Wow, haven't got past the 1st page, and so many comments to comment about:Independent - I'll admit to a similar experience for my first two years
at the Y. But I solved it by moving into a much-less affluent ward on the south
side of campus.SanAntonioreader - In my day, they used to say a
California Y student was somebody who spent 5 years complaining about BYU and
the rest of their life trying to get back. I think most of us outsiders were
the opposite though, like you described. Happy to have been there, happy to be
away from there. Still, I had great colleges at home, but I went to the Y for
the same reason - find a wife! Dated girls from about 30 different states and
at least 3 different countries. Wider selection and better chance of finding
someone who could tolerate me.BillM75 and others - sorry, just don't
see it the same way. Fun read, some specifics pointed at Jimmer that were
non-descript and some tremendous insights into the LDS professional life. I bet
Jimmer was not offended.
As I have gone on the Jazz site and reportedly have said, it is about winning
world titles, not drafting a one dimensional shooter who will not make a living
making 25 and 30 footers vs NBA defenses. ALso 6 foot 2. The Jazz if they had
another 1st round pick fine or 2nd round. This draft is critical to pick up
some size and length and a point for the next 10 years. Knight would be the
guy. Jan or Byombo at #12. Again like most in the state, they care about
marketing, selling some jerseys and being fun and competitive. These things do
not help produce the only thing that matters WORLD TITLES. Especially if you
want to keep up with the Thunder and Grizzlies of the world
i dont think...draft position plays well on this draft...since...who knows...in
3-5 years...those unknown players drafted might turn out to be all-stars...and
probably 1 of them could defy the odds and become a superstar...all these guys
have its potential...its what they do with it and how the organization would
develop them is the key...
@WhatsInItForMeActually if you're thinking in the next 3
years...some experts say that Brandon Knight would eventually be better than
Kyrie Irving...so i think that says a lot...
If I'm coach Corbin I am praying the Jazz don't draft Jimmer. The last thing he
needs is added pressure about playing somebody who likely wont be very good. The
12th pick in a relatively weak draft likely wont be much of a contributor in
their first couple of seasons regardless of who it is.The Jazz don't
need a dog and pony show anyways. Winning brings in more money and success than
cheap tricks.The Jazz need to pick the best players available.
If what a player can become in 3 years is being considered by O'Connor as one of
his draft criteria, Williams and Jimmer fit that bill quite nicely.None of the others have that much going for them, including Enes K, Irving, or
Knight.I don't see anyone else outside of Jimmer and Williams as
having that much UPSIDE.
I agree with IMHO--liked a lot of what this article had to say, but this young
man deserves his privacy and the assumption that he is a guy of character and
won't automatically turn in to an idiot simply because temptation is there. This
smacked of "he might become like ONE OF THEM." If an athlete has been
raised with an expectation of entitlement and being allowed to play by a
different set of rules, he will probably succumb to the pressures of a star
quality life. We don't know that Mr. Fredette was raised that way and we might
have very good reason to believe that he wasn't. In either case, gossiping about
what he might and might not do is sort of a waste of space. I like most of your
articles, Vai. But this one was a clinker. And hey---who knows? Maybe he'll go
out with his non Mormon NBA buddies and meet some nice people. It's been known
Its going to be Kanter and Jimmer...and probably a surprise draft day trade that
would give us either a late and/oror a mid first round pick...grabbing Jeremy
Tyler and Singleton...
They are also working out Byombo in case he slips to 12. It will be interesting.
I like Jimmer but I do not want the Jazz wasting resources moving up. Singlton,
Marshon Brooks or maybe Klay Thompson are going to be okay players and would not
be a waste at 12. The Jazz may go Knight at 3 and Morris at 12. I
am not thrilled but Markieff Morris claims to be a SF and they are looking at
him. The BC PG would also be good bu you could probably move down to
@Bugoffi agree with you with jimmer...people should see him as a
basketball player...not because he played for BYU...the kid can flat out
score...and he could dribble through double teams...and get out of triple
teams...i think he is heavily underrated because most of the people think he is
a slow white guy or he shoots a lot...or he turn the ball over a lot of
times...all of them are fixable...he will have targets to pass to here...so i'd
rather move up to 10...and draft him early...i really think Jimmer could be
special for the Jazz...
I am not to worried about Jimmer handling the temptation of NBA life. He grew up
in a part member family in NY. He understands the mission field. I
hope the Jazz draft him purely because I think he will become a very good PG
after the order of DWill. I do not think he is worth a 3 pick but he certainly
would not hurt the Jazz at 12. I thought of one important thing this
weekend. According to the agility and speed tests, Kantor can play SF just as
easily as Williams. Their tests are basically identical but Kantor is bigger. He
could play 3 positions. Think of a heavy duty version of Luol Deng. If Williams can play SF Kanter can play it. Kantor may be a better shooter
from distance. It does not matter if the Jazz take Williams or
Kantor. IF they do not take Knight then they should take Jimmer. If they do
take Knight the good bigs are gone at 12 so they might take Jimmer anyway. If you have a chance to get a good big you have to move. They can get a
PG next year if necessary.
If Vai can't understand how single LDS guys can play professional sports than
maybe he should ask Steve Young how he did it.
As a long-married LDS male and BYU Grad who has lived in over a dozen states, I
have to back Vai on this. Utah contains a veritable smorgasboard of single young
women looking to do things (marriage and family)the right way (I have four
daughters of my own, which qualifies me to comment on this a bit). It is not
always easy or simple, but your options are numerous here. Not nearly as much
outside the state. The dynamics are there outside Utah, they just become more
limited. Just a fact that revolves around absolute numbers. Besides, if he and
his cute girlfriend are serious, they will inevitably let her parents know what
is going to happen next anyway!
Based on the responses to this article, I didn't read the same opinion piece
some of you read. What I heard was Vai's opinion on being an LDS pro athlete and
being married versus being an LDS pro Athlete and not being married. I also read
that Vai opinion is that being a LDS pro athlete and married is in the athlete's
best interest as he will have a wife to go home to, and not be tempted to
"hang out" wherever. I read that Vai hoped Jimmer would get drafted by
the Jazz so he would stay in Utah, marry his girlfriend so she could finish
college at BYU--probably her lifelong dream.What I didn't hear was
advice for the Jazz. I didn't hear Vai wax on and on about the Jazz needs. I
didn't hear Vai, who lives in Philly, slam LDS people outside of Utah or say the
Saints in Utah are more righteous than those outside of Utah. I didn't read
that Vai thought the Jazz should draft Jimmer so Jimmer could get married. I read a well-thought opinion from one who has been there done that
Looks like the subject of Vai's blog is just as polarizing as Jimmer himself.P.S., Cool Hand Luke, you spelled Ephraim incorrectly, if it's the Bible
name you are using. Typo? Otherwise, I agree with your post. Good points!
Umm, I would live it up if I were Jimmer. He's got it all on a plate before
him. Enjoy it while it lasts. Most will never have the chance. I'm not
necessarily saying go where all go and do what all do, but he has plenty of time
to marry and settle down. See the world. Play the game. Travel around. And
definitely avoid getting drafted by the Jazz. Blaze your own trail my friend.
@ taxedtodeath yeah and his name is Jimmer The Jazz know exactly what their
getting: lights out shooting, killer cross over, creates his own shot, goes to
the cup and can score, on top of that 90% free throws. And has done this
against many larger defender.He beat both K Walker, and B, Knight at the combine
in 2 of 3 categories. One of the surprises, lane agility speed, better than
both of them. v leap 33" 4" shy of B Knight. He shot 17 of 20 from
NBA 3 land ...and .. Everything else will be a bonus. Mark my words. He wont
be there at 12
Vai,I'm surprised you would want Jimmer to languish out in the
obscure Mountain West. A young man of his basketball and missionary talents is
sorely needed almost ANYWHERE else. You of all people should know this - your
talents and abilities to relate to non LDS would have gone nowhere in SLC. Look
at all the good you have done for the Church in Philly. I really wish the DNews
writers and even the fans would wake up and realize that good people like Jimmer
are needed out in the REAL MISSION FIELD.
Good lord there are alot of obtuse people on these boards. Vai in no way said
the Jazz should draft Jimmer to help him marry. He said he hoped the Jazz would
draft Jimmer so that he could be in a place where that might be accomplished
more easily. He wasn't giving the Jazz advice, he wasn't giving
Jimmer advice, he was simply saying he thought it would be a good situation for
Jimmer for those reasons.For the life of me I cann't understand why
it is so hard for people to actually comprehend the things other people say and
write.Quit being ridiculous.
I'm convinced the Jazz will either get Kanter or Williams because there aren't
any true elite point guards like a D-Rose or D-Will in this draft. I don't see
Brandon Knight worth taking when you have the chance to get a big man. Jimmer
would be great to roll the dice with the 12th pick. Part of me wants to see him
play for the Knicks though.
I agree with Uncle Rico. All Vai was trying to do was to explain things from his
point of view. If someone has heartburn over that, then they get heartburn over
small things. Vai is pretty live and let live, though he does have an opinion,
and thats okay.
Wow, a lot of readers baggage sewn into their comments. I think all Vai was
trying to do was give a perspective that 99.9% of us will never have based on
being a top NBA pick, Mormonism and it's relevance specifically to Jimmer.
I usually love Vai's column but this one is extremely campy and as a Jazz fan
the article does nothing to convince me that the Jazz would benefit from
drafting Burdette, it only convinces me that Burdette might throw his life away
by guaranteeing he gets married. I understand that this is a Mormon-based paper
and that Vai always does a masterful job of incorporating Mormonism and sports,
but this one I could have done without reading. I will look forward to the next
edition of Vai's View.
I graduated from Ricks and BYU without getting married and then promptly moved
to the Midwest to begin professional school. I got married a month before I
graduated and now have 2 great kids and a great marriage. I understand where
Vai is coming from. However, my experience was that you can find the same
temptations anywhere, be it in Provo or in a large city with a relatively small
LDS population. The difference is that in Provo, temptations often came from
other members of the church, which in some ways made it even more dangerous.
Being in the minority seemed to give me more resolve to keep myself clean.
So Vai thinks that the Jazz should draft Jimmer at #12 so Jimmer can stay in
Utah and either marry his girlfriend or find another "worthy"
companion? Vai, every NBA fan outside the bubble is laughing out loud. If
Jimmer can't handle the temptations of women throwing themselves at him, that's
not the Jazz's problem. I don't think Jimmer will go crazy after he leaves BYU;
however, based the lame comments on this lame opinion piece have convinced me
that staying there too long would certainly drive anyone nuts. Everyone has to
take off the training wheels and face the world at some point, the Jazz need to
draft the best player available at 12, so they can help the team. Who knows,
maybe there is an unknown like John Stockton waiting at 12.
Being a BYU grad and not marring until I left BYU. I agree with Val. In the
singles ward you do have 80% of the women going nafter 20% of the guys. You hear
all the time it is the guys fault they are not married. It is more the young
womens fault because they are very picky and done give a lot of guys a chance.
The young women need to open their eyes a realize their are a lot of worthy
young men available that can taken them to the temple.
If it's true that Jimmer isn't marrying his girlfriend because her parents want
her to graduate, I think that is more noteworthy than telling kids to rush into
marriage. As a Californian, I have to say there are many eligible saints
everywhere. D.C., CA, and Arizona, for instance, have huge populations of
educated and eligible saints. The Wasatch Front is great, but sheesh...this
article was silly to me. I think you need to put a little more faith in
Jimmer's ability to make good choices.
Most here are making the assumption that Jimmer is looking for a wife or wants
to get married. could be wrong assumption ,lots of guys are happy being single
If they love each other, then let them get married. What's wrong with
transferring to any decent school in any NBA city to finish her degree. Could
be the parents need a reality check as well. It's love that matters after all.
Sure the degree is important but maybe it pales in comparison when hubby is an
instant millionaire. I'd lay odds that Mom and Dad are scared of the daughter
being married to the Jimmer.
Where ever Jimmer goes, so goes my loyality.
I suspect that we will find out that Jimmer is a little better at defense than
he is given credit for. The Jazz just plain need the shot. Let me ask a
question. Can you name any pure shooters in the NBA today. Koby maybe Dallas
Dirk. Who else has that pure shot? Give me names. Larry Bird was. A pure shooter
is probably the most rare of all skills in the NBA. When you add the range of
Jimmer to that ability to shoot, that is something to think about. Lets say the
Jazz take Jimmer at 12. He has to learn team defense. Lets say the Jazz are
getting beat by about 25 with 8 minutes in the game. Jimmer has been playing
about 5 to 8 minutes a game. He comes in the game and pops a 25 footer. What
happens? The crowd goes wild. He just changed the game and the other teams knows
it. Spacing is now a huge issue. Offensive play for the Jazz just took a
If I were the Jazz I would look seriously at trading down for Jimmer instead of
taking him at number 12. Why not trade the 3rd pick with the Charlotte Bobcats
for the 8th and 18th picks and take Jimmer at #18 instead; he'll likely be
there. NBA.com's David Aldridge has him slipping to #30 which is rediculous but
I see him going 15 to 20 depending on workouts. In this senerio the Jazz
get #8 Bismack Biyombo, Jonas Valanciunas, Kawhi Leonard, Jan
Vesley#12 Donatas Motiejunas, Marcus Morris, Alec Burks, Marcus Morris,
Chris Singleton #18 Jimmer Fredette, Klay Thompson, Marshon BrooksOr#3 Enes Kanter#15-20 Jimmer Fredette and future 1st round
pick for 12th pick
First, some of you people out there are kinda scary! Moving on, I'm just
guessing, but I imagine Vai understands well the considerations an NBA team will
make in using a lottery pick, and recognizes that helping a prospect get married
isn't high on its list, so I don't think that part of his message really is his
message. I also think Vai has enough sense to know that Jimmer isn't interested
in his advice on who and where to date and when to marry. So, ask yourselves
what is his message and to whom is he trying to reach with it? Then, I'd
apppreciate it if you let your message from Vai be yours, and mine be mine,
especially you "scary" folk who like to tell others how to think.
forget about all the reglious & other things - The Jazz should draft the
best player avaiable @ 12 - if it's Jimmer then so be it & good luck to him
where ever he lands.
San Antonio you seem to have missed the main point of Vai's article. Your
situation was not that of a newly drafted pro star. Like myself, no one is
going to pick you out of a crowd after a Spurs game. Jimmer the star is an
entirely different situation. He will likely even have his own female following
(groupie types). No sense getting ticked at Vai's viewpoint.
The Jazz in the past have notoriously avoided BYU players----yes there were the
exceptions---Fred Roberts for a half season or so; things can change I know
and Jimmer would fill some seats--------yet I see The Jimmer going to Charlotte
or New York.
If things don't work out between Jimmer and his girlfriend, maybe he'll meet
someone else outside of church, and maybe she'll convert?And as
previously mentioned being married is hardly a guarantee of faithfulness, and
regardless of where Jimmer winds up he's going to be spending a lot of time out
on the road.I give Vai credit for always speaking his mind, and I
understand the point he was trying to clumsily make, but he crossed a couple
lines here. I doubt Jimmer or those close to him would be happy if they read
this.Jimmer is far too smart to ever say this, but I highly doubt he
wants to play in this fishbowl. The Knicks are far closer to his family, right?
And their style of play is far more suited to his skills, assuming Amare &
Melo would ever pass him the ball.
I hope Utah picks Jimmer!!! I can't wait to see Ty Lawson show Jimmer the tricks
it takes to play in the NBA as he spins circles around Jimmer!!
Busines reasons is not a valid excuses to throw away the 12th pick in the draft
to satisfy a clueless fanbase. Karl Malone was selected at 13 in a draft where
they believed only Patrick Ewing would amount to anything. If the Jazz were
drafting at 29 maybe they would take the risk but not at 12.
If KOC shared this guys view he would be on the unemployment line by next week.
Vai,Sorry, but I think you're a little Utah-centric. As someone who left
Utah at age 17 and has been back a few times, I continue to be concerned about
the LDS culture that exists there. Being in the "mission field" has
made our family much stronger with values centered on the Gospel and not on the
culture in Utah - we're now serving our second senior mission (the first in
Samoa by the way). What is needed is for more members to leave Utah and have an
effect on the world (as Jimmer would do playing in some other location) rather
than cloistering together in a culture which is not always reflective of the
values of the Church. Jimmer should have someone who will go with him to the
ends of the earth, leave home and parents behind, and who will be a shining
example for all.
I think Vai makes some good points. Nevertheless, the "one" is just
that--one. The "one" could be anywhere, whether she is among
thousands of fellow singles or part of literally a handful of eligible, worthy
LDS singles. Perhaps Vai is alluding to the fact that being rich, famous, and
single hurts Jimmer's prospects because the rich and famous are much more
relevant than they should be once leaving college, and more specifically, the
happy hunting ground.
Vai has experiences in this realm that 99.9% of us do not. However,
I feel this article is inappropriate and out of line. This opinion should
have/could have been delivered through a private channel, not in a public
setting.The insinuation that this young man and other
"worthy" young LDS men most likely cannot find a "worthy"
eternal companion outside of Utah is an affront to him, his girlfriend, their
families, and young men and women of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints. Maybe this blog should be put on hold until football season
begins and there is something to write about.
Though I agree with your concerns with Jimmer's future happiness, I gotta point
out a few things. First of all, Jimmer grew up as the only Mormon kid at his
high school. He knows a thing or two about not giving in to peer pressure.
Second of all, yes, statistically you have better odds of finding an LDS spouse
in Utah; however, if you don't live in Utah, it's not like you are socially
doomed. Whatever happens will happen, and I think that the Lord will provide
ways for you to meet good people wherever you go because he wants us to be
happy. Sorry to say, but I think validating whether Jimmer should be drafted to
the Jazz based on LDS singles statistics isn't a very valid argument. Though
yes, I do want the Jazz to draft Jimmer so I can buy tickets and watch him play
I seriously thought you were trying to be funny, how can you be serious about
this?? Very poor journalism even for an opinion peace. You make it sound like
all NBA players that aren't Mormon are sleazy. You also make it sound like
marriage is a guaranteed way to prevent him from taking place in these
activities. I really cant believe some people think this way. If you have to use
marriage as a way to stay worthy I think you have serious problems and you
should fix them before you get married. This whole article portrays the closed
minded mentality that gives Mormons a bad name.
What does this article have to do about Jimmer getting picked by the Jazz? It
seems a little silly to think he should be picked by the Jazz just because he is
single and wants to stay close to his girlfriend. Jimmer is an adult and can
remain worthy regardless where he goes to play. I think Vai needs to let the
Jazz brass decide who is best for their team and let such drivel as this article
displays be laid to rest.
sanantonioreader: Via was speaking specifically from an athletes point of view.
Sure he did mention singles who are in other professions, but his point of view
comes as an athlete. Have you ever been in a situation where you got
off an airplane or left the locker room of your game only to be greeted by clads
of gorgeous and forward women ready to sleep with you? Have you ever been
completely surrounded by teammates and friends constantly inviting you to go
party or hang out at the strip clubs with them? My bet is no! Add
the fact that these athletes no longer have the constant guidance of their
parents, more money than they know what to do with and not as many single adult
LDS members or friends around them, and you can start to see how one could be
more prone to temptation. Plus, with fewer single LDS ladies to choose from,
finding a worthy LDS spouse becomes much more difficult. It's a numbers game. He
never said it was impossible, he just stated its much more challenging and being
in UT especially until he begins a family would be better for him.
I don't think the Jazz should draft him because it would help with his love
life. Not their problem.
BYU must feel real foolish right now.
For Jimmer's sake, I hope he is not drafted by the Jazz. The Ute fans would be
merciless. It would be a no-win situation for him. I hope he goes to Phoenix
or Indiana were he'll get a far shot with the fans and where he'll get to jack
it up with freedom. The Jazz's steady, conservative set plays do not bode well
for a guy like Jimmer.I love Vai, but he's wrong on this one.
The Jazz should pick Jimmer....if he is still there in the second round.I love Jimmer and I love his shooting ability but his height, horrible
vertical leap (see nba combine test results), and general lack of athleticism
will limit his role in the nba to that of niche scorer. You should not be
wasting a # 12 pick on a niche player.I think he will have a good
career but I don't believe he is a starter on a quality team. The Jazz should
be trying to draft a potential starter at 12 and Jimmer is too short at shooting
guard and is likely not athletic/fast enough to be a starting PG in the NBA.Best of luck though Jimmer.
I agree with you Vai. The older I get the more wisdom I see in this point of
view. Too many lives are lost and/or wasted before a mate is found. I know way,
way too many. With a talent like Jimmer, the sky is the limit with what he could
do with a good woman by his side.
Vai, among the many things I enjoy about your blogs is the open honesty you
display in the things you write about. Most people might THINK these things,
especially about spiritual matters, but few people are brave enough to say them
out loud, let alone in a published article. Thanks for that! I agree with the
concerns you have expressed. A number of years ago my kids were friends with a
young man they had taught the gospel to, and one of my sons baptized him. This
took place in high school, in another state. He was a very smart young man, and
applied to several top colleges, including M.I.T., and also BYU. He never knew,
but I always prayed he would be accepted by BYU, and not MIT. That is what
happened, and while there he decided to go on a mission. He'd met a young lady
who wrote to him during his mission, and they married in the temple when he
returned. That might have happened if he'd gone elsewhere, but the likelihood
would have been less.Thanks for your courage and honesty, Vai. Keep
As a long time Jazz season ticket holder I hope that Jimmer doesn't end up in a
Utah uniform. Jimmer is a terrific guy and is a great shooter but he doesn't
address the Jazz needs.Utah was beaten badly over and over this past
year due to the lack of defense being played. Unfortunately, Jimmer's strength
isn't defense so he would only add to the problem.Phoenix, Boston
and Indiana would all be nice fits for Jimmer.Alec Burks or Klay
Thompson should be around for our 12th pick. Each are 6'6" and would be
solid at the two-guard position. Enes Kanter or Brandon Knight will be a good
choice with the 3rd pick.I wish Jimmer the best, he's been terrific
for the Y and for our state.
I hope Phoenix takes Jimmer....He could use a tan!
Vai - Mahalo for the good spirit in your words. I love your posts
and look forward to them at the end of every week. I have a good friend in my
ward that also reads your blog. We often talk about the insights you've given us
through the things you've shared and how those thoughts improve us and help us
to be better men. Thank you for adding light!There's truth in what
you're saying...at least in the U.S. When I was 23 I moved back east for a great
job opportunity. Even though I loved the singles wards in Manhattan and DC,
there's no question that my opportunities to find someone to marry were better
in areas with more LDS girls. I eventually found my wife in Utah. However, I
know that in the mission field (I served in Europe) that the members often only
have a few choices of who they can potentially marry if they want to marry in
the Church. Every single one of them has found someone in the Church to
marry...there's still hope for Jimmer even if the Jazz don't draft him. :)
There are plenty of great, single LDS gals outside UT. Add to that his eastern
roots anyway and maybe he's set no matter where he lives.I'm betting
celtics take him anyway. They've been too conspicuously quiet about it.
This is an excellent article. My husband and I have often discussed that fact
that we hope Jimmer gets married before he leaves. Having dated a former pro
athlete, I know that the situation can get pretty bad out there. Women throw
themselves at the guys as they come out of the locker room. One of my
girlsfriends is married to a guy who played pro sports. They were both from
Utah County and he played at BYU. When they got in the pros they went into
shock. They said there was really only one other guy on the team that they felt
they could even associate with socially at all. BYU is a special
place where those kinds of temptations are much less than out there in the cold
world. I hope Jimmer and his girlfriend can put it together and soon.
Understand the audience this piece is targeted to and all, but still think it's
a weird angle to take...
OH MY Kind of "jumped the shark" on this one Vai. Slow day
Vai, I'm sure you're eagerly awaiting Jimmer's op-ed on the state of YOUR
marriage. It's stuff like this that if anything will make Jimmer want to leave
the Utah fishbowl, and remember, he grew up in upstate New York, not Utah.Seriously, you don't think his parents and bishop haven't told him all
this many times? And of course, there could NEVER be any gold-diggers in Utah's
singles wards. I'm sure Jimmer would be treated just like a regular guy
there.Most of the athletes you listed met their wives outside of
Utah. Steve Young didn't marry until he was almost 40 and his career nearly
over. Sure, most BYU athletes marry in college. Most aren't high-profile
superstars either.Poorly executed article in general, and uncalled
for specifically for meddling in someone else's private life.
Wow! At first I thought you were joking. Do you have any idea how ridiculous
this article sounds to the millions of Latter-day Saints living outside of Utah?
Believe it or not, it is possible to live righteously, find eternal partners,
and have a great life outside the State. The suggestion that a member of the
Church is more likely to be moral, happy, and successful if he/she resides along
the Wasatch Front is kind of silly to those of us who prefer to live where there
is more diversity. Take it from someone who left Utah after graduating from BYU
and never looked back. I have no regrets or bitterness about my time in Utah,
but I'm now enjoying living and raising a family elsewhere.
Vai makes some good points but I would like to say that if he is not ready or
hasn't found the right person than it would be better for him to stay single.
The last thing he needs is to force the issue and make a big time mistake. Oh
and Vai...GO CELTICS!
@ IMHO "General advice in an article, great. Advice to a specific person?
It is inappropriate and dare I say, cowardly, to gossip about another's life,
much less in print. If you really care, man up and make a call, Vai."----------------I respectfully disagree. I don't think this is
inappropriate at all. Via wasn't gossiping, he was taking an interesting LDS
view on well publicized situation. I didn't read once where he said
"Jimmer, you need to...". He was speaking in general terms about an
individual's situation to offer a perspective that can be applicable to others.
Hopefully many single college guys will read this and gain an appreciation for
their current situation and not squander the opportunities they have.I know I was blessed by being married when I moved to Texas with my first job
after completing my degree.
In my humble opinion, that was not a humble opinion, In My Humble Opinion. Vai
is pure gold.
Oops. I meant to say that it is easier to not be in a student ward where 80% are
going after the same 20%, and people care more about money and appearances than
the substance of your character. You know what I mean.
General advice in an article, great. Advice to a specific person? It is
inappropriate and dare I say, cowardly, to gossip about another's life, much
less in print. If you really care, man up and make a call, Vai. Love lots of your columns. This one is out of line.
I found it much harder to date and find a spouse at Ricks College and big
student wards than by other means. Many of us found it much easier to be a YSA
outside of that whole scene, where money and appearances don't matter so much as
the substance of your character, and where 80% of the ward is going after 20% of
the ward, and the rest may as well not exist. Jimmer's a jock though, so he
should be fine.
While some of us want the Jimmer in Utah for selfish reasons, Vai is looking at
his long term happiness. Classic Vai.
Thanks Vai for speaking so truthfully about what lies ahead for Jimmer. In this
world of political correctness, I for one appreciate the "plain speak"
you have laid out. As I read your article, I was taken back to the
college world I attended in the early 80s and the temptations that were
"ever" present (and I was just a regular kid). I can't imagine what
these athletes must go through as they try to defend themselves both on and off
the playing surface.I too will selfishly hope that Jimmer is
selected by the Jazz so that I can take my sons to watch him play. I can think
of no finer role model than Mr. Fredette and would be proud to personally shake
his hand and tell him that. For all the years of joy he has brought to my boys
and I as we have watched him play, I at least owe him that.
Thanks for the great insight! It's refreshing to get a true LDS take on the
professional sports world.
@Errand of Angels add #3Remember Dominique Wilkins
refused to come to Jazz and Boozer loosers.Jimmer will definitely
come and stay.
Amen, Mel. I laughed out loud at this, but I couldn't agree more. Frankly, I
don't care where he plays (not tied to the Jazz all that much), but I really
REALLY hope he doesn't get caught up in the whirlwind of stardom and end up a
bachelor. Here's hoping they can figure out how to make it work not matter
Vai sounds just like a YSA Ward Bishop. Don't get me wrong, I think Jimmer needs
to hear this and I completely agree, but I sure didn't expect someone to say in
print. Way to go.
That was great Vai! I loved it!
From what I've heard he wants to marry his girlfriend but her parents don't want
her to leave BYU without her degree. Seems a little crazy to me, but obviously
I'm not involved in the decision. Everyone I know who knows them expects them to
get married and they have shopped for rings before. It's kind of creepy that I
know all this but hey it's Provo.Thanks for another good article
Vai, interesting take on the draft. You're probably the only analyst in America
who is concerned about Jimmer's singleness. When I first started the article I
thought you were joking but you bring up some good points. This issue has been
a hot topic in our home as we wonder if we should encourage our kids to head out
west for college so they will have more dating opportunities. While I don't
exactly agree with you about the importance of being in Utah for dating
purposes, you do make some good points. Keep those blog posts coming and go
You know when I first thought of this as an option for the Jazz, I hated it, but
the more I think about it, I kinda think the Jazz MUST draft him. A few
athletic reasons and lots of business ones.1) Athletic - he might
be good....might. Imagine the "type one" error if the Jazz didn't
draft him and he was the next Larry Bird. The Jazz have always needed a
shooter, and Jimmer can definitely do that. 2) Business - he will
sell tickets for the Jazz for at least a few seasons. This won't only happen at
home, but also aways. Mormons will likely want to see him at away games that
are close to their homes. Jimmer if he gets good will likely stay with
the Jazz, which gives them a competitive advantage in resigning him. If the
Jazz don't draft him, the organization will further alienate more of their fan
base. Jimmer is "popular", heck he is Sportscenter boy, and you
should build off of that. Right now, Jimmer is the #1 sports fixture in the
state of Utah, build off of it. It will be easier than selling anything else.