While we're talking about LDS Buildings, anybody know how the Oklahoma City
Temple fared in the tornadoes of last night? (Tues. May 24) From the
map, one of the really big ones (from El Reno to Piedmont) couldn't have been
much more than a mile away. There must be dirt and debris on the Temple and
In UT, (where I enjoyed living for 18 years), a meetinghouse may be just another
building. If it is destroyed, there is another a block or two away that will
supply the need. It is something different here. It is the center of our LDS
community, and a place through which we endeavor to strengthen the larger
communities in which we reside. It is a place where we try to build strong
relationships with those of our own faith and those who are not, and try to
overcome deeply held animosities and prejudices. It is a place of refuge and
peace, of learning and love. We want to know that place is still there for our
brothers and sisters in Joplin, LDS and otherwise. In UT, some
people get cranky because there are so many Mormons, and some LDS people become
complacent for the same reason. Here, we feel a deep connection with others of
our faith regardless of where they live in part because there a so few of us.
Because of this, the loss of a building that causes pain to the people in Joplin
also causes pain in us.
Another headline from the day this article was posted: Layton pastor gathering
help for hometown Joplin victims. There have also been several other articles
about the Joplin tornado that have nothing to do with the LDS church. But I
have not come here to add to the contention.I am from Rogers,
Arkansas, an hour south of Joplin. I am grateful for the Deseret News coverage.
I would not have known about the meetinghouse without it; it was not reported on
here. Why is knowing about the meetinghouse important? Perhaps a
perspective from here would help. I'll have to add it in another comment.
This is my stake center. I live in the Joplin Stake. There was a singles ward
meeting going on when the tornado hit and thank goodness they all made it out
alive. on FB several local members on FB Joplin tornado pages were asking if
there stake house was still standing. As soon as branch members in my branch
posted the pictures that you are seeing...I posted them there...so I could
"confirm" that the building was a total loss.If you were
living in this nightmare that Joplin is living in you would understand that
confirmation is very important. Knowing what truly has happened and not a rumor
means a lot.I very much appreciate the Deseret News putting an
article with the pictures of the building. Not only because it makes us here in
the Joplin Stake feel loved and prayed for but it's a good reminder of what
Tornado's can do. Maybe for those that are bickering or slamming the DN you
could grasp that and move on.
By the way, did anyone notice that this article was in the LDS News Section?
Hmmmm, maybe if it is a section about the LDS church, they have all the right in
the world to write about LDS people. Just as any church owned and published
newspaper would write about people from their churches.
WOW, Lets take offense that people care about those who they call brother and
sister every week. Lets take offense that a newspaper that is owned by their
religion posts stories about their brothers and sisters. As for other
religions, all but one church building was destroyed in Joplin, and bless that
Pastors heart, he is providing help to all that he can and if the LDS building
had survived, they would do likewise. There are 117 people that
died, many they have not been able to identify. I do not know about other
religions, but the LDS church does have a system in place to account for every
home and every member and this gets reported back to the local leaders. I live
in Missouri, and I do care about my brothers and sisters in the Gospel and I
care about those that are not LDS, but I am glad to get an account for church
buildings, members and missionaries that are away from home. Whatever news does
happen, be it relief or sadness, then my heart is still 100% focused on the
whole town and all the people, as it was before.
Actually, it isn't a "mere building". To me, it's almost like my
home...familiar, safe, I see people I love there. (Actually, I DO spend a lot
of time there with my calling!) I appreciated this article.I do not
believe it takes anything away from the people in Joplin who are suffering, it
just adds another dimension.Seems to me we should be directing our
thoughts and prayers toward helping them instead of complaining about a
In every place we've lived in this country, (with the exception of Utah) LDS
church buildings are referred to as "the Chapel" or the "Church
Building". "Meetinghouse" is a holdover from the pioneer days and
one of those Utah cultural euphemisms. While I am thrilled that no one was
injured or killed inside the demolished stake center, I could care less IF the
building was demolished or not. It can always be rebuilt. I would prefer to see
a story based on what the church members are doing there to assist in relieving
the suffering and what WE can do to assist, rather than a puff piece about a
I'm sure there is more than One church helping all the people in Joplin.. Army
FYI=Editors write headlines and space is premium. I suspect they will discuss
it following those comments about the title.Tornado's, Hurricane's,
Earthquake's, Tsunami's and other disasters happen...if the conditions that
cause them didn't exist, Life on this planet would also not exist.However Charity, Christ like love, is how they are dealt with. We as God's
Children must bring that about.
-ArmyofOne-Relax! At no point are we suggesting that we don't care
for ALL those affected by this tragedy. We care for all victims, regardless of
who they are. We are simply interested to know how members of the Church faired
simply because we share a commonality with them. But we certainly care for all
those affected. When the LDS church delivers aid to the region it will be for
ALL victims, not just reserved for Church members. I applaud the
DesNews for this article. I was anxious to know the details.
I see another article on DN about 2nd Punch Storm may be looming. Oh, I hope
that doesn't happen which no one would want to see again. Anyway, hope for more
survival to find.
l used to live in the Joplin stake. we were at a stake meeting on a thursday
night. we heard the warnings that a tornator were near us. one of the old time
members was quite upset and wanted all of us to get inside the heating closet. l
was worried what happened. thank you DN for the news.
Desnews.com is my best source for the latest information relevant to the
well-being of fellow Latter Day Saints. Where else would this information
become available so soon after?
@jemod, Mr. Taylor probably doesn't write his own headlines, but he did recently
write an article which someone titled "LDS or Mormon? It depends"
which explains why the Deseret News, which is owned by the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, regularly uses the word "Mormon" and even
the phrase "Mormon church". Look it up and give it a read. Maybe you
won't agree with DN's reasons for using the word "Mormon", but at
least you will understand what those reasons are, and that they are sanctioned
by the church's Public Affairs director.
I live very close to Joplin. We got there a couple of times every month. As a
member of the church in this area it does seem strange that everyone is arguing
about the name of the church. For those who have asked the church that had the
large cross standing was a Catholic Church. In addition there were many other
church building damaged or destroyed. There are eight Assembly of God buildings
in Joplin and four of them were leveled. I live in the Springfield Stake which
is immediately east of Joplin. Of course you are concerned first about those
you hold something in common with (family, friends, acquaintances) I think
church members would fold into that affiliation. Of course all of our hearts
are turned to everyone in Joplin who lose family, friends or homes. The
devastation is unbelievable.
@ armyI suspect that maybe some Lutherans did lose their life in
this trajedy. And for that I feel a sense of sadness for them, their families
and their community.I can tell you that the safety of LDS
missionaries weighs heavily on the minds of people in Utah because not only
their family knows and is close to them, but many persons are that are members
of their ward and stake as well as friends from seminary classes in high school,
etc so it isn't just a few missionaries that are affected by a local event such
as this. If being concerned about them is a problem, then I'm
sorry, but I wish to know about them as well.
I have some family from the area, one of whom reported that the members found a
pass-along card with Christ's photo on the ground among the rubble where the
supply closet used to be.Truly, "God has not ceased to be a God
of miracles." Have miracles ceased? Behold, I say unto you, Nay!
There are articles all over the Internet that give the bulk of the story. I
read articles on DN to get specific LDS information. You will find other
articles on DN that also give more info, as well.I'm thankful for
the information found here, but, of course, am saddened to know of the lives
that were lost. I say we all pray for those affected and see what we can do to
help, instead of spending our time being offended and finding fault.
The article was titled the way it was due to the fact that it is a special
interest story, especially as SLC is the home of the LDS Church. Simple as that.
I do not see this as offensive or partisan in anyway even as non-LDS. So lay off
the bashing, I don't care who you are and never be ashamed to call yourself LDS
or Mormon. My prayers go out to Joplin.
@armyofone: well, personally, I believe you are entitles to read the Des News,
and you are also entitled to your own opinion. Des News does not publish things
which are considered inflammatory and they published your comment. But, FYI, the Church publishes if the missionaries are safe because their
families are at home, sitting on pins and needles to hear if their sons or
daughters are safe. These missionaries are usually young men and women, just
out of high school, who go on missions for the LDS church. The parents
sacrifice greatly to send their precious sons and daughters to serve the Lord
for up to two years. Now, if it were your child in a strange place,
wouldn't you want to hear that they were safe especially if all other
communications are down? I think you would, as soon as possible. It is an
extremely kind act of the LDS Church to take care of its young missionaries and
put their families at ease, dont you think? If you were one of the parents, you
would expect no less. Hope this explains things a little more.
@ MayfairGood point! When I first heard about this I immediately
thought of the LDS chapel as an evacuation center, as they often are in
disasters like this. So it's all the more sad and frustrating that the LDS
church now can't offer that building to help so many, non- members of the church
included that are desperate for help. I doubt there is another meeting house
very close. @ Army- There are far more people who survived this
tornado than people killed. The living are in more need of our concern and help
than the deceased at this point. An LDS chapel could have been a great help to
them.@ Clark Kent Outside of Utah, especially in areas where
church members are fewer and farther between, the loss of a chapel is a really
big loss. Having a chapel at all is such a blessing, so to lose one for whatever
reason is cause for heartache. It's a part of all the loss people are
experiencing out there. Feeling sad that a chapel was destroyed in no way
diminishes the sadness they must feel in losing so many people in their
Like clockwork, here comes the ArmyofOne types, complaining about a Newspaper
article referencing the safety of our missionaries and fellow LDS.This is indeed not unique to the LDS. Every time there is a disaster overseas
we do indeed see reports of the safety of our Military and US Citizens. Japan
being the latest example.It's so interesting to witness the
"Hyper Critical Attitudes" of all things Mormon by some people.Sorry, guy, these people are our Family. The Church is tightly
connected, seperation by miles does not negate that. I gaurantee you, that many
of the LDS in KC, have relatives in Utah.We want to know. We are
connected. Local Newspapers are reporting on the tragic loss of the
locals in the KC area.Relax, we're all looking out for each other.
Wow...there are a few bitter people commenting on a story of local (Utah)
interest. Thanks for covering the story and feel free to inform us about
Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists or atheists...does offend me because I know
offense isn't intended.
ArmyofOne: "The headline and peg of the news story should not be about a
building"Many LDS members in disasters such as this grab their
non-member friends and head for their local LDS Building-for shelter, for
information, for food, to bring supplies, or volunteer. In this
case, knowing the condition of this major LDS building in the Joplin
area--oftentimes by checking the Des News directly, or by cell to members who
read it--now know that there is no need to converge on the building for those
things. Saves time, effort, travel,etc. and lets people know to seek others
venues for these things.
Hey we can't help it if we take care of our own! (as well as others)I would be asking, why doesn't my religion provide the same information
on my church or it's members.
I realize that a large majority of the readers of the DN are LDS... So am I. The
body count of this disaster is still climbing. The bodies are still warm... The
headline and peg of the news story should not be about a building. This story
would be better suited for the LDS church news a few weeks from now, at least
let us bury the dead before we morn the loss of a building that can be rebuilt.
I know most people cared first that over 100 people died from this tornado. We
care that many still have not been found. They also very much cared that so
many homes and businesses were destroyed. We do not just care that our
meetinghouse was destroyed. Do you know that the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints have even helped rebuild other religion's churches that have
been damaged? Do you know that many members of our church go and help out in
disasters. It is to to help everyone. Do you know there are trucks ready to be
loaded with food and cleaning supplies when there are disasters. Many different
churches care and do so much. Please quit picking at others and step up and do
what you can. Even if it is just smiling at someone.
Having lived all over the world it is the Deseret News we always turned to for
LDS news whether good or bad. Besides being a local news agency it is also a
world wide news source for LDS wanting to know what is up in the LDS world wide
community. So for those so easiely offended by an LDS centric article.
Get over it. It is not printed there for your sole consumption. It is there
for the rest of us...at least the LDS whether in Utah or somewhere else.There are plenty of on-line news sources for the those that don't like LDS
No wonder we're not ready for Zion - or a Zion'hearted people yet.There's too much drama over the technicalities of how this article is written,
when the focus should be on the lives lost.Sad indeed.
All these innocent lives lost, all this distruction, and some are worried about
wording of the headline. How petty and selfish.
@Chad S...you need to accept the fact that a large mormon population reads the
Deseret News for the Mormon-centric stories. The loss of a mormon meetinghouse
in Missouri is newsworthy to lots of Mormons in Utah. So get over yourself. Do you think the large Mormom population really wants to know whether
any meetinghouses were destroyed or damaged this soon after this natural
disaster, or is this news reporting agency telling us what is important to focus
on? I'm Mormon by the way, but whether or not a church meetinghouse was damaged
or destroyed is not even on my list at this point in time.
Armyofone:Yes, you are.
Dear Armyofone: Bitterness is so self destructive.
To ArmyofOne -- I understand what you are saying. I find it easier to not think
of DN as a national news source. It is a news source for the LDS church. That
just puts it into context for me and keeps me from getting frustrated when it
seems that more attention is given to LDS crime victims, to LDS politicians, to
LDS charity efforts, etc. I would imagine that some other large religious
institutions also have a news reporting arm and are probably pretty much the
same in this regard.
@Jemod...let's just accept the fact that only Mormons call themselves
"Latter-day Saints." The rest of the world calls Mormons...well,
Mormons.@ArmyofOne...you need to accept the fact that a large mormon
population reads the Deseret News for the Mormon-centric stories. The loss of a
mormon meetinghouse in Missouri is newsworthy to lots of Mormons in Utah. So
get over yourself.
Army of One,the Dessert news is not the only paper in town. read something
else. I got offened by the New york times. I stopped reading it. its just that
Jemod, if you had actually read the article instead of just the headline, you
would have noticed that throughout the article itself either the full name of
the church or the shortened 'LDS' are used. So if you want to complain,
complain to whatever editor wrote the headline.Oh, and no one was
offended but you.
I'm also curious about another church right next to the LDS chapel in Joplin.
Look it up on google maps. It had a huge cross in front of it. Anyone know what
religious group it belonged to? My heart goes out to them as well. The loss of a
building like that is a big deal. Do they have funds (tithing or whatever) to
rebuild like the LDS church does? I hope so. And obviously, we mourn all the
loss of lives and wish we could wrap our arms around all people who lost loved
ones, homes, pets, and simply their sense of security and well being from this
You know jemod and Army, you don't have to read the article if it offends you.
All last evening as I watched this unfold I was horrified that so many homes,
the hospital, the high school, big stores like Wal-Mart and Home Depot were
destroyed. People were inside all of those buildings. Did they survive? What a
horrible thing to see a building demolished. I did a little research and
discovered that the LDS chapel in town was right across the street from the high
school that had been destroyed. My heart sank. I feared the chapel had been
destroyed, too. I prayed that there wasn't a fireside or a seminary graduation
going on like they were all across the country last evening. A
"Meetinghouse" is a sacred place where people congregate. It's a
tragedy whether it's an LDS chapel or anyother church building. It's a huge
loss, for those who love attending meetings there, learning and feeling a part
of a "family" there. Since DN is a newspaper that serves a huge number
of LDS members, naturally they will be concerned about this meeting house and
those who attend there. No offense intended.
ArmyofOne = Get over it! You are offensive!
People who live in tornado areas ought to consider building in and living in
dome homes. Check out monolithicdome dot com.
ArmyofOneThis is a nation of free press and freedom for
everyone...you are free to read another newspaper, envoke your freedom.
To Jemod's point, it is better for us to title these stories with the official
name of the church and buildings. I realize it may lose some punch on the
national stage as some people struggle to determine which church is named
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". But over time, the
citizenry of the nation and world can know us by our name and works.
Interesting, but really, who cares? I'm LDS, but it's just a building.There are 116 people dead...and still counting!Let's pray for their
families and those who are now homeless....
I find these news stories rather offensive. You don't read in other major
newspapers "No Lutherans were killed" or all Christian missionaries
are accounted for. What is most offensive is that as a legitimate news source
you have made the headline about a "Meetinghouse" The truth of the
matter is this tornado was a non-discriminating source of destruction. Lives are
ruined, people are dead, churches and places of worship of ALL faiths have been
I've seen pictures of the Stake Center there...not much left at all and it's
simply amazing that no one was killed in it.
I saw photos of this on a link to a local Missouri woman's facebook account. Not
much left of the building at all. Just a few walls with pictures of Jesus on
them. And, strangely, tithing envelopes still in the holders. Mostly brick all
over the ground. The whole area is devastated and all of the people there need
our support and prayers.
Scott - I think this is what jemod from Bedford was trying to relay to you from
Elder Packer's talk:When referring to Church members, we suggest
members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As a shortened
reference, Latter-day Saints is preferred.
Mr. Taylor, Before writing anymore "Mormon" stories, please
read Elder Packer's address in the most recent General Conference.