@Riverton Cougar"...Imagine how good they'd be if it *was*
their top priority."********Yeah, if football had been
their top priority they might have been able to execute a simple field goal
blocking scheme.Instead.... It's blocked... it's blocked.... it's
blocked... game over...Better luck next time... thanks for playing.
us old-timers can remember when the NIT was the national championship and the
NCAA squeezed them out. do not expect help from the NCAA they are about the
In recent history Utah, TCU and Boise State have created serious doubt as to the
validity of the BCS national champion.The NCAA tournament has the
conference champion from each Division I conference and a multitude of other
teams participate in the tournament. The NCAA destroyed the NIT by simply
inviting all the decent teams to their tournament. The BCS could do the same if
they expanded their participation.With quality teams like Utah, TCU,
Boise State, BYU and others surging and participating in an alternative
championship, it might just work.Teams playing in bowl games
typically have some kind of let down due to not having played for more than a
month. If a TCU just won the non-BCS tournament and they played a BCS bowl
game, it could be really embarrassing for the BCS teams.
"I propose that Robinson's suggested national championship game be dubbed
the "The Fifth Priority Bowl"You know... for
those schools that aren't willing to make football a main priority."For having football be their fifth priority, BYU is pretty darn good!
Imagine how good they'd be if it *was* their top priority. Or, imagine how bad
the Utes would be if football was thier fifth priority!
I propose that Robinson's suggested national championship game be dubbed the "The Fifth Priority Bowl"You know... for those
schools that aren't willing to make football a main priority.
pebbles"Your team has had 12 years to earn its way in with nary
a BCS bowl invite."Your team has had 120 years to win a
national championship with nary a sniff at a championship.Compare
that to BYU which won its first National Championship almost 30 years ago.BYU doesn't need a couple of BCS wins to get a Big 12 invite. BYU is
already the odds on favorite to be invited as soon as the Big 12 decides to
expand. The Big East has already contacted BYU about the possibility of joining
the Big East as a football-only member.
As per Hondo "and BYU will be a de facto member of the BCS by earning its
way in every year." Really? Your team has had 12 years to earn its way in
with nary a BCS bowl invite. Compare that to Utah and TCU who busted the BCS
twice in the same time period and were rewarded for it with invites out of the
Mid-Majors into BCS conferences. BYU's best hope is to get to and win a couple
of BCS games (not an easy task) and then hope the BIG 12 will then feel
compelled to extend an invite. With regards to a Mid Major
football playoff; very bad idea (would be viewed in the same vein as the Triple
A or NBA Development League playoffs).
Ahem, Hondo. BYU is still non-AQ, aka Army & Navy.
Two words Doug.Dumb idea!
This article is pontless because neither BYU or Utah is a part of the non-AQ
track. Utah got invited in because the PAC-12 wanted a punching bag and BYU
will be a de facto member of the BCS by earning its way in every year.I see 12-1 for the 2011-2012 season etched in the BYU annals!
The corruption of the BCS teamed with the ineptitude of the NCAA has no
intention of doing anything to pluck the golden goose. The whole situation
smacks of the worst collusion of monopolization known to the human race. I dare
say the justice department will invest the national debt in discovering all of
the overturned rocks, but will somehow fail to come to a conclusion. You would
have to wash the laundry room to clean up Ohio State and Tennessee - If the NCAA
falters in those cases, then don't count on any changes in this lifetime. A
playoff for non - AQs? As has been said, the BCS would welcome it as it would
eradicate the bothersome Non AQ fleas. Indeed it would mean the Non AQs were
simply FCS Division I schools.
The BCS has so much power and money behind them, it reminds of early monopoly
barons in early America. Nothing, NOTHING, will change the status-quo short of
the combination of legal and government intervention.
I agree on the NIT comments. Does anybody actually remember who won the NIT this
I think this is a great idea! It will be decades before anything political
happens. It's time to let the players play, and take the politics out of
OOPS! Change Louisville and insert CFU.My point is that BYU thinks
they are doing what they have to do to have strength in schedule. But, what if
Texas and Utah tank? BYU's schedule won't help. Big gamble. BYU should join a
play-off tournament at end of season.
Here's a solution to the money problem. Bowls pay 90% of their revenue to a
fund held by the NCAA and keep 10% to run the bowl. Schools pay their own way
to get to bowls. NCAA distributes bowl monies to all schools equally and aimed
at equality of sports (possibly to equalize for Title IX). This
would weed out the lighter bowls, if schools can't afford to attend those bowls
then the bowl should go away. Time was, and not too long ago, that not many
schools went to bowl games.I think there are serious flaws with what
Doug has written, but stretching it to fill Dec could put ratings heat on the
I completely agree with Zona, DC, and UtahBlueDevil. The BCS would cheer this
on and probably give them money to do it. It would further cement their
y4lifeeven though i like your idea it will never happen. there's
good money for a team like western kentucky or new mexico state to go somewhere
like oklahoma and get whooped.
@Razzle2Louisville is already in the big east, so they can't be a
TCU does not move to the Big East until 2012. We have another year for BYU,
Nevada, Hawaii, Navy, Louisville, and Southern Miss to be the next busters with
BSU. But, the argument gets harder when the Big East finally has a legit team
taking their spot. These teams should have their own playoff to up their
schedule and mess with the polls.
The only potential problem I can see with this idea is.. What if the top two NAQ
teams are invited to a BCS bowl, and choose to play in the BCS bowl instead of
the NAQ bowl? Then, even with a playoff, there is no real claim to the 'real'
Great idea. Call it the Insignificants' Bowl Series.
Not smart!Never give up the fight to bust the BCS and have a playoff.
Demand Equal money from the bowls. The BCS conferences already have big $$ from
their TV contracts. The money generated from the bowls should be shared equally
with all Division 1 teams. We need parity for better competition. Where is the
NCAA in all this? What rock are they hiding under while the BCS corruption runs
I mostly agree with WhatsInItForMe. The BCS would be much, much better if they
got rid of the whole "BCS conference" or "Automatic
Qualification" confereces. That's bogus. Just because a conference has a
lot of teams that tend to be good doesn't mean that every single year they will
be superior. Look at the Big East and the ACC, and the PAC-10 a few years ago--
one, maybe two good teams, but the rest where certainly not "BCS"
quality.If they stop excluding certain schools, it wouldn't be under
as much fire. They could just take the top 10 and give them all BCS bowl games
(even if it means two or more "non-BCS" schools are in it!). If they
really believed what they said that "BCS schools" being superior, then
the BCS schools would all be top 10 and nothing would change.Of
course, their ranking system needs to be as unbiased as possible (it's getting
better, but not quite there yet). Go ahead and use SOS a little; however, while
beating good teams is impressive, remember that a team beating up on bad teams
could be just as good.
I think it's a great idea. But, they should call it the "NCS", The
National Championship Series. Boxing did it and brought down the
"World Heavyweight Champion" fiasco.The BCS does not own the
term National Championship.Remeber the Dr. Seuss book, "The
Sneetches". "Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars. The
Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars."
I can see the idea to get rid of this long break between the final regular
season and the bowl game. It should only have two teams from those 4 non-aq
conferances to play the non-aq championship game. If one team still undefeated
will be in but if one loss they won't get in. Conclusion, they will never be
invited for NC game like what happen to utah.
It's how the NCAA basketball tourney busted the NIT.I agree with
Zona Zone, but not a bad plan B if things don't change...It's always
good to look at options.With all the money just for the PAC 12
championship game, a Division One sixteen team playoff could generate some huge
If you want more interesting football reading, check out BYU's future as an
independent in a recent Deep Shades of Blue article.Pretty tasty
info, including the comments from its readers.So, when will DNews
sports writers dig up this kind of info and report on it?
There's nothing wrong with the BCS as a system for getting a national champ out
of it. What IS wrong is how they exclude schools. Fix THAT and everyone's
happy.It'll likely take legal action to make this happen, though.I prefer the BCS system over a playoff simply because a playoff doesn't
allow a team to slip up even once and DOES allow a not-so-good team to get hot
at the right time.This year's NCAA basketball tourney proved you
can't get the best team in the end. It also proved that the year's worth of work
can mean nothing in the end.A round-robin type of playoff is needed
in both football and basketball to be fair and REALLY produce a non-questionable
national champ, and we know THAT isn't feasible. Too many playoff games,
especially for football. For basketball, just don't include so many teams to
begin with, then it's feasible there.Let's just fix the current
systems to minimize the fog.
The only solution is for the NCAA to recognize a champion and force schools who
have Div 1 football programs to participate if they want to participate in other
Div 1 sports championships. The money will always be there for college
football. But until the NCAA gets involved, nothing will ever change, even with
any anti-trust lawsuits. All the BCS will do is change the rules a bit, just
like they do every 4 or 5 years to get the heat off them for a bit.A
non AQ playoff is raising the white flag.
120 schools, All Division 1, according to the NCAA bylaws.And yet,
68 or so are allowed to collude, tie up all the bowls, cut non equitable deals,
while excluding one half of it's membership.Clearly illegal.
Seriously, try these tactics in any other area of business and the feds are on
you, yesterday.It takes an action in the courts to get the ball
rolling. Up until now, none of the 120 institutions have been willing to do so.
Until one, just one school sues, nothing will happen.If the 52 or so
schools refused to play the so called big 6, they could never fill out their
schedules. Then they would come to the table and negotiate more fairly.It's not about a playoff, or pitting #1 vs #2, the issue is the Monopoly of
bowls and money, through illegal collusion.It's about cornering the
marketplace and money, through collusion and backroom deals. It's Illegal!The BCS can avoid it all by giving every Conferenc a guaranteed spot,
thus eliminating the AQ perjorative label and the contrived, man made, caste
Doug's "so simple" solution still ignores the anti-trust violations of
the BCS cartel with the media and the bowls. Arbitrarily selecting six
conferences to auto qualify for billions of dollars while limiting access to
other schools competing in the same system is colusion and is at the heart of
the issue. This is not about crowning a legitimate national
champion, and creating another "sub-super' does not mitigate the financial
theft perpetrated by the BCS. Not only does the system assure that profits from
the BCS unfairly attribute to selected institutions, they assure that those
institutions by way of improved facilities and other accomodations attract
better recruits, thus tipping the field ever more in favor of only those
institutions included in the BCS.You miss the point, Robinson, as do
those of you who think this is about anything besides equal access and
anti-trust violations. It is not a sports issue. It is about blatantly unfair
business practices which should not be tolerated in any public venue. The DOJ
and Congress took down ATT and MIcrosoft for the same practices. Why is the BCS
After Utah and TCU leave the non AQ there is only one team of any significance
left in all of the non AQ teams. That team is Bosie and even they would struggle
with a BCS schedule. Forming a non AQ championship is exactly what the BCS
wants. It would be the same as admitting you are second tier football. Great
This sounds an awful lot like using a tournaquet for stopping a bloody nose.
The cure is more deadly than the malady. No matter how you slice it, the
Non-AQ's live on the wrong side of the tracks and just having your own party
won't get you an inclusionary invite to the big dance on the other side of town.
Nor will it produce anything but laughter among the BCS elite.
I've been saying this for years. Go for it. The BCS will become so
non-irrelavent, they will be forced to concede. I also think to join the playoff
format they need to pay a fine. 10 million for each BCS conf. that would like to
join. After the first BCS league begs in, the fine goes up 5 million per year
for the other conferences that are stubbornly dragging their feet. Oh, and all
current BCS officials are banned from college football for life. College football Div. 1 playoffs would be more exciting than March Madness.
I was reading this and thinking the entire time "Is he not aware of the
Football Bowl Subdivision?" Then I saw Zona Zonza's comment. This solution would only solidify the BCS's argument. And you are missing one
key point about what happened with the professional sports league, neither one
was obviously better. They had two separate leagues and two separate
championships and they there was roughly equal talent. This is not
the case if your solution was implemented. People would just laugh at the
stronger FBS championship because it would still be inferior football. It
wouldn't force the BCS to take note, it would encourage them to laugh and say
"Ha! We won. Cartel maintained!"You should have run this
idea for an article by a few people before writing it. This would be a colossal
mistake on the part of the non AQ teams.
The only thing the Non AQs could do (excluding ND)is ALL TOGETHER refuse to play
BcS teams for one season down the road, that will force all BcS schools to play
each other for 12 straight games, and they will really hate that.That's all it would take, money making would be scarce for those FCS schools
and others, but that kind of sacrifice is the best option not yet discussed.BYU is on the frontier of other creative means keep in mind.
I think BYU and Utah fans are united in wondering why this article was written?
We don't want or need an NIT for football. For the upper tier teams from non-AQ
conferences this would make no financial sense, would not add prestige, and
simply has no positive outcomes.
Who won the NIT this last year? I don't know because I quite frankly didn't
care. As a Ute fan I hated the idea of a Non-AQ tournament when we were in the
MWC and I still do now that we aren't. Zona's right that this will feed the
BCS' argument that non-AQs don't deserve their spot with the "elite"
which is rubbish.Get rid of the stupid bowls and get me a playoff.
I'm tired of the popularity contest that exists to determine which SEC team will
play the prettiest Big 10/12 or Pac 12 team for the MNC.If the have
nots try to form their own playoff they may as well form a whole new Division
because that's in essence what they would become. I just want the NCAA to find
its spine and take back the post season they lost to this stupid monopoly that
is the BCS.
Bring it on. Lets pick the champion on the field, not in the elite sports
writers' minds (writers who I dare say probably haven't put on a uniform since
high school) or on some secret computer.
As a Ute fan I hated this idea when we were in the MWC. I agree with Zona this
argues that the Non-AQ's can't compete with the AQ teams which we know is not
the case. This would be like the NIT. Tell, me. Who won the NIT this year? I
don't know I didn't watch any of the games because in the grand scheme of things
it was the also-ran tourney and frankly, I just didn't care. I would rather
channel my energies into getting rid of the whole system that uses popularity
contests to see which SEC team will play either the winner of the Big 10, Big
12, or Pac 12. Put them all in a tournament and slug it out. If
I have to agree with Zona Zone. A Non-AQ playoff would be considered 2nd tier
just like the NIT in basketball and would serve to strengthen the BCS because
they would then feel that the Non-AQ's have their own post-season program so why
would they ever want to include them in their party?Legal action is
the only way the BCS will get taken down. Let's hope it happens sooner than
later. Bring down the evil empire that is the BCS!
That is exactly what we need. We need the equivalent of the NIT for football.
You have seen how much of a following it has in Basketball. Add to the comment
above, if the ratings for the FCS Championship were any indication of interest,
this would end up on ESPN 360, somewhere squished between water ballet and the
Curling championship.An NIT for football..... brilliant idea.
Form their own championship? And what money will they share? Most of these
programs are already a cost burden to their school/state, and most only have a
minimal to regional fan base at best.
That already exists, it's called Division I-AA or Football Championship
Subdivision. If the non-BCS form their own championship, it will just feed into
the BCS's argument the so-called Non-AQ's are subpar. To be honest, many
Non-AQ's are more I-AA than I-A. Looking in your direction, Utah State.
(Seriously, Aggies, who do you think you're kidding?) The only
remedy here is a legal remedy. The Sherman Antitrust Act needs to be invoked,
and the BCS should be fined severely and shattered altogether, but even that
will not guarantee a playoff. The real solution is to break up the power
conferences, but that's not going to happen.