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Published: Wednesday, May 18 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Halvor,

Sherry said nothing about an elite group; she spoke of those willing to get involved, spend time and energy researching the candidates beyond a 20 second sound bite, yard signs, robo-calls, and mailers.

You can oppose the caucus system all you want; I'm not even sure that I favor it, but at least be honest in your argument and do not distort what is said.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Does it really matter in our one party system? The party elders (the central committee) will decide what is good for us.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Halvor,

In any race, there is only one winner.

Before the caucus, I received many emails from Bob Bennett's campaign asking me to represent him, EVEN if I had to PRETEND to prefer someone else. I responded that I would not vote for Bob Bennett and that I would not vote for anyone delegate in our precinct who preferred Bob Bennett. They continued to solicit my help. Did anyone in the Bob Bennett campaign take the time to read my emails? I doubt it.

YOU can run for delegate. YOU can tell the voters in YOUR precinct which candidate YOU favor. If THEY agree with you, you will be elected. That is how an election works.

100% of the registered Republicans are allowed to participate in the caucus. NO ONE is denied access, as long as they are registered. That means that 100% of those who desire representation are eligible to be represented. That does not mean that 100% of those who desire any particular candidate will prevail.

To claim that your views and your candidate were ignored in a field of many candidates is just not believable, even though you may have desired a different outcome.

KDave
Moab, UT

You can vote for anyone you want, it's called a write-in.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Here's a radical idea, why don't ALL Utahns vote for who they want? Why let the hands of a select few registered on the state run party decide?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Isn't it interesting how the repubs of this state tout competition then continuously advocate the need to keep this caucus system? It seems to me that ridding ourselves of this system would help bring about more competition.

Are repubs afraid of a little competition?

Also, it makes me extremely suspicious that the same folks who lost all credibility in my eyes, who hammered HB477 down our throats, want to maintain this caucus system. Very suspicious indeed.

What are they hiding?
What is their agenda?

As a god-fearing true American who loves freedom, I just have to wonder what the Utah repubs are wanting to do with this? Subject us to more bondage and less choice?

Mr. Herbert, you have an oath to this people and a constitution to uphold. Now lets cut the games and lets get back to business!

Get rid of the caucus system. Let the People decide who their reps are to be.

Jon W.
Murray, UT

How many of those who rail against the caucus system have ever bothered to attend a caucus themselves? Come on people, it's only an hour or two every other year! Those who don't vote, have no right to complain about the government. Those who don't attend and vote in party caucuses have no right to complain about the party's method of choosing the candidates. And as KDave said, if you don't like who's on the ballot, write someone else in.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

It's all about the few controlling the system. If you have a general open election then there can be no control over what will happen. Since the republicans have turned the control of their party to the right-wing, it is the right wing that controls the actions in this state even though it does not represent the general opinion. I guarantee that those in favor of the caucus system are those that are from that very right wing. One thing I do agree with however, and that is that more need to get involved to change it.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"How many of those who rail against the caucus system have ever bothered to attend a caucus themselves?"

Not everyone can go to them. So your point is completely irrelevant.

I have, and all it was, was a shouting match against Obama and Bob Bennett. It was not constructive, disciplined, or mature.

It was offensive, hateful, and about as anti-Democracy as anything.

isrred
Logan, UT

"How many of those who rail against the caucus system have ever bothered to attend a caucus themselves?"

I have been a State and County delegate in the past and have attended my fair share of caucuses and I LOATHE the system. It is merely a way to empower ideologues while disenfranchising large chunks of voters who for whatever reasons--employment, family responsibilities, business trips, religious obligations, bed ridden, etc--cannot attend ONE meeting held at ONE time. A primary allows voters more flexibility in their participation: vote early, by mail, or at any time throughout the day on election day when their schedule allows.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mike Richards doesn't "feel" anything is wrong with having the caucus sytem, because it gives guys like him the unfair advantage.

It's only fair when you're the one winning or makng decisions for everyone else, right Mike?

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I've been a delegate to the state convention numerous times and I've never considered myself to be "elite". In fact far from it. The folks that went to my caucus (many more than in previous years) were nearly 100% opposed to Bennett continuing his tenure in the Senate. I'm sure that if you would have polled my voting district, you would have found about 80% opposed to Bennett, and those are the Republicans.

The Caucus system is true democracy. People can go to the caucus and state their opinion and vote for delegates that reflect those opinions. In years past I have had my caucus attended by teachers with their agenda, union members with their agenda, Mormons, Catholics, unemployed, postal workers, and many others. They have all had a chance to express their opinion and run for delegate. If they get picked, great. If not, oh shucks try again.

There has to be a weeding out process when we have zillions of candidates. The delegate process accomplishes that quite well. Remember, the caucus system gave us Huntsman (umfortunatly). People have a chance to get involved on a grassroots level.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Mr. Hatch knows that unless he can get Utah to do away with the caucus system, that he will have no chance in his next run for Senate.

Just as Bob Bennett's campaign stooped to advising us to basically do whatever it took, including lying about our candidate of choice, so that Bob Bennett could make it to the primary, it looks like Mr. Hatch's supporters are willing to do whatever it takes to get Mr. Hatch's name on the primary ballot. We're going to have letters to the editor every week until after the caucus is held where Mr. Hatch's supporters will claim that the system is not fair.

Guess what, Mr. Hatch has had decades to convince the voters that he has something that we want. Sorry Mr. Hatch, but I don't know any conservative who wants you to run.

Why am I surprised at the liberals and Democrats who think that the Republican caucus is any of their business? They have never hesitated to tell us conservatives how to think, how to vote, and how to respond to their absence of substance. Why would they change now?

VST
Bountiful, UT

Real Maverick said, "Here's a radical idea, why don't ALL Utahns vote for who they want? Why let the hands of a select few registered on the state run party decide?"

Maverick, you already get to vote for who you want, in the GENERAL ELECTION, including write-ins. But you are NOT entitled to vote in the Republican caucus or Primary Election unless you are a registered Republican. That is why it is called a POLITICAL party intended to espouse/support the philosophy for that specific party; not the whole world.

For example, I am not allowed to participate and vote in any proceedings of the Teamsters Union simply because I am not a member of the Teamsters Union or pay dues to that Union. Likewise, if you are not a registered Republican, you do not get to participate and vote in any proceedings including selection of candidates/nominee for the very same reason.

By law [see Utah Code 20A-8-401 (2) (c)], only party members get to choose their final nominee from all party candidates to go forward for consideration by all eligible voters in the General Election.

jsf
Centerville, UT

If an individual can't spend the time to make it to the caucus, for what ever reason, then they probably for the same reason can't make it to the primary election, or general election for the same reasons. So by that argument we could just disband the whole idea of elections.

isrred
Logan, UT

"If an individual can't spend the time to make it to the caucus, for what ever reason, then they probably for the same reason can't make it to the primary election, or general election for the same reasons."

This is absolutely untrue. Being unable to attend ONE meeting on ONE night at ONE specific time does not equate to an election where voters can vote early, by mail, or over the course of an ENTIRE day on election day rather than one 1-2 block of time.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

re: lsrred | 4:04 p.m. May 18, 2011

You wrote: "This is absolutely untrue. Being unable to attend ONE meeting on ONE night at ONE specific time does not equate to an election where voters can vote early, by mail, or over the course of an ENTIRE day on election day rather than one 1-2 block of time."

It is apparent that you have access to a computer. Anyone who has access to a computer has access to every Republican in his/her precinct.

If you have access to every Republican in your precinct, you have the OPPORTUNITY to contact each of those people before the caucus to explain why you cannot attend and to ask them to consider your choice of candidates. You have the same opportunity as every other person in your precinct to make your wishes known.

You have the opportunity to ask them to vote for you as a delegate.

With today's technology, cell phones, iPads, etc., you do not have to be present to participate.

YOU are the person who chooses whether you participate. You have the means to participate, which means that you have no excuse.

amicus
Ann Arbor, MI

Most caucus attendees are not well informed, they are indoctrinated. Furthermore, they try to defend the caucus system by saying that it is "open to anyone willing to participate." Grow up. This is the real world. Not everyone can attend caucus meetings. Some of us are busy producing for ourselves, their families, and the general economy. Quit making whiny excuses and open up the primary process. Caucus attendees are not smarter than anyone else. If anything, they are more gullible and indoctrinated.

In Utah's one-party system, we need open primaries so that Utahns can vote for the Republicans that best represent them.

goatesnotes
Kamas, UT

When a person finally decides to get directly involved, attend the caucus meeting in his/her precinct, and assert a political position or candidate, then the uncertainty about the caucus/nominating convention process disappears. Run for state delegate in your precinct. Go to the caucus meeting after studying the candidates and the issues, then lobby for support among your friends and neighbors. You might actually discover that one little person in a grassroots meeting can make a huge difference. Anyone who says an elite few are pulling the strings are simply misinformed. There is no finer example in America of the true representative republic than the Utah caucus/nominating process. Period. Get involved. Discover where political power resides for yourself. Stop criticizing the process until you understand it and become an active participant. You'll begin to discover the roots of your liberty and freedom and how it was born. No one is disenfranchised in this process. No one. Not even you. It's ironic and beyond funny that in Utah where the traditional turnout to caucus meetings is near pathetic levels of apathy so many who don't participate have so much to say that is negative. Enough already.

Uncle Charles
Where freedom and liberty reign, utah

@goatesnotes: awesome comments and I agree completely! People make excuses to get involved in the process and then whine about it.

@amicus: when you move to Utah then comment on the process we use for our elections. How is it living in the state that everyone is leaving in droves because of Democratic Party rule and demolition with its policies? Wasn't Gov. Granholm just a peach?

@isrred: quit making excuses. 1 night for an hour or so and people can't make it? Sorry, don't buy it. You know the date today. Put it on your calendar and there, your night is already booked.

I was elected delegate without even attending the meeting. A neighbor put my name in and they voted for me. Been a delegate ever since that day 10+ years ago.

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