he said they need size and that best player isn't
the best player now, but who will be the best player in 3 yrs. That changes
things a little. That could lend to drafting young players like Kanter or
Knight. Trib. reported that after interviewing and working out Kanter, KOC
and staff will fly to Europe and possibly look at Vesely and Biyombo.
I think we ought to package Tomic and either move up or get extra picks.
Another think KOC said was they may draft 2 small or 2 bigs, depends on BPA, if
that is the case this trip to Europe may be to see Biyombo, Donatas, Vesely,
Jonas V. and if things fall right they could take Kanter and one of them.
I am not sure there is any need to move up. MN is not going to get Rubio to come
over. They may draft Knight. They may trade down but there is no guarantee that
Knight or Kantor (the 2 players that could help them) will be there at 5 or
below. They might also target Valanciunas but CLE may grad him at 4. I do not see the Jazz trading down. Knight, Williams, Kantor are to good for
the Jazz to pass up. IF they got a great Vet then they might trade down. There also is not incentive to trade down with the 12 as there will be
good options at 12. What if Biyombo slips to 12? Or Vesley. The board is very
fluid. Of the 6, the Jazz are not interested in the guards but are
just working bigs who they may invite to camp (according to slc dunk). It would not surprise me if the Jazz take Knight at 3 if MN does not take him.
IMO. If the Jazz do not pulloff some miraculous trade involving picks, Okur/Bell
in a trade. I would say keep the picks and go for Williams/Kantor with the 3.
Fredette/ Singleton with the 12th.