JazzFanMontanaYou asked for a link showing where Enes Kanter has
knee problems. Unfortunately, the Deseret News does not allow URLs (links) to be
including in postings.Hopefully, however, they were allow me to tell
you that DraftExpress has a picture showing Enes Kanter wearing knee bands.
Players don't wear those unless they need them for support. That alone makes me
leery of drafting Kanter at 3.
I agree, Harris could change and we'll have to give him a chance but it's not
likely. If the Jazz draft Knight, maybe they can develop Knight and help him try
to look for his teammates first but its hard to change old habits.The same
could be said about Jimmer, but I think Jimmer will be more open to putting his
offense aside and forcing himself to be a facilitator vs scorer if for not other
reason than to prove to people he can.
@Bugoffi dont think harris would change...he has been like that ever
since the Mavs drafted him...even in his lone all-star appearance...he only got
there because he attempted a lot of shots and scored a lot of points...he is a
shoot first past later PG...this is why im never really high on him...
@Jesse Your comment is well taken. I teach and do research. I have used the
Jazz as a publication topic in the past. That way I can do a lot of research
about the Jazz and call it work. You are right Jimmer is best served
on a strong team that can develop him for a couple of years. He would also
benefit from a good match between the style of the team and his strengths. ORL
would be a very good team for him and his skill set and capability is similar to
Nelson's at least based on preliminary numbers. Backing up Nelson for a couple
of years would be good for him. I read earlier today there are 4
types of PGs. Scorers (Harris was used as an example. Kemba is another),
facilitators, (DWill) distributors and I forgot the last type. Harris shoots/drives first (inefficiently) and assists if necessary. That
hacks off everyone else on the team as they are support for the PGs ego. Inefficiency is Kryptonite for the Jazz. Harris and CJ are inefficient.
AJ was most of the year. The Jazz are losers if they are
inefficient. Harris could change?
I don't know how people can say Hayward can't play the 2. Over the last month of
the season he excelled, playing almost exclusively at the 2. Just the Laker game
alone, to me, proves that he is a 2. He outplayed Kobe on both ends of the
floor, something I have never really seen happen from a Jazz player since
Shandon Anderson dominated Kobe when he was still a teenager. He is also on the
skinny side still and defending 2's is much more favorable for him than guarding
3's.Bugoff: Sorry, not trying to attack you, but sometimes you just
get carried away with numbers. I used to think I was kind of a stat guy but you
take it to crazy levels at times. Obviously, Jimmer's pre-draft numbers are
going to affect his draft stock, but I don't think they will make or break his
career. Honestly, the further he falls in the draft the better. The situation he
falls into will be the biggest factor in how strong of a career he has.
Man Mike W what's your deal bagging on Fredette; did you bet on him in Vegas
only to lose out on a lot of cash????? Who else was going to help Fredette
consistently on Offense??? Emory at times but the load was on JF as we ALL know.
He played with such tenacity and poise and you can't argue that. He skills are
far above your listed wanna Be's. Burks can't shoot or play D. Can you imagine
for one second if Fredette played hardcore D every game??? He would have had
nothing left to lift his team on offense; the stud had to concern energy so the
Y could win......the pressure and load was on him every single game except the
bottom feeder teams-then Emory, Hartsock or Davies could lift and help.You should stop while your ahead on the subject b/c you aren't seeing the big
picture. JF will do great in the NBA and if we pass him up we will regret it in
my opinion. You watch he will impress and his stock will rise quickly. He will
only get better b/c of his heart....
@Old TimerI have watched Harris before...and im not sold on him as a
PG...so im asking you...have you really watched Harris?...why do you think
Dallas shipped him for an older Kidd?...and have you watched the british street
baller that left Devin Harris to dust on a pick up game?...all harris has is
Speed...he is not a good shooter...he isnt much of a game manager...he doesnt
distribute the ball well...if you like that in a PG...be my guest...its your
opinion...its just that...i dont think highly of him...D will didnt produce
because he was coming off the bench...if he was playing major minutes..who would
have easily produce well...the difference between CP3 and D-Will's rookie
season...CP3 played major minutes and started right off the bat...D-will...was
coming off the bench...having limited minutes...But i'd like us to draft a
wing...if not...it has to be Brandon Knight...and trade harris with the 12th
pick to either moveup...or grab a wing...
@ Mike W from Syracuse, UT--so what exactly are you drinking in your neck of the
woods? You know nothing about JF, obviously. Burks has athleticism and that's it
buddy.....He can't shoot the trey from long range and last time I checked we
desperately need shooters--you do remember that, right???. JF would be a great
pick up; you've obviously never seen him play live. Can't believe I just wasted
30 Seconds of my life even commenting on such pure ignorance. @G-ville ute(fitting)--another Ute fan to embarrass the rest. I echo
CocoNutzz, C ya....we just don't need fair-weathered fans like you, ever. Again,
I bid your farewell:) Thanks to all the positive posters out there;
I appreciate your input.....Go Jazz.
I cannot understand what all of you commentors and some of the network so-called
experts are doing when selecting either Knight or Walker. We do NOT need another
PG. None of you have had time and apparently not watched Harris much previously
or you would know that he is solid, and he is NOT old. A young PG will NOT
contribute the 1st year or two in this league, and we have all witnessed better
PG's in the past do the same. Anyone remember D-Will? He didn't either. Size
will never hurt you and that along with a wing or two through the draft or free
agency is where I would go. Watson can back up Harris and maybe next year go for
a PG, but not with a lottery pick this year please Kevin.
I'd be pleased with Knight at 3 and Singleton or Bismack Biyombo at 12, we could
use some defense. Things will probably change many times between now and
the draft but it will be fun and interesting to share opinions and read about
Does it matter?
Folks, Kanter is not close to 6'11", and he hasn't played a game in well
over a year. Odds are he's a lot closer to Arajuo than he is to Bogut. I'd
pick him too if he's there, and then try to trade Millsap for the rights to
Knight and/or an elite perimeter player, but desperate times call for desperate
measures.Everything I've read is Minny is strongly considering
Kanter at 2 if they can't trade the pick. Derrick Williams is the same size as
Millsap with a smaller work ethic, less interest in defense, and less experience
playing SF.I'm excited too, but Favors would be the number one pick
in this draft by lightyears, and Hayward would be the 5th pick at absolute
worst, prolly go 2nd if were coming off a second straight NCAA run, and Butler
wins if he's there. I'm excited too, but let's settle down, there
are no superstars in this draft.
The sickest part about the draft, is the fact that someone that gets passed up
on, or over looked, could end up being a star, it happens every year.No matter what happens, people will complain about whoever we pick, it seems
to be a natural response when the Jazz do not draft who we think they should.
Last year, I admit, I was one of those fans standing there at ESA
scratching my head when they announced the number 9 pick Gordon Hayward. Looks
like a good pick so far.My point is, you never really know, but I
still think no matter who we draft, we will be a better team next year.We still have CBA and hopefully a decent free agent or two will sign here or a
good trade to look forward to as well.Lets Go Jazz!!!
WhatsInITForMe: I hope your right.Getting the 3rd pick makes this draft
very interesting and much more exciting.There are alot of possibilities,
Knight, or Kanter at 3. Jimmer, Biyombo, Singleton, THarris at 12. Do players
that we might have considered at 6 still fit into consideration? Vesely,
Leonard, Jonas, Donatas, ? Hearing about the workouts will be interesting.
Captain L,Didn't you notice how Jimmer took personal some things
that happened in games, and simply beat the other player by scoring on him? He
did it more than a few times, against several mouthy players of different
teams.I think Jimmer's performance against New Mexico in that win
showed a lot.Jimmer's a fighter. Don't doubt him.As I've
said before, Jimmer's excelled at every level he's been at, in spite of the
naysayers, and his supposed lack of athleticism.Jimmer's driven. His
family saw it in him at a very early age. That's probably why his older brother
spent so much time helping him to succeed.Tapes don't measure heart.
Just ask Larry Bird.
How bout the Jazz trade up to 4...either giving up Al Jeff or Millsap...packaged
with next year's golden state pick...If Cleveland grabs Irving...and Minnesota
grabs Williams...we could have Kanter and Knight...plus a late 12th pick that
could be a diamond...but...i think i saw a post here...saying that...Cleveland
might go big with Kanter...that leaves irving to minnesota...that leaves us
williams...and they'll get knight...Cleveland would get most of what they
have...grabing a future stud PG and a beast big man...that leaves us the 3 we
need....if we could trade up with Cleveland offering next year's golden state
pick + Devin harris we could probably Snag Knight at the 4...giving us..probably
a better chance of having a solid young core...think about it...Al
JeffFavorsWilliamsHaywardKnightthis is a
tall lineup...if you asked me...a bit undersized at C...but...we make it up by
the length of our wings...If we did get Kanter and we traded Al Jeff and we got
KnightKanterFavors?HaywardKnightthere still the 3 spot hole...
We all know if the Jazz draft Jimmer it will be with the 12th pick. I just hope
he is still available so he is at least an option for the Jazz when they make
that pick. No one knows if he will be an all-star or a starter or even a good
role player for some team until we can see how he can performs at the next
level. But in this year's draft I sure think it's worth a risk taking Jimmer
with the 12th pick.
WhatsInItForMe: I agree with you about Hayward, anyone who watched him play the
last month or so of the season should have been able to see that he can play D
on the best of the 2's the league has.Even though I'm a big Jimmer fan and
hope for the best, I don't necessarily agree with your grand statements about
Jimmer, I hope your right and I feel he has a chance to be what you say BUT time
will tell. He's got to show us he can do it. Like I've said, I think Jimmer can
be a great point guard but some of that is hope, some of that is seeing his
skills/potential. Again time will tell.Bugoff: I agree with most of what
you said, I'm not a Walker fan, although he's a good player I don't think he is
what we need.LAJazzFan: I agree with what you said, it makes sense. Funny
how things that make sense are so difficult for some to understand.Marshon
Brooks has been showing very well in workouts. Thompson isn't very athletic.
I tend to think the Jazz need athletic taller shooters...They had almost know
three point threats on the team. Kanter could be risky, Knight might be the
guy, apparently KOC is very high on him...They could even consider a Nowitski
type player in Vesely..
There is a lot of biased Ute nonsense on Jimmer. Since expectations about his D
are low he will shoot up the boards on his combine stats IF1. His
vert is 36 inches. Tyreke Evans had a 34 inch vert at the combine.2.
His sprint is 3.3 or better. Brandon Roy was 3.27. Steph Curry was 3.28. DWill
was 3.25. Price was 3.29. They are all SLOW compared to Rose at 3.05. Further, wait for his work outs. That will tell if he can stay in front of his
man. BYU's defensive scheme is not something that should be the basis of
deciding IF Jimmer can play in the NBA. After a couple of workouts
the Jazz will know quickly if Jimmer is someone they want. He may or may not fit
the Jazz.If the Jazz go big with the 3 they will trade Millsap or AJ
during the next 2 years. If the Jazz go Knight (I do not see Kemba. He is a
short version of Harris) they will trade Harris. If they go big at 3
there is a good probablity they take Jimmer at 12.
Should read "Jimmers sprint is 3.3 or better".
I reviewed Knight carefully. He attacks as well as Harris, is bigger, smooth and
he can shoot from the outside. His weakness seems to be that he does
not see the court that well at times. That probably fixes with 2 years of
experience. He got better as the year went on. Some knowledgeable
people think Knight might eventually be better than Irving. I think
Knight is a good pick at 3. However, Williams, Kantor and Valanuinas might also
be good at 3. I don't like Kemba but get more info and wait for the
work outs. At 12 Leonard may be good if his shooting improves.
Jimmer may be good assuming his vert is 36 and is sprint is 3.0 or better. DWill
was 3.25. Price was 3.29. Burks is a slasher not a shooter and his D
makes Jimmer look good. He is a bad choice for the Jazz. Brewer with no D. Thompson is basically Korver. He can not stay in front of his man. The Jazz can get Vets who can shoot and defend for reasonable at
SF/SG.They need the right C and PG. They have next year's draft.
"Knight doesn't impress me as a future superstar. Just another CP3, who's
NOT a superstar, just an all-star PG."What????? You're
disappointed if Knight turns into just an all-star PG? Kinda like the guy we
traded away? I think that would be great value at the #3 to get an all-star PG.
"Jimmer was unstoppable in college"Well, that
is half true... but how much of his production was the ridiculous amount of
shots he put up? Again, as I've mentioned multiple times on here, STATISTICALLY
he is no better 3-point shooter than Brandon Knight, and no better than Klay
Thompson. Any of them put up 10 3 point shots, they all make 4, that is fact.
Start factoring in all around game and Fredette falls behind these guys rapidly.
The Jazz need to draft Knight/Irving/Williams with the 3rd pick. With the 12th
pick, we go with Jimmer/Burks/Leanord, Kanter may be a good player
in five years, but why draft a guy to sit at the end of the bench and try to
scrap for minutes?Our back court has to be priority number ONE!
After losing D-WIll, Wes Mathews, the back court has struggled to say the least.
Our Big guys are solid and there just is not a true Center in this
draft class,I say bring Fesenko back and give Memo those scrap minutes that any
big man would be fighting for. If Memo can play through the first half of the
season healthy and play well, this team will be fine.Please Jazz,
don't gamble on a big man.
Posters who think Jimmer performed poorly in his last half dozen games obviously
don't take into account the enormous pressure he was under as both a celebrity
(you lose time every day from that), and was his team's de facto scorer.AND, you don't take into account his injured calf in his last game. Jump
shooters can't be consistent with a bum leg.Just one BYU player
making just ONE play was all that BYU was away from advancing in the NCAAs.
Jimmer did his part. His teammates didn't show up.Not to make
excuses for Jimmer, but he had reasons for subpar games near the end of his
college career, but still scored over 30 in most of them, anyway.He'll open eyes in this week's combine.
Mike W,Hayward can't guard quick 2s? So Kobe is slow?Hayward befuddled Kobe the last time they played.Jazz fans have
always lamented not having a 2 who could match up with Kobe. Now, the Jazz have
their long-sought after 2 the Jazz have needed. He'll do just fine there, with
Miles as his backup (Miles would also back up the 3--he's interchangeable there
as a backup). Miles is not a starter.Knight doesn't impress me as a
future superstar. Just another CP3, who's NOT a superstar, just an all-star PG.
CP3 can't take over ANY game and win it for the team like a superstar can. He
might get hot against the right defense sometimes, but can't dictate his game to
just any team.Jordan and Kobe were/are defacto superstars. They can
be unstoppable MOST of the time, which is the criteria for being a superstar.
(No one's perfect.)Jimmer was unstoppable in college. Anyone who
thinks NBA players didn't come from college, and therefore Jimmer would be
stoppable in the NBA, don't have their heads screwed on straight.
"Since both have proven they can play the 2, why would we want to play them
at the 3 were they are at a disadvantage"Disagree... I'm not
sure either has proven they can play the 2 at a starting, 35-40 minutes per game
level. Hayward showed flashes late, but also had some struggles late as well.
I am nowhere near convinced he is a 2 guard, he is not athletic enough nor quick
enough for elite 2 guards. As a three, he gives up size at times, but the
matchups are more favorable athletically and Hayward's all-around ball
handling/passing at the 3, combined with in theory two good ball handlers in the
back court only enhances your team's offense. Think of Devin Harris, Brandon
Knight, Hayward, Favors and Jefferson w/Millsap, CJ, Okur and the #12 pick off
the bench (Burks/Singleton)... that is a nice foundation plus the money the Jazz
have coming off the books to spend. As for Millsap/Jefferson's weak
D, while I agree, there is no stopper you're going to get in this draft to clog
the middle...it isn't Kanter.
Do you guys really think that Knight is that much better than DHarris? I don't
see it. Give Harris a chance next year, and draft a PG next year (there will be
some good ones) if he doesn't pan out.Also, why is everyone in love
with Burks and Thompson? Personally, I think Marshon Brooks will be better then
both. Another thought at #12 is Singelton to replace AK's defense (and help
support the lack of defense of the frontcourt). I am interested to see how
Jimmer does in the camps to see if he is worth a look for a combo guard.If Canter's knees are NOT a problem, AND Irving and Williams are gone,
who is the better option at #3? Okur will be gone after next year, and AJ and
Milsap the year after that. If he works out, Milsap would be great trade bait
for a scoring wing (although I would hate to see him go). 6'11" guys that
can play don't grow on trees, but 6'2"-6'6" guys are a dime a dozen.
If the Jazz took Knight at the 3 spot, I'd like to see BB or Singleton or maybe
Tobias Harris at the 12, we need a 3 or a big, that can play D.
If the Jazz take Knight then obviously we wouldn't pick Jimmer but if we don't
take Knight with the 3rd pick I hope we take Jimmer with the 12th. There are
other players I like at 12 but Jimmer would give us what we need in the way of a
shooter and he has the potential to develop as a point guard.Like I said
Singleton could be an interestin pick, mostly because of his athleticism and his
Maybe I'm frustrated with Big Al and Milsaps defense, but both played very poor
D, last year and if Kanter is healthy I think he would end up being an upgrade.
Like I've said, the Jazz need to do their homework but if he's healthy, I think
we need to pick him.Then trade Big Al or Milsap and get the wings we need.
MikeW: Again your missing the point, Hayward is undersized at the 3, so is CJ,
KOC wants us be longer/taller at each position. Hayward showed he can play D on
the top 2's the last several weeks of the season. It's not a case of can Hayward
play the 3, he can, so can CJ BUT there on the short end and at a disavantage.
Since both have proven they can play the 2, why would we want to play them at
the 3 were they are at a disadvantage. Give us the advantage and play them at
I know Kanter is an unknown to some degree too, he hasn't played that much but
he's not unproven in the area he plays, the center/PF position. Knight hasn't
really shown he can be a disdributor/leader,true point guard, he's more of a
scorer, alot like Jimmer, I think Jimmer can be just as good as Knight and we
could get him at the 12 spot. Everything is kinda up in the air right now,
there are a lot of unknowns, Kanters health, Jimmers athleticism, can Knight be
a great point? Can Williams play the 3? I'd like to see the Jazz do there
home work on Singleton too, he's a great athlete than can play D and is an OK
shooter. How good could he be?I followed Tomic as close as I could thru
Chuck (Jazz Oracle), he's OK but questionable and not nearly as talented as
Kanter, IMO. I like Fes but I'm not sure the Jazz will bring him back. Elson I
hope they don't bring back. I'd like to see the Jazz use there #3 pick
onthemost talented biginthe draft.Unlessheproves unhealthy.
Captain L, I never said Hayward was not a good player, I think he has great
potential... I just see him a better fit at the 3 as I don't believe he has the
quickness to guard 2's as consistently. I'd love to see a lineup like:PG-Harris, maybe B.Knight SG-B.Knight/Burks/KThompson and CJ MilesSF-HaywardPF-Favors (w/Millsap and Okur backing the big guys)C-JeffersonI agree that I believe Derrick Williams could play the
3, he has good enough range and obviously incredible athleticism... if
Minny/Cleveland both pass on him, you cannot pass him up.
amgolfer: Your right, you and I usually agree on most things but I don't think
you read my comment correctly, I said IF,,IF, Kanter's knees check out OK/Heathy
then he is a player we should look to take. There isn't a top notch center in
the draft but Kanter can at least play center and he is very skilled. He's 6'11
and long. If Kanter is healthy, again I'm saying IF , IF, he is healthy, he
would be a better choice than someone we're not sure about his abilities, Kanter
would probablyhave been the # 1 pick if he had played last year. He's definitely
a player we should do all our homework on to see if he is healthy or not. If
he's healthy, he's too good to pass up. If the Jazz took Kanter, they would then
need to look to trade Milsap or Big Al. Any player not named, Irving,
Williams or Kanter is an uncertainty, I know Knight is liked and he's young but
he's unproven as a point guard. He is probably the next best player to pick
after thetop3 though.
MikeW: Your the one who is way off, you must not listen to the coaches or
broadcasters that are able to travel with the team and associate with them.
Hayward played most of his minutes last year at the 2, he has very good handles,
he's a good passer and makes others better. Both Hayward and CJ are better
suited to play the 2, KOC has said for years that when the Jazz draft or trade
or look to sign FA's they look to get longer and more athletic at every
position. Hayward is not the 3 of the future, he is the 2 of the future. Both
Hayward and CJ can play the 3 but both are undersized and overmatched at the 3,
especially against the top 3's in the league, like James, Durrant, Melo,
Granger, etc. At the 2 both CJ & Hayward give the Jazz the advantage KOC is
talking about.Watching Williams, I think he has the quickness and speed to
play the 3, I don't know how comfortable he is playing the 3, because he played
the 4 most of the time in college.
3d pick - Brandon Knight - Period.
I would love to see Derrick Williams on the board at #3. I'm not sure why most
people posting think he'd be a PF in the NBA, he's a SF all the way and would
give us some excellent scoring at that position.
Seriously people, this is big boy basketball, stop with the Jimmer love-fest.
Hayward is not a 2-guard of the future... if the Jazz or anyone on
here believes that, they are doomed to more mediocrity... he is a small forward
who can play a few minutes at the 2.Fredette, as great as he is, is
a man without a position in the NBA (ditto to some extent for Kemba Walker).
Klay Thompson's 3 point shooting is identical statistically to Fredette, go look
it up. To say Fredette is a much better shooter is simply homerism and ignores
that Jimmer plays totally out of control at times. Thompson is much bigger,
more athletic, and comes from a dad who played in the NBA. If Burks isn't
available at 12, Thompson is a great pick. Brandon Knight at #3
appears to be a no-brainer assuming Irving and Williams go first and second.
Knight isn't a great passer, but he's an explosive scorer who has good 3 point
range and could play point or 2-guard.Add Knight, Thompson and Tomic
from overseas and you have some great pieces to work with.
@Jesse I watched the film on most of the players I commented on. Both good and
bad film. Williams was a great college PF. He is an undersized NBA PF like Scola
who MIGHT be able to play the SF effectively. There are questions about his
ability to defend the perimeter especially against SFs. His first step is
average for PFs. He may get eaten by long quick SFs.Great college
players do not always make NBA stars. Jimmer is another example. Wait and see
how he does in the combine stats and in the work outs. Then you have a better
understanding of whether he might be able to play the PG. It is not
all about scoring you also have to be able to defend. @Mike W
Burkes CAN'T shoot or defend. Thompson can't stay in front of his man. He might
be okay as a Korver clone but the Jazz can get better from Vet players. I know Jimmer can shoot but I am waiting for more info on the rest of
the package. There will be a lot of movement up and down the board after the
g-ville ute | 11:12 a.m. May 18, 2011Grantsville, Utahi wont watch a
jazz game ever again if they pick jimmer Bye
i wont watch a jazz game ever again if they pick jimmer
Brandon Knight for sure.
The Jazz need someone who can light it up from outside period, Thompson is
nowhere near as good a shooter as Fredette, get real, don't forget his shooting
percentages were acquired against more double and triple teams than any player
has faced in years . Burks is not even decent with his outside shooting and
Brandon Knight going to be pretty good but not 3rd pick quality. Hayward is going to be a 2 guard so in case you missed the last Jazz/Laker
game he shut Kobe down as well as any Jazz defender ever has. As a matter of
fact maybe as well as anyone in the NBA did all last year. When he starts
getting a little respect from the refs people will be talking about his defense.
@CJMiles, I agree with you that after Williams and Irving it doesn't make a lot
a difference where you draft maybe even farther down than 6. Minnesota doesn't
need a 3 or 4 and they say their willing to deal, i'm thinking maybe this years
3 and next years GSWarriors pick might move them up 1 spot then pick Williams
and hope for Jimmer to be there at 12. If he's not trade the 12 for a couple of
later picks and pick up the 18 year old kid Lucas Nogueira from brazil and
someone else like maybe Reggie Jackson from Boston College. I think Nogueira a
legitimate 7' center will be the best player out of this draft 2-3 years from
We do not need size, stop talking about Kanter or the other big guys... where
are they going to play? You already have Jefferson and Favors occupying 35-40
minutes per game at the 4-5 spots... you DESPERATELY need athleticisn and
shooting from the guards and small forward. Hayward is your small forward of
the future. I'd take Brandon Knight who can play point or 2-guard with the 3rd
pick, and at 12 I'd take Burks or Klay Thompson... NOT Fredette. He's a man
without a position in the NBA and is a huge defensive liability. At least Burks
and Thompson have the size to guard 2-guards... Fredette cannot, and Jimmer
doesn't have the speed to play the point. He's a poor man's Steve Kerr, and we
need athletes. Thompson provides shooting as good as Jimmer, better size, and
better athleticism... Burks provides worse shooting (still decent), but superior
athleticism that leaves Jimmer in the dust.
Bugoff: Some times I question if you have ever seen the players you talk about
play, it all sounds like regurgitated numbers and thoughts from other people.
Watch some of the film on Williams from college, he can guard the 3. He is an
incredible athlete and will be a superior defender on the perimeter compared to
Millsap. Millsap needs to be the anchor off the bench, every elite team has one.
By the way, Minnesota doesn't have a need for Williams. They have
Beasley and they drafted Wes Johnson last year. They certainly don't need him at
the 4 either. They will be looking to trade that pick if they don't fall in love
with another player.
Williams can shoot the 3 well. But is he fast enough to defend the SF? Can he
play the wing in the flex?He is small for a PF and the Jazz do not
need a PF. Would he be better than Millsap at SF? He is quicker than most PFs
but will he excel at SF? Williams may drop a spot or 2 unless a team needs a
tweener. Does he really solve the Jazz problems at SF? Can he defend
the SF perimeter? Is he any better than Millsap, if Millsap improves
his shooting range? I am sure Millsap is working on range. I am not sure if
Millsap can improve his perimeter defense.
After watching both Jimmer and Kemba play, Walker will be a good PG for a team
that doesn't expect to go far in the playoffs each year. He might be quick, but
is smallish (thin), and can't shoot nearly as effectively as Jimmer. He'll get
eaten up by the likes of D-Will type PGs. RE: D-Will vs CP3!And keep
in mind, Walker was on a team that had other scoring talent. Jimmer was not.I get a kick out of how most posters here think a prospect is good at
"that" and such, as if those are reasons to draft a player high.It's all about finding the diamond in the rough. Historically, where
you're drafted seldom works out as to where you end up in an NBA career.Draft according to who you think will become a superstar or a top
all-star and you've taken the best approach.Trying to pick according
to minuscule issues is a good way to blind-side yourself.
Valanciunas may be one of the safer picks in the draft. He is very young, been
playing at a high level for a few years and is developing fast and well. He is
also 6'11" w/o shoes. At 240 and 18 he will add another 20-30 lbs. He could eventually be another Gasol with a little more weight. The medical staffs will determine Kantor's knees. Wait for the medical
exams. Forget Tomic. He has a 7 mill contract in Europe. He is not
coming over as he can't afford the buy out. He is also not that good. MN loves
Euro Cs trade him to them?
Do NOT draft Kanter! Don't need to take that risk! 1st Option: With Williams and
Irving most likely gone by the 3rd pick, the Jazz could snag Knight and work a
trade with Portland to pawn off Harris for Matthews. Harris is injury prone and
with Favors and Hayward being really young still a core lineup of these guys in
a couple years would be sick...KnightMatthewsHaywardFavorsof course you still have Jefferson, Millsap and possibly AK.
Jazz fans prepare for disappointment...not that it is all bad but last year KOC
got booed out of the stadium with his pick. Same type coming this
year, the Jazz team will do well but it might not be popular when the pick is
made.Lots of trade talk but the shortest lines in the NBA are teams
lining up to get the Jazz trash, ie Bell, Price, CJ, Fes, Elson
@JFFR: I just checked out the article by David Aldrige and spent some time
learning about Jonas Valanciunas. He is an attractive player, I have to admit. I
would not be upset if the Jazz took him over Kanter. I always love players with
a high motor and that is what his greatest asset is to me. He does rebound well,
blocks shots and scores even though he is not a polished offensive player. He
gets many of his points by simply hustling. That is the kind of player that
creates havock and starts runs. A player the teammates typically love. His
biggest knock is how skinny he is but reports say he is filling out pretty
quickly so he could actually be a good pick.Still, I see no credible
report about Kanter's knees. If anyone finds anything credible, please post the
URL in your post. I think many of us are interested in it.
Both CLE and MN are open to trading picks. CLE needs to use it's
James exemption of 14.5 mill. They can package that with the 4 pick to get a
good established Vet who can contribute now. They are taking Irving with number
1. They do need a C and could keep the 4 for that but who would that get?MN does not need Williams. Nor do they want another PG until they know
if Rubio is coming over. They need a C. They can drop down a spot and still
draft a C. They do not want to reach at 2, even for Kantor. The Jazz might be
able to trade the 12 to them for the 2? However, they are more likely to trade
CLE for the 4 IF they have anyone CLE wants. CLE would then use their exemption
to buy a Vet from a salary dumping team.Last year nobody would touch
Blair. He had NO knee ligaments. So far he is working out fine. Kantor will
probably drop a little based on medical exams. Some teams will back off.
Everyone is afraid of an Oden.KOC will draft safe.
Don't forget about Tomic who is coming in. You build around Favors. You get
Kanter and try to get Knight by packaging a trade with next year's lottery pick.
You dump the "dead wood" such as Miles, Price, Kirilenko, and a few
others. You use Jefferson and Harris as trade bait. You clone Milsap's
"heart" and you task Okur as a mentor to Kanter.
Commentors please think about our roster today! I don't think Memo is tradeable
until he proves(next season) he is healthy. If he is healthy he is worth the
salary being paid because you guys seem to forget how many games he won for us
with his shooting and he was getting better at driving and interior defense. So
he's a keeper, and so is Fess(1 more yr), now we have Tomic, what do all of you
think we are going to do there? Let him sit forever overseas? There are also
free agents out there with size like Chris Wilcox and Jonas Jerebko both
6'10" that are gutty fierce players. Also Marcus Thornton(6'4")&
Al Thornton(6'7"), Shannon Brown a real shooter, and slasher available for
not too much salary and they are proven wings. So I believe the Jazz have some
"very" big options to consider and hope they get it right. I prefer
exp & some youth but not just youth.
Kevin O'Conner is a genius. He looked really good when he made the D-Will trade
but this is fantastic for the Jazz. I think Favors and Harris for D-Will was
really good whether Dwill re-signed or not. Now we have a chance at another 3
pick. I wish I knew how good Harris could really be in the Jazz system. I am
thinking the Jazz will draft a point guard with the 3 since there are no great
centers and we have Jefferson, Millsap and Favors at power forward already.
@JazzMontanaTry David Alridge. He works for a pretty credible
company. Read the article about available centers.He has the Jazz
going for Jonas Valanciunas.
I don't know why, but Kanter makes me think of Sam Bowie. It just feels like if
the Jazz draft him they will someday regret passing on some other player.
a lot of speculation...a lot of who to draft...i would want us to trade
harris....if we do draft Knight....if we drafted Kanter...would that mean
Millsap would be the 3 full time or will he be traded for a legit shooting
SF?...are we going to trade up?...or trade down?...or trade for next year?...who
are we going to sign as free agents would depend on who we will get...and the
deals that are coming...KOC said he would listen to offers...but im really
excited for the Team...we might get Williams...for all we know...if we get
Kanter...something's gonna give...between the three current low post players we
have...and the looks of things it would be between Al Jefferson and
Millsap...hope we get either Kanter or Williams at the 3...and Jimmer at the
12...im hoping and praying that it would happen
I think everyone is overlooking Valucianias at this point. You need to see that
Favors is definitely worth building around, he has a midrange shot, i saw him do
everything at one time or another, you want to see him develop that offensive
part of his game it is raw but he is a unique talent at pwfoward.Valucianisa i heard compared to Camby, in my opinion, this is a better type of
player to put around Favors, Hayward, and Evans; someone who will be a defensive
captain for this team, I don't see him as Marc Gasol, though.At the 12, i
hate to say it, but the Jimmer seems like he could help the team, there are
other guards like Burcs too.
Sleeper pick at #12 if Jimmer is gone? Duke's Nolan Smith. I think
he'll be a terrific point guard off the bench in the NBA. He was fanastic at
Duke while Irving was out. I think he more than proved he can run the point.
He's a superb shooter and can get to the rack anytime he wants. He's a decent
passer. I look at Smith as Ronnie Price under control and for lesser money.
Kanter averaged nearly 17 boards per game in Europe. That's in addition to his
18 points per game average. I know the competition is weaker. I totally get
that. Still, the number of rebounds this guy collects from the center position
cannot be ignored. There's a reason Calipari and Kentucky twice appealed the
NCAA's decision to not allow Kanter to play last year. Kentucky wanted this kid
Jazz can't even decide on their color let alone what they need. Get rid of the
dead wood - Okur , K47 and free up a huge amount of money to go get a good low
post person. Clean and simple. That's why the Aggies never get anywhere in the
tournaments. No big men that can walk and talk at the same time. There's got to
be an offensive line man that can match up with big babby for heavens sake.
Actually Walker slashed inside, shot a poor percentage and relied on his bigs to
go get the rebound and reset for him. I remember the tournament game where he
shot poorly and he did dish to his bigs but mostly he is a slashing volume
shooter. Inefficiency is Kryptonite for the Jazz. Harris and AJ are
not efficient. AJ improved after Sloan and DWill left. Harris may improve next
year but I will be surprised. HoopsWorld has the Jazz taking Kanter
and Valaniunas 3rd and 12th. I could see one but not both. Kanter could be a
better version of AJ? Valaniunas is probably a safe solid pick based on his play
in Europe.It may pay to trade the Wizards the 3rd for the 6th and
18th picks IF the new CBA has a hard cap. Draft picks will be a premium under a
hard cap as they represent cheap talent.
I'd love to get Kanter and The Jimmer!!
Perhaps the jazz could flip flop picks with the cavs (3 & 4) and somehow get
semi erdan out of the deal as well. I don't think you lose too much & you
would gain at minimum a decent backup big man 7' who could very well be a
Korver could not defend. However, he could shoot. He alone opened up the inside
and made the flex work. There are no proven shooters in this draft
except Jimmer. The Jazz should take him because he can shoot. The Jazz have to
open up the inside and Harris can't do it. CJ is erratic and Hayward has yet to
prove himself. Besides you want the PG, SG and SF to be able to
shoot. Spacing is crucial. That has KILLED the Jazz. Get the spacing right and
Then AJ can work inside. Millsap's game improves. Favors sky rockets. If the
Jazz have Kantor or Valaniunas they develop faster.Jimmer will
eventually develop as a PG. After watching Kidd play tonight Jimmer should be at
least as good at PG as an old Kidd. He can't be much worse.
@Dustin: I think you pretty much nailed it. I would love Williams also and if
he's available, you take him 3rd. Remember, the T-Wolves are
horrible at drafting so don't be surprised to see them pass on Williams allowing
him to fall to the Jazz at 3. Lady luck has been on our side so far, lets hope
@amgolfer: I have researched and looked and nothing is being said from credible
sources that say his knees are likely going to be a problem. Again, no one has
come to the table with a credible source. Personally, I was not a huge fan of
Kanter until I sat down and started looking at him more seriously. I
have been watching videos and learning all I can about him. I agree with some
others on here that many of the picks are a crap shoot. Almost every prospect
has multiple negatives. Many lack shooting ability, most of the euros cant
defend or rebound and lack toughness (except Kanter). Others are extremely raw
and need lots of work offensively etc... Kanter simply seems to have
one of the most polished games in the draft which in my opinion makes him less
risky. Honestly, even Irving and Williams have question marks. Williams does not
have a high motor and seems to lack the quickness needed for the SF position in
the NBA and too small for the PF position.Maybe its you that should
do your research....
Big Deal, there are no studs in this years draft. The top 13 players could be
drafted in any order with most being underclassmen or lesser known European
kids. O'Conner just has further to fall by botching the #3 pick. I'll bet anyone
that the Jazz second pick of the 1st round will be around longer than the top
pick. To the dreamers out there just look at the history of the Jazz and their
1st round picks, only a few are still on the team an NBA low. If you take out
Gordo the guy will the Cross Country runners body, you have just AK who is the
NBA's most overpaid player, max play for 10 points a game, playing half a season
at a time.To the fellow who claims KOC is the top GM in the league, ever hear of
some Ainge guy in Boston or the Mitch dude in LA, or the Riley guy in Miami?
@CocoNutzz that is very astute. Jackson is likely to be a very good PG. The Jazz
could trade down and get him. @Amgolfer. I just do not like Kemba.
He is undersized and his game is mostly slashing to the rim and then dishing to
his bigs. I am a firm believer that the Jazz HAVE to have outside shooting at
the SF, SG and PG in order to contend. That is why I am not high on Harris. His
style does not fit the Jazz. He can't open up the inside like DWill could. To me this whole draft including Irving and Williams is risky. Irving
has almost no game record. Williams is a tweener. How will he perform in the NBA
against bigger faster players. The key is to get players who fit
your system and existing players. Sloan was good at that but over emphasized
intangibles at the expense of talent. I am not sure KOC is all that good at
drafting/trading for players who fit the Jazz system. Look at AJ and
Harris. Neither one of them fit the Jazz. Corbin might be able to adapt the
system to them?
I'm not sure a scoring center is what we need. We've had that for several years
in Okur and Jefferson. I don't see how Kanter would change that. Williams
would be amazing if he can play the 3. Jefferson, Okur, Favors, Milsap, with
Williams at the 3 would be a force to be reckoned with. However I don't see
Irving or Williams dropping to 3. We will probably be stuck choosing between
Knight or Kanter.Everyone at #12 is going to be a gamble at that
point. Truth is that nobody knows whether Fredette will be a star or a bust.
Someone will have to take a chance on him. However, if the gamble pays off with
Fredette, it will pay off big time. I don't see any other players at 12 having
as much NBA potential as Jimmer. He is worth the gamble. Side note:
If the Jazz draft Jimmer and Kanter it would be funny to watch both of them
together. The two look almost exactly alike. Jimmer would be like Kanter's
The Wizards have the 6th and 18th pick. The Jazz might be able to trade the 3rd
pick for both of those. I am not say they should. I am only suggesting it as an
option.Some combo of Williams, Kantor, Valanciunas, Knight will be
available at 3. The Jazz will probably take one of them. Draft
Express has the Jazz taking Knight and MN taking Williams. They still have the
Jazz taking Burks at 12 but I absolutely see not reason for the Jazz to take a
SG who can't shoot nor defend. They are not that dumb. DE has Kantor
going 8th to DET and Valanciunas 4th to CLE. Lets see some work outs
before we get excited. I want to see Jimmer's combine stats and see how well he
can defend when it counts. I might warm up to Walker or Leonard if
they can improve their shooting.
Bugoff, throw out the numbers. I will be livid if we draft Walker....Would you
really want him??? Put the numbers aside and answer from your own heart/mind.
MontanaJazzMan--I agree w/ you about Fredette; I am biased but he will be good.
He spreads the offense and is a serious 24/7 threat from downtown. I has heart
and is a very very intelligent bball player. We would be lucky to get him. Great
pickup at #12. I think he may be gone as I know other teams will be looking
seriously at him....I hope he lands in Utah...eventually, all the naysayers will
be eating their words that bashed him.If we can't get Irving or
Williams then I say we trade our #3 and put together a package and get a proven
C or SG.....I am will to take a risk on Kanter and I don't see us landing him.
I see Cavs getting Irving for sure and T-Wolves getting Williams.
T-Wolves would be idiots to pass on Williams...don't see it even with Beasely.
These two guys are the cream of the crop in this year's draft and everything
below them is a crap shoot as I have stated many times. This truly is a very
weak draft and I hope you can see it.
Everyone says there is a big drop off after 2, but I'm not so sure. I think
there will be at least one more player who will move up and contend for the #1
overall. Kanter, Knight, and Leonard all have huge upside and one of could
impress enough in workouts to get inside the top 2.Also, if the cavs
go with Williams, will Minnesota really draft another point guard?I
don't know who the Jazz will pick, but I it will be the best player available
regardless of need, and that is exactly what they should do.
Reggie Jackson is your late first round pick bugoff.
Mr. Montana.....listen do your own research and homework on this--as we all
have. I hardly doubt many many scouts, NBA teams are lying about this very
issue. AJ is 7 years older than Kanter and is proven NBA worthy. It's a moot
point my friend. I don't think your understanding my posts as I have never
stated I think he is a shabby type player. I have always given Kanter mad props
regarding his very polished skills at 18. The point is he's a very big RISK and
I don't think we should gamble on him. Hence, who goes then? AJ, Favors or Sap?
We don't need a fourth PF option my friend. Think about the "whole"
picture before jumping on the Kanter bandwagon. @CJ Miles--I hope
you read my post prior to your comment.... as I pretty much duplicated it...
It's a crap shoot after #1 or 2 which only involves Irving and Williams. I agree
with NO more Euro's....had it with that. I do like JF at #12. If we simply can't
get Irving or Williams look for a great trade. Peace.
@Amgolfer: I never said I would take Kanter over Williams. I simply said Kanter
would be a great pick at number 3. However, if Williams is magically available
when we pick at number 3, I would be ecstatic and I feel the pick would be
slightly better for the Jazz. Looking at the situation, it could
happen cause the T-Wolves really wanted Irving and already have a SF in Beasley.
That could mean they take a chance on Kanter and the Jazz end up with Williams.
That would be awesome. I hope that happens, however, I think Kanter would be a
great pick as long as we can pick up Jimmer at the 12th pick or possibly trade
up to 9th, 10th or 11th to ensure they get him makes sense to me also. I honestly think Jimmer is one of the only for sure things in this draft. Many
will think I'm crazy but honestly, I think Jimmer will be a better player than
As I posted the Position Adjusted Win Scores for American college players
earlierWalker 13.97Leonard 12.90Jordan Hamilton 12.52Jimmer 12.37Klay Thompson 12.19Travis Leslie 11.60Nolan
Smith 12.37Singleton 11.12Holiday 14.09 A sleeper and probably late
in the 1st round.They are all PGs or SG/SFs. I would
scratch Thompson for defensive reasons. Singleton is a project making slow
progress on shooting. 49% FT shooter. He is not a slasher. Jimmer is
a much better shooter.Hamilton would be ideal for the flex but he
has a me first attitude and is not a particularly good defender. Hamilton is a
mixed bag as a slasher. His first step is not great. he can hit 3s. The Jazz may want to trade down. Does anyone have a couple of late 1st round
@Amgolfer: Again, show me the URL. I cant find it. Plus surgury over 2 years
ago? How is that different from Jefferson? An injury is an injury. It happens. I
can't find anything talking about knee problems recently anywhere so how is it a
problem? 2nd: This kid can help a pro team right now. Look at the
scouting reports and watch his videos on YouTube. He has superior post moves and
will not have to sit long before being able to help a pro team. I just don't see
how you can pass this kid up if he is available at the 3rd pick. Many are making
the argument that he would be the unanimous top pick had he played this year at
Kentucky. Also, he was able to practice on a daily basis at Kentucky and reports
state he was dominant in practice against other Kentucky bigs. Even
if he ends up playing PF, quality bigs are hard to find and if you can have a
talented big coming off the bench like him, you have a really good chance of
competing for a title.
Does anyone on here really think the #3 pick is any better than the #6 pick?
After Irving and Williams this draft is horrible. With this draft, taking
Jimmer at the #3 isn't much of a risk. At least he can score. Flip a coin,
choose someone and hope it works out.I wouldn't waste the pick on a
Euro. Take the best point guard available. Then take the best player available
at the 12th spot. If it's Jimmer, then take him.It's normal for a
team to draft the best player available and then make some trades to fill in the
holes. Please stay away from the Euros in the draft. They are too soft. AK
fine example. Memo fine example.Are there any shooting guards worth
taking in this draft?
first time i get to watch the lottery proceedings live on tv and it was
exciting. especially when it was announced that another team will pick at
supposed-to-be utah's picking number. and yeah, i was soooo hoping we get the #1
pick. i was a bit disappointed we didn't get the #1 pick but it's great we moved
up to 3...
Listen, if we can't pull of some serious magic and get either Irving or Williams
in this draft then let's try and make a trade w/in the league and bring over
something nice; a polished, proven player who can feel a huge void at either C
or SG......At #12 get JF if available. He is a lot better shooter
than Burks....@Bugoff--I rather stick with Harris and take my
chances on him then draft Kemba. Let someone else take this very undersized
If you look at Millsaps numbers at SF they are bad (see 82 games). He is not an
SF. He can play limited minutes of SF in certain match ups. Millsap's worth is
going to be in his outside shooting. He will extend his range. He can also play
inside. He is better as a 6th man. There is no C of the future in
this draft. The Jazz are stuck with AJ. He has to improve his shooting
efficiency, rebounding, passing and defense. He is a little below average as a C
but he is better at C than at SF. I would take a very hard look at
Valanciunas with the 3 pick. He is a rival of Kantor without the knee problems.
He is only 19 and will fill out and gain weight over the next few years. He is
good on cuts and pick and roll. He is the anti thesis of AJ. His low post game
is weak. He is an 83% FT shooter. He is a decent defender but needs more weight
with back to the basket types (not that many left in the NBA). He
could be another Gasol.
@MontanaJazzman....Kanter over Williams?????? Are you mad? With all due respect
and it's intuitively obvious to me that that you don't really know the the whole
Enes Kanter story. Please research him and do a little homework before posting
on him??? When have you seen him play, lately? He is a dang good baller at 18
but that's just not good enough in my book; what else is on his resume?
Nothing.... He is 18 and has a serious medical hx regarding his knees. It's a
huge risk and why would we want another 6'10 big guy? We have 3 already....too
much of a long jam. Get a TRUE big man through trade or whatever...Enes is not
the answer.....Don't get me wrong as he could be great one day....if a team is
very patient. He must prove he can bang and have his already troublesome 18 y/o
knees hold up against the best...it's a very huge risk...you want to take that
on? Scary partner.....18????
@JFFR: I have looked around but I have yet to find a credible source that is
specific about the knee problems for Kanter. Most of the stuff I found is on
blogs similar to this one. How bout we let the doctors test him at the combine
and see how he looks then rather than spreading potentially false rumors or
lies. Also, Knee injuries happen at any age. You show me a credible
source with details about his knee problems, how the injury happened and that
they are potentially chronic, post the URL hear so we can all become a little
more educated. I just can't find it. So if it's that hard to find, it may be
more of a rumor than real.
@JazzfanMontana--no doubt Kanter is polished for being only 18 y/o. Please look
harder as you will find his medical hx regarding his knees. I believe he had his
first issues at the age of 16 (surgery?? I have heard) This is not good. He
hasn't played hardly any organized bball and the NBA is a different breed. He is
NOT a Center and NO taller than 6'10; we have enough at that size, period. No
doubt he will be good IF healthly....key word is IF and that's a huge risk for
anyone. I don't like that risk at 18....no way. If he can stay healthy and a
team can be very very patient he could be very good indeed.....possibly an
All-Star one day; but this is not the issue at hand...no one doubts his ability
and talent for such a young age...Get Irving or Williams if you can;
everything below them is a crap shoot anyway. Weak draft altogether as many have
said already.... #12 JF or work a great trade and get a proven #5 Center or #2
Package pick 12 and something else for Irving!
@JazzMan and Amgolfer: The biggest problem most Euro players have is toughness.
They generally shoot the ball pretty well facing up but often don't play defense
have a post game or rebound well. Kanter is different. He's tough, physical and
he rebounds well, has a great post game etc.. he really does play much more like
an American than a euro player. Kanter is simply different than most euro
players. I will be really happy with Williams or Kanter. If we take Williams, we
may need to let Kirilenko go. If we get Kanter, we should try and keep Kirilenko
and shift Millsap and Kirilenko in at the SF position.
Vesely is a weak defender especially out on a wing and gets attacked by most
coaches in Europe. Biyombo can't shoot, fouls a lot and is another
undersized PF. He will have to back off his aggressive play to stay on the floor
in the NBA. Millsap is a much better shooter with range. Burks is
Ronnie Brewer with worse defense than Jimmer. He is a penetrator but he can't
shoot and his defense is in the bottom 1/4. Leonard may be okay IF
he can develop his shooting. He is not a great outside shooter. Thompson can not stay in front of his man. The Jazz need SF/SGs
who can shoot and defend and that DOES NOT EXIST in this draft. Jimmer can shoot. He is not a particularly good defender and I do not see him
as a wing. He is a PG. Does he fit the Jazz?Go big or go
Knight/Walker with the 3. Go Jimmer/Leonard with the 12? OR trade
one or both picks for developing players/Vets who can shoot and defend.
Kanter's a real risk at number 3. Bad knees are usually what ends NBA careers.
It's not a good sign when the guy you're looking at already has bad knees.My bet is that the Jazz will not pick Enes Kanter at 3.
First off, the Jazz biggest need is clearly the shooting guard. Raja is too
old, CJ is too inconsistent and Hayward is best at small forward, too big and
not athletic enough to guard most 2-guards like Kobe/Wade. The front line is
pretty stacked with Big Al, Millsap and Favors. I'd go with Brandon Knight at
#3 who could be PG or a decent shooting guard who can handle the ball. Then, if
he is still there, I'd take Alec Burks at 12, a legit 2-guard with great
athleticism that the Jazz desperately need. Obviously, if Kyrie Irving or
Derrick Williams slip past the top two, you gotta take one of them.
@JazzFanMontana, look harder. Its all over the place. Also, he's 18 years old
and already had knee surgery? That should be a red flag.
Wow, poor Jazz, they finally get some luck, yet most analyst state that this is
the worst draft class in over a decade, not one sure star in this draft. They
finally get a high pick and this class is lacking huge talent. I hope they find
a diamond in the rough from Europe, and please, don't pick provo players.
Remember the last time the Jazz had a provo player on their roster, yea, Arajuo
was super! Don't make that mistake.
@Captain L--totally disagree with you brother. So we need another small Center
in Kanter? What is he 6'10? You think he can bang with the best in the NBA with
his 80 y/o knees? Doubt it. He has talent but so did Memo and AK--not good
enough anymore. We are stacked with undersized big men that can't truly play the
Center position--don't need another in Kanter. We have AJ, Favors, Sap and Fes
right now. Bottom line is Kanter is a HUGE risk. We need a TRUE center and
outside shooting....just don't like Kanter.. Oh, we will eventually need a PG as
it start's there anyway. Most don't think Harris is the future and I agree.
Short-term, yes but not long-term. Get Williams or Knight at #3 and even better
work some magic and get Irving--oh ya:-). I agree with you on getting JF at
#12...if gone, get Burks.....has upside and I like better than Singleton.Captain L, months ago you were huge on Vesely and others....changed it
Kanter has Knee problems? I cant find anything that states he has knee problems
that are of any long term concern. All I could find is that he had a knee
surgery a couple years ago that put him out for about 6 months and has also hadh
some tendonitis in the past. Tendonitis usually goes away with rest and does not
seeem to be an ongoing problem from what I can tell. This does not seem like a
big problem to me. Jefferson had a major knee injury a couple years back and
looks great. Millsap was dealing with tendonitis as well. I just don't see this
as a big deal. If anyone can show me where this reliable source talking about
specifics on Kanter having bad knees, please post it cause I cant seem to find
Hey, do not forget about Tomic lurking in Europe (the next Pau Gasol according
to some and the FIBA Europe MVP last year). He makes Kanter irrelelvant. The
Jazz have rights to him starting next season, but will not exercise them if the
lockout goes too long. Read up on Jan Vesely, a 6'11" SF who is a logical
pick at 3. He is an AK that is even longer and taller than AK (AK will cost too
much and I give him less than 20% chance of returning). Take the 6'6" PG/SG
Burks from Colorado at 12 (said to be the best outside shooter in the draft)and
how does this lineup look for versaitlity:C: AJ/Tomic/MemoPF:
AJ/Favors/ Millsap/Memo/EvansSF: Vesely/CJ/Evans/Millsap/HaywardSG:
caliber, who knows? But definitley a young and very versatile lineup that could
give fits with tough-to-defend lineups against almost any opponent.
@Shaybo--JazzMan was just making a point and it's dang hard to refute it. Again,
it was purely generalized and I think most got that. He commented on Dirk (you
must have missed that) and I added the Gasol brothers. Sure, we can break this
down and waste a lot of time but there are more stiffs than greats....can't
argue that. There are other good Euro's in the league(not great) but good....no
doubt. Take his comment for what's it's worth as I did....jazzman was
correct.Oh, Shaybo, last time I checked Ginobili was from Argentina
my friend. Not a Euro and I don't think he considers himself one:-)
Kanter's the man, I don't think you pass him up unless his knees don't prove
healthy.I like Jimmer at 12, but I also like Singleton at 12, he's long,
athletic, and a great defender.We would need to look to trade Big Al or
Milsap if we take Kanter, but that could be a big plus, KOC could try to get a
player he already knows is the kind of player we need.
@ shaybo - last time I checked Ginobili was from Argentina....definitely not
If Kanter's knees prove healthy, he's the pick, he's 6'11, long, good rebounder
(which we need) and he has a great offensive game. We need a center and Kanter,
Favors or Big Al can all play the 5, plus all 3 of them can play the 4, Kanter
has the best offensive game of the bunch. The more I think about it the more I
like Kanter. If they took Kanter then Big Al or Milsap could be used to find a
athletic 3, that can shoot. At 12 I think Jimmer would be a good pick, he
gives us great outside shooting and he'll develop as a point guard, he can back
up Harris for a yr or 2, like Stockton did with Ricky Green.I do like
Fords pick for us at 12 though, Singleton, 6'9 3man very athletic, and a great
This is a great situation for the Jazz. Here are some thoughts. Do
not try to move up for Irving. He has only played 11 games in college. He has a
lot more risk than most admit. He will be good. Will he be great? William would make a great SF. The Jazz DO NOT need an undersized PF Period.
Kantor? Maybe, it depends on his knees. Valanciunas might be an
alternative to Kantor. Big V is 7 foot in shoes with a self reported 7' 6"
wing span. Going K or V means Millsap or AJ are moving in the next 2
years. The Jazz would be very big and good inside with Favors, AJ, K or V and
Millsap.Maybe trade the 3rd pick for a proven SF/SG with a decent
salary? Walker and Knight are the highest ranked PGs. Walker is a
Jr. His outside shooting may improve. He looks like a clone of Harris to me. I
am waiting to see if Harris can actually run the flex? Knight is a Fr. He should
develop into a very good traditional PG. I think he has more upside than Walker.
@JazzMan--amen man. I am sick and tired of all the naysayers wanting another
Euro that is too weak or will stay in Euro for another two years to develop (aka
Tomic).....I want to win soon and not wait on someone to develop overseas...not
working out in the long run. As you said Nowitzki is the exception....what a
stud. Gasol brothers as well. I just don't want Kanter as I'm worried about his
knees and getting hurt; could care less about his talent/skills--can't use them
without good health/knees.Scaleman--I agree in that AJ is not a TRUE
Center; is in not only small but he doesn't bang an gets eaten alive....it
amazing more people don't see this. The elite teams that are big destroy him
underneath.... not quantum physics.
@weaksauce(fitting)-are you insane? Did you watch any NCAA hoops over the year?
Jimmer hater? TO machine huh? I can't believe I'm even commenting on such
ignorant remarks. Kemba Walker huh? You think he is the answer? Maybe Knight but
NOT Kemba or another Euro. If Jimmer is available get him at #12. I like Burks
as well. Can't go wrong with either. Enough bashing of JF.....get's real old
and shows your lack of bball knowledge, seriously.I like Williams at
#3 but if we could somehow pull off some magic and get Irving I would be
elated...real deal. I agree w/ many that after the first two a crap shoot. You
never know as I have always been high on Irving...amazing.Look at #1
Irving, 2. Williams, 3. Knight (don't like Kanter as I worry about his knees;
has game but a huge risk). #12 get Jimmer or Burks. I am biased and would go
with Jimmer...he can shoot lights out and has a high BBall IQ/HEART-no one can
argue that. Let's get it done Jazz brass.
C'mon guys! Who's the next superstar in the draft? (I won't mention names--you
know who I like.)If the Jazz pick anyone that's a project, has bad
knees, can't play defense, etc., (any one of those types of things), with their
#3 pick, they're dumb.I doubt that the Jazz brass are dumb. They'll
get someone who can help very soon at #3 then use #12 for the
"project."If the Jazz believe that there's a future
superstar in the draft that doesn't go in the first two picks, they'll take that
player.If they don't pick Jimmer first, I doubt he'll be available
by the 12th pick.Or, maybe they can trade up their #12 to get a
better shot at two good players who'll stick with the team (a future all-star
caliber SF and The Jimmer).Good luck seems to be following the Jazz
lately. Hope it continues.
Lets hope that Minnesota does something crazy and we end up with DWill :)Wouldn't that be a great ending to the DWill trade?Oh wait!
That wouldn't be the ending, we'll be in the lotto again next year :) O'Connor
is a genius!
@jdaliix, Big Al is the worst defender at the #4 in the NBA and brings your
offense to a stand still when he has the ball, he is not above being
tradeable.@markogarp, I don't know where you got your info on Burks
but the book on him is he can't shoot from outside. Also we also have the guy
that is going to be a premier shooting guard in Hayward.@jazzman,
you mean the eurostiffs like Ginobili, Nowitzki and others?@mornixuur, Streaky? Your Ute colors are showing through.
Kanter, Valanciunas, Vesely, Motiejunas?? Why do these mock drafts keep sticking
us with these soft eruo stiffs? Name one Euro not named Nowitzki that has been a
star in this league. They're not, they never pan out. Get someone that can be a
star. Kentuckys Brandon Knight is so young but I think he might develop into
something in time.
They have to figure a way to get Williams. He was a 4 in college but he will be
a great defensive 3 in the NBA. I love AK, but Williams might give us a tough
minded version of what AK once was (and maybe stay healthy too). Just look at
the 3's in our division: Durant, Gay, Beasley, Chandler/Gallinari & Wallace.
We certainly need an upgrade. No need to trade Millsap either.
Convince him his role needs to be as our 6th man, backing up the 3 and 4. Pick
up a scorer at the 12 spot and you could have a great bench with Millsap, CJ,
and Burks/Jimmer? I just don't see the need to trade a bunch of players (unless
we can dump Memo), we can start winning now.
Jefferson is not the answer at center. He is not big enough, nor does he stay
between the offensive player and the basket often enough. He has said he prefers
power forward, and I think he will be an excellent power forward in the NBA for
years to come. Unfortunately for him, with the addition of Favors, I think Al is
now the second best PF on the Jazz. You guys that want to see Fes go, I say give
him one more year. Just one. He is needed just for depth next year. If Corbin
gives him major minutes and he doesn't improve, then I see the Jazz definitely
going for a center next year if they don't go for Kanter this year. And Kanter
is not going to start right out better than Fes anyway.
What a "sweet" night. Everyone has their choices now and will have
more in the coming weeks before the actual draft takes place. Workouts,
medicals, and personal interviews will play big in the decision making I'm sure.
My personal choice would be at this time(and that can change) would be to pick
at #3 whoever Sacramento wants in a trade scenario, with them picking at #7 who
we want and that would be Bismack Biyombo @6'9" & 240lbs with a
7'7" wingspan, that scenario would also include one of their roster payers
at a position need we covet to make up for giving them our #3 pick. Then with
the 12th pick I would take Alec Burks from Colorado or once again trade that to
another team with another veteran we covet along with a couple of our expendable
players now on our roster for their or that player. Really not as complicated as
it sounds, it's just wheeling and dealing big time. Good luck whatever Jazz.
The Bull from Istanbul is a no-brainer if Williams is gone. Enes Kanter broke
Dirk Nowitski's scoring record at the Nike Hoop Summit in 2010. He dropped 34
points on Team USA. The kid is a beast down low. He works hard, has nice
moves, and plays smart. #12? The Jazz desperately need a
three-point threat. Either package the pick or take The Jimmer.
Let's not get too excited about moving up to #3, after Williams and Irving who
are the cream of the crop the next 5 or 6 you could pick out of a hat. For those
of you that are so high on Kanter, he is very likely to take a place on the
injured list right beside Ocur, then your left with Jefferson and Kfez just like
this year. We need to move up at least 1 spot if we want someone that can help
right away.@ouisc & DLedger, I don't see how those 2 would make
us any better, Knight to sit behind Harris and Leonard a small forward that
can't shoot. Lets all tune in to the Combine Thursday morning at
8:00 on espnu a see what shapes up.
Great news! I am very excited to be a Jazz fan and not one of those
other "Lotto" teams. The Jazz are going to get some game
changers with this years draft picks and have a chance to elevate this team for
years to come. Talk about moving forward!! Way to go KOC! It seems
so recent that the Jazz starting line up had D-Will-PG, Wes Mathews-SG, AK-SF,
Boozer-PF, Memo-C and lets not forget our Hall of Fame Coach Sloan have all been
replaced.I can only be hopeful for a huge Jazz turn around and it
starts by fixing the back court, perimeter play is awful, Bell has lost a step
and who knows what AK will do, so I can only hope that the Jazz can replace both
players with this draft. If the Jazz don't think that Harris can run the team,
maybe we draft PG? Maybe a big trade? If we use the 3rd pick on a big man, I
think we would be wasting our pick unless it is used for a trade of some kind.
Looking forward to seeing new players light a fire! Go Jazz!
@Calgary: Have you even watched Kanter videos? He has a diverse offensive game
which Kosta never had. The comparison isn't even close. The bad knees is a
legitimate concern but I am not to worried about his athleticism at all. This
kid has a polished offensive game and will be a very nice scorer in the NBA. He
uses his strength and body very well, has an awsome drop step, has a nice mid
range jump shot and can put the ball on the floor. He also runs the break quite
well, shoots free throws and rebounds well. The only thing he does not do well
is block shots. Kanter dominated Sullinger from Ohio State in the World against
USA best high school game. Sullinger is not a small guy just in case you have
not seen him. Sullinger is projected a high lottery pick next year and Kanter
@Kyle loves BYU/Jazz: You might be rightThe T-Wolves just might take Kanter
since they already have Beasly. That pick actually makes sense and that would
allow Derrick Williams to fall to the Jazz. I would love that pick. Wow, that
gets me even more excited about this pick. I will be happy with Kanter or
Williams but I do think Williams fits our needs better. That would be amazing.
Jazz should stay away from Kanter. He is way overrated, not athletic, has bad
knees and was dominating his age competition just because he was bigger and
heavier then other kids, put him with men and he will have his shot swatted
every other time. Same like Kosta Koufos and Kosta was better shot blocker and
more athletic. No no no to Kanter!!! If they go big they should get Valanciunas,
he won't help right away but in couple years he might be Camby type player
anchoring paint. And please no Kemba... I would be ok with Knight,
Vesely or Leonard if they do not want Center.
Well, I'm extremely biased as you can see from my login handle. Given that, my dream scenario for the Jazz would be to trade big Al and
Millsap, and maybe even Harris and maybe even next year's 1st pick for
Cleveland's 1st pick (aka Kyrie) and B.Davis(expiring contract). Kyrie is the real deal. Watched him up close for 3 months, 14 or so games
(including the exhibitions) and he is a player you can build your team around.
Makes everyone around him better and he can score inside and out. Given that we
have Favours and get Kanter with our 3rd pick, we will be serious contenders in
2 years timeBut, even Cleveland can't be stupid enough to make that
trade, I'm afraid ...
Jimmer was a great college player, but a shoot-first guard with a streaky shot
isnt really what the Jazz need. He'd put butts in seats, though.. at least til
we hit last place.Please, KOC. You're not that desperate, are you?
Please, no Kanter! No Leonard!If Derrick Williams is avaliable at
the 3 spot, there is no way the Jazz can pass him up. That would
allow the Jazz to draft a shooter/PG at 12. Jimmer, if still available would be
a nice pick at this spot.Again. Please no Kanter!
I'm kinda stunned by anybody saying trade big Al. Dude was the third leading
scorer in the league after the Allstar break. He's a CRITICAL component to this
team. Just plain dumb to think otherwise. But I can certainly see taking the
very best prospect available to them even if they don't need to fill the
position, and then use that player for leverage along with CJ. I could see Kemba
Walker, CJ and the 12th pick being packaged for someone pretty major, say, Tyson
Chandler or Marc Gasol, or even Nene. Not entirely sure about Kanter...a
6'10" center? Al's that height, and is a proven scorer and rebounder.
Yeah! Yeah! Now it's time to work that 05' magic, package up a couple players
with those 2 picks & move up to number 1.Even the worst case
scenario right now looks pretty good. Take Kanter at number 3 dump some salary
baggage in the off-season. I mean clean house. Bye bye Memo, bye bye Raja, Bye
Bye AK, Bye bye Francisco Elson, get rid of Fesenko. All these guys are
expendable at this point.Big Al, Favors & Milsap even with Fes
coming off the bench, gives us a solid front court. Adding Kanter isn't
essential. KOC can get pretty creative & he hasn't disappointed me yet. I
wouldn't be suprised if we did take 2 guards.
Feel the excitement! A great opportunity to really make a difference for next
couple of years or so. Can't wait to see this unfold.
Kevin O'Connor often speaks about the DNA of the Jazz and how important it is
that any player worthy of wearing the Jazz uniform have, both on and off the
court, a strong work ethic, moral character, self discipline, etc., etc. At the
top of the list they must be a good TEAM player. The NBA has had its share of
great players that decided their personal success was worth more than the teams
success including Demarcus Cousins, Gilbert Arenas, DeShaun Stevenson, Nate
Robinson, Allen Iverson, Antoine Walker, J.R. Smith, the list goes on. Self
gratification for many becomes becomes paramount to where one bad apple has
destroyed a whole franchise. With the 3rd and 12th pick who will the Jazz
select? Will it be Williams, Irving, or Jimmer? Big men like Thompson, Vesely,
Kanter can have an immediate positive impact. Does anyone ever wonder who comes
with these NBA elite to include family members, friends and their
"posse" who do not fit the DNA of the Jazz or our community? Is it
also time for O'Connor to do a little house cleaning of the current roster? Just
saying. and self gratification
I was really hoping we moved up into the top 2 when it was announced because I
think Williams and Irving are head and shoulders above anybody else. Maybe Kahn will do something stupid again and we can get us a new DWill.
Minnesota already has a Beasley, a player a lot like Williams and I think Irving
is a lock for Cleveland so maybe Williams will fall to the 3rd pick. I don't
understand people who say Derrick Williams can't play the 3. He shot 56% from
the college three point line and he is definitely athletic enough for the 3. Can you imagine 6'9" Hayward at SG, Williams 6'8" at SF, with
Favors and Jefferson? That would be a sweet lineup!If Williams isn't
there I think I'd rather have Knight than Kanter, but that is just me. Good luck
Ok Ute fan let it go start seeing Jimmer for the player he is not the one you
watched destroy your utes over the last several years. Get over it and realize
how good he is. The Jazz or anyone else will regret passing him up.
Mark it down!
The package we got in return for DWill was pretty impressive as was. With this
lottery change, it's now fantastic. For a guy who was planning on leaving the
Jazz anyway, we got the overall number 3 player from last year, the number 3
pick for this year, another future 1st round pick, a former all-star point
guard, plus $3 million cash as icing on the cake. It really makes Kevin O'Connor
look like a genius... especially if he uses this latest piece of luck properly.
This year just barely got over for the Jazz and already next year is
starting to look exciting, based on all the possibilities. Can hardly wait!
Sweet. Michael Jordan was drafted #3 in 84.....you never know!
I'm also entrigued by Kanter. I would consider taking him and trading our #12
pick and Milsap for a premiere shooting guard.
@ouisc:Why are you banging on Jimmer?
many options open up hereKnight & Leonard / HamiltonKanter
& Jimmeror one from left fieldKnight & Noegiura ( and
stay in Europe for 1/2 years to develop)Still at leasr the Jazz
management have options and potential trades if it improves our team
HAHA! I'm so HAPPY! Here is what the Jazz need to do: If Williams is still there
at #3. get him! I think Williams is highly capable of playing SF. If he gets
picked in the top 2 then get Kanter. Also no matter what get Jimmer at 12.If Williams Falls to #3:PG: Harris, Watson, PriceSG:
Hayward, Jimmer, BellSF: Williams, KirilenkoPF: Millsap, FavorsC: Jefferson, Fez, OkurIt would be even better if the Jazz could
trade for the #4 or 6 by trading Okur, Bell, and the #12, maybe work out a deal
to get a sign and trade with miles. I don't know, figure something out. Then
get Kanter at #4 or Knight at #6, depending on what scenario the Jazz go with.
I know it's pretty far fetched, but it would be cool if it worked out.
Jimmer, Jimmer, Jimmer, Jimmer, Jimmer....Jimmer will be a very nice
player in the NBA and I think he will be pretty much unstoppable. Stop downing
Jimmer, Jimmer, Jimmer....
Okay...so, what do you all think about trading our third and twelth pick to
Cleveland for the #1? If that doesn't fly, my choice would be to take Knight at
3 and, if he's still available, Burks at 12 or Fredette. Either one can light it
up from the outside.
Oh good maybe now they won't take weak euro stiffs that so many were projecting
them to take.
please, please, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!! Stay away from the turnover machine they call
Jimmer! Go with Knight or Kemba, and then maybe a Lithuanian with the 12 pick.
Great news on #3!! Please, please, please, KOC.......just make a great pick!
Jazz fans are waiting for something to cheer about!
dleger,Khawi Leonard is a small forward, so no problem!
Ooo... Brandon Knight and Khaw Leonard would be an awesome draft. Yummy...Thanks to those of you who were able to make a post without the name
Jimmer. I'm sure thats a challenge for the rest.
Would drafting two guards be too much (Brandon Knight (PG); Khawi Leonard
The Jazz don't need to be trading away players like Jefferson, Millsap, Harris,
CJ etc.. We need to keep our core guys that we have right now and add to it. A linup of:C: Jefferson / Kanter / OkurPF: Favors /
Okur / MillsapSF: Millsap / Kirilenko / Miles / HaywardSG: Hayward /
Miles / Bell / FredettePG: Harris / Fredette / Watson You can
see the depth. Amazing. Scoring at every position. Starting Jefferson, Favors,
and Millsap gives the Jazz size and great rebounding. I am telling
you, this is a Jazz team the will likely complete for a title within 2 years. I
am so excited.
Williams would play at the 3. Please don't draft a PG! We have a perfectly
good PG already and the league is littered with PG's. Go get yourself the 3
(Williams) or 5 (Kanter) that we don't have. We've already got Harris and can
get a backup PG at 12 if we don't think we can get one on the FA market. Go get
em KOC! It's time to earn that paycheck and work your magic.
now that we have the 3rd pick, we don't need that 12th pick. pack it up with
players and get some deals done in the summer. Williams has got to be the best
fit for us, but sounds like he's going 1 or 2. Although both teams before us are
in desperate need of a pg (well cleveland is in desperate need of everything).
I'd have to say williams will go #1 simply because cleveland has the #1 pick and
the #4. if they took williams at #1 the next 3 best picks are all point guards.
so they'd run the risk of having to draft 2 point guards, i dont see them making
that mistake.so do they package the 12 pick with devin harris and
try to get some traded talent?
I didn't notice Kevin O'Connor's grin. I was too busy jumping up and down!
I just looked at all the point guards again after Irving. I agree with the
previous posters...Brandon Knight should be the 2nd point guard taken. He is a
fierce competitor, too, and I like that a lot. Some say he is an excellent
one-on-one defender, and the Jazz need that plus his ability to score a lot. If
the Jazz take him, let's hope he works hard on improving his point guard skills.
He could play some shooting guard too, with Hayward sliding to SF at times.
Trade the pick with Sacramento for the seventh and a second round plus Garcia
for CJ.Or Washington for the sixth and a second plus Jefferson for McGee.
OK, Jazz, the stars have aligned for you. Now please do something with this
Enes Kanter was being discussed as the possible #1 pick. Cleveland will pick
Irving but maybe Kanter is a possible pick at 3. You get rid of big Al move
Favors to the 5 and put Enes in a the 4. IF we pick Williams were do you play
him? Do you move Millsap? If you pick Knight I can see getting rid of Devis
Harris at the trade deadline. Who ever we pick they will most likely have to
backup someone at 1st which I do not like since it is a #3 pick they need to get
out there and play. Its tough though the video of Enes Kanter in the Nike Hoops
Summit last yr is amazing
Wow! 3rd pick overall, that is really cool. You guys who are unsure
about what the Jazz will do with this pick, check out Enes Kanter. They have
already spent time evaluating him so I am sure they will take him if available.
I would even dare to bet that the Jazz think he is the best player in the draft.
You can find videos on YouTube about him. This kid is the real deal big man. He
will give the Jazz a very legitimate back up Center and possible starter in the
near future. Defense is not his strongest point but he can really score and
rebound very well. He's a polished player who will be able to contribute right
away.12th Pick: I do not see Jimmer remaining on the board at the
12th pick but I might be surprised but I see his draft stock rising a bit. I
would love to see the Jazz move up a couple of spots to ensure they get him.
This would solve some big problems with the Jazz and make them a contender very
soon. I love it, go Jazz.
SUPER, this makes the summer that much more interesting, Kanter or Knight at the
3, no Jimmer at the 12 if they go with Knight, Kanter has a ton of skill, if his
knees are healthy, I'd take him and trade Big Al or Milsap, if there is any
question about his knees, I'd take Knight. If they took Kanter at the 3, I'd
take Jimmer at the 12. That doesn't address the need at the 3 spot but you got
to take best player available.
Brandon Knight is to explosive to pass up.
Knowig KOC & the mindset or the franchise, they'll probably trade the #3
pick for 2nd rounders.The #12 pick will be used on a big slow
foreigner who'll never play a game for the jazz.
Jazz will take the next best point guard available. He played for Calipari at
Kentucky. Done deal.
Irving will be gone before the Jazz select. Derrick Williams will probably be
gone, but maybe not. So, the Jazz pick at #3 will be very interesting.My guess is that Jimmer will be available at #12 and the Jazz will snatch him
That's what I'm talking about Jazz! Sure, it's not the #1 pick, but it's nice
to finally see the Jazz move up instead of down in the draft.This
(likely) means that besides Williams and Irving, the Jazz get whoever they want.
Did anyone else notice KOC trying to hold back a smile when he
found out we moved up into the top three?
Fantastic luck. Now it's up to KOC. I would like to see the Jazz get Irving.
They already have Favors, so if they got Williams, would they play two PF at
once. Could one bulk up enough to play center? It's possible. If KOC can't get
either one, then what? Is there a serious dropoff after the first two? Are the
Jazz keeping Fes, Big Al, Milsap? How about Kirilenko? Should be fun. GO JAZZ!