@Utahcountyute:"How does 4th in the WCC right behind Santa
Clara sound? Get ready for life after Jimmer."4th place means
we will beat some of the WCC teams on our schedule, something you couldn't quite
pull off this year. And we're getting ready for life after Jimmer, you're
getting ready for life after...well half the team.
@mormon uteI agree with that and yes those are the players I meant,
not a ute fan. But it has to be a bit troubling that so many ute fans simply
want to cut off all Mormon recruits. I wonder why the change of heart for so
many of them? For the last year we have been told by utah fans that utah would
now get the top mormon recruits in all sports because these recruits can now be
in Utah with a huge population of Mormons, have a top notch institute program at
the school to get the religious experience they desire, find Mormons of the
opposite sex to date and marry, be able to go on missions with the blessing of
the coaching staffs and still retain their scholarships, and on top of all that
be able to play in the pac10. But now we are hearing they aren't
needed, for many of you they aren't even wanted, and they are at best "role
players" and not stars anyway despite the fact those players I listed
clearly were "stars".That sounds like preemptive excuse
making but we have a place for them in Provo.
Duckhunter,Hilarious fauxpas on the names there. I believe you
meant to say Josh Grant and Alex Jensen. In any case while I agree some of
those players were the all stars of their teams, some were more role players or
supporting cast. While the Utes have been able to use good and even great LDS
players to win games, they haven't needed as many as BYU does. While I don't
see the Utes writing off any LDS players, our success isn't as dependent on
getting as many of them as BYU needs.
I hope Hill is patient. I don't think Utes record will be as good next year as
it was last year. To call it rebuilding is an understatement.
Ducky,Josh Smith? Alex Smith? lolPlease don't
"pontificate" when you don't know a thing about Ute basketball and you
can't keep the many great Utes players straight.How does 4th in the
WCC right behind Santa Clara sound? Get ready for life after Jimmer.
@kamuteWell I piled on twice. Does that mean it will come back 4
@Mormon UteSometimes they have been and sometimes they haven't been.
Vranes and Chambers were certainly stars of their tems as was Pace Mannion, Josh
Smith, Jeff Johnson, Britton Johnson, Alex Smith and pretty much all of the old
timers from the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's. I'm not saying they can't
get by without any LDS kids but considering the last few years of poor
performance has been mostly brought to you without the help of any LDS kids it
would indicate they need to get a certain percentage of them to be
successful.But I'm fine with them simply writing those kids off and
leaving them all to BYU. Since that is basicly what has been going on the last
few years with none of the LDS kids wanting to go there, and the results of the
two programs because of it, I'll take that.
Pile on now. It will come back two fold.
hahaha yeah right, bottome of the barrell even in the lowly pac 10.2
Duckhunter,While it is true Utah needs to be competitive enough to
get some of the LDS athletes, if you look at the history of the program seldom
have the LDS athletes been the all stars of Utah basketball. The LDS athletes
at Utah are usually role players and tough scrappy players who provide solid
support for the all stars. I have no doubt Coach K will get enough of them to
Duckhunter,This was written by Jon Wilner, Mercury News, on
5-23-2011:"If, in fact, the conference (Big 10)decides a year
or two (or three) from now to increase the value of a scholarship to include the
full cost of attendance, it would force a massive change in the FBS landscape a
greater change, perhaps, than the formation of superconferences.Scholarships cover tuition, student fees, room and board but not day-to-day
living expenses like transportation, laundry, clothing, etc.The full
cost of attendance is estimated to be $2,000 $5,000 more (per student per year)
than the value of a scholarship."If the Big 10 does this,
according to Wilner the PAC 12 will follow suit or the PAC 12 may get this
started on its own.
@DutchmanAll D1 scholarships are the same. Tuiton, books, living
expenses. The pac10 can't give any of their athletes any more than any other
school can give theirs. It is mandated by the ncaa. Kids on full ride
scholarships all get the exact same amount with the only difference being that
some schools charge more for tuition than others. But that is of no consequence
to the kid who gets the scholarship because his tuition is simply paid for and
how much it amounts to is meaningless.If the pac10 tried to give
kids more money for "living expenses" than is allowed by the ncaa then
they would all be in the exact same predicament as USC.
"utah must sell itself"Well said, Duckhunter, and that
goes for every D-1 school including BYU. The thing is it is getting very easy
for Utah to sell itself as a member of a premier conference with $21-30 million
in annual revenue flowing in and the possibility of the PAC 12 schools offering
full ride scholarships including living expenses. And once Utah AG Mark
Shurtleff finishes killing off the BCS then things will go back to the way they
were with still no college football playoff and the PAC 12 will again be in full
control of the Rose Bowl. So it won't be too difficult to sell kids on Utah
even if they are LDS and had "dreams" of BYU. By the way, half of the
Utah football team is LDS and/or returned missionaries now.
@skippyWe're talking about kids that are actual college level
athletes here. Not your average joe blow in his driveway. I do agree
with you about krystkowiak however. I think he has handled things as well as can
be expected to this point. He has one heck of a challenge in front of him
though. Between managing utah fans unrealistic expectations and competing with
an odd assortment of leftover recruits he will need to be very, very good.
To those that think kids don't dream of playing basketball at Utah, try getting
out of Utah valley and drive around Salt Lake. You might be surprised to see
kids of all ages playing basketball in their front yards wearing their Utah
basketball jerseys. As for Coach Larry, he will be fine. He definetly has
the attitude. He refuses to let anyones critism bother him. Perhaps as fans we
can be like Larry.
They will be able to stand tall again. Coach K is impressive and I am positive
he will be able to bring the Utes back. No need to jump ship because of a few
Stand Tall AgainLaughable
Can they stand tall again? Define stand tall. My projection is no NCAA bids
for next 3 years. Then count on 2 bids per 10 years on a going forward basis
unless they expand the dance. This team will not return to the heights seen,
but can still be competitive (which they are not currently).
Veritas Aequitas,Great comment. I agree with you 100%. And I
believe that the kids who agreed to stay with the program will benefit greatly
from this coaching staff.
More than the specific players this year, I really like the new coaching staff
at the U.I think in 4-5 years, the Utes will be back as strong as
ever.If the Jazz make wise draft picks, we may have three options
for local basketball entertainment in the Salt Lake - Provo area (sorry, not
driving to Logan) for those long, cold winter nights.
The question shouldn't be "can they?". Sure they "can". The
question should be 'will they?' and that is very much in doubt. I've read utah
fans on here compare their situation to the one BYU faced in the late 90's. BYU
was able to bounce back pretty quickly from that so utah should be able to do
the same. The problem with that is that BYU had some real advantages utah does
not have.While it is common on here for utah fans to pontificate on
BYU's recruiting disadvantages, and in some cases they have a point as BYU does
have a limited number of kids they can, or will, recruit, those supposed
disadvantages are also advantages in other ways.For one most LDS
kids grow up wanting to play for BYU. Because of that BYU was able to quickly
sign a good portion of the top LDS basketball talent and jump back into
competitiveness quickly. utah does not have that. As I have said before no one,
or very few, kids grow up dreaming about playing for utah. utah must sell
itself. BYU does not have to do that with a big segment of kids.
The fact is outside of UCLA historically, the PAC-12 is about the same
competitively as the MWC. Perhaps, a couple of the programs in the middle of
the league that are slightly better and than the MWC middle, and there will not
be a TCU in the PAC-12 with absolutely not basketball tradition. The Utah teams
of the nineties could compete in the league for the conference title every year.
Lets hope they can get back to that level again, but it will not be easy even
with their fine tradition. Fortunately, the PAC-12 is not real stront this
Can the Utes stand tall again? No.Not with the new
recruiting philosophy. Unfortunately, Coach K is choking off the missionary
pipeline to Utah - no more Britton Johnsons or Alex Jensens.
Josh Sharp won't be playing for Utah. He's been granted his release. Neal Monson
is going on a mission and has been told by Utah there won't be a scholarship
when he returns. The same with Josh Fuller, who's also going on a mission, and
will be at Weber State when he comes back.
Best of luck to the Utes!
What happened to Neal Monson i thought he was on the roster
If I didn't know better I would have thought that this question was posed in the
Provo Daily Herald or the Daily Universe. The Utes have a proud tradition, the
best in the state of Utah. They will be be back and soon!
Yes it can....but then who cares?