NBA draft analysis: Jimmer Fredette, Enes Kanter rise on Jazz's radar


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  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 24, 2011 2:26 a.m.

    i for one is in favor of trading the picks...for next year's draft where in the players we need are there...Perry Jones...Harrison Barnes....i wouldnt mind taking a risk on Jeremy Tyler this year....

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 23, 2011 7:49 p.m.


    only one player that was drafted before Jordan that didnt have a lengthy career...and that was sam bowie...he was injury prone...Hakeem Olajuwon was drafted number 1 that year...the team who got the steal of the draft during that time...was chicago...but Utah should have the runner up...with John Stockton...the best point guard there is...

  • kosimov Riverdale, UT
    May 22, 2011 11:25 p.m.


    Do you really think the Jazz would draft someone so that they could keep another Mormon in Utah? Jimmer is from the eastern US anyway, so he would enjoy playing home games in the East, methinks.

    I believe I understand what you mean, though, and I would agree if it was really an issue. Once upon a time that kind of thing would go through Utah people's minds because of the call to gather to Utah in the late 1800s, but today, I don't think it is thought of most of the time. Agree?

  • kosimov Riverdale, UT
    May 22, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    I played basketball way back in the Middle Ages, but I cant figure out some of the reasoning here. It is fun, though!

    How high a player is drafted doesn't necessarily predict how he will perform in the NBA. Michael Jordan was drafted behind guys who didnt even make it in the NBA. There was a Gonzaga guard who was a bit obscure -- the Jazz fans booed when he was drafted! Now he has a statue in front of the arena. Draft ranking only determines starting salary, usually.
    Does a player go high in the draft because he "peaked" in college and thus looks great? Or is he just getting started (like Stockton), possessing the raw material and drive to grow and excel? Jimmer, for example, stumbled at the end of the Florida game, but that bothers people too much. He can become a fantastic NBA player if he wants to, and I think he does. Not everyone will sacrifice their personal life for an NBA career, as difficult as that is for us wannabe fans to understand. He could turn out that way, though he probably wont. He is motivated!

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 20, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    BillM75: Exactly what was so impressive about Leonard at the camp, he didn't even have the guts to do the basketball skills part, all he did was the athleticism drills and measurements. If that is what you are going to go on the best player in camp was Jeremy Tyler so he should be the first pick in the draft.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 20, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    When is comes to measureables, I have always understood that for a guard wingspan is more important, helps with D etc. and for a front court player, reach is more important, helps with rebounding, shot blocking etc. it's probably nit picking, but if people want to make a deal out of wingspan or reach those two things should be considered, do they play as a guard or front court player?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 20, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    Hearing Kanter didn't dog Jazz, just resceduled, June 2nd all day, workout and interview.
    I would be happy with either Kanter or Williams, Williams would probably be the best fit for us but a big with Kanter's skills and abilities is hard to pass up.
    Not that high on Knight.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Shaybo, you are aware how bad this draft is, right? The traditional slot values are meaningless. Just pick guys who can come right in and contribute something.

    And yes, Jimmer is "officialy 6' 2.5"...wearing shoes with soles that are a quarter inch thicker than what all the other players are wearing. He's 6' 0.5" in bare feet, a runt, tho obv he's thick and strong. He also has shorter arms than other PGs his height from past years.

    The only other player wearing 1.75" thick soles? Brandon "Paper Clip" Knight. Let's try for a PG next year, KOC.

    Leonard's shoes had only 1" soles. 1.5" shorter than Hayward but his wingspan is almost 6" greater, and his hands look twice as big. No way he'll last to 7 or 8 in this draft with as impressive as he looked in Vegas.

    Jimmer can light it up indeed. So can Hayward, so giving him CJ's minutes and having him shoot as many 3's as CJ does should solve that problem.

    Singleton is widely considered the best defensive player in the draft, and somebody gotta replace AK.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    May 20, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    Trade the picks for needed position veteran players, plus pick up on some excellent free agents unrestricted.
    Chris Wicox Det 6'10 ' 250 lbs
    Jonas Jerebko Det 6'10" 240lbs both banging defenders
    Al Thornton GS 6'7" 2or3 shooter, defender
    Marcus Thornton Sac 6'4" 2 shooter, defender
    Shannon Brown LAL 6'3" shooter, flyer, defender with Player option
    Take the need @ #3, trade the 12 pk for next years lottery or package with C.J.,Bell or Okur(if tradeable).Release A.K. Price, Watson, and Elson. Invite Kyle Weaver to camp with Cousins and other development league and undrafted rooks.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 20, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    Why would anyone in their right mind use a #3 pick on Leonard. They could probably trade that pick down to 7 or 8 and still get him. I like Singleton but the Jazz have to get at least one player who can light it up from outside. Jimmer officially 6'2 and 1/2 by the way, one of the bigger and stronger point guards in the draft.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    Kanter refused to meet with the Jazz, so that's done. No Seikaly Jr's please; in fact, no Euros ever, please. Brandon Knight is a toothpick, and LOL at UK listing him at 6'4".

    Kawhi Leonard, 6'6" W/O shoes, 7'3" wingspan, loves to play defense, hardest working guy in the Vegas pre-combine gym.

    As for Jimmer the midget, LOL. Chris Singleton at 12 along with Leonard at 3 are a pair of nice building blocks, glue guys. Don't try to hit homers out of the Grand Canyon. A couple solid line drive singles is fine in this barren draft; maybe leg one out into a double.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    May 20, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    Kanter hasn't played ball in over a year. That's a huge risk drafting at number 3. Besides, that would be a slap in the face to Derrick Favors. We don't need bigs. Knight at 3 if Williams is gone and Leonard or Singleton at 12.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 20, 2011 1:23 a.m.

    Pappa Smurf UTE: I can see why your a ute fan.
    Kanter isn't anything like Milicic, Kanter is very skilled and tough. Milicic was tall/long and athletic but didn't have skills. Kanter has all the skills and talent to be very good.
    Today watching the combine they said Knights coach said he doesn't go well to his left and he's not a high flyer like Rose or Wall and he doesn't finish well at the rim, he's a jump shot shooter. He may have potential but he's not a finished product by any means.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 19, 2011 11:58 p.m.

    I think the guys that sat out the combine (or most of it) might end up regretting it, especially if Jimmer or some others there do so well that it puts questions in the minds of the teams whether the sitters are all that.

  • Dave from Taylorsville Taylorsville, UT
    May 19, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    So they might take Enes Kanter with the 3rd pick. There are so many questions about him.

    All I can remember is. . . "And with the next pick, the next pick the Utah Jazz draft. . . DANNY SHAYES!" I was in the Salt Palace, I heard the thrunderous boos.

    Take the best player at 3. B ut with 12, if he's still there, you'd be crazy not to take Jimmer.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    May 19, 2011 9:21 p.m.

    Go ahead and draft Jimmer at #12. The Jazz have wasted drafts before. Just don't mess up with number 3. Trade some of the junk - have a yard sale and see what you can get with guys that sit on the bench a collect a paycheck.
    We have a lot of talent already, we haven't had a true center that can dominate the paint and make teams play a man to man instead of the zones which kills the Jazz year after year.
    One man's oppipinion.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    May 19, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    The NBA ain't the NCAA...at best, Jimmer will be an average 2nd team player, with minimal minutes to give the starter a blow.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    I stand corrected on Kanter's size, but that just means he won't be there at 3. If anything, he might go #1 now, and no way Clev trades him for just the 3 & 12 and some of our dross n' dreck. Shame about the fact he's barely played the last two years, and is scared to workout against other players. He's the Turkish Arajuo.

    Let's take Leonard at 3 and wave bye-bye to CJ. We can get a PG next year in a much deeper draft. Although Knight at 3 & Singleton at 12 isn't horrible either. We have to get better on the perimeter, much better.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 19, 2011 4:52 p.m.


    The thousands of Y fans that camped out. Not all are Jazz fans, or Jimmer fans for that matter. No one will miss a great show. He wont come into the league & put on a show like Lebron or Carmello did, so there will be NO SHOW as you call it. Maybe down the road he will develop into a good NBA player, but as it sits right now, Jimmer is just another slow white guy who's a gym rat, who can shoot the ball. If his shot is off, or he is defended by a bigger player, there would be no use for him on the court, & the team he plays for would suffer. It's not like he would help pick up the slack on D if he was not shooting the ball well.

    As for Kanter, the Jazz better not draft him as well. He is another Darko Milicic. The Pistons are still kicking themselves in the butt over that pick, & not taking Carmello. The Jazz need to either move up and draft Williams, trade the 3rd pick & players for an experienced center, or just draft Knight at 3, & hope for the best.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    May 19, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    I'm watching a replay of the combine as I type this. Kanter just officially measured in at a hair under 6'11" and 260 lbs. That makes him 2 inches taller and 4 lbs. heavier than Karl Malone. Big enough to bang down low?

    Bashing on Kanter's size now officially discredits any poster's knowledge of the man. He's big and talented.

    I still think the Jazz might go Brandon Knight.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 19, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    Winglish: I agree, I just watched Kanter at the combine, he looks bigger than I remember seeing him in his videos. If his knees prove healthy, I like taking him, I will be OK with taking Knight but I think Kanter has a lot of talent to pass up and he's tough, a good rebounder and has great skills.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    May 19, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    Bill @ 7:28- The European league already held an evaluation day. Kanter officially measured in at 6'10.5" with a 7'1" wingspan. He's just a little bigger than Karl Malone. Kanter turns 19 tomorrow. Like every youngster that age, he'll fill out in the next few years. He's already pretty cut. I'd say Kanter is plenty big enough to be a 4/5 combo player in the NBA.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    May 18, 2011 11:57 p.m.

    Next years Warriors pick, in what will be a deep draft, will be as valuable as this year's 12.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 18, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    Let's see,

    > You can't teach height (important in basketball, but only for the 2-5 spots), but you can teach defense (maybe--some people just don't have it in them);

    > You can't teach brains (you have to be born with'em), but you can teach basketball fundamentals (some might need repetition more than others);

    > You can't teach "touch" (required for shooting basketballs), but you can teach people to shoot (maybe not really well--inherent touch is necessary);

    > you can't teach heart (you either got "it" or you don't), but you can teach hustle (but only if the guy's not inherently lazy);

    > you can't teach trolls to see clearly, but you can teach'em to hate you.

    So, draft Jimmer!

    1. He has enough height for a PG.
    2. He's basketball smart, as well as otherwise smart.
    3. He has incredible touch, both around the rim, with mid-range, and with long-range shots.
    4. He has heart in spades!

    Again, DRAFT JIMMER!

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    May 18, 2011 10:14 p.m.


    Yeah I can make fun of your name too!

    You just can't stand the fact that Jimmer beat your mighty uTe's what 7 of 8 times? The kid can shoot, who cares if he lacks defense ability, most nba'ers can or won't play defense anyways. The kid has the ability to hit from the NBA line now and free college players come in with the deep 3 threat like JIMMER can. Not saying he's worth a 3 pick, but certainly a 12 pick. I'd trade down to 7 or 8 pick the kid from the Congo and maybe pickup G.S's 8 or 9 pick next year.

    You can teach defense, you either can make a 25 footer or you can't....Jimmer can

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    I don't have a problem with Knight at 3, he has alot of potential, he's only 18, he's smart, he could even grow some more. He's already a pretty good shooter/scorer and being smart he should be able to ajust to become a good/smart point guard. It would be nice if he grew an inch or more. If the Jazz do take Knight, then at the 12 spot they need to look at Bismack Biyombo(if he's available) or Singleton, or T Harris. I'm not sold on Burk, he's another CJ and not what we need. Singleton is a 6'9 3 man, very athletic, very good defensive player, ok shooter, Harris has good all around skills, is very young, fills need at 3.
    I really like Kanters skills but if he has bad knees, he's not worth the risk.
    If the Jazz did take Kanter, it would be because they have checked him out and feel his knees aren't a problem.

  • pate123 willard, ut
    May 18, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    I think KOC will trade these picks or package a or some current players to get a veteran wing.

  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    Boozer was a good pickup but he couldnt keep him. Okur didnt even play at Detroit not really stealing him away.

    The Jazz have always been consistent but that doesnt win championships. If youre fine with making the first and second round every year yippee! But, realistically, you need a GM to not play tentatively so he doesnt get fired to win it all. I would rather win a couple championships and then struggle for a couple years rather than win 40-plus and a first round exit but maybe Im alone on that one.

    Im a Bulls fan so I follow them more closely. But other than that, I appreciate your comment and you actually have some good feed back.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    Why would we take Derrick Williams when he's the same size as Millsap, only with less hustle on D, less work ethic, and less experience playing small forward? Local AZ papers are among his biggest critics.

    Kanter is nowhere close to 6'11" 272, more like 6'9" 255, and he hasn't played a game in over a year and is refusing to work out against other players. Yippee, plus national sites are saying he likely won't be there at 3.

    I'm excited too but let's settle down and not grade inflate this draft. Favors & Hayward will have far better soph years than any of these guys have rookie years.

  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    I never once said that I solely base my opinion on KOC on just his ability to bust in the draft I commented on that specific part of his job because thats what the article is about. Im fully aware that GMs do other things than watch the Draft Lottery on ESPN, make a few picks and then take the season off to go golfing.

    Players are assets, absolutely so use them. The grass isnt always greener on the otherside. Why not wait to develop these players. KOC is the type of guy that buys a new Mercedes but then watches the Audi commercial make fun of it and gets himself a brand new A4. Hes too quick to pull the trigger.

    Also, saying that the city of Portland isnt waving Jazz No. 1 foam fingers because of KOC is completely assinine. The Blazers and Jazz dont get along because theyre in the same division.


  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    May 18, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Based on what I heard out of Kevin O'Connor this afternoon I'd guess the Jazz will draft Brandon Knight. KOC was talking about how the Jazz traded Deron Williams for Favors, Harris and two other future players so the player they draft cannot be seen as the guy the Jazz traded Deron Williams for.

    Doesn't that sound like he's wanting to go point guard in the draft? Worrying about fans comparing the pick to Deron?

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    May 18, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    Kanter in mock drafts does not drop to number 3. If he doesn't, then there should be a monstrous trade. The Jazz have lots of "dead wood". They also have a lottery choice for next year that could be put into a big package.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 18, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    Yup, Mike W, you wouldn't want a player like Barea on your team, would you? Good thing you're not the Mav's owner (for them).

    P.S. Statistics generally lie. Like Jimmer having his shooting percentage drop because of a season's toll on him--you know, celebrity pressures and time away from school and basketball, getting physically worn out playing so many minutes, losing scoring teammates so he'd have to score more, etc.

    You can spin it any way you want, and most people do. Mindsets are hard to change--it means you don't like yourself if you do. Hard to not like one's self.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 18, 2011 6:33 p.m.


    Show me a GM that has been successful in the draft every year and I'll believe what you say. Otherwise, woof!

    KOC's been just fine.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 18, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    what if the Jazz traded up for number 2...packaged with the 12th pick and next year's protected pick from golden state plus CJ Miles and/or Devin Harris....this might give us Derrick Williams and Brandon Knight...or If Cleveland passed on Irving...we could have Derrick Williams and Irving...wishful thinking...but i hope it works...

    Al Jeff

    since it is a weak class...teams would probably trade away their picks...why not take advantage of that...if management feels that the players of this class aint that bad...

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    May 18, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    Nuts, this 3rd pick isn't much greater than the 6th pick. Outside of Williams and Irving, this draft doesn't have many stars. Enes hasn't played enough to be a 3rd pick IMO. Don't ever get Valusquiz. Vesley...maybe...

    I wish KOC could pull something off with Minnesota and get D-Will.
    Imagine D-Will, Hayward, Favors in one lineup. To me, that is the sickest lineup that could ever happen.

    Jazz should try to get Leonard as well....

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    May 18, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    Once again please for the love if you know anything about basketball you know the jimmer will tear this league up. ute fan quit balling about the jimmer he cant rip your beloved utes apart anymore. take the glasses off and look at him as a player.

    I promise Bass, hedgie , chris B and the rest of the ute haters never played the game but feel they are the Mel Kipper of basketball. quit please!

    When Jimmer is tearing it up with the Jazz or another team I can't wait to her the whinning from most. ute fans still won't admit when they are wrong.

  • tomo keystone heights, fl.
    May 18, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    How bout trading AJ, picks 3 & 12 to the bucks for A. Bogat & their 10th pick? Or AJ, #'s 3 & 12 to the cavs for Baron Davis, Semi Erdan & the #1 pick?

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 18, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    I hope we bring back CJ miles and AK. I also hope Williams falls to us with the third pick, if that happens, we won't need AK. I think the smartest bet is Knight, not Kanter with the third pick and Leanord/Burks/Jimmer with the 12th pick.

    Please, don't draft Kanter, we can find a big man in next years draft. We have AJ, DF, PM, Memo and we should bring back Fesenko.

    Our back court has to be our first priority if we want to compete next year.

    The Jazz need to draft two guards to help us forget the loss of Deron Williams and Wes Mathews. I think that we have a chance to replace those players with guys from this draft class.

    Using both first round picks on retooling our back court makes the most sense.

    Bring back CJ and AK on one year deals, or swing a deal for a young veteran wing.

    Lets get back to our dominating ways!

    GO JAZZ!

  • Led Zeppelin II Bountiful, UT
    May 18, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    We already know how big man projects and the Jazz always go. We dont need Dufus Festertag. Use that pick to et the best player available. This is why O'Conner continues to fail.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    May 18, 2011 4:32 p.m.


    I'm sure the Jazz would be the first to confess mistakes are made with drafting and moving players. If you were watching any other NBA team as closely as the Jazz you will see the same thing happens with them. Remember one thing though about Jazz draft picks. The Jazz are usually picking late in the 1st round where many players end up being busts. The Jazz have not had the chance to draft many lottery picks like this year. Also, it is a business after all and you don't know what kinds of business decisions have to be made to keep this team solvent. So you have spent a lot of time and research in your posts which I appreciate, but you're not writing the whole story. Overall, I applaud KOC and the Jazz for the job they do !

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    Re drum&feather:
    Do you really believe that the best way to judge a GM's success is by how many players he chose in the draft are still on the team?

    GMs do more than just draft players.

    Players are assets and KOC has a strong history of getting good returns on the players he ships out. He ended up getting AJ for Koufos, Brewer (essentially) and a crappy top 16 protected 1st round pick. He stole Boozer and Okur from Cleavland and Detroit. If you've ever wondered why Portland hates us it's because KOC somehow convinced them to trade away the rights to draft CP3 or Dwill to us for Martell Webster.

    But let's be honest the only argument I need to prove that KOC is a great GM is the fact that in 11 years and one major rebuilding stage the Jazz have only had two loosing records. Name one GM that rebuilt a team faster than the Jazz did after their superstars retired? And without ever winning the lottery.

    You should be more concerned with what KOC has done with lottery picks recently than mid 20 picks 10 years ago.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    May 18, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    Could the BYU and Utah fans please go away. This site is about the NBA. I can't read anymore of your crazy comments based on childish rubbish.

    Jimmer is going in the top 15 in a weak draft. He may turn into an allstar or he may turn into a flop. When the season is over, we can have that talk. If you want to watch Jimmer he doesn't have to play for the Jazz. This is the year 2011 and there is satallite TV. Just saying.........

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 18, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    BYU Trolls, Don't be shocked when Jimmer come in with a 36 inch vert and sprints as fast as DWill and Price.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 18, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    There is a lot of biased Ute nonsense on Jimmer. Since expectations about his D are low he will shoot up the boards on his combine stats IF

    1. His vert is 36 inches. Tyreke Evans had a 34 inch vert at the combine.

    2. His sprint is 3.3 or better. Brandon Roy was 3.27. Steph Curry was 3.28. DWill was 3.25. Price was 3.29. They are all SLOW compared to Rose at 3.05.

    Further, wait for his work outs. That will tell if he can stay in front of his man. BYU's defensive scheme is not something that should be the basis of deciding IF Jimmer can play in the NBA.

    After a couple of workouts the Jazz will know quickly if Jimmer is someone they want. He may or may not fit the Jazz.

    If the Jazz go big with the 3 they will trade Millsap or AJ during the next 2 years. If the Jazz go Knight (I do not see Kemba. He is a short version of Harris) they will trade Harris.

    If they go big at 3 there is a good probablity they take Jimmer at 12.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Great college players do not always make it big in the NBA. Shawn Bradley was one of the most overrated flops in its history. I know there is a local obsession with Jimmer, but to draft him would be only if O'Connor is mostly concerned with attendance to games and television viewers. Though the jury is still out on Hayward, so far it seems we could have made a better high draft pick. Jimmer is too small for a shooting guard in the NBA and point guards are generally the one's whose primary purpose is to run the offense and distribute the ball, not outshoot the rest of the team. He was guick for the college game, but in the NBA he would be at best, average. He already has been assessed as not being a top ten pick.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    May 18, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    Jimmer's stock is on a downward spiral!!!

  • Z2010 Brigham City, UT
    May 18, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    Would love to see the Jazz draft Williams, Knight, Burks and maybe Leonard. I think Kanter is a huge gamble if he has bad knees, but hopefully the Jazz will be able to determine that when he comes for a workout. And to use a #3 pick on an unproven (no college) player is a huge risk, so if Kanter isn't above avg. athletically then the Jazz would be better off going with the athletic kid from Congo.

  • MGB Saint George, UT
    May 18, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    I am amazed at how some say that Jimmer had a bad off night against Florida. He was a one man show scoring 32 points while getting mugged and beaten up with no calls made. If he had any support from other players (missed FTs and layups) they would have won in regulation. You can play all 40 minutes only so often. With his experience playing with TEAM USA last summer and the comments by other NBA players there, he is still the best PG in the draft.

  • NYJazzFan East Elmhurst, NY
    May 18, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    DWill2 is will be phenomenal, KOC needs to deal CJ and 3rd pick to Minn for 2nd pick and grab DWill2. Imagine: Harris, Hayward, DWill2, Favors, Jefferson with Watson, Jimmer, Evans, Milsap and Memo off the bench!! Good stuff!!

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    May 18, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    "The Jazz biggest weakness right now is at SF and PG. I don't see a future SF superstar in the draft. So, get one at PG!"

    Yes, so take Brandon Knight...

    "If anything, the Jazz might be forced to pick him at 3 in order to not miss out on him at 12"

    Ugh.... the love fest continues... I'm just glad most (emphasizing MOST) NBA GM's realize it's a business and don't draft for local-boy-done-good cases.

  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    These are the players the Jazz passed up on for these bogus picks. 2000 - Eddie House, Michael Redd. 2001- Gerald Wallace, Samuel Dalembert, Jamaal Tinsley, Tony Parker. 2002 Tayshaun Prince, John Salmons. 2003 Dahntay Jones, Boris Diaw, Carlos Delfino, Kendrick Perikns, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard, James Jones and Kyle Korver. 2004 Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, J.R. Smith, Jameer Nelson, Delonte West, Tony Allen. 2006 Rajon Rondo, Shannon Brown. 2007 Aaron Brooks, Arron Affalo. 2008 - Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, George Hill, Darrell Arthur in the first round. Mario Chalmers, DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik, Luc Mbah a Moute and Chris Douglas-Roberts. 2009 Darren Collison, Taj Gibson, Toney Douglas, A.J. Price.

    Still think KOC knows what hes doing? You obviously have NO idea what youre talking about because he is the worst GM in the NBA hands down. If youre fine with a guy whos just good enough to earn a first or second round playoff appearance then you have your man. If you want the Jazz to win a championship, like most of us do, you need to get your head out of the sand.

  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    2009 Maynor would have been the perfect pick if KOC would have had the patience to keep him around. He ships these guys off so fast that he cant see them grow. Can you imagine if he would have stayed? The Jazz backcourt wouldnt look so gruesomely bad. Goran Suton was a huge bust. (F)

    2010- Hayward did look great for the last part of the season when it had already been determined that the Jazz were eliminated. Its easy to play pressure free its like a pickup game. I want to see him produce the entire season before jumping on that bandwagon. Jeremy
    Evans was a decent pick the second round, however. If he can develop a offensive game he could be pretty good. (B)


  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    2007 This could be the worst of the bunch. Morris Almond in the first round? I dont even have to explain that because youve already agreed on how horrible of a pick that is. Then, picking up Fesenko in the second round. How has that been good? Hes a big body to use up fouls. The Jazz traded up 17 spots to grab him instead of getting Marc Gasol or Aaron Grey both better players, clearly. (F)

    2008- Koufos a good pick? Do you just blindly follow your teams or something? Thats a horrendous pick. Hes already been on three teams and is just used as a trading block. Hasnt played for all three at all thats including Minnesota. One of the WORST picks in history. As far as Tomic being a lottery pick, I doubt that. I want to see if he can be productive in the NBA. Playing overseas is a lot different. (F)


  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    2005 - Theres no question that KOC put together a great draft in 2005 however, his subsequent moves forced that specific draft to fall apart because hes incapable of maintaining the players he drafts. Notice the trend on how fast these players are shipped out of Utah? (A but with an asterisk)

    2006- This could have been a pretty productive draft class again. Ronnie Brewer has shown that hes an incredible defensive presence. However, KOC made the MISTAKE to TRADE him. Thats all him. Its not just a matter of drafting players its also how you handle things. Its called being a GM. Ask Deron Williams on that one. Dee Brown was a solid addition before leaving to Europe. PM24 has been amazing, but isnt a true starter. FANTASTIC sixth man, but worth $32 million? Not a chance. (B with an asterisk).

  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    2003- This actually could have been a decent draft class with Pavlovic and Mo Williams. They were both integral pieces in building one of the best teams in the league in Cleveland. However, KOC was too quick to allow Pavlovic to be released for the expansion draft the following year for Charlotte to pick up. Williams, after one season was released by KOC we all know what a solid point guard hes become in the league. Both picks flame out in one year? Thats a bust. (F)

    2004- The only thing Kris Humphries has done well is score Kim Kardashian as a girlfriend, other than that hes be terrible. He showed signs of potential this season with the Nets but who wouldnt? Its all they have. Kirk Snyder was traded after one season, then out of the league by 2008 and then spent three years in prison for aggravated assault. The other guy have no idea who he is. (F)

    Wow, KOC is accumulating a GPA of draft picks worthy of Jim Belushi in Animal House.


  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    If only we could skip the first five years of any other profession to make to contribute. Anywhere else youll get thrown out on the streets. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut eventually.

    2000- Stevenson in the first round? Hes spent his 10-year career as a backup averaging 3.2 points. At least he can still take pictures of his grill to post on the internet with his camera phone. I dont even know the other guy so thats an obvious. (F)

    2001- Raul Lopez was out of the league by 2005 after only playing in 113 games with horrible production. Jarren Collins has been mediocre at best throughout his entire career but with a second round pick is OK. (C)
    2002- Originally drafted Ryan Humphrey but traded him for Curtis Borchardt on draft day. Borchardt played a few seasons with the Jazz 3.1 points and 3.3 rebounds. Great stats from a 7-footer with the No. 19 pick. Once again, I dont know the other guy. (F)


  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    May 18, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    Jazz will not be drafting Jimmer. I can't wait until the draft has come and gone so these Jimmer articles will fade away.

    Jazz will take Brandon Knight at #3 or Derrick Williams at #3 if he is there.

    If the Jazz take Knight, they take Burks, a SF, or a Euro.

    If they take Williams at #3, they will take Burks, a SF, or a Euro.

    I just hope Jimmer fans can handle the day he isn't picked by the Jazz because that day is imminent.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    May 18, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Whoever gets Jimmer is going to have a spectacular player on their team and will pack the seats in stadiums. When Jimmer becomes a starter, if he doesn't from the start, people in any area will come to see him. Even teams that play great defense on him get whooped by him. If the Jazz take him, who cares about all these people saying they wouldn't watch a Jazz game. There are more dedicated BYU fans than there are u fans in the entire state (just look at this season). BYU fans will fill those seats even if pouty, whiny, jealous people in SLC won't come.
    SLC would be a great first stop for him because people here love and appreciate him. If he leaves, we won't be like shallow people in Cleveland and we'll wish him well.

  • Bigdude Twin Falls, ID
    May 18, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    If Ricky Rubio decides to stay in Spain the Jazz could get Derrick Williams. The Timberwolves need a point guard. If Williams is gone by 3 then I would prefer Knight over Kanter. We don't need any more big and slow guys. Jimmer would be a much shorter version of Korver. Good shooter, terrible defender. Jimmer will be able to play within himself in the NBA though, he won't need to force things like he did in college. He'll be a decent backup shooting guard where ever he lands.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    May 18, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    You cannot take Fredette in the top 12. Way too many other better players out there who have all-around games, better NBA bodies. Fredette is a hybrid of JJ Barea, Goran Dragic, maybe Steve Kerr... and you probably shouldn't use a lottery pick on that, and you CERTAINLY should not use a #3 overall on it.

    And the "Fredette is the best shooter" is largely a myth... statistically Klay Thompson, Brandon Knight are both just as good, and FAR superior athletically and defensively.

    The Jazz front-court is largely set for the next few years with Jefferson, Favors and Millsap all under contract for several more years... the backcourt is far less stable... only Devin Harris and Hayward (really best at a 3) are here long term. Add Brandon Knight and a Alec Burks/Klay Thompson and immediately you have a great all around roster and some financial flexibility as AK47 goes away.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    May 18, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    Just say NO to Jimmer.

  • md Smithfield, UT
    May 18, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    @Vinman-- Really? There are a lot of taller wings out there who would eat Jimmer alive offensively? I am not a Y fan and I find that hard to believe. Give some names please.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 18, 2011 11:48 a.m.


    You're just bluffing, aren't you.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    Re drum&feather:

    2005: Trading up to get DWill was brilliant, can you imagine what this franchise would look like if we got stuck drafting Webster at 6? That was the best draft day move of the decade. And CJ was a solid 2nd round pick. A+

    2006: Brewer was a sold pick at 14 and started for the Jazz for 3 years during deep playoff runs. Milsap was the steal of that draft and Brown made the roster and contributed for a year. A

    2007: Almond was a bust, but Fess was a decent pick at 38 and was worth the risk. D

    2008: KK was a good pick, he will be in the league a long time and had enough value to be used as a piece to bring in AJ. Tomic would be a lottery pick this year and right now he has a ton of value as an asset. B

    2009 The Jazz got a lot of money out of Maynor when they sold him. B

    2010 Hayward looked like a potential all star at seasons end, and Evans was a steal. A

    You don't know what you are talking about.

  • satch Highland, UT
    May 18, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    The jazz have holes in the PG, SG, SF, PF, and C position. Should be best player available. The jazz are starting all over.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    May 18, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    You can't teach someone to be a great shooter. The Jazz have a strong need for a strong outiside shooter ever since Kyle Korver left. Jimmer is the best shooter in the draft.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 18, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    Those who think Jimmer can't lead a team are not paying attention to the fact he's among BYU's all-time assist leaders. And that's playing on teams with guys that couldn't convert for him.

    Give Jimmer some finishers and be surprised!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    May 18, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Jimmer is a black hole on offense and if he's not scoring he's worthless.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 18, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    When Jimmer, WITH THE BALL, outraced his supposedly more athletically quick opponents down the floor in college games, it cracked me up when people kept saying he's so slow!

    So-called more athletic and quick PGs couldn't guard Jimmer in college. They won't be able to in the NBA, either. And, his crossover is better than D-Will's.

    Those who say Jimmer can't finish at the rim better than other PGs in the draft simply didn't watch BYU games all that much. That's where Jimmer got MOST of his points--either making the two, getting the two with an and-one, or getting to the foul line where he's nearly automatic. MOST of his points, fellas.

    He's known for his trey range, but his ability to get to the basket and finish is first class.

    It'll be interesting to see whether the Jazz wait until their 12th pick to get him (I'm sure they want him), or just go ahead and pick him at 3rd.

    The pre-draft camps are going to make it tough on the Jazz to wait til the 12th. Jimmer will turn heads there.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 18, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    Jimmer should will be picked #1 so until the Jazz trade up they can't get him.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    May 18, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    No question Fredette was a great college player.

    My concern about Fredette is that he didn't make his teammates better. He needed teammates to step up in order to optimize his own game. A guard at that size really needs that trait in the NBA.

    Fredette's drives are very blockable in the NBA, where there are tighter and longer defenses. And his defense consists of preparing to receive the inbound pass after his guy scores.

    Fredette is poised for an NBA career, but likely similar to Steve Kerr, as a long-distance shooter. Worth a shot late in the first round.

  • Walter Bellhaven Las Vegas, Nevada
    May 18, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Jazz will draft Jimmer Fredette with their 3rd pick, than T.J. Fredette @ 12. Gametime, and halftime entertainment!

    May 18, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    However it goes, it will be interesting! We gained tons of ground with getting the 3 pic. Lot's of scenarios out there, however they fall into place. Born a Jazz fan-Still a Jazz fan-will die a Jazz fan.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 18, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    rogerdodger | 8:00 a.m. May 18, 2011
    Logan, UT
    I will never go to or watch another Jazz game if they draft Jim Jim. Even if it is in the 2nd round

    I'm sure your YM president can give the tickets to someone else this year.

  • drum&feather Sandy, Utah
    May 18, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    2000 (1,23) DeShawn Stevenson, (2,50) Kaniel Dickens.
    2001 - (1,24) Raul Lopez, (2, 48) Jarron Collins.
    2002 (1,19) Ryan Humphrey, (2,47) Jamal Sampson
    2003 (1,19) Aleksander Pavlovic, (2,47) Maurice Williams
    2004 (1,14) Kris Humphries, (1,14) Kirk Snyder, (1,21) Pavel Podkolzine
    2005 (1,3) Deron Williams, (2,34) CJ Miles, (2,51) Robert Whaley
    2006 (1-14) Ronnie Brewer, (2,46) Dee Brown, (2,47) Paul Millsap
    2007 (1,25) Morris Almond, (2,55) Herbert Hill
    2008 (1,23) Kosta Koufos, (2,44) Ante Tomic, (2,53) Tadija Dragicevic
    2009 (1,20) Eric Maynor, (2,50) Goran Suton
    2010 (1,9) Gordon Hayward, (2,55) Jeremy Evans

    The Miller family is more concerned with loyalty than they are with winning. This isnt Harmons Family Grocer. This is the NBA. Keeping Kevin OConnor around when hes probably produced the worst 10 years of drafts picks out of any general manager in the same time span is a travesty to a great franchise that has many dedicated followers. Watch them draft this Turkey guy (another Euro bust) and Jimmer who doesn't play an ounce of defense. Sad.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    May 18, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    I think Jimmer would be a good pick. I watched him for two years. He's strong, quick, and can make his own shot. If you only saw him in the Florida game, you don't have a real picture of Jimmer. He was hurt, doubled and tripled, and mugged as the refs "let them play", calling only 20 fouls in the game.

    I'm not an NBA fan, but nobody in college could guard him one on one. I don't think the pros will do any better, and Jimmer's been coming off ball picks his entire career. The pick and roll? A mainstay of pro ball, and Jimmer is awesome coming off pics.

    He'll go a lot higher than most of you posters think, and maybe I'll actually start watching the NBA again to see him play. I'll be surprised if he doesn't do well in the NBA.

    But what do I know - I stopped watching NBA hoops when all the good players (Jordan, Malone, Stockton, Magic, Barkley, et al.) disappeared with nobody to take their places. Only thing more boring than NBA now is soccer.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    May 18, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    The Jazz may trade down with the #3 pick. I don't think it holds that much value unless you want Enes.

    The Jazz are in big need of outside players. Don't forget Memo is signed through this year. That means there are 4 bigs under contract. You can pick up another big with the #12 pick. It's very possible that the Jazz draft Enes and trade him on draft day for Knight and something else.

    If Cleveland doesn't want to draft #1. They may trade the Jazz for their #3 and Harris. But that is still highly unlikely as they will still be stuck with Davis.

    Jimmer is the biggest risk in the draft in the 1st round. But on the other hand, he may end up being the biggest steal of the draft. No one knows what to expect from him at the next level. I, for one, think if a guy is a scorer, not just a shooter, he will do well at the next level. Jimmer can score.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    With rookies, they always talk about "potential for growth".

    From what I've read of the Jimmer legend, he has worked very very hard to get where he is. He deserves every college award he has won. The question is "does he have more to develop?"

    A case could be made that he is maxed out... that he has no "potential for growth" (other than adding ANY kind of defense to his game). How high do you draft a maxed out rookie?

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    If the Jazz do believe that there is a huge drop off after 2, they have some really good assets to help them move up a spot or 2.

    Ante Tomic had another solid year as the best player on one of the top 4 teams in the world outside the NBA, he's put on some weight, and he's still 7'2". If he was in this year's draft he would easily be a lottery pick.

    The #12 pick is still very valuable even in a below average draft class. Next year's Golden State pick should be between 8 and 12, and it will be in an extremely good draft class.

    All of those assets individually are way better than anything the Jazz gave to Portland in order to move from 6 to 3 and draft an all star.

    They also have a 2nd round pick next year that could be a deal sweetener.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    First off OConner has been very bad at taking the best player available.

    OConner 3rd worst draft. The Jazz took Kosta Koufos instead of Donte Green, Nicolas Batum, DeAndre Jordan or Serge Ibauka. I have to stay that Koufas wasn't the worst pick. But ESPN ranked him 27th. Why not take Jordan who espn said had top 5 talent

    2nd worst OConner Draft - Morris Almond instead of Marc Gasol Aaron Brooks, Arron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter. Wow. I really wanted the Jazz to draft Splitter here. He is a can't miss. - Even if he had to stay in Europe for a couple of years. ESPN had all 4 of those guys ranked higher than Morris.

    And OConner worst draft was Skipping on Josh Smith (ESPN 13th best prospect)for Kirk Snider (15th) and Kris Humphries (19th). Josh Smith was a swing for the fences type player. He was a freak athlete, but the Jazz went safe. They also passed on Jameer Nelson and Al Jefferson but Jefferson was looked at the 4th best high school prospect after (Dwight Howard, Josh Childress, Josh Smith) He was kind of a reach.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    May 18, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    Last night we watched a local guy play against the Cardinals, they didn't take him cause they knew he could hit, but didn't think he would be all that effective. He was rookie of the year and is playing on the #1 team in the NL and #2 team in all of baseball. So St Louis under estimated what Ron Howard could do, just glad he and their #1 pitching staff were not able to do their thing with us in the two game series. Having a local person for the Jazz would increase ticket sales, except on Sundays ;)

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    May 18, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    Kemba a top 5 pick? No way. Too small and is a volume shooter with a low percentage. The guy has a big heart but I will be really upset if the Jazz take him with either pick.

    I think Brandon Knight has even more potential than Kyrie Irving. If the Jazz take him at 3 I won't be too disappointed but I'm really hoping Williams is available at 3 somehow.

    A trade for a good small forward would also be fine. Time to let AK go and I think we all know by now that CJ is not a consistent threat.

  • jp3 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Please, KOC, give us a few more athletic players that we're always short on, not the unathletic overachievers that we're used to: trade down a few spots and get Bismack Biyomba, a young Shaun Kemp, then Burks at 12, and then a young big man with 3 you've traded down for (like Lucas Nogueira).

  • Big_Ben SLC, UT
    May 18, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    I wouldn't mind taking Jimmer at 12. But, if we take Brandon Knight at 3, then Jimmer is completely off the radar at 12, regardless of if he is available.

    I would avoid Enes Kanter like the plague. His knees will break down in two or three years.

  • Jeffrey Wilbur Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 18, 2011 9:46 a.m.


    If Jimmer was concerned about doing some good for the Church, he would have gone on a mission.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone who doesn't serve a mission; his choice is his choice, and he shouldn't be judged negatively for it. However, you don't get to choose not to represent the Church, and then still get to claim that you represent the Church.

    Can't have your cake, and all that...

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    If the T Wolves take Canter, Jazz go with Williams. Otherwise at 3 there is only one choice - Brandon Knight.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 18, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    It appears the jimers value is droping like a burning Hindenburg. CBS has him at 20 now.

    Give it a few more weeks and the jimer will find himself in the 2nd round... if he's lucky.

    Thanks goodness it's a very weak draft.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    May 18, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    Life is always "compared to what." This year's #3 sure seems lean compared to other years. We've seen Leonard and Williams play here and while they were good, they did not overwhelm the basketball imagination.

    All the negative talk of Fredette is just partisan whining. Being analytical it is obvious the kid can shoot, from anywhere. Can he guard? He has guarded well in many games. NBA quality? No, but the myth of needing to guard in the NBA is obvious when you watch a game. Players are OFTEN left wide open. They aren't guarded well. But, too many players love the slam dunk and can't hit the wide open 10 to 20 foot shot. Compared to most guards I watch in the NBA who come off the bench, Jimmer would be a steal. Will he start? I doubt it, but, with his obvious skills and work ethic, and with the number of Raja Bells in the league, he could.

  • Resolute Voice Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    There is not a player in this draft that can elevate the Jazz from being competitive to title contender. Soft Euro players and small position players. The Western Conference is long and tough, the Jazz are opposite. Memo, AK, and Fes are all soft Euro's. Why go down that road? Bundle the picks and get an impact player that will really make an impact.

  • jazzfanzz WB, UT
    May 18, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    Well, I've thought all along that Jimmer would be great for the Jazz. But in looking back at some of his games, true he did some pretty incredible things, but he also did some pretty crazy things. When he makes his incredible shots, he's a hero. When he attempts the incredible and misses, he's the villain. It would take him some time to get out of the BYU mentality and into the pro mentality. That said, I still think he'd be a great addition to the Jazz team, if it happens.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 18, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    MN actually wanted Bell earlier and there were rumors that KOC and Kahn had an agreement to trade Bell. Kahn might trade the 2 for the 3 and Bell. Price is a free agent. CJ may be tradeable but the Jazz need shooting so they are not likely to do that.

    POR is openly talking about trading one of their SGs (Roy, Mathews etc) and maybe Batum as they have Wallace now. However they would want a pick and who know what else. Further, none of those players are cheap. The Jazz have cap problems and need the draft picks.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 18, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    All the banter about Jimmer will change as he goes through the process at camps before the draft. Eyes will be opened.

    If anything, the Jazz might be forced to pick him at 3 in order to not miss out on him at 12. Maybe they can somehow get their 12th pick moved up to 6 or 7.

    The Jazz biggest weakness right now is at SF and PG. I don't see a future SF superstar in the draft. So, get one at PG!

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Enes Kanter is the international man of mystery and the dark horse in this draft. He could be a perennial all star or a complete bust. There have been rumors about health issues with him, but since he didn't play at all last year who knows how much weight those rumors hold.

    If Kanter is the riskiest pick, then the safest pick would be Kawhi Leonard, Leonard has all the intangibles that translate into being a solid player at the next level, but I don't know if his ceiling is very high.

    Knight will be the player that would fill Utah's biggest need. Right now the Jazz don't have a backup PG on their roster and they need help at shooting guard. Knight is a combo guard and he could immediately fill those voids, if he's any good.

    I don't know who the Jazz should take but the options at #3 are 10 times better than they would have been at #7.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    "I will never go to or watch another Jazz game if they draft Jim Jim. Even if it is in the 2nd round"

    I seriously doubt anyone will notice your not there.

    Who in their right mind would want Bell and Price. Bell had a terrible year. Price is not under contract this year and CJ would have minimal trade value. I am not opposed to a trade but people aren't going to give away a top 5 center unless the Jazz give up Millsap and Favors or big Al.
    if you can trade the #12 pick with CJ and possibly Bell for a good 2 guard then thay might be good. Maybe Portland will trade Matthews back to us for that package.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    rogerdodger | 8:00 a.m. May 18, 2011
    Logan, UT
    I will never go to or watch another Jazz game if they draft Jim Jim. Even if it is in the 2nd round

    Thousands that camped out overnight all over the MWC would disagree with you.

    Too bad, you will miss a great show.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    May 18, 2011 8:44 a.m.


    I overlook Jimmers talent, and his lack of defense.

    CBS has Jimmer going 20th:

    20. Minnesota Timberwolves -- Jimmer Fredette: Maybe the most David Kahn pick of all time.

    Lets hope it stays that way and Utah picks up some bigs.

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    Kanter is a big waste of space he isn't going to do anything for us.

  • scotsman Lewiston, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    Please say no

  • vinman Payson, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    O'Connor knows what to do...Pick the best Athlete available. If that happens to be Kanter, oh well. If it's Knight or Williams should he be available, just more competition for jobs which always improves teams if the players are willing to commit to work.

    As far as the 12th pick goes, don't waste a guaranteed contract on a one dimensional player like "He shall not be named" because what he's worth is more in line with a 2nd round pick than a first, although some lame GM will spend a first on him I'm sure. I think he will be lucky if he ge's drafted at 15. There are a lot of 6-4 and bigger shooting guard-wing types out there who would eat "JimJim" alive offensively. Can Jimmer guard a chair?

    Talk is cheap but it takes money to buy Whiskey!

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    Don't everlook the Jimmers heart and passion!

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 18, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    i'd trade Bell Price Harris + the 3rd and 12th pick for Felton and Gallinari denver's first and secound round picks.....

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    Trade baby trade

    send Bell and CJ and Price with the third pick and get the Jazz a proven inside entity.

    Sorry Jazz I don't want to wait for the team to develop another 19 yr old. Pretend to be the Lakers and compete every year.

    The Jazz have one of the top 5 payrolls in the NBA they may as well get some return for it.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 18, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    Somewhere in the world right now, Walker, Knight, and Williams are all on their knees praying that they won't have to live in Utah.

    The Jazz will end up taking Kanter with the 3rd pick - he's a slow, white big man whose name starts with a K. There's something about doing that that's in the Jazz's bloodstream.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    Come on. Jazz have to take Knight at 3, as long as Williams doesn't get passed on by Minnesota. Favors, Jefferson and Millsap are just fine as your big rotation. Kantor and Favors both will be low-post guys, don't need both. And Favors is much more athletic.

    Take Knight at #3. If Burcs from Colorado is still around at #12, grab him. Jazz are hurting at the guard line.

  • rogerdodger Logan, UT
    May 18, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    I will never go to or watch another Jazz game if they draft Jim Jim. Even if it is in the 2nd round

  • BP Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    Is Knight really not worth the 3rd pick? I mean, it seems like a 6-3 combo guard is exactly what the Jazz would need.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    May 18, 2011 7:16 a.m.

    After all the rotten luck the Jazz had this past season, I'm still in shock that they actually moved up in the draft.

    At six I would have been happy with Bismack Biyombo but now their field of potential picks has widened. Owning the 3rd pick will also bring the Jazz a bunch of offers (in the form of trades and other possible moves) that weren't available to them had they remained at six.

    I like Kanter's abilities a lot but I've seen several pictures of him wearing knee bands, which makes me worry that all the talk about him having bad knees might just be true. The last thing the Jazz need is another guy missing a bunch of games due to injuries.

    And I'm okay with the Jazz drafting Jimmer at twelve. If nothing else, it will certainly help bring in the BYU fans. And though I'm a Ute at heart, I don't mind tossing them a bone; especially if it means they bring more of their money and support to the Jazz.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 18, 2011 6:51 a.m.

    So he gets every collegiate basketball award known to man, and they still can't come to terms with his value. It only adds more fuel to the fire.

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2011 4:57 a.m.

    I think Kanter and Jimmer on the Jazz would be terrific!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 18, 2011 4:01 a.m.

    What a waste if Jimmer ends up playing more years in the obscurity of the Wasatch Front. He's the kind of young man that should go somewhere where he can do some good for the Church, BYU and just be a good influence. You have enough Mormons there - spread the wealth!!!

  • Let's be reasonable Belgrade, Serbia
    May 18, 2011 2:05 a.m.

    OK, IMHO I think we need to pick up a good SF. Everyone is saying there are 2 maybe 3 good picks in the draft with a big fall off there-after.

    I have wanted DWill the whole time and ran ESPN's mock draft machine thousands of times, each time hoping for a scenerio in which the Jazz get DWill. I actually think with us getting the 3-pick and Cleveland getting the 1 that we have a ligit shot at DWill.

    Everyone is saying that Irving is the pretty boy. But if Cleveland takes him then they lose out on their 4 pick. Who would be availible? 2 more PG and Kawhi Leonard. So they take Leonand. But I think this is smarter: Take Kantor with the 1, Minn takes Irving and we get DWill. Then Cleve can take B Knight or Walker (Knight is better). So they get a great center and a great PG.

    Who knows, but my 2 cents are for doing what it takes to get slasher SF to compliment the big guys in the middle we have, the shooter we have in Hayward and the power in the SF I hope Millsap is.